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Please note. This is a rant.
WTF is it that makes an ex think that they should monopolise and control access to a child?
Where do they get the insane belief that what is best for mummy is automatically best for the child?
Can't they park their anger for 10 minutes and think just what it is they are doing?
It would appear not.
FFS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE CHILD. PARK YOUR *UCKING EGO YOU LOON
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Bravo and well said! one side always forgets about what is best for the child and instead uses the child to hurt or inconvenience the othef parent. it is just evil if ya ask me. |
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Its a sad fact of life it seams. it happened to me with my sons mum who's now well into his 20s so all long since sorted for me but sadly hes now going threw it with his ex an 2 yr old. so very sad to see history repeated in this way  |
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Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
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"Staying out of this one 
hmmmm gota be a story there somewhere 
I think we all have a horror story to tell I know I have."
Ain't that the truth!! After the horror story I tried my best for my kids to have some contact with their dad.. but he wouldn't accept any way that would be safe for me!
I truly believe it isn't any parents right to have control or access to their kids.
It's the kids that have the right to get to know their parents.. for better or worse, but in a safe environment. |
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I hate when people use kids as weapons. You're only hurting the child. Growing up they need both parents.
I had to grow up without a dad from 10 years old. Mum did what she could, but I needed a father figure to talk about man stuff to. |
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"I hate when people use kids as weapons. You're only hurting the child. Growing up they need both parents.
I had to grow up without a dad from 10 years old. Mum did what she could, but I needed a father figure to talk about man stuff to. "
Absolutely. It's the blindness to the harm they are doing. It's child abuse under another name. |
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"Bravo and well said! one side always forgets about what is best for the child and instead uses the child to hurt or inconvenience the othef parent. it is just evil if ya ask me."
Big difference between evil and selfish.
I have experienced evil (think Fred west does occult, minus murders). Feel relieved now? |
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"Bravo and well said! one side always forgets about what is best for the child and instead uses the child to hurt or inconvenience the othef parent. it is just evil if ya ask me.
Big difference between evil and selfish.
I have experienced evil (think Fred west does occult, minus murders). Feel relieved now? "
It is evil if it is premeditated . |
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i'm lucky in this sense i have to say with my two youngest's dad, i am currently ill and he has picked the kids up from school including the ones from my previous marriage and taken them for the weekend as we dont know if i am going to end up in hospital yet, but he has them every holiday and almost every weekend we are a team when it comes to all of the children which there are four, but my ex husband nope not a hope in hell of him getting anywhere near my eldest two babies, but he still tries to push my buttons almost 10 years on he showed no interest in them when i left him and has only just decided he is a concerned father nahhhhh dont work the guys a wanker through and through and the sooner he burns in hell the better for me |
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"I hate when people use kids as weapons. You're only hurting the child. Growing up they need both parents.
I had to grow up without a dad from 10 years old. Mum did what she could, but I needed a father figure to talk about man stuff to.
Absolutely. It's the blindness to the harm they are doing. It's child abuse under another name. "
No drama then  .
From blueeyes post one cannot tell whether mum was cause of no dad or dad was cause, or if both were at fault. So how can you agree then label it abuse? |
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
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without going into too much detail the first day I walked into court with my ex, she hadbt bothered with the child and made no effort,my barrister told me that expect to lose custody today as it doesn't matter what ur ex is like or done the judges seem to favour the mums,I was heartbroken
but I never stopped fighting for what I believed in and never gave up on what I thought was best my lad, and mine in the end was a success story 
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"I hate when people use kids as weapons. You're only hurting the child. Growing up they need both parents.
I had to grow up without a dad from 10 years old. Mum did what she could, but I needed a father figure to talk about man stuff to.
Absolutely. It's the blindness to the harm they are doing. It's child abuse under another name.
No drama then .
From blueeyes post one cannot tell whether mum was cause of no dad or dad was cause, or if both were at fault. So how can you agree then label it abuse?"
I'll just say that my father had to move out because he was an asshole to my mum. |
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
without going into too much detail the first day I walked into court with my ex, she hadbt bothered with the child and made no effort,my barrister told me that expect to lose custody today as it doesn't matter what ur ex is like or done the judges seem to favour the mums,I was heartbroken
but I never stopped fighting for what I believed in and never gave up on what I thought was best my lad, and mine in the end was a success story
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Didn't you post your victory fairly recently? |
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
without going into too much detail the first day I walked into court with my ex, she hadbt bothered with the child and made no effort,my barrister told me that expect to lose custody today as it doesn't matter what ur ex is like or done the judges seem to favour the mums,I was heartbroken
but I never stopped fighting for what I believed in and never gave up on what I thought was best my lad, and mine in the end was a success story
Didn't you post your victory fairly recently? "
no dont think so as I don't really talk about it, bad times, think it was another guy to be honest  |
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"I hate when people use kids as weapons. You're only hurting the child. Growing up they need both parents.
I had to grow up without a dad from 10 years old. Mum did what she could, but I needed a father figure to talk about man stuff to.
Absolutely. It's the blindness to the harm they are doing. It's child abuse under another name.
No drama then .
From blueeyes post one cannot tell whether mum was cause of no dad or dad was cause, or if both were at fault. So how can you agree then label it abuse?"
It doesn't matter whose "fault" the separation was. The only thing that matters are children. |
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"I hate when people use kids as weapons. You're only hurting the child. Growing up they need both parents.
I had to grow up without a dad from 10 years old. Mum did what she could, but I needed a father figure to talk about man stuff to.
Absolutely. It's the blindness to the harm they are doing. It's child abuse under another name.
No drama then .
From blueeyes post one cannot tell whether mum was cause of no dad or dad was cause, or if both were at fault. So how can you agree then label it abuse?
It doesn't matter whose "fault" the separation was. The only thing that matters are children. "
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
without going into too much detail the first day I walked into court with my ex, she hadbt bothered with the child and made no effort,my barrister told me that expect to lose custody today as it doesn't matter what ur ex is like or done the judges seem to favour the mums,I was heartbroken
but I never stopped fighting for what I believed in and never gave up on what I thought was best my lad, and mine in the end was a success story
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I am extremely pleased to say my two wonderful children have an excellent relationship with their father and things are as good as can be expected with their mum too.
The acrimonious family law system in this country has got a lot to answer for though. |
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"I hate when people use kids as weapons. You're only hurting the child. Growing up they need both parents.
I had to grow up without a dad from 10 years old. Mum did what she could, but I needed a father figure to talk about man stuff to.
Absolutely. It's the blindness to the harm they are doing. It's child abuse under another name.
No drama then .
From blueeyes post one cannot tell whether mum was cause of no dad or dad was cause, or if both were at fault. So how can you agree then label it abuse?
It doesn't matter whose "fault" the separation was. The only thing that matters are children. "
very true, people need to put the bitterness of the break up behind them or atleast not use the children in it, too many do and its the children who lose out, such a shame sometimes |
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
without going into too much detail the first day I walked into court with my ex, she hadbt bothered with the child and made no effort,my barrister told me that expect to lose custody today as it doesn't matter what ur ex is like or done the judges seem to favour the mums,I was heartbroken
but I never stopped fighting for what I believed in and never gave up on what I thought was best my lad, and mine in the end was a success story
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"I hate when people use kids as weapons. You're only hurting the child. Growing up they need both parents.
I had to grow up without a dad from 10 years old. Mum did what she could, but I needed a father figure to talk about man stuff to.
Absolutely. It's the blindness to the harm they are doing. It's child abuse under another name.
No drama then .
From blueeyes post one cannot tell whether mum was cause of no dad or dad was cause, or if both were at fault. So how can you agree then label it abuse?
It doesn't matter whose "fault" the separation was. The only thing that matters are children.
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Children spell love T.I.M.E. And whist perhaps not 100% this what the vast majority of dads want to give. For the good of children everywhere It's about time the system stopped working against them |
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
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Where does PC come in to this? |
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"I hate when people use kids as weapons. You're only hurting the child. Growing up they need both parents.
I had to grow up without a dad from 10 years old. Mum did what she could, but I needed a father figure to talk about man stuff to.
Absolutely. It's the blindness to the harm they are doing. It's child abuse under another name.
No drama then .
From blueeyes post one cannot tell whether mum was cause of no dad or dad was cause, or if both were at fault. So how can you agree then label it abuse?
It doesn't matter whose "fault" the separation was. The only thing that matters are children.
Children spell love T.I.M.E. And whist perhaps not 100% this what the vast majority of dads want to give. For the good of children everywhere It's about time the system stopped working against them "
If you have ever had to deal with the family court system you will have hit the gender bias that is built in. Mum would have to strangle the kids in front of the judge for anything to happen. The CRAPCAS person still wouldn't see it. |
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"Please note. This is a rant.
WTF is it that makes an ex think that they should monopolise and control access to a child?
Where do they get the insane belief that what is best for mummy is automatically best for the child?
Can't they park their anger for 10 minutes and think just what it is they are doing?
It would appear not.
FFS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE CHILD. PARK YOUR *UCKING EGO YOU LOON
thanks
I feel better for that"
Without knowing the full circumstances when I see a post like that, with the acromony and bitterness so transparent towards your ex, I can't help but think that there are 2 sides to every story. |
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"I hate when people use kids as weapons. You're only hurting the child. Growing up they need both parents.
I had to grow up without a dad from 10 years old. Mum did what she could, but I needed a father figure to talk about man stuff to.
Absolutely. It's the blindness to the harm they are doing. It's child abuse under another name.
No drama then .
From blueeyes post one cannot tell whether mum was cause of no dad or dad was cause, or if both were at fault. So how can you agree then label it abuse?
It doesn't matter whose "fault" the separation was. The only thing that matters are children.
Children spell love T.I.M.E. And whist perhaps not 100% this what the vast majority of dads want to give. For the good of children everywhere It's about time the system stopped working against them
If you have ever had to deal with the family court system you will have hit the gender bias that is built in. Mum would have to strangle the kids in front of the judge for anything to happen. The CRAPCAS person still wouldn't see it."
CRAPCAS are the biggest waste of space |
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
Where does PC come in to this?"
Feminism. A few snotty middle-class Guardian reading, radio 4 listening people telling everyone else how they should live their lives. And unfortunately for children they've got the power to do so atm.
Ann Oakley is 30 - 40 years out of date. For the good of children it's about time they dropped their crusade in favour of common sense.
For further reinforcement of this see OP's post on judge CAFCASS (more like KAFKASS). Fortuitously my children's CO wasn't too bad. |
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"Please note. This is a rant.
WTF is it that makes an ex think that they should monopolise and control access to a child?
Where do they get the insane belief that what is best for mummy is automatically best for the child?
Can't they park their anger for 10 minutes and think just what it is they are doing?
It would appear not.
FFS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE CHILD. PARK YOUR *UCKING EGO YOU LOON
thanks
I feel better for that"
Bloody hell 
I had exactly the same thoughts about my ex last week.
Don't know why they do it but grit your teeth, absorb it all and do it for the kids.
In the long run they'll see her for what she is just as mine have.
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"Please note. This is a rant.
WTF is it that makes an ex think that they should monopolise and control access to a child?
Where do they get the insane belief that what is best for mummy is automatically best for the child?
Can't they park their anger for 10 minutes and think just what it is they are doing?
It would appear not.
FFS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE CHILD. PARK YOUR *UCKING EGO YOU LOON
thanks
I feel better for that
Without knowing the full circumstances when I see a post like that, with the acromony and bitterness so transparent towards your ex, I can't help but think that there are 2 sides to every story. "
I am very angry and very bitter because she is using my son to exact revenge. And that is evil. I can take being abused etc but he doesn't deserve it. |
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Couldn't of put it better myself, luckily for me my ex got to the point she had no choice but to let the kids live with me as she got to the stage where she couldn't look after them. I however take the kids to seey ex as often as I can and don't scrimp on the length of visits. Years I fought her for some kind of access drove me insane!!! |
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"I hate when people use kids as weapons. You're only hurting the child. Growing up they need both parents.
I had to grow up without a dad from 10 years old. Mum did what she could, but I needed a father figure to talk about man stuff to.
Absolutely. It's the blindness to the harm they are doing. It's child abuse under another name.
No drama then .
From blueeyes post one cannot tell whether mum was cause of no dad or dad was cause, or if both were at fault. So how can you agree then label it abuse?
It doesn't matter whose "fault" the separation was. The only thing that matters are children.
Children spell love T.I.M.E. And whist perhaps not 100% this what the vast majority of dads want to give. For the good of children everywhere It's about time the system stopped working against them
If you have ever had to deal with the family court system you will have hit the gender bias that is built in. Mum would have to strangle the kids in front of the judge for anything to happen. The CRAPCAS person still wouldn't see it.
CRAPCAS are the biggest waste of space "
When their mum was saying their dad should only see them in a contact centre my CO's first words to me were: 'there's absolutely no reason why any time you spend with you children should be supervised' it went a long way at the time. So I have mixed feeling about CAFCASS.
One of the biggest problems is the PC gone mad system encourages mums to say such things.
More generally and digressing slightly as this is an adult site I fear the moderates may step in on such a children focused thread. |
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"Please note. This is a rant.
WTF is it that makes an ex think that they should monopolise and control access to a child?
Where do they get the insane belief that what is best for mummy is automatically best for the child?
Can't they park their anger for 10 minutes and think just what it is they are doing?
It would appear not.
FFS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE CHILD. PARK YOUR *UCKING EGO YOU LOON
thanks
I feel better for that
Without knowing the full circumstances when I see a post like that, with the acromony and bitterness so transparent towards your ex, I can't help but think that there are 2 sides to every story. "
The only side is the side of the children and it is part of UN human rights that every child is entitled to a full and meaningful relationship with both its parents.
And still some people insist in defending the indefensible!! |
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"this is the lounge forum tho so I always thought anything in general can be discussed?
maybe im wrong??? "
I agree but They can get a bit shirty about mentioning children though for, and I quote: 'obvious reasons'.
And maybe I should stop criticising the moderators? I find it difficult not to contribute to such a thread though because I cannot stand ideally by and let such injustice go unchallenged |
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I went to court 3 times to see my daughter, each court order my ex ignored, she laid guilt trips on my daughter to the point my daughter rang me and said she didn't want to see me anymore, I was devastated but realised it wasn't her but her mums constant interfering, it's been nearly 12 months since I saw my daughter she doesn't even know she has a baby sister, it's a very sad situation |
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"Couldn't of put it better myself, luckily for me my ex got to the point she had no choice but to let the kids live with me as she got to the stage where she couldn't look after them. I however take the kids to seey ex as often as I can and don't scrimp on the length of visits. Years I fought her for some kind of access drove me insane!!! "
Now you're a good man!! It's about the kids rights.. not the parents 3 |
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Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse. |
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"Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse."
wow thats terrible |
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I've noticed if a parent wants nothing to do with the child/ren the custodial parent will rant and rave wanting the absent parent to step up. Conversely, a parent wanting to be a presence in the child/ren life is thwarted st every turn.
My ex husband and I loved our children more than we disliked each other. I only moved four miles away so he could pick our daughter up from school and cook her tea like he always did. Every weekend the girls would stay with him, in fact they could come and go as they pleased.
We never missed an open evening together, college visit or graduation. When our youngest was studying in Derby we travelled down together. When our eldest moved to Portsmouth for work we travelled down together. August bank holiday we spend together with our daughters and son-in-laws by the coast.
This year would have been our 32nd wedding anniversary. We loved each other once, he fathered my four children and we vowed to make sure they never felt anything but love from both of us.
Think we did a pretty good job, and still have love and respect for each other. I daresay my ex has bitten his tongue over the years,I know I have, but it has always been about our kids happiness: as simple as that.
I can't imagine using my kids as a tool to spite their dad. |
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"I've noticed if a parent wants nothing to do with the child/ren the custodial parent will rant and rave wanting the absent parent to step up. Conversely, a parent wanting to be a presence in the child/ren life is thwarted st every turn.
My ex husband and I loved our children more than we disliked each other. I only moved four miles away so he could pick our daughter up from school and cook her tea like he always did. Every weekend the girls would stay with him, in fact they could come and go as they pleased.
We never missed an open evening together, college visit or graduation. When our youngest was studying in Derby we travelled down together. When our eldest moved to Portsmouth for work we travelled down together. August bank holiday we spend together with our daughters and son-in-laws by the coast.
This year would have been our 32nd wedding anniversary. We loved each other once, he fathered my four children and we vowed to make sure they never felt anything but love from both of us.
Think we did a pretty good job, and still have love and respect for each other. I daresay my ex has bitten his tongue over the years,I know I have, but it has always been about our kids happiness: as simple as that.
I can't imagine using my kids as a tool to spite their dad."
Got my two's parent evenings on Tuesday. As usual all four of us will be there. There are definitely times when separated parents should put aside their differences and you, and your ex, seem to have done an excellent job. What a shame it can't always be like this |
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
Where does PC come in to this?"
I wondered too, but as people use pc for every thing... |
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"Please note. This is a rant.
WTF is it that makes an ex think that they should monopolise and control access to a child?
Where do they get the insane belief that what is best for mummy is automatically best for the child?
Can't they park their anger for 10 minutes and think just what it is they are doing?
It would appear not.
FFS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE CHILD. PARK YOUR *UCKING EGO YOU LOON
thanks
I feel better for that"
It's like I wrote this myself...!!
Thank you ....
I now know I'm not not alone & somebody out there feels exactly as I do in knowing the pure frustration, anger,feeling of helplessness and pain that is involved in being in this situation.
I wish you well my friend and remember never allow yourself to sink to their level.....
Be strong
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Think we did a pretty good job, and still have love and respect for each other. I daresay my ex has bitten his tongue over the years,I know I have, but it has always been about our kids happiness: as simple as that.
I can't imagine using my kids as a tool to spite their dad."
"The good (ex) the bad (ex) and the ugly"... I really don't need to complete the trio with the ugly |
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Think we did a pretty good job, and still have love and respect for each other. I daresay my ex has bitten his tongue over the years,I know I have, but it has always been about our kids happiness: as simple as that.
I can't imagine using my kids as a tool to spite their dad.
"The good (ex) the bad (ex) and the ugly"... I really don't need to complete the trio with the ugly "
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
Where does PC come in to this?
I wondered too, but as people use pc for every thing... "
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"I've noticed if a parent wants nothing to do with the child/ren the custodial parent will rant and rave wanting the absent parent to step up. Conversely, a parent wanting to be a presence in the child/ren life is thwarted st every turn.
My ex husband and I loved our children more than we disliked each other. I only moved four miles away so he could pick our daughter up from school and cook her tea like he always did. Every weekend the girls would stay with him, in fact they could come and go as they pleased.
We never missed an open evening together, college visit or graduation. When our youngest was studying in Derby we travelled down together. When our eldest moved to Portsmouth for work we travelled down together. August bank holiday we spend together with our daughters and son-in-laws by the coast.
This year would have been our 32nd wedding anniversary. We loved each other once, he fathered my four children and we vowed to make sure they never felt anything but love from both of us.
Think we did a pretty good job, and still have love and respect for each other. I daresay my ex has bitten his tongue over the years,I know I have, but it has always been about our kids happiness: as simple as that.
I can't imagine using my kids as a tool to spite their dad."
My mum and dad were the same.. good on both of you xxx |
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"Please note. This is a rant.
WTF is it that makes an ex think that they should monopolise and control access to a child?
Where do they get the insane belief that what is best for mummy is automatically best for the child?
Can't they park their anger for 10 minutes and think just what it is they are doing?
It would appear not.
FFS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE CHILD. PARK YOUR *UCKING EGO YOU LOON
thanks
I feel better for that
It's like I wrote this myself...!!
Thank you ....
I now know I'm not not alone & somebody out there feels exactly as I do in knowing the pure frustration, anger,feeling of helplessness and pain that is involved in being in this situation.
I wish you well my friend and remember never allow yourself to sink to their level.....
Be strong
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What I'm glad to see in this post is that it is not Mums against Dads.. its parents for children.. refreshing xx |
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"Please note. This is a rant.
WTF is it that makes an ex think that they should monopolise and control access to a child?
Where do they get the insane belief that what is best for mummy is automatically best for the child?
Can't they park their anger for 10 minutes and think just what it is they are doing?
It would appear not.
FFS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE CHILD. PARK YOUR *UCKING EGO YOU LOON
thanks
I feel better for that
It's like I wrote this myself...!!
Thank you ....
I now know I'm not not alone & somebody out there feels exactly as I do in knowing the pure frustration, anger,feeling of helplessness and pain that is involved in being in this situation.
I wish you well my friend and remember never allow yourself to sink to their level.....
Be strong
What I'm glad to see in this post is that it is not Mums against Dads.. its parents for children.. refreshing xx"
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"Please note. This is a rant.
WTF is it that makes an ex think that they should monopolise and controloraccess to a child?
Where do they get the insane belief that what is best for mummy is automatically best for the child?
Can't they park their anger for 10 minutes and think just what it is they are doing?
It would appear not.
FFS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE CHILD. PARK YOUR *UCKING EGO YOU LOON
thanks
I feel better for that
Without knowing the full circumstances when I see a post like that, with the acromony and bitterness so transparent towards your ex, I can't help but think that there are 2 sides to every story.
The only side is the side of the children and it is part of UN human rights that every child is entitled to a full and meaningful relationship with both its parents.
And still some people insist in defending the indefensible!! "
I just find it telling that the opening rant merely focuses on what a bad person the ex is rather than expressing anger or sadness at a situation that denies you time with your child. |
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
Where does PC come in to this?
I wondered too, but as people use pc for every thing...
Please refer to my previous posts "
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"Please note. This is a rant.
WTF is it that makes an ex think that they should monopolise and controloraccess to a child?
Where do they get the insane belief that what is best for mummy is automatically best for the child?
Can't they park their anger for 10 minutes and think just what it is they are doing?
It would appear not.
FFS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE CHILD. PARK YOUR *UCKING EGO YOU LOON
thanks
I feel better for that
Without knowing the full circumstances when I see a post like that, with the acromony and bitterness so transparent towards your ex, I can't help but think that there are 2 sides to every story.
The only side is the side of the children and it is part of UN human rights that every child is entitled to a full and meaningful relationship with both its parents.
And still some people insist in defending the indefensible!!
I just find it telling that the opening rant merely focuses on what a bad person the ex is rather than expressing anger or sadness at a situation that denies you time with your child. "
sometimes you do rant and say stuff, doesnt mean the op isnt trying his best
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
Where does PC come in to this?
I wondered too, but as people use pc for every thing...
Please refer to my previous posts
Your previous explanation merely shows that you fail to understand the term feminism as well as the term PC"
I fail to see how you know what I do and don't understand. You really do need some explanation, please |
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"Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse."
For the avoidance of doubt a father has NO rights to see his child. He has parental responsibility but NO rights.
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"Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse.
For the avoidance of doubt a father has NO rights to see his child. He has parental responsibility but NO rights.
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PR means jack. Being invited to parents evenings is about it.
You're absolutely correct. Dads are the most discriminated against minority group in society atm. As you so rightly point out they have NO RIGHTS WHATSOEVER! I reiterate the PC gone mad brigade need to loosen their controlling fascistic grip on the situation regarding children post separation. Things will change but as with everything else in this dogma ridden country far too late.
The struggle carries on. |
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"Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse.
For the avoidance of doubt a father has NO rights to see his child. He has parental responsibility but NO rights.
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What are My Rights as a Father?
You have rights as the father of your child if:If the child was born on or after December 1st 2003 and you are named on the Birth Certificate as the child’s birth father
If a Parental Responsibility Agreement is signed
If the birth certificate for the child held no father’s name but was later renewed to show yours
If a Magistrate or Justice of the Peace (JP) at the Family Court has granted you parental responsibility or an Order Of Residency.
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If you are named on the birth certificate as the father of the child, you have a legal right to see your children. |
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"Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse.
For the avoidance of doubt a father has NO rights to see his child. He has parental responsibility but NO rights.
I quote:
What are My Rights as a Father?
You have rights as the father of your child if:If the child was born on or after December 1st 2003 and you are named on the Birth Certificate as the child’s birth father
If a Parental Responsibility Agreement is signed
If the birth certificate for the child held no father’s name but was later renewed to show yours
If a Magistrate or Justice of the Peace (JP) at the Family Court has granted you parental responsibility or an Order Of Residency.
Visiting My Child
If you are named on the birth certificate as the father of the child, you have a legal right to see your children. "
I seen this and thought this will help me, but my barrister told me straight away dont believe in this fathers have rights thing, the courts are still in the dark ages |
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"Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse.
For the avoidance of doubt a father has NO rights to see his child. He has parental responsibility but NO rights.
I quote:
What are My Rights as a Father?
You have rights as the father of your child if:If the child was born on or after December 1st 2003 and you are named on the Birth Certificate as the child’s birth father
If a Parental Responsibility Agreement is signed
If the birth certificate for the child held no father’s name but was later renewed to show yours
If a Magistrate or Justice of the Peace (JP) at the Family Court has granted you parental responsibility or an Order Of Residency.
Visiting My Child
If you are named on the birth certificate as the father of the child, you have a legal right to see your children. "
The fact that such a law (as wishy-washy as it is) should need to passed demonstrates how crazy the whole situation is. It should be the given right of each child that both its parents automatically have EQUAL rights. Unless their is very good reason to show it should be otherwise |
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"Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse.
For the avoidance of doubt a father has NO rights to see his child. He has parental responsibility but NO rights.
I quote:
What are My Rights as a Father?
You have rights as the father of your child if:If the child was born on or after December 1st 2003 and you are named on the Birth Certificate as the child’s birth father
If a Parental Responsibility Agreement is signed
If the birth certificate for the child held no father’s name but was later renewed to show yours
If a Magistrate or Justice of the Peace (JP) at the Family Court has granted you parental responsibility or an Order Of Residency.
Visiting My Child
If you are named on the birth certificate as the father of the child, you have a legal right to see your children.
I seen this and thought this will help me, but my barrister told me straight away dont believe in this fathers have rights thing, the courts are still in the dark ages "
or really should be With judges scared to death to upset the apple cart and thus release the wrath of the PC gone mad brigade and put their comfortable fat retirement pension at risk |
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PC Brigade
(Noun) (Abbr. Political Correctness Brigade) (Chiefly British)
A smug, knee-jerk, ill-defined catch-all word that is overused by closet racists, sexists, homophobes and bigots to describe anyone who dares to challenge their hate speech with the values of respect and common human decency.
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"PC Brigade
(Noun) (Abbr. Political Correctness Brigade) (Chiefly British)
A smug, knee-jerk, ill-defined catch-all word that is overused by closet racists, sexists, homophobes and bigots to describe anyone who dares to challenge their hate speech with the values of respect and common human decency.
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Yes but the PC gone mad brigade are far more authoritarian, fascistic and controlling than the types of power they claim to oppose. Thinking their distorted take on 'how we should all live our lives' can remain unchallenged simply by throwing in the odd knee-jerk reaction phase like 'homophobic, bigot or racist.
Allowing children to be taken away from loving fathers an not being allowed to see them for no reason whatsoever than mum doesn't want them to is a scandal of their doing which we should all be ashamed of |
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
Where does PC come in to this?
I wondered too, but as people use pc for every thing...
Please refer to my previous posts
Your previous explanation merely shows that you fail to understand the term feminism as well as the term PC
I fail to see how you know what I do and don't understand. You really do need some explanation, please "
AS you've used both terms totally out of context I thinl my assumption that you don't understand the terms is fair emough
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
Where does PC come in to this?
I wondered too, but as people use pc for every thing...
Please refer to my previous posts
Your previous explanation merely shows that you fail to understand the term feminism as well as the term PC
I fail to see how you know what I do and don't understand. You really do need some explanation, please
AS you've used both terms totally out of context I thinl my assumption that you don't understand the terms is fair emough
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never try and be clever if you cant even spell it properly haha |
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"PC Brigade
(Noun) (Abbr. Political Correctness Brigade) (Chiefly British)
A smug, knee-jerk, ill-defined catch-all word that is overused by closet racists, sexists, homophobes and bigots to describe anyone who dares to challenge their hate speech with the values of respect and common human decency.
Yes but the PC gone mad brigade are far more authoritarian, fascistic and controlling than the types of power they claim to oppose. Thinking their distorted take on 'how we should all live our lives' can remain unchallenged simply by throwing in the odd knee-jerk reaction phase like 'homophobic, bigot or racist.
Allowing children to be taken away from loving fathers an not being allowed to see them for no reason whatsoever than mum doesn't want them to is a scandal of their doing which we should all be ashamed of "
What exactly is fascistic? |
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"PC Brigade
(Noun) (Abbr. Political Correctness Brigade) (Chiefly British)
A smug, knee-jerk, ill-defined catch-all word that is overused by closet racists, sexists, homophobes and bigots to describe anyone who dares to challenge their hate speech with the values of respect and common human decency.
Yes but the PC gone mad brigade are far more authoritarian, fascistic and controlling than the types of power they claim to oppose. Thinking their distorted take on 'how we should all live our lives' can remain unchallenged simply by throwing in the odd knee-jerk reaction phase like 'homophobic, bigot or racist.
Allowing children to be taken away from loving fathers an not being allowed to see them for no reason whatsoever than mum doesn't want them to is a scandal of their doing which we should all be ashamed of
What exactly is fascistic? "
Sure you should have a dictionary somewhere? What's the point of nip-picking one word out of a clear cut case of PCness creating gross inequality? |
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"PC Brigade
(Noun) (Abbr. Political Correctness Brigade) (Chiefly British)
A smug, knee-jerk, ill-defined catch-all word that is overused by closet racists, sexists, homophobes and bigots to describe anyone who dares to challenge their hate speech with the values of respect and common human decency.
Yes but the PC gone mad brigade are far more authoritarian, fascistic and controlling than the types of power they claim to oppose. Thinking their distorted take on 'how we should all live our lives' can remain unchallenged simply by throwing in the odd knee-jerk reaction phase like 'homophobic, bigot or racist.
Allowing children to be taken away from loving fathers an not being allowed to see them for no reason whatsoever than mum doesn't want them to is a scandal of their doing which we should all be ashamed of
What exactly is fascistic?
Sure you should have a dictionary somewhere? What's the point of nip-picking one word out of a clear cut case of PCness creating gross inequality? "
Plenty of synonyms via a few clicks of your thesaurus: totalitarian, despotic, undemocratic. The latter perhaps being the closest to the way the PC gone mad brigade operates in our country today |
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"not sure a swinging site is best place to discuss parenting skills"
As others have said this is the lounge: the place for general chit-chat. This was in response to me raising the issue that the moderators aren't always too happy about discussing children on a adult site |
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"Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse.
For the avoidance of doubt a father has NO rights to see his child. He has parental responsibility but NO rights.
I quote:
What are My Rights as a Father?
You have rights as the father of your child if:If the child was born on or after December 1st 2003 and you are named on the Birth Certificate as the child’s birth father
If a Parental Responsibility Agreement is signed
If the birth certificate for the child held no father’s name but was later renewed to show yours
If a Magistrate or Justice of the Peace (JP) at the Family Court has granted you parental responsibility or an Order Of Residency.
Visiting My Child
If you are named on the birth certificate as the father of the child, you have a legal right to see your children. "
Simple test. Go to court as a father and demand to see your child. You will be told initially in a polite but legally correct way to f**k off. Try to exercise your right ( singular) and you will be arrested.
Until the feminazi's get it in their thick ignorant heads that not all men are swines we are screwed. |
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Sometimes you have to biet your lip and be the nice person. Children will notice over time that one parents rants are not the truth when they see the other behaving in a accommodating and rational manner. |
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"Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse.
For the avoidance of doubt a father has NO rights to see his child. He has parental responsibility but NO rights.
I quote:
What are My Rights as a Father?
You have rights as the father of your child if:If the child was born on or after December 1st 2003 and you are named on the Birth Certificate as the child’s birth father
If a Parental Responsibility Agreement is signed
If the birth certificate for the child held no father’s name but was later renewed to show yours
If a Magistrate or Justice of the Peace (JP) at the Family Court has granted you parental responsibility or an Order Of Residency.
Visiting My Child
If you are named on the birth certificate as the father of the child, you have a legal right to see your children.
Simple test. Go to court as a father and demand to see your child. You will be told initially in a polite but legally correct way to f**k off. Try to exercise your right ( singular) and you will be arrested.
Until the feminazi's get it in their thick ignorant heads that not all men are swines we are screwed. "
go to court and try and protect your daughter from more REAL abuse. Not some label bandied about by parents on the receiving end of others using the children as pawns!!!! |
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"Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse.
For the avoidance of doubt a father has NO rights to see his child. He has parental responsibility but NO rights.
I quote:
What are My Rights as a Father?
You have rights as the father of your child if:If the child was born on or after December 1st 2003 and you are named on the Birth Certificate as the child’s birth father
If a Parental Responsibility Agreement is signed
If the birth certificate for the child held no father’s name but was later renewed to show yours
If a Magistrate or Justice of the Peace (JP) at the Family Court has granted you parental responsibility or an Order Of Residency.
Visiting My Child
If you are named on the birth certificate as the father of the child, you have a legal right to see your children.
Simple test. Go to court as a father and demand to see your child. You will be told initially in a polite but legally correct way to f**k off. Try to exercise your right ( singular) and you will be arrested.
Until the feminazi's get it in their thick ignorant heads that not all men are swines we are screwed.
go to court and try and protect your daughter from more REAL abuse. Not some label bandied about by parents on the receiving end of others using the children as pawns!!!!"
No offence but you don't really seem to understand the issue being discussed. |
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"Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse.
For the avoidance of doubt a father has NO rights to see his child. He has parental responsibility but NO rights.
I quote:
What are My Rights as a Father?
You have rights as the father of your child if:If the child was born on or after December 1st 2003 and you are named on the Birth Certificate as the child’s birth father
If a Parental Responsibility Agreement is signed
If the birth certificate for the child held no father’s name but was later renewed to show yours
If a Magistrate or Justice of the Peace (JP) at the Family Court has granted you parental responsibility or an Order Of Residency.
Visiting My Child
If you are named on the birth certificate as the father of the child, you have a legal right to see your children.
Simple test. Go to court as a father and demand to see your child. You will be told initially in a polite but legally correct way to f**k off. Try to exercise your right ( singular) and you will be arrested.
Until the feminazi's get it in their thick ignorant heads that not all men are swines we are screwed.
go to court and try and protect your daughter from more REAL abuse. Not some label bandied about by parents on the receiving end of others using the children as pawns!!!!
No offence but you don't really seem to understand the issue being discussed. "
I guess in your world there is only one side to a coin. I'm sharing an actual experience where the legal system has bent over backwards to accommodate a father's rights of access over and above the safety of the child. You believe that every court in the land is biased towards the mother whereas I have evidence you are wrong. |
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This thread has made me realise how lucky I am my ex and I argued and sniped at each other for about three months but then got on with the job of raising our child all be it from different addresses but we did it and even though I say so my self we are doing a great job, the arguments have been replaced by communication and the sniping has been replaced by banter it's a pleasure to pick my daughter up and we ask how things are going in each others lives, that's the way it should be I think |
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"This thread has made me realise how lucky I am my ex and I argued and sniped at each other for about three months but then got on with the job of raising our child all be it from different addresses but we did it and even though I say so my self we are doing a great job, the arguments have been replaced by communication and the sniping has been replaced by banter it's a pleasure to pick my daughter up and we ask how things are going in each others lives, that's the way it should be I think"
Initial acrimony is pretty standard but time and the maturity of two adults singing from the same hymn sheet for their children's sake should be how we evolve from a broken relationship.
Pain, fear, jealousy, spite and other emotions will prevent this. |
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Wanted to reply private, get a court order form, fill it out and send it off. You'll go to court about 6-10 weeks later and it will then be in place. It is then controlled by what you decided in court, between the both of you. The judge will always favour the person who is being messed around as its in the best interests of the child |
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"Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse.
For the avoidance of doubt a father has NO rights to see his child. He has parental responsibility but NO rights.
I quote:
What are My Rights as a Father?
You have rights as the father of your child if:If the child was born on or after December 1st 2003 and you are named on the Birth Certificate as the child’s birth father
If a Parental Responsibility Agreement is signed
If the birth certificate for the child held no father’s name but was later renewed to show yours
If a Magistrate or Justice of the Peace (JP) at the Family Court has granted you parental responsibility or an Order Of Residency.
Visiting My Child
If you are named on the birth certificate as the father of the child, you have a legal right to see your children.
Simple test. Go to court as a father and demand to see your child. You will be told initially in a polite but legally correct way to f**k off. Try to exercise your right ( singular) and you will be arrested.
Until the feminazi's get it in their thick ignorant heads that not all men are swines we are screwed.
go to court and try and protect your daughter from more REAL abuse. Not some label bandied about by parents on the receiving end of others using the children as pawns!!!!
No offence but you don't really seem to understand the issue being discussed.
I guess in your world there is only one side to a coin. I'm sharing an actual experience where the legal system has bent over backwards to accommodate a father's rights of access over and above the safety of the child. You believe that every court in the land is biased towards the mother whereas I have evidence you are wrong."
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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" ........ The judge will always favour the person who is being messed around as its in the best interests of the child"
The judge will always have the best interest of the child on mind when making an order.
It's almost inevitable one parent or the other wont see things in that light. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"not sure a swinging site is best place to discuss parenting skills
As others have said this is the lounge: the place for general chit-chat. This was in response to me raising the issue that the moderators aren't always too happy about discussing children on a adult site "
If this was the case your thread you started about your child would have been taken off.
Stop causing division where there isn't any and let people discuss what you did.
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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"I hate when people use kids as weapons. You're only hurting the child. Growing up they need both parents.
I had to grow up without a dad from 10 years old. Mum did what she could, but I needed a father figure to talk about man stuff to. "
I wrote this on a previous thread and got attacked for being a believer of the Jeremy Kyle show.Good luck with this one. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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Look at the stats. Family courts are anti father. It really is that simple. "
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
Where does PC come in to this?
Feminism. A few snotty middle-class Guardian reading, radio 4 listening people telling everyone else how they should live their lives. And unfortunately for children they've got the power to do so atm.
Ann Oakley is 30 - 40 years out of date. For the good of children it's about time they dropped their crusade in favour of common sense.
For further reinforcement of this see OP's post on judge CAFCASS (more like KAFKASS). Fortuitously my children's CO wasn't too bad. "
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Look at the stats. Family courts are anti father. It really is that simple.
Moving from the fact that most decisions seem to place the main responsibility for the child on the mother to "family courts are anti father" is a big leap."
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"Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse.
For the avoidance of doubt a father has NO rights to see his child. He has parental responsibility but NO rights.
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What are My Rights as a Father?
You have rights as the father of your child if:If the child was born on or after December 1st 2003 and you are named on the Birth Certificate as the child’s birth father
If a Parental Responsibility Agreement is signed
If the birth certificate for the child held no father’s name but was later renewed to show yours
If a Magistrate or Justice of the Peace (JP) at the Family Court has granted you parental responsibility or an Order Of Residency.
Visiting My Child
If you are named on the birth certificate as the father of the child, you have a legal right to see your children.
Simple test. Go to court as a father and demand to see your child. You will be told initially in a polite but legally correct way to f**k off. Try to exercise your right ( singular) and you will be arrested.
Until the feminazi's get it in their thick ignorant heads that not all men are swines we are screwed.
go to court and try and protect your daughter from more REAL abuse. Not some label bandied about by parents on the receiving end of others using the children as pawns!!!!
No offence but you don't really seem to understand the issue being discussed. "
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
Where does PC come in to this?
I wondered too, but as people use pc for every thing...
Please refer to my previous posts
Your previous explanation merely shows that you fail to understand the term feminism as well as the term PC"
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"Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse.
For the avoidance of doubt a father has NO rights to see his child. He has parental responsibility but NO rights.
I quote:
What are My Rights as a Father?
You have rights as the father of your child if:If the child was born on or after December 1st 2003 and you are named on the Birth Certificate as the child’s birth father
If a Parental Responsibility Agreement is signed
If the birth certificate for the child held no father’s name but was later renewed to show yours
If a Magistrate or Justice of the Peace (JP) at the Family Court has granted you parental responsibility or an Order Of Residency.
Visiting My Child
If you are named on the birth certificate as the father of the child, you have a legal right to see your children.
Simple test. Go to court as a father and demand to see your child. You will be told initially in a polite but legally correct way to f**k off. Try to exercise your right ( singular) and you will be arrested.
Until the feminazi's get it in their thick ignorant heads that not all men are swines we are screwed.
go to court and try and protect your daughter from more REAL abuse. Not some label bandied about by parents on the receiving end of others using the children as pawns!!!!
No offence but you don't really seem to understand the issue being discussed.
I guess in your world there is only one side to a coin. I'm sharing an actual experience where the legal system has bent over backwards to accommodate a father's rights of access over and above the safety of the child. You believe that every court in the land is biased towards the mother whereas I have evidence you are wrong.
Look at the stats. Family courts are anti father. It really is that simple. "
To them The worst mother is better than the best father.
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"Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse.
For the avoidance of doubt a father has NO rights to see his child. He has parental responsibility but NO rights.
I quote:
What are My Rights as a Father?
You have rights as the father of your child if:If the child was born on or after December 1st 2003 and you are named on the Birth Certificate as the child’s birth father
If a Parental Responsibility Agreement is signed
If the birth certificate for the child held no father’s name but was later renewed to show yours
If a Magistrate or Justice of the Peace (JP) at the Family Court has granted you parental responsibility or an Order Of Residency.
Visiting My Child
If you are named on the birth certificate as the father of the child, you have a legal right to see your children.
Simple test. Go to court as a father and demand to see your child. You will be told initially in a polite but legally correct way to f**k off. Try to exercise your right ( singular) and you will be arrested.
Until the feminazi's get it in their thick ignorant heads that not all men are swines we are screwed.
go to court and try and protect your daughter from more REAL abuse. Not some label bandied about by parents on the receiving end of others using the children as pawns!!!!
No offence but you don't really seem to understand the issue being discussed.
I guess in your world there is only one side to a coin. I'm sharing an actual experience where the legal system has bent over backwards to accommodate a father's rights of access over and above the safety of the child. You believe that every court in the land is biased towards the mother whereas I have evidence you are wrong.
Look at the stats. Family courts are anti father. It really is that simple. "
There's really no throng of women interested in your parenting skills , your masculinity or fighting you for any feeble reason.
We are not thick simply because we are politically active.
I do know that generally insults come from those who wish to blame shift and abrogate any responsibility for the situation they find themselves in.
I don't want you to stop insulting your partner , the courts or feminists.
I feel you wouldn't handle the vision when the veil came down.
Mind you ...... removing the veil could lead to something far more productive for you in getting your children back.
The hatred you ooze really is sapping your strength. You just don't see it yet. |
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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago
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"Please note. This is a rant.
WTF is it that makes an ex think that they should monopolise and control access to a child?
Where do they get the insane belief that what is best for mummy is automatically best for the child?
Can't they park their anger for 10 minutes and think just what it is they are doing?
It would appear not.
FFS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE CHILD. PARK YOUR *UCKING EGO YOU LOON
thanks
I feel better for that"
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"Please note. This is a rant.
WTF is it that makes an ex think that they should monopolise and control access to a child?
Where do they get the insane belief that what is best for mummy is automatically best for the child?
Can't they park their anger for 10 minutes and think just what it is they are doing?
It would appear not.
FFS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE CHILD. PARK YOUR *UCKING EGO YOU LOON
thanks
I feel better for that"
I do sympathise with you however my ex committed the ultimate in usinv the child as a pawn by moving 5000 miles away after she said she was going away for a break.........
Unfortunatey not all can behave like adults and keep tight lipped for the better of the child, not all men lack reasoning skills  |
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I feel for you on this, I had an 18 month court battle with my ex for access. I had already given her the house, all I wanted was what was best for my son. The family court judge called her a liar, gave me access rights.... the next day she (the ex) went to australia for 3 weeks leaving my son with me - this was after 18 months of 2 weekly 30 minute visits.
After a few years I now have 50/50 custody and a fantastic relationship with my son. The problem for my ex wife is that my son has a memory of what she did, I am sure this will cause her problems when he reaches his teenage years.
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Until the feminazi's get it in their thick ignorant heads that not all men are swines we are screwed.
go to court and try and protect your daughter from more REAL abuse. Not some label bandied about by parents on the receiving end of others using the children as pawns!!!!
No offence but you don't really seem to understand the issue being discussed.
I guess in your world there is only one side to a coin. I'm sharing an actual experience where the legal system has bent over backwards to accommodate a father's rights of access over and above the safety of the child. You believe that every court in the land is biased towards the mother whereas I have evidence you are wrong.
Look at the stats. Family courts are anti father. It really is that simple.
To them The worst mother is better than the best father.
Hold on in there your children need you. You are and always will be their dad !!"
It is so much easier for people to blame the system than actually look at their own behaviour contributing to the battle between themselves and their exes.
Of course I don't expect those blinkered to accept a little common sense even if I stress the word contributing. |
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Been there done that and got the t-shirt
Went through it all many years ago with my ex. Thankfully my daughter saw him for what he really was and how he still tried to use her as a weapon up till a couple of years ago. Hence why she no longer wants or needs him in her life now. Chin up though |
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Until the feminazi's get it in their thick ignorant heads that not all men are swines we are screwed.
go to court and try and protect your daughter from more REAL abuse. Not some label bandied about by parents on the receiving end of others using the children as pawns!!!!
No offence but you don't really seem to understand the issue being discussed.
I guess in your world there is only one side to a coin. I'm sharing an actual experience where the legal system has bent over backwards to accommodate a father's rights of access over and above the safety of the child. You believe that every court in the land is biased towards the mother whereas I have evidence you are wrong.
Look at the stats. Family courts are anti father. It really is that simple.
To them The worst mother is better than the best father.
Hold on in there your children need you. You are and always will be their dad !!
It is so much easier for people to blame the system than actually look at their own behaviour contributing to the battle between themselves and their exes.
Of course I don't expect those blinkered to accept a little common sense even if I stress the word contributing. "
Family Court was the best thing that happened for me, and I am the Father... the court was ONLY interested in the best outcome for my son.
So the courts are not biased towards the mother in my experience. |
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
Where does PC come in to this?
I wondered too, but as people use pc for every thing...
Please refer to my previous posts
Your previous explanation merely shows that you fail to understand the term feminism as well as the term PC "
And five thumbs up make all the difference?
Please, please some explaination! I fully understand feminism (s few snooty women telling trying to everyone how to live) and PC. Read some Nitzschia and Foucault. I like many others blaim the Frankfurt school |
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"Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse.
For the avoidance of doubt a father has NO rights to see his child. He has parental responsibility but NO rights.
I quote:
What are My Rights as a Father?
You have rights as the father of your child if:If the child was born on or after December 1st 2003 and you are named on the Birth Certificate as the child’s birth father
If a Parental Responsibility Agreement is signed
If the birth certificate for the child held no father’s name but was later renewed to show yours
If a Magistrate or Justice of the Peace (JP) at the Family Court has granted you parental responsibility or an Order Of Residency.
Visiting My Child
If you are named on the birth certificate as the father of the child, you have a legal right to see your children.
Simple test. Go to court as a father and demand to see your child. You will be told initially in a polite but legally correct way to f**k off. Try to exercise your right ( singular) and you will be arrested.
Until the feminazi's get it in their thick ignorant heads that not all men are swines we are screwed.
go to court and try and protect your daughter from more REAL abuse. Not some label bandied about by parents on the receiving end of others using the children as pawns!!!!
No offence but you don't really seem to understand the issue being discussed.
I guess in your world there is only one side to a coin. I'm sharing an actual experience where the legal system has bent over backwards to accommodate a father's rights of access over and above the safety of the child. You believe that every court in the land is biased towards the mother whereas I have evidence you are wrong.
Look at the stats. Family courts are anti father. It really is that simple.
There's really no throng of women interested in your parenting skills , your masculinity or fighting you for any feeble reason.
We are not thick simply because we are politically active.
I do know that generally insults come from those who wish to blame shift and abrogate any responsibility for the situation they find themselves in.
I don't want you to stop insulting your partner , the courts or feminists.
I feel you wouldn't handle the vision when the veil came down.
Mind you ...... removing the veil could lead to something far more productive for you in getting your children back.
The hatred you ooze really is sapping your strength. You just don't see it yet. "
I've just realised I've missed you posting granny. So eloquently put. |
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By *D40Couple
over a year ago
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I have to say after my partner/husband of 22 years fecked off with my best mate i was so very very angry and hurt that at times i did use the children because i guess it was the only way i could try and make him feel some of the pain that i felt.
I am so not PROUD of that fact. It took 5 years to get past my anger and actually forgive him. During all of this time he was a fairly decent parent (as long as it didn't take him actually having to do anything physical with them).
I have to say in fairness, at times he would ring and say he didn't have money for their upkeep (as a single working mom that pissed me off big time, because he was spoiling his newly adopted family) so i hurt in the only way i could.
Anyway, it was wrong. I hope that your ex sees the light the same way i did before too long.
Have to say now, in the _iew of giving you some hope, we actually decided 3 months ago to have custody of one child each. It got him out of a homeless hostel and gave him chance to bond with our younger (14yr old) child. The kids love the new arrangements and don't fight like they used too. They actually do things together now.
Hope you get some joy soon mate.
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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my niece and her ex have been battling for the last 4 years...
he is a prick with his behaviours
and I love her dearly, but jesus christ she is a twat at times over it.
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
Where does PC come in to this?
Feminism. A few snotty middle-class Guardian reading, radio 4 listening people telling everyone else how they should live their lives. And unfortunately for children they've got the power to do so atm.
Ann Oakley is 30 - 40 years out of date. For the good of children it's about time they dropped their crusade in favour of common sense.
For further reinforcement of this see OP's post on judge CAFCASS (more like KAFKASS). Fortuitously my children's CO wasn't too bad.
Not that you have a biased, bigotted _iewpoint at all."
Everything I have posted on this thread is for the benefit of children who are being denied a relationship with their father. Well done PCness. History will be the judge. Not a bunch of cyber bullies |
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"Barrister to mother of abused 3 year old says to her " mr x could be serving a life sentence for murder, he'd still have rights to see child".
Barrister says to mother of said child - "what right have you to stop mr x seeing child he abused?"
Be careful on what you label abuse.
For the avoidance of doubt a father has NO rights to see his child. He has parental responsibility but NO rights.
I quote:
What are My Rights as a Father?
You have rights as the father of your child if:If the child was born on or after December 1st 2003 and you are named on the Birth Certificate as the child’s birth father
If a Parental Responsibility Agreement is signed
If the birth certificate for the child held no father’s name but was later renewed to show yours
If a Magistrate or Justice of the Peace (JP) at the Family Court has granted you parental responsibility or an Order Of Residency.
Visiting My Child
If you are named on the birth certificate as the father of the child, you have a legal right to see your children.
The fact that such a law (as wishy-washy as it is) should need to passed demonstrates how crazy the whole situation is. It should be the given right of each child that both its parents automatically have EQUAL rights. Unless their is very good reason to show it should be otherwise "
But the issue is one person's 'good reason' is often seen by the others as a vengeful vendetta. I don't know anything about the individual stories here and even if any person went into detail there would still only be one, biased, side of the story presented. Whilst I agree a child should be able to see both their parents the child's safety is equally, if not more, important. I hate seeing children used as a weapon in petty rows, but at the same time I wouldn't want a child put at risk just because of parental rights...if a parent wants to claim parental responsibility then they should be responsible!! (Note...That last bit is a little more personal and not linked to the OP or anyone else before the lynch mob take action!) |
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i would never stop my ex seeing my wee girl. but off late he has only seen her 2 or 3 times in the past 4 months. lets her down last minuite. and its me has to deal wit the tears. |
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" ........ The judge will always favour the person who is being messed around as its in the best interests of the child
The judge will always have the best interest of the child on mind when making an order.
It's almost inevitable one parent or the other wont see things in that light."
The judge will always have his own interests in mind. It's called being human. And won't put his fat pension on the line by upsetting the PC gone mad brigade
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
Where does PC come in to this?
Feminism. A few snotty middle-class Guardian reading, radio 4 listening people telling everyone else how they should live their lives. And unfortunately for children they've got the power to do so atm.
Ann Oakley is 30 - 40 years out of date. For the good of children it's about time they dropped their crusade in favour of common sense.
For further reinforcement of this see OP's post on judge CAFCASS (more like KAFKASS). Fortuitously my children's CO wasn't too bad.
Not that you have a biased, bigotted _iewpoint at all.
Everything I have posted on this thread is for the benefit of children who are being denied a relationship with their father. Well done PCness. History will be the judge. Not a bunch of cyber bullies "
Cyber bullies ?
Where ? |
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"i would never stop my ex seeing my wee girl. but off late he has only seen her 2 or 3 times in the past 4 months. lets her down last minuite. and its me has to deal wit the tears. "
Know nothing of your circumstances (see I admit it) but the system doesn't make it easy for dads post separation. And great you're so good re. Contact. Your daughter will always appreciate you for it |
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"Way people have been conditioned at this point in time I'm afraid. On the radio only yesterday a new government campaign (wow!) to involve young dads more coz atm they're invisible to the system.
Things will swing more in favour of dads eventually coz ultimately that's what's best for the child. PC gone mad needs to have it's iron grip loosened somewhat first though.
Where does PC come in to this?
Feminism. A few snotty middle-class Guardian reading, radio 4 listening people telling everyone else how they should live their lives. And unfortunately for children they've got the power to do so atm.
Ann Oakley is 30 - 40 years out of date. For the good of children it's about time they dropped their crusade in favour of common sense.
For further reinforcement of this see OP's post on judge CAFCASS (more like KAFKASS). Fortuitously my children's CO wasn't too bad.
Not that you have a biased, bigotted _iewpoint at all.
Everything I have posted on this thread is for the benefit of children who are being denied a relationship with their father. Well done PCness. History will be the judge. Not a bunch of cyber bullies
Cyber bullies ?
Where ?"
Right here. Right now |
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There have been some lovely posts here: men using the system and winning because the courts have found it to be in the best interest of the children. A lady who admitted her short-comings and learning from it (reflection is a skill that can be learned). Many members experience good communication/cooperation with their exes irrespective of their past problems.
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An opinion is like an asshole, we all have them, they are all different and some are nicer than others.... some really stick bad!!
But these forums are the place for opinions, you don't HAVE to post, or do you have to read.
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"http://father4justice.wordpress.com/
If you want to know what the family courts are like towards dads...follow the link above. Matt O'connor is a freedom fighter
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Talking of bullies...this comment in his post really doesn't help his cause in my eyes:
'If you visit hell on our homes, don’t be surprised if angry parents visit yours.'
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"http://father4justice.wordpress.com/
If you want to know what the family courts are like towards dads...follow the link above. Matt O'connor is a freedom fighter
Talking of bullies...this comment in his post really doesn't help his cause in my eyes:
'If you visit hell on our homes, don’t be surprised if angry parents visit yours.'
That's a thinly veiled threat...not sure how that is mean to help his cause "
Its not thinly veiled. It's clear and direct. F4J will stage protests out side judges houses. Playing by the rules doesn't work. Direct action does. |
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"http://father4justice.wordpress.com/
If you want to know what the family courts are like towards dads...follow the link above. Matt O'connor is a freedom fighter
Talking of bullies...this comment in his post really doesn't help his cause in my eyes:
'If you visit hell on our homes, don’t be surprised if angry parents visit yours.'
That's a thinly veiled threat...not sure how that is mean to help his cause
Its not thinly veiled. It's clear and direct. F4J will stage protests out side judges houses. Playing by the rules doesn't work. Direct action does."
And how does that help prove anything? A number of women get their way in the courts by claiming their ex is violent/aggressive...whether he is or he isn't. Taking a protest to a judges home is an act of aggression and so helps to prove these women right. Not only that...what about the children of said judges? Or does their safety and welfare not come into it? Two wrongs do not make a right and trying to bully judges into doing what F4J want will only hinder the cause further |
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Its not thinly veiled. It's clear and direct. F4J will stage protests out side judges houses. Playing by the rules doesn't work. Direct action does."
Sitting outside judge's homes isn't the brightest idea.
Other judges, the ones you might well be appearing before, don't like it. |
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"http://father4justice.wordpress.com/
If you want to know what the family courts are like towards dads...follow the link above. Matt O'connor is a freedom fighter
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Bless his little white cotton socks .
Oh that's another thread |
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If you want to know what the family courts are like towards dads...follow the link above. Matt O'connor is a freedom fighter
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is that his definition of himself? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Bravo and well said! one side always forgets about what is best for the child and instead uses the child to hurt or inconvenience the othef parent. it is just evil if ya ask me."
sorry, sometimes its both sides that cant remember its whats best for the kids that should be remembered, not just one or the other parent.
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If you want to know what the family courts are like towards dads...follow the link above. Matt O'connor is a freedom fighter
is that his definition of himself?"
Its actually what 1000's of dads think about him |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Its not thinly veiled. It's clear and direct. F4J will stage protests out side judges houses. Playing by the rules doesn't work. Direct action does.
Sitting outside judge's homes isn't the brightest idea.
Other judges, the ones you might well be appearing before, don't like it."
Well, I for one would rather Terrorists protested in this way rather than for killing people...and IMO Religion is complete fiction... children needing parents is all too real!!
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Its not thinly veiled. It's clear and direct. F4J will stage protests out side judges houses. Playing by the rules doesn't work. Direct action does.
Sitting outside judge's homes isn't the brightest idea.
Other judges, the ones you might well be appearing before, don't like it.
Well, I for one would rather Terrorists protested in this way rather than for killing people...and IMO Religion is complete fiction... children needing parents is all too real!!
F4J - don't condemn them until you have walked in their shoes!!"
Only a father or mother denied access can have any idea of the pain involved. I am lucky. I have access but when you find out that he hasn't been getting anti bios as the dr prescribed or that rather than him see his father some one has to drive 130 miles to look after him. Well u can understand how pissed off I get |
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Anyone in need is far better off with Families Need Fathers than F4J. Far far better.
Have a look at their website, including free legal resources, it's very good. Be warned though, don't expect the Courts to actually apply the law consistently.
There may be some hope, as somewhere in there, there's news of a very recently allowed Appeal, where for the first , the Judge actually states that the shite judicial process ( although more eloquently )is in breach of the Children and Father's Article 8 Rights.
Bear in mind, in theory, it is the CHILDS Right to contact with both parents,
All that is required is that the Govt passes legislation stating that Childs contact with both parents is mandatory. Even so with grandparents.
Such a bill should also include a clause to the effect that "intentionally" denying contact, harming the child is a criminal offence. That should sort a few evil women out.
How hard can it be, yet the Govt(s) would rather legislate againts petty offensiveness on such as Facefook or Twatter.
Finally, bear in mind, whilst the losers are always the children, the winners are always the "professionals" who thrive on the choas and delays. THAT is why matters won't change in any given hurry.
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Anyone in need is far better off with Families Need Fathers than F4J. Far far better.
Have a look at their website, including free legal resources, it's very good. Be warned though, don't expect the Courts to actually apply the law consistently.
There may be some hope, as somewhere in there, there's news of a very recently allowed Appeal, where for the first , the Judge actually states that the shite judicial process ( although more eloquently )is in breach of the Children and Father's Article 8 Rights.
Bear in mind, in theory, it is the CHILDS Right to contact with both parents,
All that is required is that the Govt passes legislation stating that Childs contact with both parents is mandatory. Even so with grandparents.
Such a bill should also include a clause to the effect that "intentionally" denying contact, harming the child is a criminal offence. That should sort a few evil women out.
How hard can it be, yet the Govt(s) would rather legislate againts petty offensiveness on such as Facefook or Twatter.
Finally, bear in mind, whilst the losers are always the children, the winners are always the "professionals" who thrive on the choas and delays. THAT is why matters won't change in any given hurry.
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Some brilliant points ( doffs cap) |
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