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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Considering that of the 59 mp's in the British Parliament who represent Scotland only one is a Conservative Mp. Is it likely that if the Scots vote for independence next year, that it will be near on impossible for the Labour Party to win an election and we will effectively become a single party state?
I think this would be a very bad thing to happen and may even have to start voting...
Even if it was the other way around it would be a bad thing as a political party without any realistic chance of being ousted is going to think they have a more or less free rein to do as they wish.
Is it time to consider compulsory voting so that the 30 odd % who currently don't bother to vote do so? |
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Look at it from the other side of Hadrians' Wall. Scots didn't elect labour or tories to run Scotland, but in reserved matters, we have to put up with whatever they do to suit predominantly London and the south east. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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With the current voting system we have at the mo one vote is unlikely to make a difference. For example, if I voted Labour in my constituency, it would be a wasted vote, whereas if I moved 2 miles to the next-door constituency, Labour will never lose. Change it to proportional representation and who knows what will happen.
Also, political parties need a large majority to have free rein. The Tories haven't had things their own way this time round, as there have been enough Labour and Liberal politicians to fight them for some votes. A party with a large majority can do what they want mostly, but that doesn't happen often.
Lastly, I doubt very much that Scotland will vote for independence, but that's a personal opinion reached by talking to Scottish people. I might be wrong.  |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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Lastly, I doubt very much that Scotland will vote for independence, but that's a personal opinion reached by talking to Scottish people. I might be wrong. "
You're right, especially after last Thursday's by election win in Dunfermline. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Look at it from the other side of Hadrians' Wall. Scots didn't elect labour or tories to run Scotland, but in reserved matters, we have to put up with whatever they do to suit predominantly London and the south east."
Living in the South West we also have to put up with what London decides. Our local MP is a Londoner sent down here because most likely she is a yes person and it is a safe seat.
Another practice that in my opinion should be stopped. Local people should represent us in parliament. If you weren't born and raised in a certain area you should have to live in an area for a certain time period before being eligible to run to be the MP representing that area.
41 of the Scottish MP's are Labour most of the remainder are Liberals so Scotland could be a deciding factor in keeping the Conservative party honest (relatively speaking). |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Considering that of the 59 mp's in the British Parliament who represent Scotland only one is a Conservative Mp. Is it likely that if the Scots vote for independence next year, that it will be near on impossible for the Labour Party to win an election and we will effectively become a single party state?
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You'd think even David Cameron would have done that sum by now yet even he believes we're Better Together.
That's because we are. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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41 of the Scottish MP's are Labour most of the remainder are Liberals so Scotland could be a deciding factor in keeping the Conservative party honest (relatively speaking). "
There's a handful of Nats in there too.
Remember them?
They're the ones who voted to bring in Thatcher.
Remember her? |
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personaly i cant see much differance between the parties, tories were in power, they lied and cost of living went up abouve inflation, so we all voted labour in and ditto, no we have a coilition and ditto. to me it doesnt seem to make any differance, or am i missing something |
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Not so sure things are so simple.
People (politicians included AND especially) tend to forget the one thing EVERYTHING is relative to.
Time.
Or, simply put, todays 50 year olds are different to 2003s 50 year olds.
There's a large rump of people who have seen a 3 parties in action now, and really haven't got time for any of them. Certainly chez nous, there are 3 voters who despite having voted previously for various combinations of the big 3 are avowed that none of them will get our vote. With similar sentiments in our circle.
Personally I think the next election will also be no overall majority. With the added spice that no combination of Con/LibDem/Lab will produce the 326 seats needed for a working majority. At which point we might end up with some decent government for a change. |
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"personaly i cant see much differance between the parties, tories were in power, they lied and cost of living went up abouve inflation, so we all voted labour in and ditto, no we have a coilition and ditto. to me it doesnt seem to make any differance, or am i missing something"
As long as you get out and vote ... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"With the current voting system we have at the mo one vote is unlikely to make a difference. For example, if I voted Labour in my constituency, it would be a wasted vote, whereas if I moved 2 miles to the next-door constituency, Labour will never lose. Change it to proportional representation and who knows what will happen.
Also, political parties need a large majority to have free rein. The Tories haven't had things their own way this time round, as there have been enough Labour and Liberal politicians to fight them for some votes. A party with a large majority can do what they want mostly, but that doesn't happen often.
Lastly, I doubt very much that Scotland will vote for independence, but that's a personal opinion reached by talking to Scottish people. I might be wrong. "
Yeah, I feel my one vote is next to useless. We had a chance at sort of proportional representation and rejected it. I've only ever voted once and it was on the ballot day that included the referendum on proportional representation as I wanted to vote for that.
I like the idea of compulsory voting as everyone's vote would then count although I realise a lot of people don't want it to be compulsory. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"personaly i cant see much differance between the parties, tories were in power, they lied and cost of living went up abouve inflation, so we all voted labour in and ditto, no we have a coilition and ditto. to me it doesnt seem to make any differance, or am i missing something"
Na CIS quite frankly it's all as effective as one person pissing on an Australian bushfire  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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41 of the Scottish MP's are Labour most of the remainder are Liberals so Scotland could be a deciding factor in keeping the Conservative party honest (relatively speaking).
There's a handful of Nats in there too.
Remember them?
They're the ones who voted to bring in Thatcher.
Remember her?"
Unfortunately yes I do...
Should have stuck to mister whippy...
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"I like the idea of compulsory voting as everyone's vote would then count although I realise a lot of people don't want it to be compulsory. "
A democracy, by its very definition, prevents compulsory voting. Unfortunately people are disillusioned now, so it will never happen. The first Government to propose it would probably get voted out!  |
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"personaly i cant see much differance between the parties, tories were in power, they lied and cost of living went up abouve inflation, so we all voted labour in and ditto, no we have a coilition and ditto. to me it doesnt seem to make any differance, or am i missing something
As long as you get out and vote ..."
yes i do, i cant complain if i dont, but im begining to wander if there is much point these days |
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"I like the idea of compulsory voting as everyone's vote would then count although I realise a lot of people don't want it to be compulsory. "
Here's our suggestion:
No compulsory voting. However the winning candidate has to secure a majority of all votes possible (current politicians are big fans of first past the post, so this is no problem to them). So if there are 100,000 registered voters, then the winner needs 50,001 votes.
In constituencies where no candidate wins, no MP is returned.
This system would either get people voting, or teach them the value of voting. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Is there a SNP plan for having a totally independent Scottish NHS....?  "
There isn't an SNP plan for anything* except to keep Sterling and your Queen.
Everything else is 'don't worry, it'll be alright on the night'.
And the band played believe it if you like.
* and to shut Faslane. |
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"personaly i cant see much differance between the parties, tories were in power, they lied and cost of living went up abouve inflation, so we all voted labour in and ditto, no we have a coilition and ditto. to me it doesnt seem to make any differance, or am i missing something
As long as you get out and vote ...
yes i do, i cant complain if i dont, but im begining to wander if there is much point these days"
Locally, maybe. I am no fan of the conservatives. However I have voted for our local councillors (conservative) 3 times now. Why ? Because of all candidates fielded, they are the only ones to live here (The labour candidate had a central brum address, *and* was a Londoner). Also, on the occasion we have needed to contact them (usually about bin collections) they have been quick to help. I say this, as our ward is in a strong Labour MPs area. So local sentiment trumps party politics. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"personaly i cant see much differance between the parties, tories were in power, they lied and cost of living went up abouve inflation, so we all voted labour in and ditto, no we have a coilition and ditto. to me it doesnt seem to make any differance, or am i missing something"
They are all very samey aren't they.
Hence I feel the need for local people to represent us, not some imported to a safe seat yes person. Someone who is prepared to actually fight for the people they represent.
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"Is labour promoting sex? Labour......sex.......more labour.....less sex.....less labour....more sex!!! I am in labour now trying to get sex...what does the government recommend?  "
If you are too Liberal and have unprotected sex then you might go into Labour. |
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41 of the Scottish MP's are Labour most of the remainder are Liberals so Scotland could be a deciding factor in keeping the Conservative party honest (relatively speaking).
There's a handful of Nats in there too.
Remember them?
They're the ones who voted to bring in Thatcher.
Remember her?"
I'm no lover of the Scot Nats but how the hell do you work out that they brought in Mrs T?
If you mean they finally voted down Callaghans train wreck of a government, then all they did was to bring the inevitable forward a few months.
As for remembering Mrs T? I do blissfully. I only wish we could get another one like her today with some proper Conservative policies instead of the heir to Blair we have now.
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"personaly i cant see much differance between the parties, tories were in power, they lied and cost of living went up abouve inflation, so we all voted labour in and ditto, no we have a coilition and ditto. to me it doesnt seem to make any differance, or am i missing something"
One of the reasons why the UK has been floundering is that we have little impact or influence on the global economy, we are reactive not proactive so any UK government finds there is little they can do. The UK economy will improve as a result of the global economy improving not through any UK based decisions. |
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"Is labour promoting sex? Labour......sex.......more labour.....less sex.....less labour....more sex!!! I am in labour now trying to get sex...what does the government recommend?
If you are too Liberal and have unprotected sex then you might go into Labour. "
That reminds me of an old joke.
A couple with Mr Labour and Mrs Tory are always arguing about politics. One night after a few drinks they are going at it hammer and tongue, him slagging off Cameron and her Milliband.
Later in the evening they go to bed, back to back, and not speaking.
After a while she is feeling a bit horny and says over her shoulder. "If the Labour member would like to stand, I think he would get in very easily"
To which he replied.
"Too late, he just stood as an independent and lost his deposit" 
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"Is labour promoting sex? Labour......sex.......more labour.....less sex.....less labour....more sex!!! I am in labour now trying to get sex...what does the government recommend?
If you are too Liberal and have unprotected sex then you might go into Labour. "
I never have unprotected sex...so I guess I am not in labour?  |
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"Only responding to your
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I'm no lover of the Scot Nats but how the hell do you work out that they brought in Mrs T?""
Whether the '79 election was fought in May or October the result would have been the same, so on that one the Scot Nats are innocent. Guilty of pretty much everything else though. |
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"Is labour promoting sex? Labour......sex.......more labour.....less sex.....less labour....more sex!!! I am in labour now trying to get sex...what does the government recommend?
If you are too Liberal and have unprotected sex then you might go into Labour.
That reminds me of an old joke.
A couple with Mr Labour and Mrs Tory are always arguing about politics. One night after a few drinks they are going at it hammer and tongue, him slagging off Cameron and her Milliband.
Later in the evening they go to bed, back to back, and not speaking.
After a while she is feeling a bit horny and says over her shoulder. "If the Labour member would like to stand, I think he would get in very easily"
To which he replied.
"Too late, he just stood as an independent and lost his deposit"
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I like the idea of compulsory voting as everyone's vote would then count although I realise a lot of people don't want it to be compulsory.
A democracy, by its very definition, prevents compulsory voting. Unfortunately people are disillusioned now, so it will never happen. The first Government to propose it would probably get voted out! "
Italy, Belgium, Switzerland...
There are quite a few Democracies with compulsory voting.
I think politicians are quite happy with the apathy shown by a third of elligable voters, Labour and Conservative certainly didn't want proportional representation, they were only ever going to lose seats if that had gone through. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I like the idea of compulsory voting as everyone's vote would then count although I realise a lot of people don't want it to be compulsory.
A democracy, by its very definition, prevents compulsory voting. Unfortunately people are disillusioned now, so it will never happen. The first Government to propose it would probably get voted out!
Italy, Belgium, Switzerland...
There are quite a few Democracies with compulsory voting.
I think politicians are quite happy with the apathy shown by a third of elligable voters, Labour and Conservative certainly didn't want proportional representation, they were only ever going to lose seats if that had gone through. "
People should have to vote all this it wont make a difference is rubbish more dont vote than do. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Holding Italy up as an example of a modern working democracy is laughable.
No one said 'working'
At least they get to vote lots. "
You'd think all that practise would help them get it right.
Actually, they do . Very far right. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Holding Italy up as an example of a modern working democracy is laughable.
No one said 'working'
At least they get to vote lots. "
true. I think the last few general elections have had about a 65% turnout which means a third cannot be arsed for whatever reason.
List of countries with compulsory voting, if we had it maybe they could add a choice of 'none of the above'
Austria
Argentina
Australia
Belgium
Bolivia
Brazil
Chile
Costa Rica
Cyprus
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
Egypt
Fiji
France (senate only)
Gabon
Greece
Guatemala
Honduras
Italy
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Mexico
Nauru
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Singapore
Switzerland (Schaffhausen)
Thailand
Turkey
Uruguay
Granted you wouldn't want to go to some of these places, even on holiday. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I am looking forward to another hung government.
In some parts of Essex only about 12-23% of people vote in the Europe elections. 30-48% boundary and general the max I know is about 69%. So that could explain why we end up with a shit country. Most people do not give a crap about it in this country or think what is the point...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hopefully, the thread title is a prophecy in that we've already seen the last one.
An Independent Scotland, although very unlikley, would be interesting.
Here's the good news :
Because of the way constituencies are set up, an independent commission calculated that it is mpoosible for the Tories to win an outright working majority. There are simply too many "red" towns which always will be red.
The recent proposal to reduce constituencies from 650 to 600 was considered by all to be a VERY GOOD IDEA. Except that the Liberals voted against it as they'd be the losers, more likely that the Tories may get in.
Pure self interest from the likes of Clegg.
Proportional representation? Really.
You desire your MP's to be selected purely from the Party lists full of Cameron, Clegg and Millibands sycophants and acolytes?
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By (user no longer on site)
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70% of our laws are now made by Brussels so there's not much point in voting unless it's for UKIP. The EU is Socialist & don't give a flying fuck about the UK which is why this country is in such a mess. We cannot change anything coming out of the EU because it i s not democratic.
We need a strong leader to tell the EU to fuck off & take control of this country once again. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Proportional representation? Really.
You desire your MP's to be selected purely from the Party lists full of Cameron, Clegg and Millibands sycophants and acolytes?
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This already happens with people being moved around into safe seats, so that's one thing proportional representation wouldn't change.
The local MP in my constituency is from Dagenham, why is she running in Plymouth??
Because she is a yes person for the party leadership and it is considered a safe seat for her party. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Proportional representation? Really.
You desire your MP's to be selected purely from the Party lists full of Cameron, Clegg and Millibands sycophants and acolytes?
This already happens with people being moved around into safe seats, so that's one thing proportional representation wouldn't change.
The local MP in my constituency is from Dagenham, why is she running in Plymouth??
Because she is a yes person for the party leadership and it is considered a safe seat for her party. "
Not entirely, in some areas the local party do still manage to resist the prospective parachuted in candidate. That would be lost to full PR. |
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"70% of our laws are now made by Brussels so there's not much point in voting unless it's for UKIP. The EU is Socialist & don't give a flying fuck about the UK which is why this country is in such a mess. We cannot change anything coming out of the EU because it i s not democratic.
We need a strong leader to tell the EU to fuck off & take control of this country once again.
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Won't all the foreign companies disappear with it though? You think Nissan, Honda, Mini etc are going to continue manufacturing in the UK if they cannot export easily to the rest of Europe?
I'm not saying everything about being in Europe is great, I'm not sure leaving it would be great either. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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Proportional representation? Really.
You desire your MP's to be selected purely from the Party lists full of Cameron, Clegg and Millibands sycophants and acolytes?
This already happens with people being moved around into safe seats, so that's one thing proportional representation wouldn't change.
The local MP in my constituency is from Dagenham, why is she running in Plymouth??
Because she is a yes person for the party leadership and it is considered a safe seat for her party.
Not entirely, in some areas the local party do still manage to resist the prospective parachuted in candidate. That would be lost to full PR."
That seems to be what the local party tried to do in Falkirk. It nearly cost several thousand jobs in Grangemouth and a big chunk of Scotland's GDP. |
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"Won't all the foreign companies disappear with it though? You think Nissan, Honda, Mini etc are going to continue manufacturing in the UK if they cannot export easily to the rest of Europe?
I'm not saying everything about being in Europe is great, I'm not sure leaving it would be great either. "
Small price to pay for being able to pass our own laws and being able to trade with the rest of the world. Europe is hardly the economic powerhouse it once was; Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal are even more fucked economically than we are. Plus British industry would be freed from all the EU generated red tape that is costing our economy billions. We could stop economic migration from Europe and save a fortune in benfits and could forge our own free trade deals with America without having to worry about Merkel throwing a hissy fit because a traitor said the Americans hacked her mobile phone. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Proportional representation? Really.
You desire your MP's to be selected purely from the Party lists full of Cameron, Clegg and Millibands sycophants and acolytes?
This already happens with people being moved around into safe seats, so that's one thing proportional representation wouldn't change.
The local MP in my constituency is from Dagenham, why is she running in Plymouth??
Because she is a yes person for the party leadership and it is considered a safe seat for her party.
Not entirely, in some areas the local party do still manage to resist the prospective parachuted in candidate. That would be lost to full PR."
In the marginal seats maybe.
I can remember an MP speaking out against proportional representation as the major parties would lose enough seats to smaller parties to make it difficult for one of the big two struggle to get an outright victory. Which would suit me just fine. The major parties resist change at every step as they know they've got it pretty much sewn up. We're living in a time of boom and bust society, my sister told me about the recession a year or 18 months before it happened, she is a very successful property expert in Hong Kong and knew it was coming.
If the conservatives had been in power we still would have had this down turn like we had the one in the late 80's early 90's when they were firmly entrenched. We can't competed with other countries on a manufacturing front due to our labour costs, if it's easy to make it's cheaper to make it on the other side of the world and ship it here. We have the occasional multinational manufacturing here on the strength of being able to export to the whole of Europe relatively cheaply. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Won't all the foreign companies disappear with it though? You think Nissan, Honda, Mini etc are going to continue manufacturing in the UK if they cannot export easily to the rest of Europe?
I'm not saying everything about being in Europe is great, I'm not sure leaving it would be great either.
Small price to pay for being able to pass our own laws and being able to trade with the rest of the world. Europe is hardly the economic powerhouse it once was; Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal are even more fucked economically than we are. Plus British industry would be freed from all the EU generated red tape that is costing our economy billions. We could stop economic migration from Europe and save a fortune in benfits and could forge our own free trade deals with America without having to worry about Merkel throwing a hissy fit because a traitor said the Americans hacked her mobile phone."
What British Industry??? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The UK sold out years ago and only a revolution will change things
All the mps are in it for themselves and don't want an improved change. Just daylight robbery at the moment"
+1 one on this !... |
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I did like the trial the *conservatives* (!) ran somewhere in the SW, where they ran some sort of public vote on who should stand for them. Something similar to a US primary election. Gives local people a chance to select a candidate whose more in tune with local issues. |
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Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem, UKIP. It doesn't matter really. I suppose Alexander Tyler who was a Scottish history professor at the university of Edinburgh got it right when he said this in 1887 about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship." " Any questions? |
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Brilliant points well made & this is exactly why I hate socialism so much because they just promise anybody who votes Labour more benefits to more people & better jobs. But the real intention is to build the "client state" by the time Gormless Brown had finished trashing economy Labour had put an extra million people on the public payroll which was upto over 5 million people. During the empire days we ran India on less than a thousand staff. Gormless Brown also ensured that over 7 million people were dependent on benefits. Moreover with all this immigration, many coming in needing benefits or working & keeping others on benefits. Then those that leave the UK take their money & skills with them. Then the shithouse Labour politicians call the Tories the "Nast party" for wanting to undo this madness. If the Tories are nasty, then the Labour party is downright fucking evil. |
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"Brilliant points well made & this is exactly why I hate socialism so much because they just promise anybody who votes Labour more benefits to more people & better jobs. But the real intention is to build the "client state" by the time Gormless Brown had finished trashing economy Labour had put an extra million people on the public payroll which was upto over 5 million people. During the empire days we ran India on less than a thousand staff. Gormless Brown also ensured that over 7 million people were dependent on benefits. Moreover with all this immigration, many coming in needing benefits or working & keeping others on benefits. Then those that leave the UK take their money & skills with them. Then the shithouse Labour politicians call the Tories the "Nast party" for wanting to undo this madness. If the Tories are nasty, then the Labour party is downright fucking evil. "
They just pass the buck...
That's how it works, all in it together |
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"Considering that of the 59 mp's in the British Parliament who represent Scotland only one is a Conservative Mp. Is it likely that if the Scots vote for independence next year, that it will be near on impossible for the Labour Party to win an election and we will effectively become a single party state?
I think this would be a very bad thing to happen and may even have to start voting...
Even if it was the other way around it would be a bad thing as a political party without any realistic chance of being ousted is going to think they have a more or less free rein to do as they wish.
Is it time to consider compulsory voting so that the 30 odd % who currently don't bother to vote do so?"
Anyone that does not vote has no right to complain about politicians |
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"Considering that of the 59 mp's in the British Parliament who represent Scotland only one is a Conservative Mp. Is it likely that if the Scots vote for independence next year, that it will be near on impossible for the Labour Party to win an election and we will effectively become a single party state?
I think this would be a very bad thing to happen and may even have to start voting...
Even if it was the other way around it would be a bad thing as a political party without any realistic chance of being ousted is going to think they have a more or less free rein to do as they wish.
Is it time to consider compulsory voting so that the 30 odd % who currently don't bother to vote do so?
Anyone that does not vote has no right to complain about politicians"
Who do you think you are telling me my rights |
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"70% of our laws are now made by Brussels so there's not much point in voting unless it's for UKIP. The EU is Socialist & don't give a flying fuck about the UK which is why this country is in such a mess. We cannot change anything coming out of the EU because it i s not democratic.
We need a strong leader to tell the EU to fuck off & take control of this country once again.
Won't all the foreign companies disappear with it though? You think Nissan, Honda, Mini etc are going to continue manufacturing in the UK if they cannot export easily to the rest of Europe?
I'm not saying everything about being in Europe is great, I'm not sure leaving it would be great either. "
Do you honestly think that if we left the EU that they would want to stop trading with us?. Not a chance. |
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"......Then the shithouse Labour politicians call the Tories the "Nast party" for wanting to undo this madness. If the Tories are nasty, then the Labour party is downright fucking evil. "
It was Theresa May who called the Tories the Nasty Party.
She was right.
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The pro-EU politicians lie & make false claims & scare stories about the consequences of leaving the EU. The reason they lie so much is because of the huge pay & back-handers they get for selling their country down the river. Look at the morally repugnant Kinnocks for example. Always a Euro-sceptic, as soon as he was sacked as leader of the Labour party he got a job promoting the EU & now his whole family are on the gravy train & between them they make millions. So much for "principles" he makes me want to projectile vomit! |
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"......Then the shithouse Labour politicians call the Tories the "Nast party" for wanting to undo this madness. If the Tories are nasty, then the Labour party is downright fucking evil.
It was Theresa May who called the Tories the Nasty Party.
She was right.
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So the Labour Government created 1 million civil servants to over 5 million, 7 million dependent on welfare which is 12 million votes, they don't need so many floating voters to make a majority. Especially when they rigged the constituency boundaries so that Labour only need 35% of the vote whereas the Tories need 43 of the vote & lets look at how the nice Labour Government treated the working class 1997-2010.
Let in hoardes of immigrants which nailed their wages to the floor.
Gave generous benefits to ensure that it will not pay to work & so always dependent on the state.
Made booze so expensive in pubs that most of them shut.
Stole so much money in tax from the best pensions system in the world that it collapsed.
Lots more too numerous to list, but Labour don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.
Then you have people like Andy "death camp" Burnham who surpressed information about how people were dying in hospitals in order to win the election.
One thing the Labour party cannot accuse other people of being is "Nasty" |
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"......Then the shithouse Labour politicians call the Tories the "Nast party" for wanting to undo this madness. If the Tories are nasty, then the Labour party is downright fucking evil.
It was Theresa May who called the Tories the Nasty Party.
She was right.
So the Labour Government created 1 million civil servants to over 5 million, 7 million dependent on welfare which is 12 million votes, they don't need so many floating voters to make a majority. Especially when they rigged the constituency boundaries so that Labour only need 35% of the vote whereas the Tories need 43 of the vote & lets look at how the nice Labour Government treated the working class 1997-2010.
Let in hoardes of immigrants which nailed their wages to the floor.
Gave generous benefits to ensure that it will not pay to work & so always dependent on the state.
Made booze so expensive in pubs that most of them shut.
Stole so much money in tax from the best pensions system in the world that it collapsed.
Lots more too numerous to list, but Labour don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.
Then you have people like Andy "death camp" Burnham who surpressed information about how people were dying in hospitals in order to win the election.
One thing the Labour party cannot accuse other people of being is "Nasty" "
Can't fault that really. What I find amusing* is the number of people that have this almost religious belief that they are "Labour voters", and that "Labour looks after the workers". Does it bollocks ! Remember the current ESA/PIP scheme is a Labour brainchild, as was hiring ATOS. And when the workfare scheme was deemed illegal, Labour couldn't vote fast enough with the coalition to *retrospectively* make it legal, and deny compensation.
*Amusing as in smiling so hard it hurts. |
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"Is there a SNP plan for having a totally independent Scottish NHS....?
There isn't an SNP plan for anything* except to keep Sterling and your Queen.
Everything else is 'don't worry, it'll be alright on the night'.
And the band played believe it if you like.
* and to shut Faslane."
Yet their policies, against every bone in Labours body, were good enough to be adopted by Cara Hilton in the Dunfermline by election? Plagiarism is the best form of flattery...
SLab is so split its fucked. Dunfermline was a classic example of that (Used to vote for them). Neither Labour or SLab have a leader. Lamont is a bumbling fool, just like the train wreck Hilton and MiliBLAND is just a buffoon who is clearly out of his depth. |
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"......Then the shithouse Labour politicians call the Tories the "Nast party" for wanting to undo this madness. If the Tories are nasty, then the Labour party is downright fucking evil.
It was Theresa May who called the Tories the Nasty Party.
She was right.
So the Labour Government created 1 million civil servants to over 5 million, 7 million dependent on welfare which is 12 million votes, they don't need so many floating voters to make a majority. Especially when they rigged the constituency boundaries so that Labour only need 35% of the vote whereas the Tories need 43 of the vote & lets look at how the nice Labour Government treated the working class 1997-2010.
Let in hoardes of immigrants which nailed their wages to the floor.
Gave generous benefits to ensure that it will not pay to work & so always dependent on the state.
Made booze so expensive in pubs that most of them shut.
Stole so much money in tax from the best pensions system in the world that it collapsed.
Lots more too numerous to list, but Labour don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.
Then you have people like Andy "death camp" Burnham who surpressed information about how people were dying in hospitals in order to win the election.
One thing the Labour party cannot accuse other people of being is "Nasty"
Can't fault that really. What I find amusing* is the number of people that have this almost religious belief that they are "Labour voters", and that "Labour looks after the workers". Does it bollocks ! Remember the current ESA/PIP scheme is a Labour brainchild, as was hiring ATOS. And when the workfare scheme was deemed illegal, Labour couldn't vote fast enough with the coalition to *retrospectively* make it legal, and deny compensation.
*Amusing as in smiling so hard it hurts."
explain why if the last elected Government were so bad that the Tories failed to gain a majority..?
is it that not all are as deluded or enlightened as you 'of the right'..
and anyone who mentions ukip as an alternative in 2015 to the 2 main parties we have is in cloud cuckoo land btw.. |
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explain why if the last elected Government were so bad that the Tories failed to gain a majority..?
is it that not all are as deluded or enlightened as you 'of the right'..
and anyone who mentions ukip as an alternative in 2015 to the 2 main parties we have is in cloud cuckoo land btw.."
Where did I say I was "of the right" ? The tories failed to gain a majority because 2010 was not 1997 or 1979. People have changed, issues have changed, society (or the lack thereof) has changed. And the tories failed to persuade enough of the people who mattered that they were the ones with the answers.
Currently there is no single party that represents my views, so wherever my vote goes, it's a case of least-worst. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Is there a SNP plan for having a totally independent Scottish NHS....?
There isn't an SNP plan for anything* except to keep Sterling and your Queen.
Everything else is 'don't worry, it'll be alright on the night'.
And the band played believe it if you like.
* and to shut Faslane.
Yet their policies, against every bone in Labours body, were good enough to be adopted by Cara Hilton in the Dunfermline by election? Plagiarism is the best form of flattery...
SLab is so split its fucked. Dunfermline was a classic example of that (Used to vote for them). Neither Labour or SLab have a leader. Lamont is a bumbling fool, just like the train wreck Hilton and MiliBLAND is just a buffoon who is clearly out of his depth."
That 'train wreck' kicked Shirley-Ann Somerville's arse for her.
It's increasingly obvious that the Separatists are very bad losers. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Good point, UK wise, and the best argument you've made for Independence. See it is in you. You just need to find your inner Indy."
There is no good argument for Separation.
Remember Dunfermline! |
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I remember Labours' (late and last minute) support for:
Council tax freeze,
No school closures
No bridge tolls
Free bus passes
Free prescriptions.
I remember that. So will the electorate of Dunfermline. Lamont already trying to wiggle out of those. Anything to get elected. Hilton's face in Scotland Tonight when asked about her voting to close the schools spoke volumes and contempt. A tell tale, horrific roll of the eyes. Cringe worthy.
There's 5 million good reasons for independence, you're one of them. None for staying together. That's why you never hear a positive case for the Union other than scare stories and piss taking, that are time and time again blown out of the water by the Yes campaign. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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And Hyslop's face on the BBC or Alex Neil's on STV when the stunning Labour victory in Dunfermline was announced?
They could both see everything they've kidded themselves on about for years vanishing up Eck's increasingly corpulent bahookie. |
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They are all the same fat cat after as much cream as they can get. They do not give a rat bum about the people that put them in office. All of them lie almost all the time.
Did you know that is a have a conversation with your MP he cannot tell anyone about with your consent send him a email and he can do what he likes with it!
Best way to save money is to get rid of the lot and stop paying them. Let the Queen run the place she do a much better job.
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"And Hyslop's face on the BBC or Alex Neil's on STV when the stunning Labour victory in Dunfermline was announced?
They could both see everything they've kidded themselves on about for years vanishing up Eck's increasingly corpulent bahookie."
Again, nonsense. I watched the count too. Neil etc were resigned to defeat. Don't think there was any surprise at all. SNP were lucky to take it last time round given the strength of support Labour used to have there. It was a tall order, mid term, what with being in Government an' all (in Scotland) Labour were however running scared, hence the last minute shift to an embarassing leaflet supporting all the SNPs policies. They can't even decide amongst themselves what they do or don't support. Increasingly more and more Labour voters realising that Independence isn't actually about "Eck" and seeing the sense, logic and possibilities that it will offer the people of Scotland. |
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"70% of our laws are now made by Brussels so there's not much point in voting unless it's for UKIP. The EU is Socialist & don't give a flying fuck about the UK which is why this country is in such a mess. We cannot change anything coming out of the EU because it i s not democratic.
We need a strong leader to tell the EU to fuck off & take control of this country once again.
Won't all the foreign companies disappear with it though? You think Nissan, Honda, Mini etc are going to continue manufacturing in the UK if they cannot export easily to the rest of Europe?
I'm not saying everything about being in Europe is great, I'm not sure leaving it would be great either.
Do you honestly think that if we left the EU that they would want to stop trading with us?. Not a chance."
I didn't say they'd want to stop trading with us though did I? But if you think we can leave the EU and still benefit from the open market between EU members you're mistaken, why would the other member states allow that? So it would become more expensive to export to Europe, so manufacturers like foreign car manufacturing companies who produce in this country and supply the whole of Europe from this country would ship their factories back within the EU. Why do you think Japanese cars are manufactured in the EU? Because of import quotas and taxes, making it more economical to produce in the EU rather than Japan and shipping here. They want to be in the EU not the UK. Why sell to a country when you can sell to a continent. |
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"And Hyslop's face on the BBC or Alex Neil's on STV when the stunning Labour victory in Dunfermline was announced?
They could both see everything they've kidded themselves on about for years vanishing up Eck's increasingly corpulent bahookie.
Again, nonsense. I watched the count too. Neil etc were resigned to defeat. .......... "
Just as well. They're gonna have to get used to it. |
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"70% of our laws are now made by Brussels so there's not much point in voting unless it's for UKIP. The EU is Socialist & don't give a flying fuck about the UK which is why this country is in such a mess. We cannot change anything coming out of the EU because it i s not democratic.
We need a strong leader to tell the EU to fuck off & take control of this country once again.
Won't all the foreign companies disappear with it though? You think Nissan, Honda, Mini etc are going to continue manufacturing in the UK if they cannot export easily to the rest of Europe?
I'm not saying everything about being in Europe is great, I'm not sure leaving it would be great either.
Do you honestly think that if we left the EU that they would want to stop trading with us?. Not a chance.
I didn't say they'd want to stop trading with us though did I? But if you think we can leave the EU and still benefit from the open market between EU members you're mistaken, why would the other member states allow that? So it would become more expensive to export to Europe, so manufacturers like foreign car manufacturing companies who produce in this country and supply the whole of Europe from this country would ship their factories back within the EU. Why do you think Japanese cars are manufactured in the EU? Because of import quotas and taxes, making it more economical to produce in the EU rather than Japan and shipping here. They want to be in the EU not the UK. Why sell to a country when you can sell to a continent. "
Other countries trade with the EU with no tariffs applied
The EU are also negotiating with the USA for a trade agreement
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"The EU are also negotiating with the USA for a trade agreement
Not now Merkel is sulking about the yanks listening in to her mobile!"
Yanks heard the Germans like anal
Nothing wrong in checking |
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