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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Just read about last night's comment.
I didn't know the Poles were a race, I thought they were a nationality. How can the media get that wrong?
On the other hand, are you genuinely offended or do you see it as harmlessly as it was likely meant? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Do we want input from from TV pundits or should they just read from an already approved script on autocue. That Robbie Fowler had to apologise for saying someone was playing like a girl is comical. |
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you just cannot open your mouth to say anything these days as someone somewhere MIGHT be offended,we all got to live in silence these days as some pc do-gooder might be offended on someone else's behalf and report it.  |
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"you just cannot open your mouth to say anything these days as someone somewhere MIGHT be offended,we all got to live in silence these days as some pc do-gooder might be offended on someone else's behalf and report it. "
Clearly we don't live in silence.
All that 'PC do-gooders' ask is that maybe we could not make stupid jokes based on gender, sexuality, race or nationality.
How unreasonable to ask people to consider their language... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I dont like chiles one iota but keep it real its not racist at all he just a pratt that didnt know what he on about.
Am tired of folk moaning and twisting what folk say to try make a racial point i call a spade a spade and will not change i dont go out of my way to offend much but how folk take what i say is out of my control. |
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"you just cannot open your mouth to say anything these days as someone somewhere MIGHT be offended,we all got to live in silence these days as some pc do-gooder might be offended on someone else's behalf and report it. "
Way to try and deflect....and fail. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Lol Chiles is prone to being a dick, that much is true. But having to stay silent in fear of offending people shouldnt be the case.
Just seems that way because the media likes to sensationalise (makes them more profit by outraging people).
I also have a Polish friend who would have laughed it off. Though I've yet to find out if he did... or what it's like to be branded as a different race lol |
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"you just cannot open your mouth to say anything these days as someone somewhere MIGHT be offended,we all got to live in silence these days as some pc do-gooder might be offended on someone else's behalf and report it.
Clearly we don't live in silence.
All that 'PC do-gooders' ask is that maybe we could not make stupid jokes based on gender, sexuality, race or nationality.
How unreasonable to ask people to consider their language..."
You forgot disability  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"What did he say? "
Chiles:
“And it’s practically a home game for Poland – 15,000 Poles will be in here, I’m sure.”
And then when Lee Dixon responded Dixon responded:
“Hopefully, they’re all crying at the end” he added:
“I’m trying to get some building work done at the moment, quite seriously. Be careful”
Taken out of context then? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What did he say?
Chiles:
“And it’s practically a home game for Poland – 15,000 Poles will be in here, I’m sure.”
And then when Lee Dixon responded Dixon responded:
“Hopefully, they’re all crying at the end” he added:
“I’m trying to get some building work done at the moment, quite seriously. Be careful”
Taken out of context then?"
He should be sacked for his 'epic bantz' |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm Polish and it didn't bother me in the least.
It's the left wing p.c. brigade that make mountains out of mole hills..."
I know! It's outrageous with all their moaning about racism, sexism and the like we should go back to the old days where we call a black person a nigger and pinch a nice girls arse if we fancied her. Bring back Bernard Manning. Imagine, life would be so much easier - for white people and men.
btw "pc brigade"? just marks you out as one of the dinosaur legion. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Seriously, I think a good point that you need a sense of humour to live in England.
As PC as your office and retail jobs might be, European nations taking the piss out of each other is one of our favourite things to do.
A moaning bastard is always going to make twice as much noise if not more than someone who just smiles and shrugs it off, so maybe wait to hear what the nation of Poland and all its citizens and ex-citizens have to say about it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Silly thing to say...offensive? Only if you have nothing else to get on a soap box about.  "
Insensitive... to people whose lives are filled with raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Can someone please point out exactly what is racist or offensive about that what he said?"
That's what I'm saying, it's national not racist. As for offensive, I think people are just offended that it's Adrian Chiles saying it.
He did call a Polish player a twat at an awards ceremony as an attempted joke a while back, which went down like a shitstorm |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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"Can someone please point out exactly what is racist or offensive about that what he said?
That's what I'm saying, it's national not racist. As for offensive, I think people are just offended that it's Adrian Chiles saying it.
He did call a Polish player a twat at an awards ceremony as an attempted joke a while back, which went down like a shitstorm"
I've called loads of players twats watching my team.Odd how nobody went mad when Americans were slated here there and everywhere on a previous thread. |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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"Here here. I actually heard it as was watchingthe game, this is the first ive heard of it. Who has said it was racist or complained then???"
Apparently some people on Twitter complained and now he may be disciplined for it.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Here here. I actually heard it as was watchingthe game, this is the first ive heard of it. Who has said it was racist or complained then??? Apparently some people on Twitter complained and now he may be disciplined for it."
A few people complained but a few stood up for him, not to mention the Polish people that we apparently stand up for so courageously whenever someone makes a joke |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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"Twitter? Well that just about sums it up. Twatter should be banned before he is."
Yep. It's actually on msn sites(the fuss over this innocuos remark).Nobody has yet pointed out how this could in any way be offensive.That's because they can't can they?
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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Had a polish pundit made a similar remark about England,I doubt anyone in Poland would have raised an eyebrow.
The pc brigade just make themselves look silly,and intolerant,every time they make a mountain,out of a molehill.   |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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"Had a polish pundit made a similar remark about England,I doubt anyone in Poland would have raised an eyebrow.
The pc brigade just make themselves look silly,and intolerant,every time they make a mountain,out of a molehill. "
I'm still trying to work out how he was being offensive. |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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"Had a polish pundit made a similar remark about England,I doubt anyone in Poland would have raised an eyebrow.
The pc brigade just make themselves look silly,and intolerant,every time they make a mountain,out of a molehill.
I'm still trying to work out how he was being offensive."
As nobody on here has tried to explain how he could be offensive then I guess we are all agreed he wasn't guilty of anything. Thank God for that. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Had a polish pundit made a similar remark about England,I doubt anyone in Poland would have raised an eyebrow.
The pc brigade just make themselves look silly,and intolerant,every time they make a mountain,out of a molehill.
I'm still trying to work out how he was being offensive.As nobody on here has tried to explain how he could be offensive then I guess we are all agreed he wasn't guilty of anything. Thank God for that."
This has to be one of the most inoffensive threads I've ever started. I'm just stunned  |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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"Had a polish pundit made a similar remark about England,I doubt anyone in Poland would have raised an eyebrow.
The pc brigade just make themselves look silly,and intolerant,every time they make a mountain,out of a molehill.
I'm still trying to work out how he was being offensive.As nobody on here has tried to explain how he could be offensive then I guess we are all agreed he wasn't guilty of anything. Thank God for that.
This has to be one of the most inoffensive threads I've ever started. I'm just stunned "
Just as his remarks were unoffensive as well I guess. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm Polish and it didn't bother me in the least.
It's the left wing p.c. brigade that make mountains out of mole hills...
I know! It's outrageous with all their moaning about racism, sexism and the like we should go back to the old days where we call a black person a nigger and pinch a nice girls arse if we fancied her. Bring back Bernard Manning. Imagine, life would be so much easier - for white people and men.
btw "pc brigade"? just marks you out as one of the dinosaur legion. "
There's blatant abuse of people's civil/human rights and there's light hearted, stereotypical banter.
What Chiles said was the latter. We Poles have a sense of humour about these things. I suggest you get one... |
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"Adrian Chiles is a dick anyway, he spouts the most stupidest things as far as football is concerned !!  
Have you noticed the occasional grimacing look that Roy Keane throws his way. He is one of those people that you'd just like to say "oh please just shut up"Is that the sdame Roy Keane who admitted he deliberately went out to injure a player on the opposite team? Just asking like?"
a normal saturday afternoon target for man ure players i thought?. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Had a polish pundit made a similar remark about England,I doubt anyone in Poland would have raised an eyebrow.
The pc brigade just make themselves look silly,and intolerant,every time they make a mountain,out of a molehill.
I'm still trying to work out how he was being offensive.As nobody on here has tried to explain how he could be offensive then I guess we are all agreed he wasn't guilty of anything. Thank God for that."
I think he was concerned that his Polish builders might get d*unk and mess up his building work. Or at least that was what the joke was insinuating.
My comeback would have been "we've been d*unk since we started and tomorrows Saturday, so stolat and have one with us".
Completely inoffensive and blown way out of proportion if you ask me... |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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"Had a polish pundit made a similar remark about England,I doubt anyone in Poland would have raised an eyebrow.
The pc brigade just make themselves look silly,and intolerant,every time they make a mountain,out of a molehill.
I'm still trying to work out how he was being offensive.As nobody on here has tried to explain how he could be offensive then I guess we are all agreed he wasn't guilty of anything. Thank God for that.
I think he was concerned that his Polish builders might get d*unk and mess up his building work. Or at least that was what the joke was insinuating.
My comeback would have been "we've been d*unk since we started and tomorrows Saturday, so stolat and have one with us".
Completely inoffensive and blown way out of proportion if you ask me..."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm Polish and it didn't bother me in the least.
It's the left wing p.c. brigade that make mountains out of mole hills...
I know! It's outrageous with all their moaning about racism, sexism and the like we should go back to the old days where we call a black person a nigger and pinch a nice girls arse if we fancied her. Bring back Bernard Manning. Imagine, life would be so much easier - for white people and men.
btw "pc brigade"? just marks you out as one of the dinosaur legion.
There's blatant abuse of people's civil/human rights and there's light hearted, stereotypical banter.
What Chiles said was the latter. We Poles have a sense of humour about these things. I suggest you get one..."
Got one thanks
Actually what he said wasn't the problem as it was pretty dull and not particularly offensive at all. My objection was to the comment made about the "Left wing pc brigade". The same people who objected to the terms nigger, paki, flid etc because they were offensive to people and normally people told them to get a sense of humour. |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"I'm Polish and it didn't bother me in the least.
It's the left wing p.c. brigade that make mountains out of mole hills...
I know! It's outrageous with all their moaning about racism, sexism and the like we should go back to the old days where we call a black person a nigger and pinch a nice girls arse if we fancied her. Bring back Bernard Manning. Imagine, life would be so much easier - for white people and men.
btw "pc brigade"? just marks you out as one of the dinosaur legion.
There's blatant abuse of people's civil/human rights and there's light hearted, stereotypical banter.
What Chiles said was the latter. We Poles have a sense of humour about these things. I suggest you get one...
Got one thanks
Actually what he said wasn't the problem as it was pretty dull and not particularly offensive at all. My objection was to the comment made about the "Left wing pc brigade". The same people who objected to the terms nigger, paki, flid etc because they were offensive to people and normally people told them to get a sense of humour."
Not sure anyone has castigated anyone for using those offensive terms. Can you give an example please? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm Polish and it didn't bother me in the least.
It's the left wing p.c. brigade that make mountains out of mole hills...
I know! It's outrageous with all their moaning about racism, sexism and the like we should go back to the old days where we call a black person a nigger and pinch a nice girls arse if we fancied her. Bring back Bernard Manning. Imagine, life would be so much easier - for white people and men.
btw "pc brigade"? just marks you out as one of the dinosaur legion.
There's blatant abuse of people's civil/human rights and there's light hearted, stereotypical banter.
What Chiles said was the latter. We Poles have a sense of humour about these things. I suggest you get one...
Got one thanks
Actually what he said wasn't the problem as it was pretty dull and not particularly offensive at all. My objection was to the comment made about the "Left wing pc brigade". The same people who objected to the terms nigger, paki, flid etc because they were offensive to people and normally people told them to get a sense of humour.Not sure anyone has castigated anyone for using those offensive terms. Can you give an example please?"
I didn't suggest anyone had.
The "pc brigade" are the people who made those terms I used above unacceptable. The poster stated that the "left wing pc brigade make mountains out of molehills"
Actually they do sometimes, but sometimes they also get rid of derogatory and demeaning language from general usage. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm Polish and it didn't bother me in the least.
It's the left wing p.c. brigade that make mountains out of mole hills...
I know! It's outrageous with all their moaning about racism, sexism and the like we should go back to the old days where we call a black person a nigger and pinch a nice girls arse if we fancied her. Bring back Bernard Manning. Imagine, life would be so much easier - for white people and men.
btw "pc brigade"? just marks you out as one of the dinosaur legion.
There's blatant abuse of people's civil/human rights and there's light hearted, stereotypical banter.
What Chiles said was the latter. We Poles have a sense of humour about these things. I suggest you get one...
Got one thanks
Actually what he said wasn't the problem as it was pretty dull and not particularly offensive at all. My objection was to the comment made about the "Left wing pc brigade". The same people who objected to the terms nigger, paki, flid etc because they were offensive to people and normally people told them to get a sense of humour."
And quite rightly so. It's been long established that those terms are offensive. So now they have nothing better to do than scream and yell from their soapboxes about every single little indiscretion or harmless offhand remark. It's frankly pathetic and I find it offensive that they feel they should express offence for a country/people who quite frankly couldn't give a flying fuck what he said because it was mildly amusing.
Political correctness has gone too far, give it a rest already. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Political correctness has gone too far, give it a rest already.
Really?
So we don't marginalise, abuse or demean people anymore? Really?
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You're obviously taking what I'm saying completely wrong and missing the point or looking for a fight.
Either way, I'm done... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Political correctness has gone too far, give it a rest already.
Really?
So we don't marginalise, abuse or demean people anymore? Really?
Well I don't. Do you? Examples please. Thx. "
Seriously?
Marginalise
Learning disabilities, mental illness, the elderly are all in vulnerable groups who find themselves marignalised on a regular basis. Children are bullied using abusive language fairly regularly and people with mental illness are spoken about in a fairly demeaning way in regular every day language. You may not, but then maybe you're so PC that you don't need to watch your language.
I haven't covered racism here as that's a whole new level of abuse which I'm not as qualified to speak about. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Political correctness has gone too far, give it a rest already.
Really?
So we don't marginalise, abuse or demean people anymore? Really?
You're obviously taking what I'm saying completely wrong and missing the point or looking for a fight.
Either way, I'm done..."
I'm sorry, I don't agree with your view that the left wing pc brigade have taken PC too far. But, I don't. If you feel I'm picking a fight, then perhaps I might be, but it's only in response to your fairly sweeping statement I don't agree with. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Political correctness has gone too far, give it a rest already.
Really?
So we don't marginalise, abuse or demean people anymore? Really?
Careful....that Soapbox looks wobbly....  "
Had a quick look around and nope, looks pretty stable.
thanks for your concern |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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Political correctness has gone too far, give it a rest already.
Really?
So we don't marginalise, abuse or demean people anymore? Really?
Well I don't. Do you? Examples please. Thx.
Seriously?
Marginalise
Learning disabilities, mental illness, the elderly are all in vulnerable groups who find themselves marignalised on a regular basis. Children are bullied using abusive language fairly regularly and people with mental illness are spoken about in a fairly demeaning way in regular every day language. You may not, but then maybe you're so PC that you don't need to watch your language.
I haven't covered racism here as that's a whole new level of abuse which I'm not as qualified to speak about."
Could you give examples of these phrases then please? That what I asked.Not a generalisation.Thanks again. |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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Political correctness has gone too far, give it a rest already.
Really?
So we don't marginalise, abuse or demean people anymore? Really?
You're obviously taking what I'm saying completely wrong and missing the point or looking for a fight.
Either way, I'm done...
I'm sorry, I don't agree with your view that the left wing pc brigade have taken PC too far. But, I don't. If you feel I'm picking a fight, then perhaps I might be, but it's only in response to your fairly sweeping statement I don't agree with."
Have you tried having a shag..in recent months...it may chill you out a tad. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Political correctness has gone too far, give it a rest already.
Really?
So we don't marginalise, abuse or demean people anymore? Really?
You're obviously taking what I'm saying completely wrong and missing the point or looking for a fight.
Either way, I'm done...
I'm sorry, I don't agree with your view that the left wing pc brigade have taken PC too far. But, I don't. If you feel I'm picking a fight, then perhaps I might be, but it's only in response to your fairly sweeping statement I don't agree with.Have you tried having a shag..in recent months...it may chill you out a tad."
lol, had a shag about 3 hours ago, thanks for the concern. Have you?
Perhaps it'll help you as well?
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By (user no longer on site)
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Political correctness has gone too far, give it a rest already.
Really?
So we don't marginalise, abuse or demean people anymore? Really?
Well I don't. Do you? Examples please. Thx.
Seriously?
Marginalise
Learning disabilities, mental illness, the elderly are all in vulnerable groups who find themselves marignalised on a regular basis. Children are bullied using abusive language fairly regularly and people with mental illness are spoken about in a fairly demeaning way in regular every day language. You may not, but then maybe you're so PC that you don't need to watch your language.
I haven't covered racism here as that's a whole new level of abuse which I'm not as qualified to speak about."
The comment in question has nothing to do with any of those things and no one has said that defending peoples civil rights is a bad thing. Just that when it comes to offhand remarks things have gone too far....
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By (user no longer on site)
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Political correctness has gone too far, give it a rest already.
Really?
So we don't marginalise, abuse or demean people anymore? Really?
Well I don't. Do you? Examples please. Thx.
Seriously?
Marginalise
Learning disabilities, mental illness, the elderly are all in vulnerable groups who find themselves marignalised on a regular basis. Children are bullied using abusive language fairly regularly and people with mental illness are spoken about in a fairly demeaning way in regular every day language. You may not, but then maybe you're so PC that you don't need to watch your language.
I haven't covered racism here as that's a whole new level of abuse which I'm not as qualified to speak about.Could you give examples of these phrases then please? That what I asked.Not a generalisation.Thanks again."
Ok, just for you.
In Winterbourne view, look it up on the internet.
The language used was demeaning (as well as the behaviour) it was a home for people with learning disabilities who were treated appallingly and as sub humans.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Political correctness has gone too far, give it a rest already.
Really?
So we don't marginalise, abuse or demean people anymore? Really?
Well I don't. Do you? Examples please. Thx.
Seriously?
Marginalise
Learning disabilities, mental illness, the elderly are all in vulnerable groups who find themselves marignalised on a regular basis. Children are bullied using abusive language fairly regularly and people with mental illness are spoken about in a fairly demeaning way in regular every day language. You may not, but then maybe you're so PC that you don't need to watch your language.
I haven't covered racism here as that's a whole new level of abuse which I'm not as qualified to speak about.
The comment in question has nothing to do with any of those things and no one has said that defending peoples civil rights is a bad thing. Just that when it comes to offhand remarks things have gone too far....
Jeez!!"
The problem is, that defending people's civil rights was something that the left wing pc brigade did quite a lot of. Again, what he said about Polish people/Poland and the stereotypes wasn't particularly offensive to anyone Polish or otherwise, it wasn't that bit I was objecting to. It was the idea that political correctness has gone too far, I don't think it has. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Political correctness has gone too far, give it a rest already.
Really?
So we don't marginalise, abuse or demean people anymore? Really?
Well I don't. Do you? Examples please. Thx.
Seriously?
Marginalise
Learning disabilities, mental illness, the elderly are all in vulnerable groups who find themselves marignalised on a regular basis. Children are bullied using abusive language fairly regularly and people with mental illness are spoken about in a fairly demeaning way in regular every day language. You may not, but then maybe you're so PC that you don't need to watch your language.
I haven't covered racism here as that's a whole new level of abuse which I'm not as qualified to speak about.Could you give examples of these phrases then please? That what I asked.Not a generalisation.Thanks again.
Ok, just for you.
In Winterbourne view, look it up on the internet.
The language used was demeaning (as well as the behaviour) it was a home for people with learning disabilities who were treated appallingly and as sub humans.
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Agreed, it was horrific and there are hundreds of cases similar to this.
But that's not what we're discussing is it!
We're discussing an offhand comment made by a chubby brummie! |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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Political correctness has gone too far, give it a rest already.
Really?
So we don't marginalise, abuse or demean people anymore? Really?
Well I don't. Do you? Examples please. Thx.
Seriously?
Marginalise
Learning disabilities, mental illness, the elderly are all in vulnerable groups who find themselves marignalised on a regular basis. Children are bullied using abusive language fairly regularly and people with mental illness are spoken about in a fairly demeaning way in regular every day language. You may not, but then maybe you're so PC that you don't need to watch your language.
I haven't covered racism here as that's a whole new level of abuse which I'm not as qualified to speak about.Could you give examples of these phrases then please? That what I asked.Not a generalisation.Thanks again.
Ok, just for you.
In Winterbourne view, look it up on the internet.
The language used was demeaning (as well as the behaviour) it was a home for people with learning disabilities who were treated appallingly and as sub humans.
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And that has what to do with PC correctness exactly? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What did he say?
Chiles:
“And it’s practically a home game for Poland – 15,000 Poles will be in here, I’m sure.”
And then when Lee Dixon responded Dixon responded:
“Hopefully, they’re all crying at the end” he added:
“I’m trying to get some building work done at the moment, quite seriously. Be careful”
Taken out of context then?
He should be sacked for his 'epic bantz' "
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Political correctness has gone too far, give it a rest already.
Really?
So we don't marginalise, abuse or demean people anymore? Really?
Well I don't. Do you? Examples please. Thx.
Seriously?
Marginalise
Learning disabilities, mental illness, the elderly are all in vulnerable groups who find themselves marignalised on a regular basis. Children are bullied using abusive language fairly regularly and people with mental illness are spoken about in a fairly demeaning way in regular every day language. You may not, but then maybe you're so PC that you don't need to watch your language.
I haven't covered racism here as that's a whole new level of abuse which I'm not as qualified to speak about.
The comment in question has nothing to do with any of those things and no one has said that defending peoples civil rights is a bad thing. Just that when it comes to offhand remarks things have gone too far....
Jeez!!
The problem is, that defending people's civil rights was something that the left wing pc brigade did quite a lot of. Again, what he said about Polish people/Poland and the stereotypes wasn't particularly offensive to anyone Polish or otherwise, it wasn't that bit I was objecting to. It was the idea that political correctness has gone too far, I don't think it has."
I agree with the core of your argument, I truly do, its what I spend my working life doing. But you've gone off at such a tangent that you've missed the whole point of the thread!
So ill simplify.
Breaches of human and civil rights no matter who's are abhorrent and should not be condoned.
Poor attempts at humour by portly west midlanders should just be ignored. |
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"Portly? He has the roundest face in sports entertainment...
Next to Frank Sidebottom, that's sayin something "
I was playing it down in case someone got offended on his behalf... |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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Political correctness has gone too far, give it a rest already.
Really?
So we don't marginalise, abuse or demean people anymore? Really?
Well I don't. Do you? Examples please. Thx.
Seriously?
Marginalise
Learning disabilities, mental illness, the elderly are all in vulnerable groups who find themselves marignalised on a regular basis. Children are bullied using abusive language fairly regularly and people with mental illness are spoken about in a fairly demeaning way in regular every day language. You may not, but then maybe you're so PC that you don't need to watch your language.
I haven't covered racism here as that's a whole new level of abuse which I'm not as qualified to speak about.
The comment in question has nothing to do with any of those things and no one has said that defending peoples civil rights is a bad thing. Just that when it comes to offhand remarks things have gone too far....
Jeez!!
The problem is, that defending people's civil rights was something that the left wing pc brigade did quite a lot of. Again, what he said about Polish people/Poland and the stereotypes wasn't particularly offensive to anyone Polish or otherwise, it wasn't that bit I was objecting to. It was the idea that political correctness has gone too far, I don't think it has.
I agree with the core of your argument, I truly do, its what I spend my working life doing. But you've gone off at such a tangent that you've missed the whole point of the thread!
So ill simplify.
Breaches of human and civil rights no matter who's are abhorrent and should not be condoned.
Poor attempts at humour by portly west midlanders should just be ignored."
What if was offended by being desrcibed as portly?Is that offensive. It's sizest. How far do we go on this? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Political correctness has gone too far, give it a rest already.
Really?
So we don't marginalise, abuse or demean people anymore? Really?
Well I don't. Do you? Examples please. Thx.
Seriously?
Marginalise
Learning disabilities, mental illness, the elderly are all in vulnerable groups who find themselves marignalised on a regular basis. Children are bullied using abusive language fairly regularly and people with mental illness are spoken about in a fairly demeaning way in regular every day language. You may not, but then maybe you're so PC that you don't need to watch your language.
I haven't covered racism here as that's a whole new level of abuse which I'm not as qualified to speak about.
The comment in question has nothing to do with any of those things and no one has said that defending peoples civil rights is a bad thing. Just that when it comes to offhand remarks things have gone too far....
Jeez!!
The problem is, that defending people's civil rights was something that the left wing pc brigade did quite a lot of. Again, what he said about Polish people/Poland and the stereotypes wasn't particularly offensive to anyone Polish or otherwise, it wasn't that bit I was objecting to. It was the idea that political correctness has gone too far, I don't think it has.
I agree with the core of your argument, I truly do, its what I spend my working life doing. But you've gone off at such a tangent that you've missed the whole point of the thread!
So ill simplify.
Breaches of human and civil rights no matter who's are abhorrent and should not be condoned.
Poor attempts at humour by portly west midlanders should just be ignored.What if was offended by being desrcibed as portly?Is that offensive. It's sizest. How far do we go on this?"
I think we've gone far enough already...lol |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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"Chiles would be expected to take a joke if he dishes them out. Not a problem."
I'm sure he would but still struggling to see and have explained how what he said was in any way offensive. Over 70 posts and nobody has done that yet.
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"Chiles would be expected to take a joke if he dishes them out. Not a problem.I'm sure he would but still struggling to see and have explained how what he said was in any way offensive. Over 70 posts and nobody has done that yet. "
That was the point of my post. Probably anyone who was offended at all doesnt want to touch this shit lol |
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"Chiles would be expected to take a joke if he dishes them out. Not a problem.I'm sure he would but still struggling to see and have explained how what he said was in any way offensive. Over 70 posts and nobody has done that yet. "
Because it wasn't... |
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"Chiles would be expected to take a joke if he dishes them out. Not a problem.I'm sure he would but still struggling to see and have explained how what he said was in any way offensive. Over 70 posts and nobody has done that yet.
Because it wasn't... "
Posted an agreement to your post above but got deleted for some reason on my laptop.
I think we're in agreement except about the whole left wing pc gone too far thing. |
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"Chiles would be expected to take a joke if he dishes them out. Not a problem.I'm sure he would but still struggling to see and have explained how what he said was in any way offensive. Over 70 posts and nobody has done that yet.
Because it wasn't...
Posted an agreement to your post above but got deleted for some reason on my laptop.
I think we're in agreement except about the whole left wing pc gone too far thing. "
Have a look at the Frankie Boyle thread and you'll see my point... |
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The thing about "PC gone too far" is just weird. Is Adrian Chiles in jail? No. He's just had some criticism.
Criticism is going too far now? We cannot say 'that's stupid/insensitive' in case it's too 'PC'? |
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"The thing about "PC gone too far" is just weird. Is Adrian Chiles in jail? No. He's just had some criticism.
Criticism is going too far now? We cannot say 'that's stupid/insensitive' in case it's too 'PC'?"
The thing is that in a comedy venue or as part of a script in a tv show or movie no one would bat an eye lid but as an impromptu joke by a footy pundit on live tv the Great British tradition of being offended on someone else's behalf rears it's exceedingly ugly head
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By *obbygggMan
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"The thing about "PC gone too far" is just weird. Is Adrian Chiles in jail? No. He's just had some criticism.
Criticism is going too far now? We cannot say 'that's stupid/insensitive' in case it's too 'PC'?
The thing is that in a comedy venue or as part of a script in a tv show or movie no one would bat an eye lid but as an impromptu joke by a footy pundit on live tv the Great British tradition of being offended on someone else's behalf rears it's exceedingly ugly head
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But it wasn't offensive,that's the whole point.How did anyone find it so? |
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"The thing about "PC gone too far" is just weird. Is Adrian Chiles in jail? No. He's just had some criticism.
Criticism is going too far now? We cannot say 'that's stupid/insensitive' in case it's too 'PC'?
The thing is that in a comedy venue or as part of a script in a tv show or movie no one would bat an eye lid but as an impromptu joke by a footy pundit on live tv the Great British tradition of being offended on someone else's behalf rears it's exceedingly ugly head
But it wasn't offensive,that's the whole point.How did anyone find it so?"
Because courtesy of PC it's now a Great British tradition.
Listen to Radio 5, lots of phone in stuff and a 'bloody' from a caller will have the presenter rushing to apologise in case some poor innocent has been morally corrupted, madness |
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"The thing about "PC gone too far" is just weird. Is Adrian Chiles in jail? No. He's just had some criticism.
Criticism is going too far now? We cannot say 'that's stupid/insensitive' in case it's too 'PC'?
The thing is that in a comedy venue or as part of a script in a tv show or movie no one would bat an eye lid but as an impromptu joke by a footy pundit on live tv the Great British tradition of being offended on someone else's behalf rears it's exceedingly ugly head
But it wasn't offensive,that's the whole point.How did anyone find it so?
Because courtesy of PC it's now a Great British tradition.
Listen to Radio 5, lots of phone in stuff and a 'bloody' from a caller will have the presenter rushing to apologise in case some poor innocent has been morally corrupted, madness "
Pity the BBC weren't so alive to the paedophile Savile working them for 30 or 40 years isn't it? |
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"The thing about "PC gone too far" is just weird. Is Adrian Chiles in jail? No. He's just had some criticism.
Criticism is going too far now? We cannot say 'that's stupid/insensitive' in case it's too 'PC'?"
They like to go too far though thats why they do it to get a kick out of controlling what others say or do. |
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"The thing about "PC gone too far" is just weird. Is Adrian Chiles in jail? No. He's just had some criticism.
Criticism is going too far now? We cannot say 'that's stupid/insensitive' in case it's too 'PC'?
The thing is that in a comedy venue or as part of a script in a tv show or movie no one would bat an eye lid but as an impromptu joke by a footy pundit on live tv the Great British tradition of being offended on someone else's behalf rears it's exceedingly ugly head
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There's a difference between a comedian in a club or a character saying it, and a football presenter saying it. Think about it for more than five minutes and it becomes obvious.
Fuck, I'm so tired of lazy stereotyping being criticised and all people have to say in response is PC GONE MAD!!!!!
Because the really important thing when trying to improve society, to improve the way minorities are treated, is that we don't go too far in criticising those who have more of the power. Yeah.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Frankie Boyle summed it up perfectly...
And i quote " Political correctness ?? Just another phrase for spasticated gay talk "
NOTE: to mods im quoting someone else and this is in no way a representation of me or my thoughts.
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Political correctness has gone too far, give it a rest already.
Really?
So we don't marginalise, abuse or demean people anymore? Really?
Well I don't. Do you? Examples please. Thx.
Seriously?
Marginalise
Learning disabilities, mental illness, the elderly are all in vulnerable groups who find themselves marignalised on a regular basis. Children are bullied using abusive language fairly regularly and people with mental illness are spoken about in a fairly demeaning way in regular every day language. You may not, but then maybe you're so PC that you don't need to watch your language.
I haven't covered racism here as that's a whole new level of abuse which I'm not as qualified to speak about.Could you give examples of these phrases then please? That what I asked.Not a generalisation.Thanks again.
Ok, just for you.
In Winterbourne view, look it up on the internet.
The language used was demeaning (as well as the behaviour) it was a home for people with learning disabilities who were treated appallingly and as sub humans.
Agreed, it was horrific and there are hundreds of cases similar to this.
But that's not what we're discussing is it!
We're discussing an offhand comment made by a chubby brummie!"
Chubby brummie? How can you be so sizeist and regionalist.my god, in this day and age too. Shameful |
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"you just cannot open your mouth to say anything these days as someone somewhere MIGHT be offended,we all got to live in silence these days as some pc do-gooder might be offended on someone else's behalf and report it. "
People take things too seriously, arent there more important things for us all to be worrying about? |
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"What did he say?
Chiles:
“And it’s practically a home game for Poland – 15,000 Poles will be in here, I’m sure.”
And then when Lee Dixon responded Dixon responded:
“Hopefully, they’re all crying at the end” he added:
“I’m trying to get some building work done at the moment, quite seriously. Be careful”
Taken out of context then?"
can only imagine the itv took it as h was actually replying to Lee Dixon
'yesl lets hope, cuz thye are a bunch of c**ts'
its a ridiculously over the top reaction.
he didnt say most Poles work in the construction industry, he made a vague remark that 'possibly' he has Polish builders doing some work for him (although i seem to remember him making the same 'joke' before the last Poland game.)
Adrian Chiles is a lot more embarrassing for being a miserable bugger than this gaff. |
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"The thing about "PC gone too far" is just weird. Is Adrian Chiles in jail? No. He's just had some criticism.
Criticism is going too far now? We cannot say 'that's stupid/insensitive' in case it's too 'PC'?
The thing is that in a comedy venue or as part of a script in a tv show or movie no one would bat an eye lid but as an impromptu joke by a footy pundit on live tv the Great British tradition of being offended on someone else's behalf rears it's exceedingly ugly head
There's a difference between a comedian in a club or a character saying it, and a football presenter saying it. Think about it for more than five minutes and it becomes obvious.
Fuck, I'm so tired of lazy stereotyping being criticised and all people have to say in response is PC GONE MAD!!!!!
Because the really important thing when trying to improve society, to improve the way minorities are treated, is that we don't go too far in criticising those who have more of the power. Yeah.
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Gave it a full 20 minutes and am still struggling so could you please point out the difference |
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"Can anyone explain,why the use of the word race,could be considered in any way racist,or offensive.
Remembering we are all part of the human race. "
Quite right, i had a picture up on Tumblr yesterday stating the same thing and I had a lot of comments calling me a moron. How I laughed.
Human - Race: Human Race |
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