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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I had a free day tomorrow to meet up with some friends and have fun on webcam together.
It has come to my attention that my plans have changed because the day will now involve looking after the children.
Why are they on strike and have we got many teachers fab? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You should cherish the little bit of extra time you're getting to spend with them, god only knows how much I miss mine when they're not with me.
I'm sure your meet will understand the reason you're cancelling. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I work in education and I had no idea just how hard it is until I did
I used to moan about strikes etc .... I see the flip side now
I personally wouldn't strike but I understand why they do |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Because michael gove wants all kids in school til 5pm, open on saturdays so that you'll be fined for taking them away for the weekend, longer terms/shorter holidays for them (so you'll be fined more for taking them on hol in july/aug/easter/xmas), he wants 6 year olds doing fractions, 8 year olds to be able to count to 100 in roman numerals, and worst of all he wants to get rid of the frankky essential teaching assistants. He wants to reduce teachers' planning time, make them work harder and fire them if school results don't improve.
He wants a new National Curriculum, but conversely wants all schools to become profit making academies. But academies don't have to follow the national curriculum ......
Gove is a journalist, has never workef in a school. He's a weapons grade cunt, and is refusing to listen to teachers or even please to rethink his plans from 100 of the uk's top professors, educationalists, and heavyweight academics.
Yes some teachers are due to lise 1000s from their impending retirement pension but the issues are much much wider |
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And all thr public care about is that their free bloody childminding service (the school) has been withdrawn for the day. Talk about short-sightedness.
You do realise your kids have to be in education until they are 18 now, not 16, don't you?? That went through a year or two ago |
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"And all thr public care about is that their free bloody childminding service (the school) has been withdrawn for the day. Talk about short-sightedness.
You do realise your kids have to be in education until they are 18 now, not 16, don't you?? That went through a year or two ago"
Don't forget some schools also provide breakfast and dinner clubs because some parents are too bloody lazy and useless and would rather teachers parent!
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By (user no longer on site)
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Some of the ideas they are striking against are good.
School til 5pm? Some already do this, they aren't in class they do other activities such as swimming, horse riding etc |
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"  here here if he had to do what I do every day with the little darlings he d want all kids drowned at birth"
My daughters boyfriend is training to be a primary school teacher: I've asked him if he's mad! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And all thr public care about is that their free bloody childminding service (the school) has been withdrawn for the day. Talk about short-sightedness.
You do realise your kids have to be in education until they are 18 now, not 16, don't you?? That went through a year or two ago
Don't forget some schools also provide breakfast and dinner clubs because some parents are too bloody lazy and useless and would rather teachers parent!
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My daughter goes to breakfast club, not because I'm lazy, because hours I work! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It has a very bad knock on effect though 
That's the idea of a strike, if withdrawing your labour causes problems it often hastens negotiations"
As what happened in Wales...the threat was enough.. They didn't strike so are currently negotiating... |
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"And all thr public care about is that their free bloody childminding service (the school) has been withdrawn for the day. Talk about short-sightedness.
You do realise your kids have to be in education until they are 18 now, not 16, don't you?? That went through a year or two ago
Don't forget some schools also provide breakfast and dinner clubs because some parents are too bloody lazy and useless and would rather teachers parent!
My daughter goes to breakfast club, not because I'm lazy, because hours I work!"
I had my children at a time there were no family friendly policies, no flexible working and employers could and DID discriminate against mothers, yet I managed to give my children breakfast, drop of three children at three different locations and still get to work. |
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Its post 16 lecturers too.
Lets not brand parents as lazy though lots of them put children in pre and after school activities because they need to be at work, I've seen plenty of threads calling people who don't work lazy a scroungers ....which is it to be? |
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"And all thr public care about is that their free bloody childminding service (the school) has been withdrawn for the day. Talk about short-sightedness.
You do realise your kids have to be in education until they are 18 now, not 16, don't you?? That went through a year or two ago
Don't forget some schools also provide breakfast and dinner clubs because some parents are too bloody lazy and useless and would rather teachers parent!
My daughter goes to breakfast club, not because I'm lazy, because hours I work!
I had my children at a time there were no family friendly policies, no flexible working and employers could and DID discriminate against mothers, yet I managed to give my children breakfast, drop of three children at three different locations and still get to work. "
But the facility is available now and you can't blame people for using it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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How the heck they get such idiots to run education , idiots that have never tried teaching, I have no idea.
I trained for a PGCE in 2009, taught 11-18 yr olds. 12 classes a week, teachers do nearer 20 including lunchtime and after school. Year 9 (14) are a real challenge. Marking 12x30 books each week, putting together lesson plans ... Its the hardest I've ever worked, but the most rewarding.
3 A levels, a 3-yr university degree, one year PGCE and a year at £16k on the job training followed by a salary of £23k/yr.
The majority of parents treat it like free day care, demand alsorts from the teacher but are certainly paid far more and do far less themselves.
I could not afford to stay, even though all 12 of my classes begged me to change my mind .... Give is a prize one prat who should experience and listen first!! Failing schools, not sure what he expects for £23k/year.
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"Its post 16 lecturers too.
Lets not brand parents as lazy though lots of them put children in pre and after school activities because they need to be at work, I've seen plenty of threads calling people who don't work lazy a scroungers ....which is it to be?"
I see negative threads about black people, fat people etc. The comments don't apply to me so I don't worry. Therefore if you're not *lazy* why take it personally?!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And all thr public care about is that their free bloody childminding service (the school) has been withdrawn for the day. Talk about short-sightedness.
You do realise your kids have to be in education until they are 18 now, not 16, don't you?? That went through a year or two ago
Don't forget some schools also provide breakfast and dinner clubs because some parents are too bloody lazy and useless and would rather teachers parent!
My daughter goes to breakfast club, not because I'm lazy, because hours I work!
I had my children at a time there were no family friendly policies, no flexible working and employers could and DID discriminate against mothers, yet I managed to give my children breakfast, drop of three children at three different locations and still get to work. "
I think it's unfair to label someone lazy when they're making use of a service 'family friendly' that's being provided...
I guess on the flip side, people ought to remember that teachers are parents too..and I know some that organised childcare for their own children so they could join the march.
Googling goveversusreality may provide some details as to why gove is trying to change the system and how close reality his rationale for doing so, actually is.. |
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I think parents should be demanding certain things from teachers but agree that some have a mistaken idea of a teachers role in their childrens lives. I have to say that the contempt that some teachers hold parents in is not nice to see either.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some of the ideas they are striking against are good.
School til 5pm? Some already do this, they aren't in class they do other activities such as swimming, horse riding etc "
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"Its post 16 lecturers too.
Lets not brand parents as lazy though lots of them put children in pre and after school activities because they need to be at work, I've seen plenty of threads calling people who don't work lazy a scroungers ....which is it to be?
I see negative threads about black people, fat people etc. The comments don't apply to me so I don't worry. Therefore if you're not *lazy* why take it personally?!! "
I haven't taken it personally, just posing a counter argument. |
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"How the heck they get such idiots to run education , idiots that have never tried teaching, I have no idea.
I trained for a PGCE in 2009, taught 11-18 yr olds. 12 classes a week, teachers do nearer 20 including lunchtime and after school. Year 9 (14) are a real challenge. Marking 12x30 books each week, putting together lesson plans ... Its the hardest I've ever worked, but the most rewarding.
3 A levels, a 3-yr university degree, one year PGCE and a year at £16k on the job training followed by a salary of £23k/yr.
The majority of parents treat it like free day care, demand alsorts from the teacher but are certainly paid far more and do far less themselves.
I could not afford to stay, even though all 12 of my classes begged me to change my mind .... Give is a prize one prat who should experience and listen first!! Failing schools, not sure what he expects for £23k/year.
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I taught 16+ in the 80s. I'd work down the sewers in my pyjamas and slippers than enter a classroom again!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think parents should be demanding certain things from teachers but agree that some have a mistaken idea of a teachers role in their childrens lives. I have to say that the contempt that some teachers hold parents in is not nice to see either.
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Generally i suspect thats reserved for parents who don't bother coming to any parents evenings, don't check their children's homeworks, don't support the school when it's ttrying to manage their child's behaviour and then block managed moves when the schools had enough as the disruption the child is causing is ruining the learning of others. |
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"I think parents should be demanding certain things from teachers but agree that some have a mistaken idea of a teachers role in their childrens lives. I have to say that the contempt that some teachers hold parents in is not nice to see either.
Generally i suspect thats reserved for parents who don't bother coming to any parents evenings, don't check their children's homeworks, don't support the school when it's ttrying to manage their child's behaviour and then block managed moves when the schools had enough as the disruption the child is causing is ruining the learning of others. "
I wish you were correct. Teachers are human too and some...not all...are pretty scathing about parents who aren't as intelligent as others, parents who don't work etc etc. staff rooms aren't populated by saints. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some of the ideas they are striking against are good.
School til 5pm? Some already do this, they aren't in class they do other activities such as swimming, horse riding etc
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Lots do it..by choice...no coercion. many teachers spend at least a day if not two offering such activities. They may also spend another evening or two a week detaining unruly kids. Not sure how taking away teachers preparation and marking time (currently 3 hours per week) from them will impact the after school clubs though...as they'll be two busy providing detailed feedback that 2% of kids actually read. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think parents should be demanding certain things from teachers but agree that some have a mistaken idea of a teachers role in their childrens lives. I have to say that the contempt that some teachers hold parents in is not nice to see either.
Generally i suspect thats reserved for parents who don't bother coming to any parents evenings, don't check their children's homeworks, don't support the school when it's ttrying to manage their child's behaviour and then block managed moves when the schools had enough as the disruption the child is causing is ruining the learning of others.
I wish you were correct. Teachers are human too and some...not all...are pretty scathing about parents who aren't as intelligent as others, parents who don't work etc etc. staff rooms aren't populated by saints."
Then it's not because they're teachers.. They're just grumpy, miserable prats who'd moan about something else were they're circumstances different. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think parents should be demanding certain things from teachers but agree that some have a mistaken idea of a teachers role in their childrens lives. I have to say that the contempt that some teachers hold parents in is not nice to see either.
Generally i suspect thats reserved for parents who don't bother coming to any parents evenings, don't check their children's homeworks, don't support the school when it's ttrying to manage their child's behaviour and then block managed moves when the schools had enough as the disruption the child is causing is ruining the learning of others.
I wish you were correct. Teachers are human too and some...not all...are pretty scathing about parents who aren't as intelligent as others, parents who don't work etc etc. staff rooms aren't populated by saints.
Then it's not because they're teachers.. They're just grumpy, miserable prats who'd moan about something else were they're circumstances different. "
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"How the heck they get such idiots to run education , idiots that have never tried teaching, I have no idea.
I trained for a PGCE in 2009, taught 11-18 yr olds. 12 classes a week, teachers do nearer 20 including lunchtime and after school. Year 9 (14) are a real challenge. Marking 12x30 books each week, putting together lesson plans ... Its the hardest I've ever worked, but the most rewarding.
3 A levels, a 3-yr university degree, one year PGCE and a year at £16k on the job training followed by a salary of £23k/yr.
The majority of parents treat it like free day care, demand alsorts from the teacher but are certainly paid far more and do far less themselves.
I could not afford to stay, even though all 12 of my classes begged me to change my mind .... Give is a prize one prat who should experience and listen first!! Failing schools, not sure what he expects for £23k/year.
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I have a great deal of respect for teachers and it is a job that I certainly could not do..
but £23k is not a bad starting salary in 2009
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My kids love brekkie club, I used to put them in it because I had to be in my own classroom at 7.45am, but now even when I don't need to drop them off earlier they still want to go so they do. This doesn't mean I don't feed them at home...they will often go in and not eat but just join in with the activities, they get to socialise with children from different year groups, do sporting activities. It's not the teachers who do the breakfast clubs it's support staff who are paid to be there that bit earlier.
Our schools around here did their strikes a few weeks ago, some teachers were off and some weren't but the school stayed open (not sure how much work got done that day but heyho). We've just had two days off for INSET days (to coincide with Eid, in an attempt not to take a hit on attendance figures I suspect) and it's been wonderful having the kids home for a few extra days 
OP the strikes haven't turned up out of the blue, they have been planned for some time and I'm fairly certain the school would have known before today/yesterday that they weren't going to be open so one wonders when you found out you were going to be childminding your own children today? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Not heard of any strikes local to me.. so not so bothered..
Two of mine Go to breakfast club because otherwise they would not get to school on time as I have to wait for a taxi to take my daughter to school and it's often late picking her up.
So take one at 8 and she is loving it... My son has to be driven to school currently to avoid a bullying problem. so he goes at 8.15. Leaving me 15mins to get back for my other daughters taxi.
I don't have to use them but it makes life much less stressful and is positive for my children.. although I let them decide if it's breakfast at home or school.
When I am working I have no choice but to use breakfast clubs. As 9am start would not be possible otherwise. As my youngests can not be left in the playground and doesn't go in till 9. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And all thr public care about is that their free bloody childminding service (the school) has been withdrawn for the day. Talk about short-sightedness.
You do realise your kids have to be in education until they are 18 now, not 16, don't you?? That went through a year or two ago
Don't forget some schools also provide breakfast and dinner clubs because some parents are too bloody lazy and useless and would rather teachers parent!
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or because they're working their arses off and have to be in work before the school day starts and don't get home until after it closes |
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"And all thr public care about is that their free bloody childminding service (the school) has been withdrawn for the day. Talk about short-sightedness.
You do realise your kids have to be in education until they are 18 now, not 16, don't you?? That went through a year or two ago
Don't forget some schools also provide breakfast and dinner clubs because some parents are too bloody lazy and useless and would rather teachers parent!
My daughter goes to breakfast club, not because I'm lazy, because hours I work!"
its not teachers that run the breakfast clubs either |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And all thr public care about is that their free bloody childminding service (the school) has been withdrawn for the day. Talk about short-sightedness.
You do realise your kids have to be in education until they are 18 now, not 16, don't you?? That went through a year or two ago
Don't forget some schools also provide breakfast and dinner clubs because some parents are too bloody lazy and useless and would rather teachers parent!
My daughter goes to breakfast club, not because I'm lazy, because hours I work!
I had my children at a time there were no family friendly policies, no flexible working and employers could and DID discriminate against mothers, yet I managed to give my children breakfast, drop of three children at three different locations and still get to work. "
your working hours obviously allowed for that, not everyone's do |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And all thr public care about is that their free bloody childminding service (the school) has been withdrawn for the day. Talk about short-sightedness. "
since when has school been free?
unless you pay NO tax then you pay for schooling.
idont have kids yet i pay for the schools.
can i have a rebate in this part of my tax payment? thought not. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It has a very bad knock on effect though
Yes the teachers can now have a break from looking after the kids give the kids back to there family for an extra day "
or to grandma who has a serious headache already, backache and a cheese flan to make |
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Gove for many of the reasons stated is a complete muppet, his refusal to listen to the Professional's in academia who are opposed to his plans for education speaks volumes..
his drive for free schools and some of the tricks he has pulled in order to achieve these is bordering on farce..
my sister qualified 3 yrs ago and despite being offered a permanent position as a teacher has chosen to take a one yrs contract as a TA..
she is committed, popular and good at what she does..
the expectations on family life outside the classroom were enough to sway her..
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"And all thr public care about is that their free bloody childminding service (the school) has been withdrawn for the day. Talk about short-sightedness.
since when has school been free?
unless you pay NO tax then you pay for schooling.
idont have kids yet i pay for the schools.
can i have a rebate in this part of my tax payment? thought not."
I think an important point being missed is that some parents are unaware of the reasons for the strike, some impact teachers conditions of work, others affect the curriculum...and they also forget that it's actually quite rare for teachers to strike (that's perhaps why it's been ineffective thus far - plus gove gets off on be the bad guy I think).
This resultant ignorance reflects in the lack of public support that teachers sometimes get.
The website I mentioned earlier may help answer some questions
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Teachers’ hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year. It’s time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do – babysit. We can get that for less than minimum wage.
That’s right. Let’s give them £3 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be £19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan– that equals 6 1/2 hours).
Each parent should pay £19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day…maybe 30? So that’s £19.50 x 30 = £585.00 a day.
However, remember they only work 180 days a year. I am not going to pay them for any vacations.
LET’S SEE…That’s £585 X 180= £105,300 per year. (Hold on. My calculator needs new batteries.)
What about those special education teachers and the ones with master’s degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage (£5.75), and just to be fair, round it off to £8.00 an hour. That would be £8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = £280,800 per year.
Wait a minute — there’s something wrong here. A teachers stating salary is £23,000 a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!) |
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"Teachers’ hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year. It’s time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do – babysit. We can get that for less than minimum wage.
That’s right. Let’s give them £3 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be £19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan– that equals 6 1/2 hours).
Each parent should pay £19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day…maybe 30? So that’s £19.50 x 30 = £585.00 a day.
However, remember they only work 180 days a year. I am not going to pay them for any vacations.
LET’S SEE…That’s £585 X 180= £105,300 per year. (Hold on. My calculator needs new batteries.)
What about those special education teachers and the ones with master’s degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage (£5.75), and just to be fair, round it off to £8.00 an hour. That would be £8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = £280,800 per year.
Wait a minute — there’s something wrong here. A teachers stating salary is £23,000 a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!)"
Interesting way of looking at it |
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By *Kgirl80Woman
over a year ago
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"Teachers’ hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year. It’s time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do – babysit. We can get that for less than minimum wage.
That’s right. Let’s give them £3 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be £19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan– that equals 6 1/2 hours).
Each parent should pay £19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day…maybe 30? So that’s £19.50 x 30 = £585.00 a day.
However, remember they only work 180 days a year. I am not going to pay them for any vacations.
LET’S SEE…That’s £585 X 180= £105,300 per year. (Hold on. My calculator needs new batteries.)
What about those special education teachers and the ones with master’s degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage (£5.75), and just to be fair, round it off to £8.00 an hour. That would be £8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = £280,800 per year.
Wait a minute — there’s something wrong here. A teachers stating salary is £23,000 a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!)"
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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The dates for the strikes, different in different parts of the country, have been known for some time so how any parents could not know is beyond me. I'm not a parent but I know which of my nephews have to go to school today and which can't.
A school I visit regularly was forced by Gove to become an Academy. It can opt out of the national curriculum and is allowed to make a profit. Just before it became an Academy it was a vibrant environment, with happy kids and lots of project work on display. Since it became an Academy the teachers regularly have to stay until 9pm yet the project work is no longer on display, staff leave every term and are replaced by agency staff and grades are going down. Hmmm
A secondary Academy I know has had compulsory extra curricular activities every day after school. School starts at 8.15am and finishes around 4pm. Teachers have to be available on-line until 9pm to answer homework questions and to post on-line the daily updates about attendance and performance in class. Hmmm
Both schools have INSET days during the school holidays too just to get through the number of them they need to have.
The thing about the strikes is that support staff have been instructed to go in today or risk disciplinary. They were not allowed to book a day of annual leave (even though they have children themselves) and anyone calling in sick would have to produce a certificate for that day.
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"Teachers’ hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year. It’s time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do – babysit. We can get that for less than minimum wage.
That’s right. Let’s give them £3 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be £19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan– that equals 6 1/2 hours).
Each parent should pay £19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day…maybe 30? So that’s £19.50 x 30 = £585.00 a day.
However, remember they only work 180 days a year. I am not going to pay them for any vacations.
LET’S SEE…That’s £585 X 180= £105,300 per year. (Hold on. My calculator needs new batteries.)
What about those special education teachers and the ones with master’s degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage (£5.75), and just to be fair, round it off to £8.00 an hour. That would be £8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = £280,800 per year.
Wait a minute — there’s something wrong here. A teachers stating salary is £23,000 a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!)
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"Because michael gove wants all kids in school til 5pm, open on saturdays so that you'll be fined for taking them away for the weekend, longer terms/shorter holidays for them (so you'll be fined more for taking them on hol in july/aug/easter/xmas), he wants 6 year olds doing fractions, 8 year olds to be able to count to 100 in roman numerals, and worst of all he wants to get rid of the frankky essential teaching assistants. He wants to reduce teachers' planning time, make them work harder and fire them if school results don't improve.
He wants a new National Curriculum, but conversely wants all schools to become profit making academies. But academies don't have to follow the national curriculum ......
Gove is a journalist, has never workef in a school. He's a weapons grade cunt, and is refusing to listen to teachers or even please to rethink his plans from 100 of the uk's top professors, educationalists, and heavyweight academics.
Yes some teachers are due to lise 1000s from their impending retirement pension but the issues are much much wider"
Sweet fucking christ, is he serious? |
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It must be regional as we had ours already.
