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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I just had a right rant on the last post and it was shut down!!
So, here is my rant.....maybe people have had their say and all will be quiet!!
Blimey! why is it all the ones who have replied who are obviously on benefit immediately think they are included in the "benefits bashing"??!! Chill! I have read all the posts on here and not one has said that all people on benefits should be tarred with the same brush!
Before you give me a bashing....I worked for 30 years and recently lost my job due to ill health, so I am also on benefits...however, I used to be a benefit fraud investigator, so I have experience from both sides!!!
We are not talking about people who have worked and lost jobs, people who can no longer work due to ill health, people who are full time carers for someone etc....the OP is talking about a BLOODY SCROUNGER who has never and will never work in her life but thinks it is ok to bring more poor children in to this world, paid for by the tax payers (and for those who have said something about this, yes JSA is taxable....but you have to do fuck all for it so what is the point??! Most other benefits are NOT taxable)!
Reading the article (who cares what paper it is in, as we know it is more than likely true!) she has two kids who no longer live with her and ...guess what, they have council houses and are on benefits!!
Yes, OP, there should be a limit of children that this government pays for....other than dragging them in and forcibly sterilising them, there is nothing you can do about the amount they chose to have!
I could rant on forever about this subject (especailly after a few vodkas!) but just wanted to state that it is the government's fault for as long as they pay people like her, the longer people like her will take the piss and accept it!!
Grrrrrr! hic!!x
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The one i heard about(but there are loads of similar cases) have 12 children aged from 11 months up to 21 years,with a 13th child due next month.
they are having the council house where they live knocked through to the next door house to give them mnore space to breed!,they have lived in the house for 7 years and neighbours say they have had a child every year,the pair say they keep having children because it helps with her depression.
the jobless guy says if he wants more children ,he will have them and its not got anything to do with us!,thats ok but why are we expected to feed,clothe and house them?,surely its a parents job to do that for their own family?.
if the forums resident left wing readers of the daily mirror,socialist worker etc doubt these figures?,let them go to ipswich to clarify the position for us. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I just had a right rant on the last post and it was shut down!!
So, here is my rant.....maybe people have had their say and all will be quiet!!
Blimey! why is it all the ones who have replied who are obviously on benefit immediately think they are included in the "benefits bashing"??!! Chill! I have read all the posts on here and not one has said that all people on benefits should be tarred with the same brush!
Before you give me a bashing....I worked for 30 years and recently lost my job due to ill health, so I am also on benefits...however, I used to be a benefit fraud investigator, so I have experience from both sides!!!
We are not talking about people who have worked and lost jobs, people who can no longer work due to ill health, people who are full time carers for someone etc....the OP is talking about a BLOODY SCROUNGER who has never and will never work in her life but thinks it is ok to bring more poor children in to this world, paid for by the tax payers (and for those who have said something about this, yes JSA is taxable....but you have to do fuck all for it so what is the point??! Most other benefits are NOT taxable)!
Reading the article (who cares what paper it is in, as we know it is more than likely true!) she has two kids who no longer live with her and ...guess what, they have council houses and are on benefits!!
Yes, OP, there should be a limit of children that this government pays for....other than dragging them in and forcibly sterilising them, there is nothing you can do about the amount they chose to have!
I could rant on forever about this subject (especailly after a few vodkas!) but just wanted to state that it is the government's fault for as long as they pay people like her, the longer people like her will take the piss and accept it!!
Grrrrrr! hic!!x
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my sentiments exactly. Could not agree more. Now dont get me started on immigration..... |
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What causes the outrage ?
We have systems in our country.
The system won't give claimants one penny more than they are entitled to.
This is all just noise.
If emotions were under control and energies were transformed into actions and aimed at the system rather than screaming at claimants we might get somewhere.
Sometimes it's like watching a stoning in here. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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the thing that I find hard to come to terms is, if you are on benefits and actually need them to support yourself then why bring children into the world knowing full well that you do not have the financial security to keep them healthy and well.
I understand that people want to have children and they yearn for them, but what good is having a child let alone many more if you cannot look after yourself?
Also I'm wondering, if the clowns in the big house in London made it even more difficult for people to have benefits how many would opt to still have them if they knew the government would NOT hand out a penny. I know of a good few people (through the job that I used to do) that were happy to have child after child because they knew that they would get lots of benefits and eventually a bigger house with whatever they wanted, and the council had their hands tied because the ones applying for the benefits knew the law and rules inside out.
To a lot it really does seem like having children is a business and a means to an end which unfortunately tars genuine folk that have fallen into hardship with the same brush. |
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Why does everyone assume that 'breeders without finance' are 'breeders with brains' or 'breeders with conscience'?
Some are ignorant of the consequences.
They don't all go to uni , get degrees in finance , sociology, psychology n world politics and then say .... Fuck it im not working , im going to screw the system. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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OP, please get one thing right first, the last thread was closed because it reached the limit of a thread at 175 posts, and not because of your last post.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What causes the outrage ?
We have systems in our country.
The system won't give claimants one penny more than they are entitled to.
This is all just noise.
If emotions were under control and energies were transformed into actions and aimed at the system rather than screaming at claimants we might get somewhere.
Sometimes it's like watching a stoning in here. "
Hang on...... How are people who don't contribute to society entitled to anything at all?
I always struggle with this concept. Anyone care to justify it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The O.P never said the thread was shut down BECAUSE of her post.
She said she'd just finished typing a rant and the thread shut down.
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That's not how I read it, and my post still stands after re-reading the first sentence of the first post of this thread.  |
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"The O.P never said the thread was shut down BECAUSE of her post.
She said she'd just finished typing a rant and the thread shut down.
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That's not how I read it, and my post still stands after re-reading the first sentence of the first post of this thread. "
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"What causes the outrage ?
We have systems in our country.
The system won't give claimants one penny more than they are entitled to.
This is all just noise.
If emotions were under control and energies were transformed into actions and aimed at the system rather than screaming at claimants we might get somewhere.
Sometimes it's like watching a stoning in here.
Hang on...... How are people who don't contribute to society entitled to anything at all?
I always struggle with this concept. Anyone care to justify it?"
We cannot say if anyone is contributing to society. Ther are many ways they could be contributing other than financial.
The system was set up to stop people living in absolute poverty.
It was not set up as a savings club whereby those that paid in got some back .....
It was to help the whole community/society.
Now the paid ins HATE the haven't paid ins |
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Weren't the government going to introduce a cap on benefits? If that's the case surely the 'breeders' will need to work to feed themselves and their kids especially with food prices and utility bills on the rise |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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the only people who the cap has affected is people like myself with normal sized families. My housing benefit is £140 short of my rent due to the tiny box that is my third bedroom. That's equvelant to a fortnights jsa! A 2bed house btw costs the same in rent as a 3bed here, that's if U can find a 2bed.
I could also have a winge about the csa I don't get..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I suppose this post does show how the press can cause opinions to be divided on subjects like this.
In a modern day society is not incumbent that the fortunate seek to assist those less fortunate? Last time I looked at the statute book having x number of kids was not a crime?
In the scheme of things these "benefit careers" stories are few and far between and the press in which they appear seek to sell copy and do just that with sensational nonsense. We are a civilised society and perhaps if we spent more on education, health and social restricting and be less ready to bomb other countries (recent Syria crisis attests) we maybe able to seek a balanced _iew on such matters?
On the subject case I pay my taxes (a lot!) but would not sleep at night if I thought that any child was denied his or her human rights because they happened to be born to parents who exercised their rights to have a large family. Perhaps I am a middle class bleeding heart liberal? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"There was the story in the papers about a family with 12 kids and the woman was pregnant with her 13th. Both parents long term benefit claimants.
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I'm sure I saw a story about a woman whose on her 14th, maybe her 15th.
Any advance? |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"There was the story in the papers about a family with 12 kids and the woman was pregnant with her 13th. Both parents long term benefit claimants.
I'm sure I saw a story about a woman whose on her 14th, maybe her 15th.
Any advance?"
There was an old woman who lived in a shoe.
She had so many children, she didn't know what to do;
She gave them some broth without any bread;
Then whipped them all soundly and put them to bed.
aye she had loads more.... |
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By *ohohoWoman
over a year ago
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"What causes the outrage ?
We have systems in our country.
The system won't give claimants one penny more than they are entitled to.
This is all just noise.
If emotions were under control and energies were transformed into actions and aimed at the system rather than screaming at claimants we might get somewhere.
Sometimes it's like watching a stoning in here. "
Granny you are right. It's not the people. It's the system. As a country we don't challenge them enough. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I dont know how the system works, as I dont have kids.
But the way I see it, if you want them, you should pay for them. Get Child Benefit or whatever it is for the first 2 and after that, you're on your own. Why the fuck should the state pay for them?
I personally think an IQ test should be done on everyone at an early age and the really thick ones be sterilised!
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its simple . limit family benifits to the first two children . and i mean all benefits . this could come into effect from the 1ST of jan say 2014. While it wont stop the current claims it will of course stop future claims but this splinless goverment and the next will be shit scared of there human rights ,and role over with you the tax payer footing the bill,. The only reason that large familys are here is simply for money to spend not on the children but on lifes luxires that a honest working family cant afford . if you cant afford them dont have them its really a simple choice . |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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But the way I see it, if you want them, you should pay for them. Get Child Benefit or whatever it is for the first 2 and after that, you're on your own. Why the fuck should the state pay for them?
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When you say 'or whatever', does that include not paying for education or healthcare beyond the second child? |
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Right. First we change the system so you only get benefits for the first 3 or 4 children.
Secondly as that will take so long to get sorted out any one with 5 children who are on benifits gets sterilised as do any second generation benifits claimants and chavs...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I just had a right rant on the last post and it was shut down!!
So, here is my rant.....maybe people have had their say and all will be quiet!!
Blimey! why is it all the ones who have replied who are obviously on benefit immediately think they are included in the "benefits bashing"??!! Chill! I have read all the posts on here and not one has said that all people on benefits should be tarred with the same brush!
Before you give me a bashing....I worked for 30 years and recently lost my job due to ill health, so I am also on benefits...however, I used to be a benefit fraud investigator, so I have experience from both sides!!!
We are not talking about people who have worked and lost jobs, people who can no longer work due to ill health, people who are full time carers for someone etc....the OP is talking about a BLOODY SCROUNGER who has never and will never work in her life but thinks it is ok to bring more poor children in to this world, paid for by the tax payers (and for those who have said something about this, yes JSA is taxable....but you have to do fuck all for it so what is the point??! Most other benefits are NOT taxable)!
Reading the article (who cares what paper it is in, as we know it is more than likely true!) she has two kids who no longer live with her and ...guess what, they have council houses and are on benefits!!
Yes, OP, there should be a limit of children that this government pays for....other than dragging them in and forcibly sterilising them, there is nothing you can do about the amount they chose to have!
I could rant on forever about this subject (especailly after a few vodkas!) but just wanted to state that it is the government's fault for as long as they pay people like her, the longer people like her will take the piss and accept it!!
Grrrrrr! hic!!x
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Well bloody said! |
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"Right. First we change the system so you only get benefits for the first 3 or 4 children.
Secondly as that will take so long to get sorted out any one with 5 children who are on benifits gets sterilised as do any second generation benifits claimants and chavs... "
You should run for parliment at the next election |
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Just wondering what's gonna happen to these kids that are brought into the world by these parents who then cannot claim for them and then they have no money for food, milk, clothes etc?
Yes I agree that people shouldn't keep popping out child after child and expect handout after handout when they have no intention of working but it's not the kids fault is it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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if a family receive a £1000 a week, they spend a £1000 a week, helping local economy, chip shop, bingo hall and offy, so all the money comes back into the government coffers, mostly in taxation, so whats all the fuss about?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just wondering what's gonna happen to these kids that are brought into the world by these parents who then cannot claim for them and then they have no money for food, milk, clothes etc?
Yes I agree that people shouldn't keep popping out child after child and expect handout after handout when they have no intention of working but it's not the kids fault is it? "
Exactly what I said in previous thread! Children will get neglected and took into care which will cost more in the long run
All benefit claimants are getting tarred with the same brush! Not all people who have kids and claiming want to be! Some people have worked their whole lives and are made redundant! What happens then only pay for the first couple of children? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its the system thats flawed not the people !! Furthermore no offence but we all sit around bitching about how it should change but never actually take any direct or indirect action to change it ! |
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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago
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"I dont know how the system works, as I dont have kids.
But the way I see it, if you want them, you should pay for them. Get Child Benefit or whatever it is for the first 2 and after that, you're on your own. Why the fuck should the state pay for them?
I personally think an IQ test should be done on everyone at an early age and the really thick ones be sterilised!
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Sounds like this is something they already do in the south west |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I dont know how the system works, as I dont have kids.
But the way I see it, if you want them, you should pay for them. Get Child Benefit or whatever it is for the first 2 and after that, you're on your own. Why the fuck should the state pay for them?
I personally think an IQ test should be done on everyone at an early age and the really thick ones be sterilised!
Sounds like this is something they already do in the south west "
WTF ???  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I dont know how the system works, as I dont have kids.
But the way I see it, if you want them, you should pay for them. Get Child Benefit or whatever it is for the first 2 and after that, you're on your own. Why the fuck should the state pay for them?
I personally think an IQ test should be done on everyone at an early age and the really thick ones be sterilised!
Sounds like this is something they already do in the south west "
This is disgusting!! Just because people aren't clever doesn't mean they can't be good parents!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Government to blame for state of country and afraid it's never going get better only worse, just a shame people in power don't listen to everydays people's opinions on subjects like this and immigration. Does make your blood boil |
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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago
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"I dont know how the system works, as I dont have kids.
But the way I see it, if you want them, you should pay for them. Get Child Benefit or whatever it is for the first 2 and after that, you're on your own. Why the fuck should the state pay for them?
I personally think an IQ test should be done on everyone at an early age and the really thick ones be sterilised!
Sounds like this is something they already do in the south west
This is disgusting!! Just because people aren't clever doesn't mean they can't be good parents!!"
Exactly which is why I quoted it. It's not me who is saying to do it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I dont know how the system works, as I dont have kids.
But the way I see it, if you want them, you should pay for them. Get Child Benefit or whatever it is for the first 2 and after that, you're on your own. Why the fuck should the state pay for them?
I personally think an IQ test should be done on everyone at an early age and the really thick ones be sterilised!
Sounds like this is something they already do in the south west "
sounds like a good idea, but people with high IQs dont always make better parents and its easy to judge how people bring up their kids when they havnt had any, as you get older you learn more, and learn by your mistakes also. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I dont know how the system works, as I dont have kids.
But the way I see it, if you want them, you should pay for them. Get Child Benefit or whatever it is for the first 2 and after that, you're on your own. Why the fuck should the state pay for them?
I personally think an IQ test should be done on everyone at an early age and the really thick ones be sterilised!
Sounds like this is something they already do in the south west
This is disgusting!! Just because people aren't clever doesn't mean they can't be good parents!!
Exactly which is why I quoted it. It's not me who is saying to do it "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I dont know how the system works, as I dont have kids.
But the way I see it, if you want them, you should pay for them. Get Child Benefit or whatever it is for the first 2 and after that, you're on your own. Why the fuck should the state pay for them?
I personally think an IQ test should be done on everyone at an early age and the really thick ones be sterilised!
Sounds like this is something they already do in the south west
This is disgusting!! Just because people aren't clever doesn't mean they can't be good parents!!
Exactly which is why I quoted it. It's not me who is saying to do it "
Im still trying to work out why you have brought the south west into it ?? |
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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago
In Your Bush |
"I dont know how the system works, as I dont have kids.
But the way I see it, if you want them, you should pay for them. Get Child Benefit or whatever it is for the first 2 and after that, you're on your own. Why the fuck should the state pay for them?
I personally think an IQ test should be done on everyone at an early age and the really thick ones be sterilised!
Sounds like this is something they already do in the south west
This is disgusting!! Just because people aren't clever doesn't mean they can't be good parents!!
Exactly which is why I quoted it. It's not me who is saying to do it
Im still trying to work out why you have brought the south west into it ?? "
That's where the person who said it was from. Never mind it's a whoosh moment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I dont know how the system works, as I dont have kids.
But the way I see it, if you want them, you should pay for them. Get Child Benefit or whatever it is for the first 2 and after that, you're on your own. Why the fuck should the state pay for them?
I personally think an IQ test should be done on everyone at an early age and the really thick ones be sterilised!
Sounds like this is something they already do in the south west
This is disgusting!! Just because people aren't clever doesn't mean they can't be good parents!!
Exactly which is why I quoted it. It's not me who is saying to do it
Im still trying to work out why you have brought the south west into it ??
That's where the person who said it was from. Never mind it's a whoosh moment. "
Fine but dont generalise the south west because of one persons comment thanks. |
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"if a family receive a £1000 a week, they spend a £1000 a week, helping local economy, chip shop, bingo hall and offy, so all the money comes back into the government coffers, mostly in taxation, so whats all the fuss about??"
that is the funniest post i have ever read on here  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just wondering what's gonna happen to these kids that are brought into the world by these parents who then cannot claim for them and then they have no money for food, milk, clothes etc?
Yes I agree that people shouldn't keep popping out child after child and expect handout after handout when they have no intention of working but it's not the kids fault is it? "
i think the idea is if they cap benefits people will think before having kids, at the moment theres nothing to make keep having kids look unattractive, the more you have the more money you get, where as if they cap benefits at say 3 kids once people have 3 they may think twice about having more if they wont get more money
im not saying this will work im just saying i think that's the idea behind it, to make people think and take consequence for their actions |
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I believe in china after the 2nd child there's steralisation...due to over population etc...could be wrong but sure I've seen it somewhere.
anyway...i'm fortunate enough to be in a position where ive always worked, never been on benefit or in any debt. I make considerably above the avg UK wage...i was brought up to work to pay my way.
im fortunate...i still need to live on a budget and make sacrifices...
What boils my p##s is the ppl expect something for nothing...still smoke 20 a day at 7quid a pack, have sky, big tv , laptops etc etc and claim they are hard done by as they don't get 'enough benefit' or my personal favorite the 'carer' someone who can barely look themselves 'caring for' someone else usually 2 alcoholics etc....Wtf
Id never grudge anyone benefit who genuinely needs it but those who take the piss...forget it.
Instead if cash in their pockets give them vouchers that can only be redeemed for essentials not luxury items |
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"if a family receive a £1000 a week, they spend a £1000 a week, helping local economy, chip shop, bingo hall and offy, so all the money comes back into the government coffers, mostly in taxation, so whats all the fuss about??
that is the funniest post i have ever read on here "
Must admit it did make me laugh as well |
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By (user no longer on site)
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There is nothing wrong with the current benefit system it's the unscrupulous people who take advantage of them, that is the problem.
We are mainly talking about people from the lower end of our society and that's not putting them down btw. It's all about education some young girls have little chance from an early age.
Their parents tell them to forget about school it's a waste of time,you won't get a job anyway. Just fall pregnant asap when leaving school and then you get a flat. After that have another child and then you will be offered a house.
This goes on still in the lower classes and it's just the accepted thing. It's all about education these girls know no better and the past generations in their families,are to blame.
Untill these girls realize that they have choices in life,i fear this vicious circle will never end and I actually feel sorry for such girls,not hostility. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Instead if cash in their pockets give them vouchers that can only be redeemed for essentials not luxury items "
See this I think is awful idea and would increase the stigma for those that have no choice even more.
I am so glad my kids school don't give tokens out for free school dinners as it points them out...
And to be honest milk tokens can be exchanged for cash. I see it every time I'm in my local shop. People swapping them for money off other stuff...
And how would the people pay bills... ?
Even though it would affect me I think not allowing new children to be added at the same rate would be the best. Maybe after 3, only give food and clothing vouchers for the extra children.
That way kids are looked after but no extra cash to the family.
I get rent and council tax and school dinners... That in itself equals 200quid a week. So can see how it would be easy to get the figures...
Although because I am a carer I get money taken off my income support.but I get paid 59 quid a week to be a carer, if my daughter has respite care, it's more than that a day.
So actually right now... Me not working is cheaper than paying for her to be in a home..
I know I'm maybe not included in the rants.. but what I am saying is it's easy for the amounts to add up on paper, but the actual amount in my hand is considerably less. |
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"I believe in china after the 2nd child there's steralisation...due to over population etc...could be wrong but sure I've seen it somewhere.
anyway...i'm fortunate enough to be in a position where ive always worked, never been on benefit or in any debt. I make considerably above the avg UK wage...i was brought up to work to pay my way.
im fortunate...i still need to live on a budget and make sacrifices...
What boils my p##s is the ppl expect something for nothing...still smoke 20 a day at 7quid a pack, have sky, big tv , laptops etc etc and claim they are hard done by as they don't get 'enough benefit' or my personal favorite the 'carer' someone who can barely look themselves 'caring for' someone else usually 2 alcoholics etc....Wtf
Id never grudge anyone benefit who genuinely needs it but those who take the piss...forget it.
Instead if cash in their pockets give them vouchers that can only be redeemed for essentials not luxury items "
i agree, we all hit hard times and people who have been made redundant and looking for a new job need help, that's what the systems for
what gets me are people like the family i used to live next door to who had 5 kids and neither worked yet they both smoked and went out every weekend. my eldest daughter used to babysitting for them and they would pay her £20 a night every Friday and Saturday without fail, how can people who don't work afford £40 a week babysitting, and that's before the fag and drink money for the weekend, i know people who work 40 hour a week who couldn't afford that, it just don't seem right to me |
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"Right. First we change the system so you only get benefits for the first 3 or 4 children.
Secondly as that will take so long to get sorted out any one with 5 children who are on benifits gets sterilised as do any second generation benifits claimants and chavs... "
please say your use of the word chav is some sort of ironic joke that I'm just not intelligent enough to understand. |
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It's pathetic how single mums are judged!
I am a single mum, never planned to be single but life doesn't always go as planned. I claim benefits to support me and my children but only because there is no jobs I can find, that I can work around my children. Most employers are not going to pick me if they have others with the same qualifications are they?! And ofcourse I can't blame them, if my children are ill and can't go to nursery means I can't go to work as there's no one else to look after them
I can also say I do not have sky, no broadband, I don't smoke and very rarely drink! Yes I have a nice tv which my parents bought me but if I want my children to have decent stuff I have to save. I've been putting money aside for Xmas for months because it's the only way I will be able to afford it. All us 'benefit scroungers' don't have the best stuff! I want to work and show my 2 little ones what hard work is but i can't find a job! So surely as people on here have said I should not receive any help and my children should go without the necessities?!
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The erroneous idea here is that if you remove benefits poor people will cease having kids.
If that were the case, why do people still have them in Africa or India, or indeed this country prior to the welfare state.
Personally, I start my political conviction from a point further on than workhouses and begging children in the streets.
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"There is nothing wrong with the current benefit system it's the unscrupulous people who take advantage of them, that is the problem.
We are mainly talking about people from the lower end of our society and that's not putting them down btw. It's all about education some young girls have little chance from an early age.
Their parents tell them to forget about school it's a waste of time,you won't get a job anyway. Just fall pregnant asap when leaving school and then you get a flat. After that have another child and then you will be offered a house.
This goes on still in the lower classes and it's just the accepted thing. It's all about education these girls know no better and the past generations in their families,are to blame.
Untill these girls realize that they have choices in life,i fear this vicious circle will never end and I actually feel sorry for such girls,not hostility."
you've now got the next generation of family coming through thinking it normal and acceptable to live on benefits because there parents have...... The system needs to change to stop generations and generations abusing the system |
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".............
you've now got the next generation of family coming through thinking it normal and acceptable to live on benefits because there parents have...... The system needs to change to stop generations and generations abusing the system "
They may well have to. There ain't going to be any jobs any time soon. |
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"There is nothing wrong with the current benefit system it's the unscrupulous people who take advantage of them, that is the problem.
We are mainly talking about people from the lower end of our society and that's not putting them down btw. It's all about education some young girls have little chance from an early age.
Their parents tell them to forget about school it's a waste of time,you won't get a job anyway. Just fall pregnant asap when leaving school and then you get a flat. After that have
another child and then you will be offered a house.
This goes on still in the lower classes and it's just the accepted thing. It's all about education these girls know no better and the past generations in their families,are to blame.
Untill these girls realize that they have choices in life,i fear this vicious circle will never end and I actually feel sorry for such girls,not hostility.
you've now got the next generation of family coming through thinking it normal and acceptable to live on benefits because there parents have...... The system needs to change to stop
generations and generations abusing the system "
So let's have generations of slum-dwellers starving to death? |
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"There is nothing wrong with the current benefit system it's the unscrupulous people who take advantage of them, that is the problem.
We are mainly talking about people from the lower end of our society and that's not putting them down btw. It's all about education some young girls have little chance from an early age.
Their parents tell them to forget about school it's a waste of time,you won't get a job anyway. Just fall pregnant asap when leaving school and then you get a flat. After that have
another child and then you will be offered a house.
This goes on still in the lower classes and it's just the accepted thing. It's all about education these girls know no better and the past generations in their families,are to blame.
Untill these girls realize that they have choices in life,i fear this vicious circle will never end and I actually feel sorry for such girls,not hostility.
you've now got the next generation of family coming through thinking it normal and acceptable to live on benefits because there parents have...... The system needs to change to stop
generations and generations abusing the system
So let's have generations of slum-dwellers starving to death? "
what a great idea, why didn't i think of that |
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there's always jobs sometimes its a matter of swallowing pride and doing the jobs our European chums do......as for the 'slum dwellers' rations are the answer |
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Why...... WHY
do those sexist , misogynistic , degrading and humiliating tomes of utter shite about women and in particular single mothers keep getting trolled out?
Women have babies to get more benefit....??
Young girls are labelled as failures and so encouraged to get pregnant ??
What sane adult believes this ?
Can I remind the peddlars of such non starters that behind , on top of , underneath EVERY womb is a fucking bag of sperm.
Stop blaming women. |
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"Why...... WHY
do those sexist , misogynistic , degrading and humiliating tomes of utter shite about women and in particular single mothers keep getting trolled out?
Women have babies to get more benefit....??
Young girls are labelled as failures and so encouraged to get pregnant ??
What sane adult believes this ?
Can I remind the peddlars of such non starters that behind , on top of , underneath EVERY womb is a fucking bag of sperm.
Stop blaming women. "
just for the record im not blaming women im blaming a government for breeding a generation of scroungers who think they entiled to something for nothing and want to live the champagne lifestyle but on beer money |
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you've now got the next generation of family coming through thinking it normal and acceptable to live on benefits because there parents have...... The system needs to change to stop generations and generations abusing the system
They may well have to. There ain't going to be any jobs any time soon."
which seems to be the point many people are missing |
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"Why...... WHY
do those sexist , misogynistic , degrading and humiliating tomes of utter shite about women and in particular single mothers keep getting trolled out?
Women have babies to get more benefit....??
Young girls are labelled as failures and so encouraged to get pregnant ??
What sane adult believes this ?
Can I remind the peddlars of such non starters that behind , on top of , underneath EVERY womb is a fucking bag of sperm.
Stop blaming women. just for the record im not blaming women im blaming a government for breeding a generation of scroungers who think they entiled to something for nothing and want to live the champagne lifestyle but on beer money "
a generation of scroungers eh. Look around at the current generation, working in supermarkets, pubs, offices, open your eyes to the majority stop concentrating on the minority. |
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"Tell me ......
How can I live a champagne lifestyle on beer money ?
By cutting out the coupons ?"
lol, yes didn't you know that "they" are giving out vouchers now to all the scrounging chavs to get champagne |
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".............
you've now got the next generation of family coming through thinking it normal and acceptable to live on benefits because there parents have...... The system needs to change to stop generations and generations abusing the system
They may well have to. There ain't going to be any jobs any time soon.
which seems to be the point many people are missing"
People believe what they want to believe wether its true or not. |
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"there's always jobs sometimes its a matter of swallowing pride and doing the jobs our European chums do......as for the 'slum dwellers' rations are the answer"
i agree with that
the problem is unqualified people want qualified pay and that's just not going to happen
i've heard people say things like, i'm not working in McDonalds, or i'm not working for £6.19 a hour, so for a lot its not that they cant find a job its that they don't want the only jobs they are able to do, if you want qualified pay get a qualification
and these are usually the people who moan about the immigrants taking all the jobs, like they would be doing them if the immigrants wasn't |
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you've now got the next generation of family coming through thinking it normal and acceptable to live on benefits because there parents have...... The system needs to change to stop generations and generations abusing the system
They may well have to. There ain't going to be any jobs any time soon.
which seems to be the point many people are missing
People believe what they want to believe wether its true or not."
you and I don't very often see eye to eye Ena but on this we do |
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I work yes...i haven't felt the recession....yes im lucky....i also work in an industry that people would give their right arm to be in... A lot of money is invested in the workforce but unfortunately we're in a generation where people feel.they are owed something and when it comes down to hard hard graft to get where they want to be their backbone collapses... Why because a majority of the younger population have no concept of work ethic |
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My sons got qualifications and in the past he has taken jobs which he was overqualified for in offices, some of the people he worked for knew less than him so he tried to be helpful and give them advice only they didnt like it and got rid of him, he is looking for a job doing anything but there just arent any.
It seems if your a woman and the boss fancies you, you might get the job even if you cant spell properly, or not that bright. |
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"Why because a majority of the younger population have no concept of work ethic
on what do you base this assertion?
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as I say the industry I work in...ive seen many a young lad be keen in getting a start but very very quickly change to a lazy work shy person who is ungrateful and think something is owed to them...yes there is a few who break the mould but unfortunately they appear to be few and far between |
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"Why because a majority of the younger population have no concept of work ethic
on what do you base this assertion?
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i always told my kids i would not keep them as adults, living under my roof on benefits was not an option, they either got a job or staid in education, it worked they are both at uni and both working part time jobs as well, of course if their life had taken a different path i wouldnt have really booted them out but its not done them any harm thinking i would, they are both doing very well |
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"Why because a majority of the younger population have no concept of work ethic
on what do you base this assertion?
as I say the industry I work in...ive seen many a young lad be keen in getting a start but very very quickly change to a lazy work shy person who is ungrateful and think something is owed to them...yes there is a few who break the mould but unfortunately they appear to be few and far between "
How well were these young lads treated, were they underpaid, why should they be grateful, shouldnt you be grateful to them also? Some young people are lazy, but certainly not all. |
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"Why because a majority of the younger population have no concept of work ethic
on what do you base this assertion?
as I say the industry I work in...ive seen many a young lad be keen in getting a start but very very quickly change to a lazy work shy person who is ungrateful and think something is owed to them...yes there is a few who break the mould but unfortunately they appear to be few and far between
How well were these young lads treated, were they underpaid, why should they be grateful, shouldnt you be grateful to them also? Some young people are lazy, but certainly not all."
i must admit i don't think people should be grateful to their employer, its a two way relationship you need each other and should work together not expect gratitude |
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"Why because a majority of the younger population have no concept of work ethic
on what do you base this assertion?
as I say the industry I work in...ive seen many a young lad be keen in getting a start but very very quickly change to a lazy work shy person who is ungrateful and think something is owed to them...yes there is a few who break the mould but unfortunately they appear to be few and far between "
its hardly a scientific study though is it? I think we should be very careful of branding all or even the majority of young people as workshy because in my experience of the field in which I work the majority of young people are far from it. I see them working weekends and evenings while studying, working as apprentices all week and then doing cleaning jobs at weekends to supplement their income, mapping out life plans and making positive moves to achieve them and so on. To brand the majority of an entire generation in that way is counter productive and untrue...in my opinion and experience. |
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on what do you base this assertion?
as I say the industry I work in...ive seen many a young lad be keen in getting a start but very very quickly change to a lazy work shy person who is ungrateful and think something is owed to them...yes there is a few who break the mould but unfortunately they appear to be few and far between
How well were these young lads treated, were they underpaid, why should they be grateful, shouldnt you be grateful to them also? Some young people are lazy, but certainly not all.
i must admit i don't think people should be grateful to their employer, its a two way relationship you need each other and should work together not expect gratitude "
yes this is true its a two way street. I've seen some horrible things done to apprentices because employers think they are the lowest of the low and should be grateful. |
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"Why because a majority of the younger population have no concept of work ethic
on what do you base this assertion?
as I say the industry I work in...ive seen many a young lad be keen in getting a start but very very quickly change to a lazy work shy person who is ungrateful and think something is owed to them...yes there is a few who break the mould but unfortunately they appear to be few and far between
How well were these young lads treated, were they underpaid, why should they be grateful, shouldnt you be grateful to them also? Some young people are lazy, but certainly not all.
i must admit i don't think people should be grateful to their employer, its a two way relationship you need each other and should work together not expect gratitude
yes this is true its a two way street. I've seen some horrible things done to apprentices because employers think they are the lowest of the low and should be grateful."
when my eldest daughter first left school she went to work in a office on an apprenticeship, the woman who managed the office used to call her up and ask my daughter to come down to her, she was two flights down and when my daughter got there she would say things like, can you put this in the bin for me, which was 2 foot away from her then let her go back up and call her again and ask her to pass the hole punch that was on the other side of the desk and my daughter said she could hear them all laughing at her when she left the room, some employers can be real twat to young people, being only 16 at the time she didn't have the confidence to say no so kept doing what they asked, running up and down stairs all day doing stupid jobs for the amusement till i stopped her going in and she went back to school on 6th form |
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over a year ago
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"Why...... WHY
do those sexist , misogynistic , degrading and humiliating tomes of utter shite about women and in particular single mothers keep getting trolled out?
Women have babies to get more benefit....??
Young girls are labelled as failures and so encouraged to get pregnant ??
What sane adult believes this ?
Can I remind the peddlars of such non starters that behind , on top of , underneath EVERY womb is a fucking bag of sperm.
Stop blaming women. just for the record im not blaming women im blaming a government for breeding a generation of scroungers who think they entiled to something for nothing and want to live the champagne lifestyle but on beer money "
£1,000 a week, if true, sounds like champagne money to me. |
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"Why because a majority of the younger population have no concept of work ethic
on what do you base this assertion?
i always told my kids i would not keep them as adults, living under my roof on benefits was not an option, they either got a job or staid in education, it worked they are both at uni and both working part time jobs as well, of course if their life had taken a different path i wouldnt have really booted them out but its not done them any harm thinking i would, they are both doing very well "
Same , my mum did that. I was in jsa after Uni for about six weeks. There was no "wait for your perfect job that your qualified for " it was you get a job. Waitress , cleaner I've done it all! Working class hardwork never killed anyone! Lots of my 20something friends are in benefits and the reason ? Because they can. |
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on what do you base this assertion?
as I say the industry I work in...ive seen many a young lad be keen in getting a start but very very quickly change to a lazy work shy person who is ungrateful and think something is owed to them...yes there is a few who break the mould but unfortunately they appear to be few and far between
How well were these young lads treated, were they underpaid, why should they be grateful, shouldnt you be grateful to them also? Some young people are lazy, but certainly not all.
i must admit i don't think people should be grateful to their employer, its a two way relationship you need each other and should work together not expect gratitude
yes this is true its a two way street. I've seen some horrible things done to apprentices because employers think they are the lowest of the low and should be grateful.
when my eldest daughter first left school she went to work in a office on an apprenticeship, the woman who managed the office used to call her up and ask my daughter to come down to her, she was two flights down and when my daughter got there she would say things like, can you put this in the bin for me, which was 2 foot away from her then let her go back up and call her again and ask her to pass the hole punch that was on the other side of the desk and my daughter said she could hear them all laughing at her when she left the room, some employers can be real twat to young people, being only 16 at the time she didn't have the confidence to say no so kept doing what they asked, running up and down stairs all day doing stupid jobs for the amusement till i stopped her going in and she went back to school on 6th form"
This isn't uncommon and I've seen worse. Their assessor should be informed if things are going that way and if no action is taken the governing body, it often isn't the employer but individuals withn an organisation. |
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The biggest problem with this country,is every government since the late 70s has decided not to invest in industry.
We now have an almost entire economy built on the service industry.
You can only have so many people flicking burgers and staffing tills on full time employment.
Hence the huge rise in "ZERO" hours contracts.
Its fine to have every single child go into further education and get lots of qualifications.
How qualified do you need to be to operate a checkout at "TESCO" on zero hours contract for minimum wage ????.
What the country needs is investment in industry,not getting the people to turn on each other, to hide away from the fact that, those in power have no idea what they are doing.
The present and the previous government, are more than happy to let us fight amongst each other.
Stops us from looking to close at what they are not doing to help anyone.
We must be the only G8 country, that has the red cross helping out with food distribution.
Says an awful lot about those in power,and their lack of action in tackling any of the countries problems.
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do those sexist , misogynistic , degrading and humiliating tomes of utter shite about women and in particular single mothers keep getting trolled out?
Women have babies to get more benefit....??
Young girls are labelled as failures and so encouraged to get pregnant ??
What sane adult believes this ?
Can I remind the peddlars of such non starters that behind , on top of , underneath EVERY womb is a fucking bag of sperm.
Stop blaming women. just for the record im not blaming women im blaming a government for breeding a generation of scroungers who think they entiled to something for nothing and want to live the champagne lifestyle but on beer money
£1,000 a week, if true, sounds like champagne money to me."
Between how many ? No ONE person gets that. |
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over a year ago
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"Why...... WHY
do those sexist , misogynistic , degrading and humiliating tomes of utter shite about women and in particular single mothers keep getting trolled out?
Women have babies to get more benefit....??
Young girls are labelled as failures and so encouraged to get pregnant ??
What sane adult believes this ?
Can I remind the peddlars of such non starters that behind , on top of , underneath EVERY womb is a fucking bag of sperm.
Stop blaming women. just for the record im not blaming women im blaming a government for breeding a generation of scroungers who think they entiled to something for nothing and want to live the champagne lifestyle but on beer money
£1,000 a week, if true, sounds like champagne money to me.
Between how many ? No ONE person gets that."
I did say 'if true' but leaving that aside - are any of the kids old enough to drink? |
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We must be the only G8 country, that has the red cross helping out with food distribution.
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Not just us. America too. Possibly others."
Well that makes me feel a whole lot better then.
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"Sterilisation????? Can people actually hear themselves?
And more importantly, can they hear the echoes of the 30s?"
now you really cant use that as a excuse for lazy sex or knowing that you can get free handouts for doing nothing all your life while the tax payer foots the bill . Im surprised that we have not yet blaimed the bankers for this topic |
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We must be the only G8 country, that has the red cross helping out with food distribution.
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Not just us. America too. Possibly others.
Well that makes me feel a whole lot better then.
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Ok heres an idea which would never even be considered by the Government..... after a person has paid tax and national insurance for a defined period of years, eg 20, then they should have a say on what their hard earned money is used for... eg healthcare, pensions, military, education, paying benefits. Wonder how many people would want their contributions being spent on benefits.
How about compulsory drug testing before benefits are paid.... and before the onslaught of abuse starts, there are several occupations whereby drug testing is mandatory for employees. It seems only fair that if people have to undergo testing before they can earn money and pay taxes etc some of which go towards benefits then people on the receiving end of the benefits should be tested also.
And yeh I fully agree on the benefits cap being proposed by the government.... its long overdue, why should someone who CHOOSES to sit on their arse doing sweet FA be on more money than than someone who grafts their nuts off |
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"Sterilisation????? Can people actually hear themselves?
Concentration camps and little cyanide pills spring to mind "
Well Compo & Clegg do love the "work sets you free" catch phrase............. |
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"I just had a right rant on the last post and it was shut down!!
So, here is my rant.....maybe people have had their say and all will be quiet!!
Blimey! why is it all the ones who have replied who are obviously on benefit immediately think they are included in the "benefits bashing"??!! Chill! I have read all the posts on here and not one has said that all people on benefits should be tarred with the same brush!
Before you give me a bashing....I worked for 30 years and recently lost my job due to ill health, so I am also on benefits...however, I used to be a benefit fraud investigator, so I have experience from both sides!!!
We are not talking about people who have worked and lost jobs, people who can no longer work due to ill health, people who are full time carers for someone etc....the OP is talking about a BLOODY SCROUNGER who has never and will never work in her life but thinks it is ok to bring more poor children in to this world, paid for by the tax payers (and for those who have said something about this, yes JSA is taxable....but you have to do fuck all for it so what is the point??! Most other benefits are NOT taxable)!
Reading the article (who cares what paper it is in, as we know it is more than likely true!) she has two kids who no longer live with her and ...guess what, they have council houses and are on benefits!!
Yes, OP, there should be a limit of children that this government pays for....other than dragging them in and forcibly sterilising them, there is nothing you can do about the amount they chose to have!
I could rant on forever about this subject (especailly after a few vodkas!) but just wanted to state that it is the government's fault for as long as they pay people like her, the longer people like her will take the piss and accept it!!
Grrrrrr! hic!!x
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"Why because a majority of the younger population have no concept of work ethic
How many generations have said this about the 'younger population' lol"
Every generation, I sound like my parents did... hasnt done me any harm.....
Hey ho' im alright jack |
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You will never get anywere on thus site with this debate, it seems most are on benefits and automatic lyrics presume your having a go at them.
Like I said in past posts, guilty feet have no rhythm. "
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"More holes, more roads more spades get them digging.  "
Them? You can see the flaws in a plan like this can't you? Such as the administration required, the people employed to do the job at wages far higher than benefits pay being put out of work etc. |
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Wow, as always this topic is a "hot potato"!
My question is, when do we stop being "responsible" for these people and let them take account for their own actions? Yes, everyone feels for the poor children born in to this "way of life" and all the comments this has raised have merit....however....if we are always there to sort out their shit in one way or another, the cycle will never be broken.
The government should not make it "easy" to have a life on the dole (and I mean this about the thousands who have NEVER worked and NEVER intend to work) and maybe it will discourage some of them from popping out children if their money is capped after a few.....however, we know that generations of "dole" living ethics are bred from these families, so some thought and money needs to be put in to breaking the cycle. For every 10 families like this, if just one child breaks the cycle, goes and studies, takes a "shitty paid" job etc then this would start a fresh generation of children with different ideals/ethics.
As long as the "bleeding hearts" are there to support every aspect of this type of leeching from society, nobody will have the balls to stand up and say "enough".
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Also, it should not be all about bloody money....how much they may get paid per hour versus how much they receive in benefit........it should be about learning the work ethic and gaining some self respect....earning decent money etc comes with starting at the bottom, learning and bettering yourself it that is what you want.....so what if they come straight out of school and work a shitty job with shitty pay.....how many of us have had to do that in the real world??
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"Also, it should not be all about bloody money....how much they may get paid per hour versus how much they receive in benefit........it should be about learning the work ethic and gaining some self respect....earning decent money etc comes with starting at the bottom, learning and bettering yourself it that is what you want.....so what if they come straight out of school and work a shitty job with shitty pay.....how many of us have had to do that in the real world??
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Lots of school kids work in low paid shitty jobs too. I thought most people did the same, when they were able too? |
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"Also, it should not be all about bloody money....how much they may get paid per hour versus how much they receive in benefit........it should be about learning the work ethic and gaining some self respect....earning decent money etc comes with starting at the bottom, learning and bettering yourself it that is what you want.....so what if they come straight out of school and work a shitty job with shitty pay.....how many of us have had to do that in the real world??
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Lots of school kids work in low paid shitty jobs too. I thought most people did the same, when they were able too?"
I am on about after school....before they sign on the dole!
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But who are you talking about? When I go to the shops I see loads of people working in low paid jobs, lots of them are youngsters. What real world? If you're going to make these claims you need to show actually not anecdotal evidence. |
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"Also, it should not be all about bloody money....how much they may get paid per hour versus how much they receive in benefit........it should be about learning the work ethic and gaining some self respect....earning decent money etc comes with starting at the bottom, learning and bettering yourself it that is what you want.....so what if they come straight out of school and work a shitty job with shitty pay.....how many of us have had to do that in the real world??
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But who are you talking about? When I go to the shops I see loads of people working in low paid jobs, lots of them are youngsters. What real world? If you're going to make these claims you need to show actually not anecdotal evidence."
Sorry I obviously need to clarify...this whole thread is about those who have NEVER worked, not people who are in work??...I am saying those who have never worked kick up excuses like "why should I work for nothing" blah blah....hence my comments.
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"Also, it should not be all about bloody money....how much they may get paid per hour versus how much they receive in benefit........it should be about learning the work ethic and gaining some self respect....earning decent money etc comes with starting at the bottom, learning and bettering yourself it that is what you want.....so what if they come straight out of school and work a shitty job with shitty pay.....how many of us have had to do that in the real world??
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But who are you talking about? When I go to the shops I see loads of people working in low paid jobs, lots of them are youngsters. What real world? If you're going to make these claims you need to show actually not anecdotal evidence."
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"Also, it should not be all about bloody money....how much they may get paid per hour versus how much they receive in benefit........it should be about learning the work ethic and gaining some self respect....earning decent money etc comes with starting at the bottom, learning and bettering yourself it that is what you want.....so what if they come straight out of school and work a shitty job with shitty pay.....how many of us have had to do that in the real world??
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"Also, it should not be all about bloody money....how much they may get paid per hour versus how much they receive in benefit........it should be about learning the work ethic and gaining some self respect....earning decent money etc comes with starting at the bottom, learning and bettering yourself it that is what you want.....so what if they come straight out of school and work a shitty job with shitty pay.....how many of us have had to do that in the real world??
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So you advocate slave labour in favour of gaining a work ethic and self respect? What a lot of tripe! "
Slave labour??! really?! How do you work that out? So an 18 year old works 37 hours at minimum wage..£186.11 before taxes etc.....versus £56.80 JSA??
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"Also, it should not be all about bloody money....how much they may get paid per hour versus how much they receive in benefit........it should be about learning the work ethic and gaining some self respect....earning decent money etc comes with starting at the bottom, learning and bettering yourself it that is what you want.....so what if they come straight out of school and work a shitty job with shitty pay.....how many of us have had to do that in the real world??
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So you advocate slave labour in favour of gaining a work ethic and self respect? What a lot of tripe!
Slave labour??! really?! How do you work that out? So an 18 year old works 37 hours at minimum wage..£186.11 before taxes etc.....versus £56.80 JSA??
Please explain why you think I am on about slave labour?!
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Because you didn't say minimum wage! You said, it shouldn't be about "bloody money". You also said, let them do a "shitty job for shitty pay"! Now, correct me if i'm wrong, if it's not about the money, and it involves doing shitty jobs for shitty pay, then to me that implies them doing the jobs that no-one else wants to do! So where is their self respect? |
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"Also, it should not be all about bloody money....how much they may get paid per hour versus how much they receive in benefit........it should be about learning the work ethic and gaining some self respect....earning decent money etc comes with starting at the bottom, learning and bettering yourself it that is what you want.....so what if they come straight out of school and work a shitty job with shitty pay.....how many of us have had to do that in the real world??
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So you advocate slave labour in favour of gaining a work ethic and self respect? What a lot of tripe!
Slave labour??! really?! How do you work that out? So an 18 year old works 37 hours at minimum wage..£186.11 before taxes etc.....versus £56.80 JSA??
Please explain why you think I am on about slave labour?!
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Because you didn't say minimum wage! You said, it shouldn't be about "bloody money". You also said, let them do a "shitty job for shitty pay"! Now, correct me if i'm wrong, if it's not about the money, and it involves doing shitty jobs for shitty pay, then to me that implies them doing the jobs that no-one else wants to do! So where is their self respect?"
Well these days "shitty pay" is minimum wage?! Sorry thought that went without saying. Once again, who really does a job they "want" to do first?? What it teaches is getting out of bed every day and working, learning to work with others and numerous other skills, along with that, it gives them a better stepping stone to take on another job.......somebody in this country does all the "shitty jobs" don't they surely, or is there a jobsite "shittyjobs.co.uk" with thousands of vacancies on it thay I don't know about?!!
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"Also, it should not be all about bloody money....how much they may get paid per hour versus how much they receive in benefit........it should be about learning the work ethic and gaining some self respect....earning decent money etc comes with starting at the bottom, learning and bettering yourself it that is what you want.....so what if they come straight out of school and work a shitty job with shitty pay.....how many of us have had to do that in the real world??
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So you advocate slave labour in favour of gaining a work ethic and self respect? What a lot of tripe!
Slave labour??! really?! How do you work that out? So an 18 year old works 37 hours at minimum wage..£186.11 before taxes etc.....versus £56.80 JSA??
Please explain why you think I am on about slave labour?!
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Because you didn't say minimum wage! You said, it shouldn't be about "bloody money". You also said, let them do a "shitty job for shitty pay"! Now, correct me if i'm wrong, if it's not about the money, and it involves doing shitty jobs for shitty pay, then to me that implies them doing the jobs that no-one else wants to do! So where is their self respect?"
Oh and where does the self-respect come from sitting on their arses all of their lives and doing fuck all?!!
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"Also, it should not be all about bloody money....how much they may get paid per hour versus how much they receive in benefit........it should be about learning the work ethic and gaining some self respect....earning decent money etc comes with starting at the bottom, learning and bettering yourself it that is what you want.....so what if they come straight out of school and work a shitty job with shitty pay.....how many of us have had to do that in the real world??
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So you advocate slave labour in favour of gaining a work ethic and self respect? What a lot of tripe!
Slave labour??! really?! How do you work that out? So an 18 year old works 37 hours at minimum wage..£186.11 before taxes etc.....versus £56.80 JSA??
Please explain why you think I am on about slave labour?!
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Because you didn't say minimum wage! You said, it shouldn't be about "bloody money". You also said, let them do a "shitty job for shitty pay"! Now, correct me if i'm wrong, if it's not about the money, and it involves doing shitty jobs for shitty pay, then to me that implies them doing the jobs that no-one else wants to do! So where is their self respect?
Oh and where does the self-respect come from sitting on their arses all of their lives and doing fuck all?!!
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Nope. But it certainly doesn't come from doing jobs that are pushed onto them because no-one else wants do them! Self respect, to me, implies that someone feels they are doing something worthwhile and rewarding!
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"Also, it should not be all about bloody money....how much they may get paid per hour versus how much they receive in benefit........it should be about learning the work ethic and gaining some self respect....earning decent money etc comes with starting at the bottom, learning and bettering yourself it that is what you want.....so what if they come straight out of school and work a shitty job with shitty pay.....how many of us have had to do that in the real world??
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So you advocate slave labour in favour of gaining a work ethic and self respect? What a lot of tripe! "
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"Also, it should not be all about bloody money....how much they may get paid per hour versus how much they receive in benefit........it should be about learning the work ethic and gaining some self respect....earning decent money etc comes with starting at the bottom, learning and bettering yourself it that is what you want.....so what if they come straight out of school and work a shitty job with shitty pay.....how many of us have had to do that in the real world??
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I did, work worked in ADSA on night filling shelves for years while I was at uni, i also worked in care homes doing 12 hour night shifts for NMW, ive even worked in sex clubs, tho well above NMW to pay my way thro uni, tho i don't believe it should be only for money, we work to live and money is our number one priority surely?
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So you advocate slave labour in favour of gaining a work ethic and self respect? What a lot of tripe! "
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"Also, it should not be all about bloody money....how much they may get paid per hour versus how much they receive in benefit........it should be about learning the work ethic and gaining some self respect....earning decent money etc comes with starting at the bottom, learning and bettering yourself it that is what you want.....so what if they come straight out of school and work a shitty job with shitty pay.....how many of us have had to do that in the real world??
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So you advocate slave labour in favour of gaining a work ethic and self respect? What a lot of tripe!
do you really see working for NMW as slave labour?
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I know what I am about to say is judgemental..... but I don't give a fuck.
I can't stand breeders!
The welfare state was created to help people who fall on unfortunate circumstance......it wasn't established to be a career choice or to enable people to demand larger houses and more money for popping out kids they cannot afford to look after without the DWP coughing up.
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"I know what I am about to say is judgemental..... but I don't give a fuck.
I can't stand breeders!
The welfare state was created to help people who fall on unfortunate circumstance......it wasn't established to be a career choice or to enable people to demand larger houses and more money for popping out kids they cannot afford to look after without the DWP coughing up.
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"Also, it should not be all about bloody money....how much they may get paid per hour versus how much they receive in benefit........it should be about learning the work ethic and gaining some self respect....earning decent money etc comes with starting at the bottom, learning and bettering yourself it that is what you want.....so what if they come straight out of school and work a shitty job with shitty pay.....how many of us have had to do that in the real world??
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So you advocate slave labour in favour of gaining a work ethic and self respect? What a lot of tripe!
do you really see working for NMW as slave labour?
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Of course i do! Wages have stagnated since the introduction of NMW! In fact, i'd go as far to say that employers use it to pay as little as possible!
Take my industry for example. About 8 years ago, if us fitters needed mates/labourers, the going rate was £9 p/h for fitters mates, £7.50 for labourers. Now? It's down to the NMW! And what can be done about it? Nothing. Because the employers are not breaking the law, they're just manipulating it! |
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"Also, it should not be all about bloody money....how much they may get paid per hour versus how much they receive in benefit........it should be about learning the work ethic and gaining some self respect....earning decent money etc comes with starting at the bottom, learning and bettering yourself it that is what you want.....so what if they come straight out of school and work a shitty job with shitty pay.....how many of us have had to do that in the real world??
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So you advocate slave labour in favour of gaining a work ethic and self respect? What a lot of tripe!
Slave labour??! really?! How do you work that out? So an 18 year old works 37 hours at minimum wage..£186.11 before taxes etc.....versus £56.80 JSA??
Please explain why you think I am on about slave labour?!
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Because you didn't say minimum wage! You said, it shouldn't be about "bloody money". You also said, let them do a "shitty job for shitty pay"! Now, correct me if i'm wrong, if it's not about the money, and it involves doing shitty jobs for shitty pay, then to me that implies them doing the jobs that no-one else wants to do! So where is their self respect?
Oh and where does the self-respect come from sitting on their arses all of their lives and doing fuck all?!!
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Nope. But it certainly doesn't come from doing jobs that are pushed onto them because no-one else wants do them! Self respect, to me, implies that someone feels they are doing something worthwhile and rewarding!
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So where do you start....by handing them a silver platter of self-respect and a well paid job from the get-go?!! Pandering again! Life is hard work, it is a lesson they need to learn surely?
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So you advocate slave labour in favour of gaining a work ethic and self respect? What a lot of tripe!
do you really see working for NMW as slave labour?
Of course i do! Wages have stagnated since the introduction of NMW! In fact, i'd go as far to say that employers use it to pay as little as possible!
Take my industry for example. About 8 years ago, if us fitters needed mates/labourers, the going rate was £9 p/h for fitters mates, £7.50 for labourers. Now? It's down to the NMW! And what can be done about it? Nothing. Because the employers are not breaking the law, they're just manipulating it!"
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"Also, it should not be all about bloody money....how much they may get paid per hour versus how much they receive in benefit........it should be about learning the work ethic and gaining some self respect....earning decent money etc comes with starting at the bottom, learning and bettering yourself it that is what you want.....so what if they come straight out of school and work a shitty job with shitty pay.....how many of us have had to do that in the real world??
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So you advocate slave labour in favour of gaining a work ethic and self respect? What a lot of tripe!
Slave labour??! really?! How do you work that out? So an 18 year old works 37 hours at minimum wage..£186.11 before taxes etc.....versus £56.80 JSA??
Please explain why you think I am on about slave labour?!
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Because you didn't say minimum wage! You said, it shouldn't be about "bloody money". You also said, let them do a "shitty job for shitty pay"! Now, correct me if i'm wrong, if it's not about the money, and it involves doing shitty jobs for shitty pay, then to me that implies them doing the jobs that no-one else wants to do! So where is their self respect?
Oh and where does the self-respect come from sitting on their arses all of their lives and doing fuck all?!!
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Nope. But it certainly doesn't come from doing jobs that are pushed onto them because no-one else wants do them! Self respect, to me, implies that someone feels they are doing something worthwhile and rewarding!
So where do you start....by handing them a silver platter of self-respect and a well paid job from the get-go?!! Pandering again! Life is hard work, it is a lesson they need to learn surely?
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Not at all. I'd like to see a decent days wage for a decent days work! Where is the pandering in that? And why does life have to be hard work? Life should be enjoyed. The old saying "we should work to live, we shouldn't have to live to work" comes to mind! |
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I can't stand breeders!
The welfare state was created to help people who fall on unfortunate circumstance......it wasn't established to be a career choice or to enable people to demand larger houses and more money for popping out kids they cannot afford to look after without the DWP coughing up.
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So you advocate slave labour in favour of gaining a work ethic and self respect? What a lot of tripe!
do you really see working for NMW as slave labour?
Yes. All the organisations I'm involved with pay Glasgow Living Wage of £7.50 an hour.
Not a huge advance on NMW but a bit better."
but people who are on NMW arnt expected to live on that, that's what working and child tax credits are for to top up the income of low wages, I cant speak for Scotland as I don't know how tax credits work there but no one on NMW is expect to live on it here, if its not a second income then tax credits top up your income, my sister works for NMW at a coffee bar in a shopping centre, has two children and get just short of £200 a week working and child tax credits and help with her rent and council tax on top of her wages, there is help out there for those to try to help themselves, its not a case of you work for £6.19 and manage, tough shit if you cant |
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Not at all. I'd like to see a decent days wage for a decent days work! Where is the pandering in that? And why does life have to be hard work? Life should be enjoyed. The old saying "we should work to live, we shouldn't have to live to work" comes to mind!"
There's an assumption in there that work has to be hard.
Some work is hard but it can also be enjoyable. That's good.
If it can also be well paid, that's even better. |
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you'd only waste it down the chippy and bingo hall "
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So you advocate slave labour in favour of gaining a work ethic and self respect? What a lot of tripe!
Slave labour??! really?! How do you work that out? So an 18 year old works 37 hours at minimum wage..£186.11 before taxes etc.....versus £56.80 JSA??
Please explain why you think I am on about slave labour?!
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Because you didn't say minimum wage! You said, it shouldn't be about "bloody money". You also said, let them do a "shitty job for shitty pay"! Now, correct me if i'm wrong, if it's not about the money, and it involves doing shitty jobs for shitty pay, then to me that implies them doing the jobs that no-one else wants to do! So where is their self respect?
Oh and where does the self-respect come from sitting on their arses all of their lives and doing fuck all?!!
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Nope. But it certainly doesn't come from doing jobs that are pushed onto them because no-one else wants do them! Self respect, to me, implies that someone feels they are doing something worthwhile and rewarding!
So where do you start....by handing them a silver platter of self-respect and a well paid job from the get-go?!! Pandering again! Life is hard work, it is a lesson they need to learn surely?
Not at all. I'd like to see a decent days wage for a decent days work! Where is the pandering in that? And why does life have to be hard work? Life should be enjoyed. The old saying "we should work to live, we shouldn't have to live to work" comes to mind!"
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So you advocate slave labour in favour of gaining a work ethic and self respect? What a lot of tripe!
do you really see working for NMW as slave labour?
Yes. All the organisations I'm involved with pay Glasgow Living Wage of £7.50 an hour.
Not a huge advance on NMW but a bit better.
but people who are on NMW arnt expected to live on that, that's what working and child tax credits are for to top up the income of low wages, I cant speak for Scotland as I don't know how tax credits work there but no one on NMW is expect to live on it here, if its not a second income then tax credits top up your income, my sister works for NMW at a coffee bar in a shopping centre, has two children and get just short of £200 a week working and child tax credits and help with her rent and council tax on top of her wages, there is help out there for those to try to help themselves, its not a case of you work for £6.19 and manage, tough shit if you cant"
Start at the bottom and work up ppl expect big money straight off the bat....doesnt happen in the 'real world'
The 'hard work' is not all about physical side...its the politics and bullshit etc that you need to deal with to make it is the hard bit
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I can't stand breeders!
The welfare state was created to help people who fall on unfortunate circumstance......it wasn't established to be a career choice or to enable people to demand larger houses and more money for popping out kids they cannot afford to look after without the DWP coughing up.
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Wow this debate is better than the ones I have started in past, so much more people realising this system is wrong, and standing up for there _iew.
And yet not so many people defending the "benefit bashing"
This is a super good point I never made last time, fir get all the work shy ect ect.
What about these (mostly single mums) that think it's ok to pop out the kids knowing the benefits will kick in.
And im sure we have all heard people admitting this in out lifetime, should we not cap them, and if they want to have more that's there choice??
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I can't stand breeders!
The welfare state was created to help people who fall on unfortunate circumstance......it wasn't established to be a career choice or to enable people to demand larger houses and more money for popping out kids they cannot afford to look after without the DWP coughing up.
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Sounds good and fair on paper but what about those of low intelligence without foresight , the inconsequential, the hapless , the unfortunate? Stand them or not - what do we do with/for non affluent breeders ? |
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I SEE LOTS OF COMMENTS ON HERE , but with less than a 35% turn out at the last local elections and less than 40% at the general election by sods law for evry 10 comments on here 6 realy dont count As to not vote gives you no right to comment on this post , so please use you vote and you can make te difference on how you tax pounds are spent on those that choose not to work and allow the state to support them and there totl disregard for familly values |
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"I know what I am about to say is judgemental..... but I don't give a fuck.
I can't stand breeders!
The welfare state was created to help people who fall on unfortunate circumstance......it wasn't established to be a career choice or to enable people to demand larger houses and more money for popping out kids they cannot afford to look after without the DWP coughing up.
Sounds good and fair on paper but what about those of low intelligence without foresight , the inconsequential, the hapless , the unfortunate? Stand them or not - what do we do with/for non affluent breeders ?"
Sadly we cannot go back to the good ol' days when they were carted off to the asylum  |
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"I know what I am about to say is judgemental..... but I don't give a fuck.
I can't stand breeders!
The welfare state was created to help people who fall on unfortunate circumstance......it wasn't established to be a career choice or to enable people to demand larger houses and more money for popping out kids they cannot afford to look after without the DWP coughing up.
Sounds good and fair on paper but what about those of low intelligence without foresight , the inconsequential, the hapless , the unfortunate? Stand them or not - what do we do with/for non affluent breeders ?
Sadly we cannot go back to the good ol' days when they were carted off to the asylum "
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‘Are there no prisons?”
‘Plenty of prisons,’ said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.’And the Union workhouses.’ demanded Scrooge. ‘Are they still in operation?’
‘Both very busy, sir.’
‘Oh. I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,’ said Scrooge. ‘I’m very glad to hear it.’
‘Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,’ returned the gentleman, ‘a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?’
‘Nothing!’ Scrooge replied.
‘You wish to be anonymous?’
‘I wish to be left alone,’ said Scrooge. ‘Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don’t make merry myself at Christmas and I can’t afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned-they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.’
‘Many can’t go there; and many would rather die.’
‘If they would rather die,’ said Scrooge, ‘they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.” |
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"‘Are there no prisons?”
‘Plenty of prisons,’ said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.’And the Union workhouses.’ demanded Scrooge. ‘Are they still in operation?’
‘Both very busy, sir.’
‘Oh. I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,’ said Scrooge. ‘I’m very glad to hear it.’
‘Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,’ returned the gentleman, ‘a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?’
‘Nothing!’ Scrooge replied.
‘You wish to be anonymous?’
‘I wish to be left alone,’ said Scrooge. ‘Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don’t make merry myself at Christmas and I can’t afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned-they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.’
‘Many can’t go there; and many would rather die.’
‘If they would rather die,’ said Scrooge, ‘they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”"
From Jude the Obscure (which occurs just before the boy kills himself and his siblings to save the family the stigma of being poor):
"I can't bear that they, and everybody, should think people wicked because they may have chosen to live their own way! It is really these opinions that make the best intentioned people reckless, and actually become immoral!"
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"‘Are there no prisons?”
‘Plenty of prisons,’ said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.’And the Union workhouses.’ demanded Scrooge. ‘Are they still in operation?’
‘Both very busy, sir.’
‘Oh. I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,’ said Scrooge. ‘I’m very glad to hear it.’
‘Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,’ returned the gentleman, ‘a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?’
‘Nothing!’ Scrooge replied.
‘You wish to be anonymous?’
‘I wish to be left alone,’ said Scrooge. ‘Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don’t make merry myself at Christmas and I can’t afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned-they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.’
‘Many can’t go there; and many would rather die.’
‘If they would rather die,’ said Scrooge, ‘they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”
From Jude the Obscure (which occurs just before the boy kills himself and his siblings to save the family the stigma of being poor):
"I can't bear that they, and everybody, should think people wicked because they may have chosen to live their own way! It is really these opinions that make the best intentioned people reckless, and actually become immoral!"
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