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"I've never really understood the concept of 'closure'. Is there any such thing? When does it happen? At a funeral? On conviction of the culprit?" Have you lost anyone very close in a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way? | |||
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"I've never really understood the concept of 'closure'. Is there any such thing? When does it happen? At a funeral? On conviction of the culprit? Have you lost anyone very close in a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way?" Very close? Yes. In a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way? Oh yes. Very close in a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way? Thankfully not. I still don't get the 'closure' bit. How and when does closure come? | |||
"I've never really understood the concept of 'closure'. Is there any such thing? When does it happen? At a funeral? On conviction of the culprit? Have you lost anyone very close in a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way? Very close? Yes. In a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way? Oh yes. Very close in a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way? Thankfully not. I still don't get the 'closure' bit. How and when does closure come? " in maddies case when they know what happened to her imo | |||
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"I've never really understood the concept of 'closure'. Is there any such thing? When does it happen? At a funeral? On conviction of the culprit? Have you lost anyone very close in a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way? Very close? Yes. In a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way? Oh yes. Very close in a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way? Thankfully not. I still don't get the 'closure' bit. How and when does closure come? " It varies from person to person, like the grieving process. I'd say if you haven't lost someone very close suddenly and in a traumatic way then don't try too hard to understand because you probably won't. There are some things you just can't 'get' until you go through them. | |||
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"I won't watch anything about it now. I hope they do find maddie alive or dead but I can't stand her parents and their media circus complete with spin doctors. Allegedly the tapas 7 donates all of their money to the fund massive fund.....hundreds of thousands of pounds yet the government are funding this current investigation 6 years after it happened and 4 years after the Portuguese police ended theirs. What is the fund being spent on then? " Mortgage repayments, good lawyers, tapas and Mateus Rose... who said crime dont pay? | |||
"I won't watch anything about it now. I hope they do find maddie alive or dead but I can't stand her parents and their media circus complete with spin doctors. Allegedly the tapas 7 donates all of their money to the fund massive fund.....hundreds of thousands of pounds yet the government are funding this current investigation 6 years after it happened and 4 years after the Portuguese police ended theirs. What is the fund being spent on then? " That's the thing that annoys me. I got really annoyed this morning when I heard someone say that now "our" police are dealing with it there will be an answer. That the investigation by "our" police shows the whole timeline is wrong. What it appears to show is that Maddie MAY have been taken later but no one actually knows as her parents weren't there for such a long time. What are the 500 people with "leads" calling to say? That the photo-fit looks like a bloke down the road but he's never been to Portugal? | |||
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"I can't quite see how what a person feels and goes through after losing "someone very close suddenly and in a traumatic way" can ever come to an end. I don't understand how there can be a point in time when folk can say 'It's OK now'. " Closure isn't about it being ok. It's never going to be ok. It's about knowing everything that can/could be done has been done and being able to start moving forward. As I said, you have to go through it to get it and even then everyone has different experiences. | |||
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"this subject came and went and im suprised no one did it after the crimewatch thing last night. did you see anything to change your opinion on the situation? or did it reinforce you thoughts one way or the other?" my thoughts haven't changed since the beginning i only have feeling of sadness for that poor child. as far as her parents and the other members of the tapas 7 are concerned they should be ashamed of themselves for leaving their children asleep in bed whilst they enjoyed their evening meals every single night. even on the day of the disappearance when maddie asked her parents were they were the night before when her and her brother cried for them they still carried on with their evening out with friends. i still hope and pray that they find that poor child however i do not think there will be a happy ending. | |||
"The tapas 7. Seven couples with a number of children between them. Would it have been so unreasonable to put the kids in one apartment and take turns who Sat with them? I know hindsight is 20/20 but this is the solution many parents/families who travel in a group use." Or pay a minder for them. They weren't exactly hard up. | |||
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" Or pay a minder for them. They weren't exactly hard up." there were actually free crèche facilities on the complex | |||
"the rights and wrongs of what the parents did are secondary in this case in my opinion as an innocent little girl was the victim. I sincerely hope that some good can come out of last nights programme and if she is still alive then she may be reunited with her family .. I find the whole case to be truly heartbreaking and I have read her mothers book which was one of the hardest reads of my life " i understand what you are saying however i would find it hard to accept that she should be given straight back to her parents. if you read in the daily mail tomorrow about a child disappearance whilst their parents (benefits claimants) were in the local pub or kebab house 50 yards away how do you think the authorites and the general public would react to them however maddies parents are supposed to be educated people im sorry i cannot feel remorse for them only their poor child and they should be charged with neglect. | |||
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"Has anyone else seen the picture on the internet doing the rounds of the e-fits next to a picture of her father? Just sayin'." See my post a little up.... almost uncanny!! | |||
"Has anyone else seen the picture on the internet doing the rounds of the e-fits next to a picture of her father? Just sayin'." why wasn't this picture released 5 years ago. | |||
"See my post a little up.... almost uncanny!!" Apologies, I kind of skimmed this thread. "why wasn't this picture released 5 years ago." I know, the whole thing has been a balls up. | |||
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"See my post a little up.... almost uncanny!! Apologies, I kind of skimmed this thread. why wasn't this picture released 5 years ago. I know, the whole thing has been a balls up." you think you would everything out there with the hope something clicks in someone's brain and leads them to the girl. | |||
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"If the parents had been looking after their children we wouldn't be talking about it at all. It is Maddie I feel sorry for as she was let down by them, but I am not sure what the programme will achieve as apart from the new E fits there isn't any new evidence. If someone at the time had seen two men acting strange surely they would have come forward before now as uite rightly it has been in the news for 6 years." i think people forget they went out and left their children on their own!! Who in their right mind would leave children that young on their own??? I know i wouldnt and think most mums wouldnt either x | |||
"Has anyone else seen the picture on the internet doing the rounds of the e-fits next to a picture of her father? Just sayin'." That was my thoughts watching it. It was a e-fit of him  | |||
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"this subject came and went and im suprised no one did it after the crimewatch thing last night. did you see anything to change your opinion on the situation? or did it reinforce you thoughts one way or the other?" i think tht child is dead!i think the mother or father injected her with stuff to make her sleep and gave her too much and thts what killed her! | |||
"this subject came and went and im suprised no one did it after the crimewatch thing last night. did you see anything to change your opinion on the situation? or did it reinforce you thoughts one way or the other? i think tht child is dead!i think the mother or father injected her with stuff to make her sleep and gave her too much and thts what killed her!" TWO doctors getting it THAT wrong? | |||
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"this subject came and went and im suprised no one did it after the crimewatch thing last night. did you see anything to change your opinion on the situation? or did it reinforce you thoughts one way or the other? i think tht child is dead!i think the mother or father injected her with stuff to make her sleep and gave her too much and thts what killed her! TWO doctors getting it THAT wrong?" Who is the other Dr? | |||
"Have the British police questioned the mccanns because if you start a fresh investigation then they must start with the parents surly or are they untouchable now they have friends in high places backing them" As somebody else put on another thread about this. They have low friends in high places. | |||
"Have the British police questioned the mccanns because if you start a fresh investigation then they must start with the parents surly or are they untouchable now they have friends in high places backing them As somebody else put on another thread about this. They have low friends in high places." ???? | |||
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"Has anyone else seen the picture on the internet doing the rounds of the e-fits next to a picture of her father? Just sayin'. That was my thoughts watching it. It was a e-fit of him "Uncanny likeness...and the Smiths apparently identified the man as Gerry after seeing him on camera some months later carrying one of the twins in the same way. The McCann files make very interesting reading  | |||
" no mention of The Smiths Statement who is 60 - 80 % sure he Saw Gerry carrying the litle girl down the middle of the road ( was even able to describe the unusual buttons on his trousers) "Having just googled for this, it fits in with the new timings being given by the police last night. Funnily enough I said last night that one of the E fits has a look of the dad and it seems I wasn't the only one to think it. | |||
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"Have the British police questioned the mccanns because if you start a fresh investigation then they must start with the parents surly or are they untouchable now they have friends in high places backing them As somebody else put on another thread about this. They have low friends in high places. ???? " Have a think about it | |||
"They are both doctors Eavie , and there were other doctors in the group ." Oh. I thought she was a nurse. | |||
"They are both doctors Eavie , and there were other doctors in the group . Oh. I thought she was a nurse. " No she was definitely a gp in a town near me. Think he was a surgeon/consultant | |||
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"this subject came and went and im suprised no one did it after the crimewatch thing last night. did you see anything to change your opinion on the situation? or did it reinforce you thoughts one way or the other? i think tht child is dead!i think the mother or father injected her with stuff to make her sleep and gave her too much and thts what killed her! TWO doctors getting it THAT wrong? Who is the other Dr? " The two parents? | |||
"They are both doctors Eavie , and there were other doctors in the group . Oh. I thought she was a nurse. No she was definitely a gp in a town near me. Think he was a surgeon/consultant " Be interesting to know what her speciality was ....,wouldn't it ?  | |||
"Looks to me the parents killed her and either buried her or thrown her out to sea "  | |||
"They are both doctors Eavie , and there were other doctors in the group . Oh. I thought she was a nurse. No she was definitely a gp in a town near me. Think he was a surgeon/consultant " he works on the ITU at glenfield the same ward my dad was on | |||
"They are both doctors Eavie , and there were other doctors in the group . Oh. I thought she was a nurse. No she was definitely a gp in a town near me. Think he was a surgeon/consultant he works on the ITU at glenfield the same ward my dad was on " Thought it was a Leicester hospital but wasn't sure which | |||
"They are both doctors Eavie , and there were other doctors in the group . Oh. I thought she was a nurse. No she was definitely a gp in a town near me. Think he was a surgeon/consultant he works on the ITU at glenfield the same ward my dad was on Thought it was a Leicester hospital but wasn't sure which " part time GP in Leicestershire at the time of the disappearance....god knows why i thought she was a nurse | |||
"where the twins ever drug tested straight after she disappeared" One of my thoughts there!! | |||
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"condemning the parents has actually been done to death through these forums .. im not sure what it actually achieves anymore .. its been going on for 6 years .. yes they did make mistakes and they will have to live with them for the rest of their lives and explain it to the twins .. a lot of people wont watch a programme on telly about the incident due to their hatred for the parents and my heart just absolutely bleeds for Madeline because if she is still alive .. she is the only victim here and people loose sight of that "
I agree..........I will continue to have an open mind about what happened until otherwise proven differently.
I remember a case of a woman in Salisbury who was accused of smothering her babies, she ended up in jail but then was found to be innocent as there was a genetic defect that meant her children were pre disposed to cot death.
Making assumptions is a dangerous game.
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"condemning the parents has actually been done to death through these forums .. im not sure what it actually achieves anymore .. its been going on for 6 years .. yes they did make mistakes and they will have to live with them for the rest of their lives and explain it to the twins .. a lot of people wont watch a programme on telly about the incident due to their hatred for the parents and my heart just absolutely bleeds for Madeline because if she is still alive .. she is the only victim here and people loose sight of that
I agree..........I will continue to have an open mind about what happened until otherwise proven differently.
I remember a case of a woman in Salisbury who was accused of smothering her babies, she ended up in jail but then was found to be innocent as there was a genetic defect that meant her children were pre disposed to cot death.
Making assumptions is a dangerous game.
A"the FACT they left their children alone, every evening to go out with their friends is not an assumption | |||
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"condemning the parents has actually been done to death through these forums .. im not sure what it actually achieves anymore .. its been going on for 6 years .. yes they did make mistakes and they will have to live with them for the rest of their lives and explain it to the twins .. a lot of people wont watch a programme on telly about the incident due to their hatred for the parents and my heart just absolutely bleeds for Madeline because if she is still alive .. she is the only victim here and people loose sight of that
I agree..........I will continue to have an open mind about what happened until otherwise proven differently.
I remember a case of a woman in Salisbury who was accused of smothering her babies, she ended up in jail but then was found to be innocent as there was a genetic defect that meant her children were pre disposed to cot death.
Making assumptions is a dangerous game.
A
the FACT they left their children alone, every evening to go out with their friends is not an assumption "Yes I never said that wasn't a FACT. BUT many people are making assumptions about what happened and who did what. | |||
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"The girl is called Madeleine. Not Maddy - that was concocted by the tabloids." I'm pretty sure she's called something else now if she isn't long gone  | |||
"The girl is called Madeleine. Not Maddy - that was concocted by the tabloids. I'm pretty sure she's called something else now if she isn't long gone "Don't be too sure, you may be asked some questions.  | |||
"The girl is called Madeleine. Not Maddy - that was concocted by the tabloids. I'm pretty sure she's called something else now if she isn't long gone
Don't be too sure, you may be asked some questions. "Well I'm pretty sure even the Portuguese police would have a found her if she was still called Maddy McCan. Let's hope I'm wrong and she surfaces. Be a good movie(which I'm sure her parents already have sold the rights to). | |||
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"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt" Christ you seem quite knowledgeable! | |||
"my daughter is away from me at mo... its bad enough for me and I know where she is ...... imagine not knowing" They know alright..... | |||
"Well she wasn't actually seen for an hour and half for a start and the fact the kids had woken up crying the night before and they still went out " I couldn't believe that he said that Kids woke up and cried and asked their parents where they were? His response ... We made sure we were extra vigilant and doors were locked the next night ( or words to that affect ) Unbelievable !! | |||
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"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt Christ you seem quite knowledgeable! " Ex military if we gonna snatch and grab you know everything and leave no witness just to clarify not random abductor lol | |||
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"I thought the photo fit looks very like the father, but then again photo fits are usually shite anyway." And it's a fairly generic male photo fit. Plus people are not as good at noticing things as they think they are. | |||
"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt" It doesn't make sense at all though if there was a single person taking them then they take one they can move without being seen you don't take more. | |||
"I thought the photo fit looks very like the father, but then again photo fits are usually shite anyway. And it's a fairly generic male photo fit. Plus people are not as good at noticing things as they think they are. " Plus it was 6 years ago!! I can't remember what the block who served me in tescos yesterday looked like let alone some stranger I saw 6 years ago. | |||
"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt It doesn't make sense at all though if there was a single person taking them then they take one they can move without being seen you don't take more. " And Madeleine was a ' screamer ' ...( Gerry's words ) she would have raised the roof surely , because Mrs Fenn upstairs heard crying for 75 minutes one night | |||
"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt Christ you seem quite knowledgeable! Ex military if we gonna snatch and grab you know everything and leave no witness just to clarify not random abductor lol " I suppose that ought to be reassuring but somehow ............ | |||
"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt It doesn't make sense at all though if there was a single person taking them then they take one they can move without being seen you don't take more. " If you planning on taking someone you plan and replan every detail they'd know there was 3 kids why take one? there could be 3 guys and take them staggered. And if they've gotten away with it this long with the media attentiont they're good | |||
"Just got 2 words to say on the subject BEN NEEDHAM "Tried that but fell on deaf ears | |||
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"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt It doesn't make sense at all though if there was a single person taking them then they take one they can move without being seen you don't take more. And Madeleine was a ' screamer ' ...( Gerry's words ) she would have raised the roof surely , because Mrs Fenn upstairs heard crying for 75 minutes one night "But not if she had been sedated? Kate McCann was an anaesthetist before she became a GP... | |||
"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists." Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy | |||
"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt It doesn't make sense at all though if there was a single person taking them then they take one they can move without being seen you don't take more. And Madeleine was a ' screamer ' ...( Gerry's words ) she would have raised the roof surely , because Mrs Fenn upstairs heard crying for 75 minutes one night
But not if she had been sedated? Kate McCann was an anaesthetist before she became a GP..."Very true the possibilities of what might or could have happened are endless and theories will always be thrown around | |||
"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists. Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy "Really? How do you come to that conclusion then? | |||
"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt It doesn't make sense at all though if there was a single person taking them then they take one they can move without being seen you don't take more. And Madeleine was a ' screamer ' ...( Gerry's words ) she would have raised the roof surely , because Mrs Fenn upstairs heard crying for 75 minutes one night
But not if she had been sedated? Kate McCann was an anaesthetist before she became a GP..."now there's a turn up fer the books ! | |||
"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists. Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy "There's no real evidence to support there innocence or guilt just what is gauged through there mannerisms | |||
"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists. Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy "There's not a lot of facts about any aspect of the story. The only thing missing (I think) is an abducted by aliens proposition. | |||
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"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists. Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy Really? How do you come to that conclusion then?"In the very polites of terms I have read the threads and arrived at that conclusion | |||
"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists. Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy "Do you understand the nature of a forum? I have to ask as it comes across as your intent is purely to disrupt and put people down. You do realise there are limited links people can put up and in reality its not all about anally proving every point its more to do with points of _iew. Where you think class envy comes into it eludes me but I am assuming its a sly attempt at putting people down insinuating that people are of a lower class than the McCanns. | |||
"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists. Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy Really? How do you come to that conclusion then?
In the very polites of terms I have read the threads and arrived at that conclusion "I see no evidence of class envy. Where the parents background has been mentioned in this and other threads its only been to insist they be held to the same standards of behaviour as other sectors of society. | |||
"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists." Most people appear to be stating that the one fact that is clear is that the parents left their children alone. Everything else is supposition, including the idea that the "if the bad man/person hadn't been there then everything would be fine." Life turns on big and small decisions we make. As adults we should have the faculty to make a reasonable risk assessment, it's no guarantee but it is some mitigation. What I feel is that the McCanns did not make a reasonable risk assessment. That is my supposition. | |||
"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists. Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy
Do you understand the nature of a forum? I have to ask as it comes across as your intent is purely to disrupt and put people down. You do realise there are limited links people can put up and in reality its not all about anally proving every point its more to do with points of _iew. Where you think class envy comes into it eludes me but I am assuming its a sly attempt at putting people down insinuating that people are of a lower class than the McCanns."As I said previously take a step back, read this thread and previous thread and then tell me honestly that the McCanns staus is not at the heart of many folks ire | |||
"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists. Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy
Do you understand the nature of a forum? I have to ask as it comes across as your intent is purely to disrupt and put people down. You do realise there are limited links people can put up and in reality its not all about anally proving every point its more to do with points of _iew. Where you think class envy comes into it eludes me but I am assuming its a sly attempt at putting people down insinuating that people are of a lower class than the McCanns.
As I said previously take a step back, read this thread and previous thread and then tell me honestly that the McCanns staus is not at the heart of many folks ire "It's not their status, it's their behaviour that's being condemned. | |||
"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists. Most people appear to be stating that the one fact that is clear is that the parents left their children alone. Everything else is supposition, including the idea that the "if the bad man/person hadn't been there then everything would be fine." Life turns on big and small decisions we make. As adults we should have the faculty to make a reasonable risk assessment, it's no guarantee but it is some mitigation. What I feel is that the McCanns did not make a reasonable risk assessment. That is my supposition. " Absolutely, but if the bad person does not enter the equation................. | |||
"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists. Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy
Do you understand the nature of a forum? I have to ask as it comes across as your intent is purely to disrupt and put people down. You do realise there are limited links people can put up and in reality its not all about anally proving every point its more to do with points of _iew. Where you think class envy comes into it eludes me but I am assuming its a sly attempt at putting people down insinuating that people are of a lower class than the McCanns.
As I said previously take a step back, read this thread and previous thread and then tell me honestly that the McCanns staus is not at the heart of many folks ire "Statues has never been mentioned or referred to at any point maybe your understanding of what has been wrote is flipped upside down by the status of forum members | |||
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"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists. Most people appear to be stating that the one fact that is clear is that the parents left their children alone. Everything else is supposition, including the idea that the "if the bad man/person hadn't been there then everything would be fine." Life turns on big and small decisions we make. As adults we should have the faculty to make a reasonable risk assessment, it's no guarantee but it is some mitigation. What I feel is that the McCanns did not make a reasonable risk assessment. That is my supposition. Absolutely, but if the bad person does not enter the equation................. "
Your missing the point of the parents are the bad people no matter what as they left a clear window for there daughter to go missing | |||
"so are we all convinced maddie is dead? " It's almost impossible to be convinced about anything to do with this story. | |||
"so are we all convinced maddie is dead? " I dearly hope not but in some cases at least she'd have peace | |||
"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists. Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy
Do you understand the nature of a forum? I have to ask as it comes across as your intent is purely to disrupt and put people down. You do realise there are limited links people can put up and in reality its not all about anally proving every point its more to do with points of _iew. Where you think class envy comes into it eludes me but I am assuming its a sly attempt at putting people down insinuating that people are of a lower class than the McCanns.
As I said previously take a step back, read this thread and previous thread and then tell me honestly that the McCanns staus is not at the heart of many folks ire "I have neither axe to grind or knife to sharpen I need no room to stand back and to me your intention is one of disruption rather than to debate a point. I have read the thread and other ones you interject in and it still looks as though you have other aims here why else insinuate class envy as its clearly a divisive comment. | |||
"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists. Most people appear to be stating that the one fact that is clear is that the parents left their children alone. Everything else is supposition, including the idea that the "if the bad man/person hadn't been there then everything would be fine." Life turns on big and small decisions we make. As adults we should have the faculty to make a reasonable risk assessment, it's no guarantee but it is some mitigation. What I feel is that the McCanns did not make a reasonable risk assessment. That is my supposition. Absolutely, but if the bad person does not enter the equation................. " If the bad person does not enter the equation there is nothing that says Madeleine couldn't have had an accident. Even with parents around bad things happen to nice children. As to your class assertions I don't see it at all. I see people mentioning their class, their status in terms of them being treated differently by the press than if they had been Tracy and Gazza from an estate in a run down inner city area. That's not envy in this case (envy being resentment of others possessions/luck/qualities). There is no envy of their situation. There is concern that they are being treated differently in that the press does not condemn them leaving the children alone. They are offered sympathy. That will change in a nanosecond IF it turns out that they are guilty of more than leaving the children alone, of course. However, that is just more supposition on my part. | |||
"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists. Most people appear to be stating that the one fact that is clear is that the parents left their children alone. Everything else is supposition, including the idea that the "if the bad man/person hadn't been there then everything would be fine." Life turns on big and small decisions we make. As adults we should have the faculty to make a reasonable risk assessment, it's no guarantee but it is some mitigation. What I feel is that the McCanns did not make a reasonable risk assessment. That is my supposition. Absolutely, but if the bad person does not enter the equation.................
Your missing the point of the parents are the bad people no matter what as they left a clear window for there daughter to go missing"April Jones parents let her out to play, are they bad parents? | |||
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"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists. Most people appear to be stating that the one fact that is clear is that the parents left their children alone. Everything else is supposition, including the idea that the "if the bad man/person hadn't been there then everything would be fine." Life turns on big and small decisions we make. As adults we should have the faculty to make a reasonable risk assessment, it's no guarantee but it is some mitigation. What I feel is that the McCanns did not make a reasonable risk assessment. That is my supposition. Absolutely, but if the bad person does not enter the equation.................
Your missing the point of the parents are the bad people no matter what as they left a clear window for there daughter to go missing
April Jones parents let her out to play, are they bad parents?"That is a different scenario entirely now it's clear your trying to start argument that like asking if you have anthrax vaccination just because it exists or you going to have a malaria jab while visiting a country where it's deemed not necessary | |||
" As to your class assertions I don't see it at all. I see people mentioning their class, their status in terms of them being treated differently by the press than if they had been Tracy and Gazza from an estate in a run down inner city area. That's not envy in this case (envy being resentment of others possessions/luck/qualities). There is no envy of their situation. There is concern that they are being treated differently in that the press does not condemn them leaving the children alone. They are offered sympathy. That will change in a nanosecond IF it turns out that they are guilty of more than leaving the children alone, of course. However, that is just more supposition on my part. " April Jones was from a less than affluent part of society however, and rightly so heaven and earth was moved to secure a conviction, so quite clearly the Tracy and Gazza thing is just a 'distraction' | |||
" As to your class assertions I don't see it at all. I see people mentioning their class, their status in terms of them being treated differently by the press than if they had been Tracy and Gazza from an estate in a run down inner city area. That's not envy in this case (envy being resentment of others possessions/luck/qualities). There is no envy of their situation. There is concern that they are being treated differently in that the press does not condemn them leaving the children alone. They are offered sympathy. That will change in a nanosecond IF it turns out that they are guilty of more than leaving the children alone, of course. However, that is just more supposition on my part. April Jones was from a less than affluent part of society however, and rightly so heaven and earth was moved to secure a conviction, so quite clearly the Tracy and Gazza thing is just a 'distraction' "So your agreeing it's nothing todo with status therefor your comment being invalid | |||
" As to your class assertions I don't see it at all. I see people mentioning their class, their status in terms of them being treated differently by the press than if they had been Tracy and Gazza from an estate in a run down inner city area. That's not envy in this case (envy being resentment of others possessions/luck/qualities). There is no envy of their situation. There is concern that they are being treated differently in that the press does not condemn them leaving the children alone. They are offered sympathy. That will change in a nanosecond IF it turns out that they are guilty of more than leaving the children alone, of course. However, that is just more supposition on my part. April Jones was from a less than affluent part of society however, and rightly so heaven and earth was moved to secure a conviction, so quite clearly the Tracy and Gazza thing is just a 'distraction' "I think a few people have worked out you are looking to create an argument pushing the class thing. Don't you think its a little distasteful trying to do this on a topic about a missing child. | |||
" As to your class assertions I don't see it at all. I see people mentioning their class, their status in terms of them being treated differently by the press than if they had been Tracy and Gazza from an estate in a run down inner city area. That's not envy in this case (envy being resentment of others possessions/luck/qualities). There is no envy of their situation. There is concern that they are being treated differently in that the press does not condemn them leaving the children alone. They are offered sympathy. That will change in a nanosecond IF it turns out that they are guilty of more than leaving the children alone, of course. However, that is just more supposition on my part. April Jones was from a less than affluent part of society however, and rightly so heaven and earth was moved to secure a conviction, so quite clearly the Tracy and Gazza thing is just a 'distraction' "I think you are just doing this to be provocative now. Don't spoil what has been a good discussion. | |||
" As to your class assertions I don't see it at all. I see people mentioning their class, their status in terms of them being treated differently by the press than if they had been Tracy and Gazza from an estate in a run down inner city area. That's not envy in this case (envy being resentment of others possessions/luck/qualities). There is no envy of their situation. There is concern that they are being treated differently in that the press does not condemn them leaving the children alone. They are offered sympathy. That will change in a nanosecond IF it turns out that they are guilty of more than leaving the children alone, of course. However, that is just more supposition on my part. April Jones was from a less than affluent part of society however, and rightly so heaven and earth was moved to secure a conviction, so quite clearly the Tracy and Gazza thing is just a 'distraction' "OK, I see that you have taken a fixed _iew and will not countenance any refusal to see your point of _iew. As with other posts I won't be taking your bait any further. | |||
"I think you are just doing this to be provocative now. Don't spoil what has been a good discussion." Is this me off to the naughty step again for not conforming? | |||
"I think you are just doing this to be provocative now. Don't spoil what has been a good discussion. Is this me off to the naughty step again for not conforming? "
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" I think a few people have worked out you are looking to create an argument pushing the class thing. Don't you think its a little distasteful trying to do this on a topic about a missing child. " Nope my point has and always will be that if you take the 'bad person' out of the McCann story then we have no story, end of. Plus I did think that the whole concept of debate was that we didn't all 'have' to agree | |||
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"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists. Most people appear to be stating that the one fact that is clear is that the parents left their children alone. Everything else is supposition, including the idea that the "if the bad man/person hadn't been there then everything would be fine." Life turns on big and small decisions we make. As adults we should have the faculty to make a reasonable risk assessment, it's no guarantee but it is some mitigation. What I feel is that the McCanns did not make a reasonable risk assessment. That is my supposition. Absolutely, but if the bad person does not enter the equation................. " the only clear evidence of bad person/s is the parents for leaving the childern 'home alone'. there is no evidence of an abduction, is there? | |||
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"The comments would be classified probably as slander rather than libel. Justice Eady 2009." Either way illegal. | |||
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"The comments would be classified probably as slander rather than libel. Justice Eady 2009. Either way illegal." I think they'd need a Euromillions win to sue everyone that thinks they are guilty of something. And then it would have to be one of the big rollovers. All I can say about the Crimewatch programme is that it didn't change my mind at all. | |||
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"The comments would be classified probably as slander rather than libel. Justice Eady 2009." Another. ' probability ' ...not much done on those I'm affraid , ...and going by all recent transcripts from the ongoing libel case they don't do too well when it actually gets to court ..... | |||
"I can't quite see how what a person feels and goes through after losing "someone very close suddenly and in a traumatic way" can ever come to an end. I don't understand how there can be a point in time when folk can say 'It's OK now'. " I think the only closure with what you are talking about is the day you die. | |||
"Imagine if they found. Maddie alive Which would be great But What is The likelihood of Still being able to Speak English " That would, of course, be a disaster of epic proportion. How, in the 21st century, anyone can expect to live a happy and fulfilling life and not be able to speak English is beyond my comprehension. | |||
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"Holy moly just imagine if the mcanns or their solicitors accessed this forum defamation of character or libel action could be pursued based on some comments based on nothing. Did they make a mistake leaving the children yes even though only 50 meters away. But fact it a child is missing and yet still without proof folk are alleging they were involved. There is no evidence whatsoever that they were. If british police thought for one second they were they would be arrested. Remember the legal action by lord mcalpine after folk posted false allegations about him on facebook. I think the either folk need to be careful what they put in public forums having thoughts is one thing but making unproven allegations on a public forum is a disaster waiting to happen and perhaps admin need to remind those making accusations that they are potentially breaking the law and in addition mods by allowing such comments are at risk." Although free speech and press release means we're able to make theories and speculate as it's only talking between ourselves there's nothing even slightly illegal. But it does seem with evidence provided which is minimal does point to the parents | |||
"Imagine if they found. Maddie alive Which would be great But What is The likelihood of Still being able to Speak English That would, of course, be a disaster of epic proportion. How, in the 21st century, anyone can expect to live a happy and fulfilling life and not be able to speak English is beyond my comprehension." dunno, you guys up there, and brummies, seem to do alright lol | |||
" I think the either folk need to be careful what they put in public forums having thoughts is one thing but making unproven allegations on a public forum is a disaster waiting to happen and perhaps admin need to remind those making accusations that they are potentially breaking the law and in addition mods by allowing such comments are at risk." Mods can only advise people, just like you did | |||
" I think the either folk need to be careful what they put in public forums having thoughts is one thing but making unproven allegations on a public forum is a disaster waiting to happen and perhaps admin need to remind those making accusations that they are potentially breaking the law and in addition mods by allowing such comments are at risk. Mods can only advise people, just like you did "If cops had slightest inkling mcanns involved they would have been dealt with fact is they have not been so to me its that simple. Portugese police have lot to answer for in my eyes as the initial investigation leaves lot to be desired. | |||
"Not changed my _iew on bit I hope Maddie is found alive & well But no sympathy at all for the parents - should never have left her alone " i totally agree x | |||
