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By *wingerdelight OP Couple over a year ago

eastliegh

ive just read an article about an unemployed woman defending her right to have 11 kids while on benifit, surely this cant be right, she gets 60 thousand a year in benifit. my question is should those who have never worked be limited to how many kids will be payed for? im not sure how this would work,or even if its just, but it does make me cross that many families decide not to have more kids as they cant afford them, but those on benifit dont seem to have the same restrictions, also in the article she openly says that she supports crime?

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

if they have them and they become unemployed, they should be supported until they find work.

if they don't and are/become unemployed, the benefit should be capped at a certain level. If they decide to have more children, their choice but they live off the maximum allowed and continue to seek employment.

good luck to all looking for work

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

60 grand a year? Over a grand a week? Can i ask what article it is you read so that i can read it? Then i could reply knowing the facts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i used to know girls who decided to have more than one kid even though they were on benefits, i wouldnt have the nerve myself i would feel bad enough having one and being on benefits and unemployed, but maybe they have got the right idea.

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By *riendly foeWoman over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814

"60 grand a year? Over a grand a week? Can i ask what article it is you read so that i can read it? Then i could reply knowing the facts."

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By *riendly foeWoman over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814

"Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others."

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"60 grand a year? Over a grand a week? Can i ask what article it is you read so that i can read it? Then i could reply knowing the facts."

This and what percentage of unemployed people have eleven children?

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By *wingerdelight OP Couple over a year ago

eastliegh

"60 grand a year? Over a grand a week? Can i ask what article it is you read so that i can read it? Then i could reply knowing the facts.

its on the mail website, yes i know, but its also going to be in a documentry on monday

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By *wingerdelight OP Couple over a year ago

eastliegh

"Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others."

my house is order thank you, and im in no way jealous of her

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Give them fuck all, make them work to support their kids, they might think twice before having more kids

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others."

your right there i must admit i have felt jealous when iv seen single mums having more money to buy their kids nice things compared to what i had.

also you could say that its a good thing that at least they are staying at home to look after their kids rather than leave them with strangers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There wad that story in the papers this week about the family with 12 kids and another on the way who are having two houses knocked into one, they get over a thousand pound a week in benefits which include careers allowance for the man looking after is partner, what i want to know is what illness stops you doing even a desk job but allows you to have 13 kids and if she's that ill she need 24 hour care from het partner who's looking after the kids?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"60 grand a year? Over a grand a week? Can i ask what article it is you read so that i can read it? Then i could reply knowing the facts.

its on the mail website, yes i know, but its also going to be in a documentry on monday"

Oh right. The daily mail. That won't be a biased peice of news then will it!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There wad that story in the papers this week about the family with 12 kids and another on the way who are having two houses knocked into one, they get over a thousand pound a week in benefits which include careers allowance for the man looking after is partner, what i want to know is what illness stops you doing even a desk job but allows you to have 13 kids and if she's that ill she need 24 hour care from het partner who's looking after the kids?"

no one gets paid for 24 hour care,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Give them fuck all, make them work to support their kids, they might think twice before having more kids"

I have 6 kids, although only four at home. My job was axed in April... So far only found part time stuff to help me get through. I've worked pretty much most of my adult life.. should I get nothing?

And what are you meant to do with those that can't work... Let their children starve..

And they are restricting benefits now...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As long as no laws are being broken, I cant see what the problem is, there is a benefits system, with rules, as long as people abide by the rules, no harm is being done,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others."

jealous of someone who sits on benefits spiting out kid after kid? I may not get £1000 a week but what i do get i work and pay for myself, there's no need for anyone to be jealous of anyone sat at home having kid after kid and living off the state we can all do that if we choose to, just some of us don't and have enough pride to work for our money and stop having kids when we have reached our budget, jealousy is something that usually spurned by something we cant achieved not by something we don't want to

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Put them in the stocks!! Public flogging! Sell their children into slavery! !

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"Give them fuck all, make them work to support their kids, they might think twice before having more kids

I have 6 kids, although only four at home. My job was axed in April... So far only found part time stuff to help me get through. I've worked pretty much most of my adult life.. should I get nothing?

And what are you meant to do with those that can't work... Let their children starve..

And they are restricting benefits now... "

sadly Cali lots of people don't see beyond what the propogandists want us to believe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

no one gets paid for 24 hour care,"

my point, but according to them she needs it that's why he cant work cause she needs 24 hour care

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others.

Many fought and died so that we could have freedom of choice.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"Put them in the stocks!! Public flogging! Sell their children into slavery! !

even that's too good for them!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

carrying 13 babies would cripple me! Her body must be fucked. I think it's an illness in itself wanting to keep having babies

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you can't afford kids, don't have them. Simples.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

" but it does make me cross that many families decide not to have more kids as they cant afford them, but those on benifit dont seem to have the same restrictions"

this is neither true nor even logical. Deciding not to have more children because you can't afford them is down to personal responsibility and people claiming benefits have just as much as people who don't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" but it does make me cross that many families decide not to have more kids as they cant afford them, but those on benifit dont seem to have the same restrictions

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

carrying 13 babies would cripple me! Her body must be fucked. I think it's an illness in itself wanting to keep having babies"

Yeah brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" but it does make me cross that many families decide not to have more kids as they cant afford them, but those on benifit dont seem to have the same restrictions

If you work everything out on paper, not many children would be born, no houses would be sold, on paper money never balances.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others.

Many fought and died so that we could have freedom of choice.

WRONG ! We always have freedom of choice , sometimes the choices are limited.

Many fought and died for FREEDOM and a democratic society thats fair and just.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others.

Many fought and died so that we could have freedom of choice.

true and their freedom of choice is to do it and my freedom of choice is to moan about it

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By *osweet69Couple over a year ago

portsmouth

"As long as no laws are being broken, I cant see what the problem is, there is a benefits system, with rules, as long as people abide by the rules, no harm is being done,

If for some reason you don't agree with the rules/ law, its up to you to get them changed, by voting for , whoever you have most belief in, or people who see things your way, Please don't blame the recipients of money that is legally so rightfully theirs."
You are quite right in one way the benefit system is wrong and needs changing but so do peoples attitudes toward it. It is a safety net not a life style choice

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"ive just read an article about an unemployed woman defending her right to have 11 kids while on benifit, surely this cant be right, she gets 60 thousand a year in benifit. my question is should those who have never worked be limited to how many kids will be payed for? im not sure how this would work,or even if its just, but it does make me cross that many families decide not to have more kids as they cant afford them, but those on benifit dont seem to have the same restrictions, also in the article she openly says that she supports crime?"

SOmewhere in the dark, very dark

recesses of my mind, I vaguely recall some minister mentioning the idea of capping benefits (child tax) for the very reason that some people receiving benefits don't seem to know when to stop procreating, whereas those who support themselves, who may wish for larger families, do.

So I'm assuming the idea is to stop people from leeching off the system but it doesn't stop them having the right to more children. They will simply have to make their money go further if another bundle of joy comes along.

BTW not having read the article I assume the 60 grand is not total income but including the value of other benefits like housing, council tax, school meals etc.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

thinly veiled benefit claimant bashing again.

I despair that lots of people believe what they read or hear without questioning it or stopping to think what proportion of the people they are talking about the particular ne'er do well they are talking about represents.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"As long as no laws are being broken, I cant see what the problem is, there is a benefits system, with rules, as long as people abide by the rules, no harm is being done,

If for some reason you don't agree with the rules/ law, its up to you to get them changed, by voting for , whoever you have most belief in, or people who see things your way, Please don't blame the recipients of money that is legally so rightfully theirs.You are quite right in one way the benefit system is wrong and needs changing but so do peoples attitudes toward it. It is a safety net not a life style choice "

it isn't the lifestyle choice of as many people as "they" would have you beleive and by "they" I mean politicians and red tops

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'll be honest-I do get jealous of those who get more than I do. I work my arse off and studied hard for years to do what I do. Hearing about people who receive a ridiculous amount and don't do anything other than breed angers me.

It's not the kids fault. We live in a civilised society and children should not live in poverty and should have a roof over their heads, food in their belly and an opportunity to succeed through education and support within their community.

I do sometimes feel that if I had chosen to fall pregnant young and claim, I would have a better, bigger house and less worries about money. I find it hard to justify how anyone who is unemployed should receive much more than the average worker. Those who become unemployed through no fault of their own should be protected. I think the average worker should receive more to make working more rewarding and a better incentive to work.

I'm more against the rich who don't pay their taxes than those on benefits-if employers paid their employees properly and paid their taxes, the economy would be better off. I hate how the media turn the poor against the poor when we should be more angry at the system and those who control it.

crystal

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By *rivate auditionsMan over a year ago

West Midlands

"Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others."

it's not jealousy at all is it?,it's concern that your tax is being wasted on scroungers who have no intention of working yet want all the benefitsthat workers/tax payers have at home (ie plasma tv,broadband,sky channels,car)but no intention of working for it!.

there is a big rise in heating fuels with a cold winter looming and many pensioners are wondering do i eat?,or do i heat?,whilst spongers are wasting money they have nbot earned..

by the way,do you work and pay tax?.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Where are the stories of people who've worked and paid in all their lives, who decided not to have kids and who are now being woefully let down by the welfare and healthcare systems?

The government are using the media, and careful use of words (handout, scrounger, free money...), to convince people that all those on benefits are lazy scroungers living the life of Riley. They're pitting people against each other to stop us seing the truth about their policies and actions and acting to stop them.

The majority of people support the welfare reforms. Those reforms are leaving decent people destitute and starving. In some cases they have resulted in deaths. More will die this winter, especially if it's a harsh one.

Few people hear about what's actually happening and the real effects it's having on decent people, many of whom would love to be working.

Welfare reform was needed but not like this.

These few extreme cases are being cited, deliberately written to inspire fury and outrage, to make people hate benefit claimants. And it's working!

It's all propaganda. You are being manipulated and lied to.

Is the money being cut from welfare, education, healthcare, defence etc actually improving lives of regular people or are tax breaks being given to the rich, huge expenses claims being paid and MPs salaries being increased by a huge percentage when everyone else is lucky not to have had a pay cut?

Wake up and look for the real picture and don't believe everything you read in the papers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

well said x

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By *rivate auditionsMan over a year ago

West Midlands

"It is a safety net not a life style choice "

how many hours per week do fabsters have top work to earn 60 grand per year?.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"Where are the stories of people who've worked and paid in all their lives, who decided not to have kids and who are now being woefully let down by the welfare and healthcare systems?

Few people hear about what's actually happening and the real effects it's having on decent people, many of whom would love to be working.

Welfare reform was needed but not like this.

These few extreme cases are being cited, deliberately written to inspire fury and outrage, to make people hate benefit claimants. And it's working!

It's all propaganda. You are being manipulated and lied to.

Wake up and look for the real picture and don't believe everything you read in the papers."

Could not have said it better myself. Think for yourself people, look around you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Where are the stories of people who've worked and paid in all their lives, who decided not to have kids and who are now being woefully let down by the welfare and healthcare systems?

Few people hear about what's actually happening and the real effects it's having on decent people, many of whom would love to be working.

Welfare reform was needed but not like this.

These few extreme cases are being cited, deliberately written to inspire fury and outrage, to make people hate benefit claimants. And it's working!

It's all propaganda. You are being manipulated and lied to.

Wake up and look for the real picture and don't believe everything you read in the papers."

+1 this

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

In all fairness that family when universal credit comes in will have their income slashed by £34,000 they will get exactly the same as a family that will have one child....

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"It is a safety net not a life style choice

how many hours per week do fabsters have top work to earn 60 grand per year?."

depends on their job.

We haven't seen this article and have no way of verifying its contents

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'll be honest-I do get jealous of those who get more than I do. I work my arse off and studied hard for years to do what I do. Hearing about people who receive a ridiculous amount and don't do anything other than breed angers me.

crystal"

but when you have finished your studies and get the job you want you will be able to sit back and look at everything you have achieved and own and know you did that with your own hard work and money

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is a safety net not a life style choice

how many hours per week do fabsters have top work to earn 60 grand per year?."

I earn about £12,000

and work about 60 hours a week,

but that is my choice, and I am happy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As long as no laws are being broken, I cant see what the problem is, there is a benefits system, with rules, as long as people abide by the rules, no harm is being done,

Why is it rightfully her's ? She's never worked do never paid in. Fair enough don't let the children starve but a 6 bedroom house costing half a million really !!!!! And it's in the express as well as the mail so does that help those who disbelief because of who reports it

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"It is a safety net not a life style choice

how many hours per week do fabsters have top work to earn 60 grand per year?.

I earn about £12,000

and work about 60 hours a week,

but that is my choice, and I am happy."

and your last sentence is key I feel.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others.

there is a big rise in heating fuels with a cold winter looming and many pensioners are wondering do i eat?,or do i heat?,whilst spongers are wasting money they have nbot earned..

by the way,do you work and pay tax?."

We ALL pay tax, working or otherwise.

I'm tired of hearing about "the tax payer" it's another government propaganda trick.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"As long as no laws are being broken, I cant see what the problem is, there is a benefits system, with rules, as long as people abide by the rules, no harm is being done,

Lol, no!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Benefits claimant always seems to be a hot potato of a subject. It annoys us that people from outside of the UK who come here seem to be able to claim when never have paid into our system. Then there are those who really want to work and struggle to get a job. Of course you then have the other side of things when you have those that feel the system owes them and have no intention of working . The whole system needs a real shake up not some half hearted attempt.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others.

there is a big rise in heating fuels with a cold winter looming and many pensioners are wondering do i eat?,or do i heat?,whilst spongers are wasting money they have nbot earned..

by the way,do you work and pay tax?.

We ALL pay tax, working or otherwise.

I'm tired of hearing about "the tax payer" it's another government propaganda trick."

oh but didn't you know "scroungers" are axempt from vat

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is a safety net not a life style choice

how many hours per week do fabsters have top work to earn 60 grand per year?.

I earn about £12,000

and work about 60 hours a week,

but that is my choice, and I am happy."

£3.83 per hour WOW !!!

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By *osweet69Couple over a year ago

portsmouth

"As long as no laws are being broken, I cant see what the problem is, there is a benefits system, with rules, as long as people abide by the rules, no harm is being done,

If for some reason you don't agree with the rules/ law, its up to you to get them changed, by voting for , whoever you have most belief in, or people who see things your way, Please don't blame the recipients of money that is legally so rightfully theirs.You are quite right in one way the benefit system is wrong and needs changing but so do peoples attitudes toward it. It is a safety net not a life style choice

it isn't the lifestyle choice of as many people as "they" would have you beleive and by "they" I mean politicians and red tops"
Maybe but I do not believe what I read only what I see. So that comment comes from the people I actually know and know about myself.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Give them fuck all, make them work to support their kids, they might think twice before having more kids"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is benefit cap in place so this as much to with another set of press aimed at tarring all folk on benefits as scroungers.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"It is a safety net not a life style choice

how many hours per week do fabsters have top work to earn 60 grand per year?."

I used to earn 75k working 40-60 hours a week. I have a very good degree from a top university which I worked very hard for. I paid plenty of tax.

I got ill and am now scraping by on benefit.

Guess which I preferred?

Oh and while we are talking about benefits, if you knew the reality for most claiming benefit and just how difficult it is to get out of the system once in it, I think you'd see things differently.

Getting ill and having to claim certainly opened my eyes. I would never have believed the reality if I wasn't living it every day.

So, go on, hate me for claiming. Call me a lazy scrounger. Every-fucking-one else does. It really helps me feel good about myself and is a great grounding for getting well and being able to find a decent job.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others.

there is a big rise in heating fuels with a cold winter looming and many pensioners are wondering do i eat?,or do i heat?,whilst spongers are wasting money they have nbot earned..

by the way,do you work and pay tax?."

Broadband, plasma tv, car and sky channels? Doesn't leave a lot of cash for food, clothes, electric and gas from £70 a week benefits does it! Can i just ask? Do you actually know all these people who have these things? Or are you just listening to propaganda?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others."

Is she not abusing the benefit system though? Never intending to work whilst dropping sprog after sprog with the aim of continual handouts at the cost of hardworking taxpayers?

Problem being is if you make it difficult for her you make it difficult for the children who have no choice in the matter so we must continue to pay for her morally bankrupt attitude.

The money she actually receives will be less than the amount stated as it will be rent and council tax etc so it is not all money in her pockets but what she would need to earn to make it worthwhile to find a paying job. It's never going to happen...

The government could introduce new rules to reduce payments for people who plan to do in the future as this woman has already done. I'm sure our tax pounds could be better spent elsewhere on things most of us would deem more worthwhile. Contraception is after all free when claiming benefits and in some cases even whilst working.

If there is a system people will play it, usually to the detriment of most of the other people in that system be it tax or benefits.

Jealous? No. But as a society we pay for what she claims and she is milking the system just as Starbucks and Amazon etc are milking the tax system, live and let live though...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As soon as you start to force population control then it would be state vs the Catholic Church. Religion maybe on the decline but that is a massive issue in matters of state.

The global world stage is more complex than just saying no.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

when you are self employed and work from home there is no such thing as a minimum wage..I have to work to support myself, and that is my choice..

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others.

there is a big rise in heating fuels with a cold winter looming and many pensioners are wondering do i eat?,or do i heat?,whilst spongers are wasting money they have nbot earned..

by the way,do you work and pay tax?.

We ALL pay tax, working or otherwise.

I'm tired of hearing about "the tax payer" it's another government propaganda trick.

oh but didn't you know "scroungers" are axempt from vat

And fuel duty and council tax etc etc. Oh and they wouldn't have to pay income tax like everyone else if their income was actually high enough.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is a safety net not a life style choice

how many hours per week do fabsters have top work to earn 60 grand per year?."

As I only earn £16k a year working full time, I'd have to work 4 times the amount I do now to earn that kind of money

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

yeahh it might sound bad having so many kids and not being able to afford them...

has anyone(I really doubt the Mail has),checked out the science behind the population? present and future predictions?????

so lets stop anyone who is unemployed having children...Hmmm...I dunno...but I cant see how this logic applies

I can see the difference in a country that has millions dying in lets say proper starvation, population control is most likely a must(there is no point having children that are most likely to die before their parents..or die before they can become sexually reproductive(IMO)

Our system here allows us to squander millions of pounds(free choice) on the unnecessary niceties that essentially make our lives brilliant

If we (britain) as a nation can really claim we have starving children, I'd say that says something about our lack of adaption to eating possibly anything with nutrition in it

£1 can get me a reasonable amount of food a day, for survival purposes, but not for continued good health etc(I'm a slim,working full-time person on almost 1meal a day person, rarely tired or ill)

correct me anyone if I'm wrong or my opinions are shite lol

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

A) benefits cap coming in, she may get 60k at the moment, but that is coming down to £50,000

b) I was more interested in the story next to it about surrey being the dogging capital of the uk and having 100 major dogging sites....

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By *ilkchocolate87Man over a year ago

sw london

"Give them fuck all, make them work to support their kids, they might think twice before having more kids"

Agreed

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"A) benefits cap coming in, she may get 60k at the moment, but that is coming down to £50,000

b) I was more interested in the story next to it about surrey being the dogging capital of the uk and having 100 major dogging sites....

It's going to be way under 50,000 it's £26,000 a year..

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I love these threads. Most people haven't got even half a clue about the reality of the situation.

I'm leaving this thread now and not reading further before I start bursting blood vessels.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A) benefits cap coming in, she may get 60k at the moment, but that is coming down to £50,000

b) I was more interested in the story next to it about surrey being the dogging capital of the uk and having 100 major dogging sites....

B)yeahh, for those on benefits...with caps

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Put them in the stocks!! Public flogging! Sell their children into slavery! !

even that's too good for them!

Well we could make them pay for the stocks and the whip.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Give them fuck all, make them work to support their kids, they might think twice before having more kids

Agreed"

Yeah it may seem like a good idea but it's innocent children that will end up hurt! More children took away and put in care due to neglect! Giving them nothing isn't going to help it would just cost more in the long run

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By *rivate auditionsMan over a year ago

West Midlands

"60 grand a year? Over a grand a week? Can i ask what article it is you read so that i can read it? Then i could reply knowing the facts.

its on the mail website, yes i know, but its also going to be in a documentry on monday

Oh right. The daily mail. That won't be a biased peice of news then will it!"

it can only be true if its reported in the daily mirror or the socialist worker according to some on this forum!.

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By *rivate auditionsMan over a year ago

West Midlands

"I love these threads. Most people haven't got even half a clue about the reality of the situation.

I'm leaving this thread now and not reading further before I start bursting blood vessels. "

bye bye!.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Put them in the stocks!! Public flogging! Sell their children into slavery! !

even that's too good for them!

Well we could make them pay for the stocks and the whip.

But then, we'd get all those tedious threads asking "why are us tax payers paying for the stocks and rotten veg out of our taxes"!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

make them work?............er...at what...lets create some invisible sustainable jobs...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is a safety net not a life style choice

how many hours per week do fabsters have top work to earn 60 grand per year?.

I used to earn 75k working 40-60 hours a week. I have a very good degree from a top university which I worked very hard for. I paid plenty of tax.

I got ill and am now scraping by on benefit.

Guess which I preferred?

Oh and while we are talking about benefits, if you knew the reality for most claiming benefit and just how difficult it is to get out of the system once in it, I think you'd see things differently.

Getting ill and having to claim certainly opened my eyes. I would never have believed the reality if I wasn't living it every day.

And I can imagine it was a huge shock to your system, benefits are not enough to support a decent lifestyle such as yours previously was, you worked and paid your way and through no fault of your own fell on hard times.

You don't say you went on to have 11 children and would not jump at the chance to get back into work.

Not all people on benefits are scroungers, far from it.

There are however cases such as this lady with 11 children where it is blatantly obvious where they are playing the system.

How you prevent this happening is difficult if you don't want to also make it very hard for genuine claimants.

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By *rivate auditionsMan over a year ago

West Midlands

"It is a safety net not a life style choice

how many hours per week do fabsters have top work to earn 60 grand per year?.

As I only earn £16k a year working full time, I'd have to work 4 times the amount I do now to earn that kind of money"

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"Give them fuck all, make them work to support their kids, they might think twice before having more kids

Agreed"

"them" and "they" might one day be "I" and,"us". Until you've lived through unemployment, redundancy, ill health you won't know what its like, there's a human story behind every benefit claim and it isn't always that of a scrounger. My father is 86, he claims pension credit.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"make them work?............er...at what...lets create some invisible sustainable jobs..."

Exactly!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"make them work?............er...at what...lets create some invisible sustainable jobs..."

If only it was that easy.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"I love these threads. Most people haven't got even half a clue about the reality of the situation.

I'm leaving this thread now and not reading further before I start bursting blood vessels. "

Don't leave, we agree with your _iews. I'm not prepared to go into our life story but what I see here, the lack of understanding, humanity and basic knowledge of unemployment figures versus jobs available makes very sad.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"make them work?............er...at what...lets create some invisible sustainable jobs...

If only it was that easy.

lol

As i've said before on mountains of the same threads, as we progress in automation of almost everything...thousands of "safe" jobs will be going in the next 5?10?20?years...

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By *riendly foeWoman over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814

Just read the story...

Gawd, she really needs to change her attitude! No wonder people are against her....

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

I've taken to playing a little game. I read the 'contributions' posters make then try to guess who wrote it before looking at the author.

I get it right more often than not.

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By *wingerdelight OP Couple over a year ago

eastliegh

I think people are missing the original point of this thread. Its not about those who have fallen on hard times. But those who are blatantly using the benifit system with out regard to others

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"I've taken to playing a little game. I read the 'contributions' posters make then try to guess who wrote it before looking at the author.

I get it right more often than not."

I did the same thing with the source of this story. I got that right too.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"make them work?............er...at what...lets create some invisible sustainable jobs...

If only it was that easy.

lol

As i've said before on mountains of the same threads, as we progress in automation of almost everything...thousands of "safe" jobs will be going in the next 5?10?20?years...

Yes but it won't happen to ME.........will it?

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"I think people are missing the original point of this thread. Its not about those who have fallen on hard times. But those who are blatantly using the benifit system with out regard to others"

that may have been the original intent but it is usualy using one story such as this to berate all benefit claimants or unemployed people, who incidentally are not always the same thing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think people are missing the original point of this thread. Its not about those who have fallen on hard times. But those who are blatantly using the benifit system with out regard to others"

lol yeah...the politicians help with that too

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"I think people are missing the original point of this thread. Its not about those who have fallen on hard times. But those who are blatantly using the benifit system with out regard to others

that may have been the original intent but it is usualy using one story such as this to berate all benefit claimants or unemployed people, who incidentally are not always the same thing. "

I haven't seem the original story but I'm confident it only tells half the story - the half which best suits that particular paper's agenda.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The article states she worked at one point.

The worst thing (if true) she states she doesn't want paternal contributions.... ahem....

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"The article states she worked at one point.

The worst thing (if true) she states she doesn't want paternal contributions.... ahem...."

If only that had included semen.

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By *ilkchocolate87Man over a year ago

sw london

Should of used contraception

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By *winkletoes80Woman over a year ago

redditch

Personally I think after 2 or 3 kids no more benefits ! If you can t afford to have them don't ! Simple

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In the usa , if someone is longterm unemployed, they will help with the first child but if that same person goes on to have another.........their money decreases....here it increases

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh , and the new programme centered once again on "benefit scroungers"

is reported to be purely propaganda and has actors playing the parts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh , and the new programme centered once again on "benefit scroungers"

is reported to be purely propaganda and has actors playing the parts

shameless

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"if they have them and they become unemployed, they should be supported until they find work.

good luck to all looking for work

Sounds fair although someone should be seen to be actively seeking employment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So what is worse the industrious business person who adds wealth to the economy and the country, but who may not pay the correct amount of taxation for whatever reason OR those who claim benefits who have no intention at all to work or to contribute to society - my support is to the former

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"So what is worse the industrious business person who adds wealth to the economy and the country, but who may not pay the correct amount of taxation for whatever reason .......... "

In other words, a criminal?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So what is worse the industrious business person who adds wealth to the economy and the country, but who may not pay the correct amount of taxation for whatever reason OR those who claim benefits who have no intention at all to work or to contribute to society - my support is to the former "

what about the thousands that have no time for raising families due to work(and through choice)?

those who might not have an intention to work might be claiming benefit yes, but they might also be raising and helping educate their children into society..they might not be contributing in the way 'working' people are, but many might point out that they are keeping the population going and producing the future workforces(if there is any ffs)

And if I'm thinking things right, for the unemployed, getting them into community action groups etc, would be something to improve communities... as for making them clean streets etc?-get some prison inmates to do that-they are the ones who should be means tested for their daily living no?

and before I get any leftie labeling, I was raised in one of the 'scummiest' schemes in glasgow..there were some good people who raised their children well and they ended up ok, contributing to the country

everythings not as black and white as papers like the Mail make it

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By *exystargirlWoman over a year ago

Warrington

Hmmmm appearing in the National and local papers telling her sad story but at no stage does it say "Heather Frost, didn't receive a penny for this inter_iew"

Tv inter_iews on Daybreak, travel, hotel and expenses which will be cash, tube, taxi then snacks, maybe go on the london eye!

I doubt she has told the benefit office about this extra income. She would of been the one who rang the papers and told them to bring x amount of cash with them.

She isn't bothered about what people think, the papers have a benefit bashing story so it's win win for both parties. My uncle works for a paper in Manchester and cash is used alot for getting stories and hardly has a paper trail. It wouldn't be been a few hundred quid, She could of got between 5 and 10 grand for that story and letting them get photos, the whole lot.

My sister use to work for the council dealing with checking forms, points wise to see if you qualify or not.

She says they know the benefit system inside out. If they claim the dole after 6 months they go the doctors about feeling depressed, so end up on the sick. Then sell the tablets on the side.

Then they start claiming disability benefit with a bad back, know how to get the max points with what they say on the form, when and where. As the forms often repeat the same questions but worded different, to catch people out. She seen it to often but reporting it got ignored as the council got extra funding themselfs at the highest band due to where they lived (Runcorn) being one of the worse deprived areas in the UK.

The papers, news channels often lie and distort the truth and how people on benefits are scum, living the high life.

But they never report the story about a man to cut his own throat in a benefit office(also Runcorn) as he can't afford the £120 a month in bedroom tax and had to choose between eat or heat each night. Thankfully people were there to help him right away, but no person should ever end up like way, that they think ending it is the best option.

I've fell out with a couple who aren't on any benefits, nice house, car etc. But went down to the local food bank with their kids as they knew the old ladies at the church, would be up half the night worrying with they dad claiming the kids wont eat tonight.

As even tho people are meant to have sum form of card which the food bank logs. This couple and many others I'm sure do the same, something for nothing.

I told the local foodbank and took a picture of the couple so the staff knew. Also said if they come again, look at their car, a sodding Porsche Cayenne.

Was going to tell the police but left it with the foodbank, if they wanted to take the next step pass on my details.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The attitude of some on here fortunate enough to be able to and snd have a job astounds me.

As one of other posters mentioned harsh reality of claiming and livong off benefits is far different to the odd stories in press.

I worked most of my life until last couple of years and know all too well how hard things are and no it is not case of self pity but reality.

As others o paid my taxes etc and going to jobcentre is not the best experience as folk treat and look down on you as some here do because for various reasons people end up out of work.

Hopefully none of those believing press and government propaganda never end up out of work.

If half the effort by government was used on tax evasion by folk then i could accept the attacks on jobless for what they are which are easy targets.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hmmmm...I think some USA company directors embezzled billions ...causing people to lose their homes,lives,loved ones(through suicide)

just because white collar crime doesnt have blood on it doesnt mean its any better than violent crime

ooh is benefit fraud grime collared crime?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The attitude of some on here fortunate enough to be able to and snd have a job astounds me.

As one of other posters mentioned harsh reality of claiming and livong off benefits is far different to the odd stories in press.

I worked most of my life until last couple of years and know all too well how hard things are and no it is not case of self pity but reality.

As others o paid my taxes etc and going to jobcentre is not the best experience as folk treat and look down on you as some here do because for various reasons people end up out of work.

Hopefully none of those believing press and government propaganda never end up out of work.

If half the effort by government was used on tax evasion by folk then i could accept the attacks on jobless for what they are which are easy targets."

Take my word on this, the government (HMRC) are being very ruthless with taxpayers at the momment- they are being very very heavy handed. Small and medium sized business are being targeted, and they are actually the cornerstone of this country

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

You say that as if you think it's a bad thing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others."

Who on earth could be jealous of these freeloaders ?? I don't think jealousy comes into it. It just makes my blood boil that this problem is no closer to being solved and is only getting worse.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

it just seems that politicians make things worse than better, the whole system needs a complete overhaul, and we need to start with MP/MSP's and their expenses system. some of them claim for more in a month than these people who have 11 kids get in a year. the solution starts at the top

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

" the solution starts at the top"

the solution starts with everyone...

the scroungers: the people with zero intention of work and will ponce off others from now till doomsday

the tax evaders: the rich who break the law and evade and the people doing work and not paying their full due.

the abusers of expenses by breaking the rules/law: prosecute them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others.

Many fought and died so that we could have freedom of choice.

Agreed. And my choice would be that they don't receive benefits in the form of cash that can be used to by anything, but a system whereby only essentials can be obtained. Healthy food and adequate clothing. No luxury goods/designer gear.

Watch them try to get out and earn some money then !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others.

Many fought and died so that we could have freedom of choice.

Watch them try to get out and earn some money then !"

That should be "buy"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" the solution starts at the top

the solution starts with everyone...

the scroungers: the people with zero intention of work and will ponce off others from now till doomsday

the tax evaders: the rich who break the law and evade and the people doing work and not paying their full due.

the abusers of expenses by breaking the rules/law: prosecute them"

The scoungers: people who are not in work

The tax evaders: the people who are "Supposed to be hiring people and don't to keep profits high"

The expense paid MP's: get far too much money when we are all supposed to have less because of this "Debt Deficit"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"60 grand a year? Over a grand a week? Can i ask what article it is you read so that i can read it? Then i could reply knowing the facts."

Agreed, probably the daily mail...

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

The scoungers: people who are not in work

I didnt say that.... I said the ones who have no intention to work

Not the ones seeking employment, all the best to them, as per the second post on this thread

just for clarity, there is a huge difference

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The scoungers: people who are not in work

I didnt say that.... I said the ones who have no intention to work

Not the ones seeking employment, all the best to them, as per the second post on this thread

just for clarity, there is a huge difference"

I know some people have no intention of looking for work, but just now there is very little proper full time work. alot of people with families will be made poorer by taking a part time job, but because they are on the same benefit, they get tarred with the same brush.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

The scoungers: people who are not in work

I didnt say that.... I said the ones who have no intention to work

Not the ones seeking employment, all the best to them, as per the second post on this thread

just for clarity, there is a huge difference

they aren't tarred like that by me.

the last time you posted, I said to you about the contact centres in your area recruiting, you advised you were looking for data entry work as you had difficulty with voice based work

I also advised friends of mine have just been taken on at Amazon close to you. Manual work and full time.

good luck

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Watch them try to get out and earn some money then !"

See that just to me strikes me persecution... Do you actually realise how hard it is now to manage on benefits.

It's not about flat screen tvs... But being able to maintain a life... If I want to buy my kids nice clothes, currently I save.. I certainly don't have this huge load of disposable income that the papers would have people believe that us single mum's with lots of kids get. And I'm on the top end of the scale really, as have a seriously disabled child.

I would swap every penny to have my daughter without her disabilities.. but I get lumped in their with everyone else.

My previous job suited me as I was contacted to do so many hours but no set times.. it didn't matter if I had to have a week off because my daughter was in hospital... Or I was at meetings etc..

I love going out to work, but don't see it in the near future... But I still look... Mostly the minute they see what I need They aren't interested.

Xmas is coming and only way I have anything to cover it is from photos and stuff I have on an adult website...

But of course, I should have my income cut further and not be able to buy anything other than what someone else thinks I need.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So nice to see so many non judgmental people posting.

A whole group,some of whome are genuinely disabled through no fault of their own,being labeled by the present government as "Benefit Scroungers" not fit to be part of "OUR" society.

I hang my head in shame,that this once great country, has turned into what it has.

All because a few very rich people,dont want to pay income/capital gains tax.

The same and only ones, that have actually had a tax cut as well................

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Put them in the stocks!! Public flogging! Sell their children into slavery! !

even that's too good for them!

Well we could make them pay for the stocks and the whip.

But then, we'd get all those tedious threads asking "why are us tax payers paying for the stocks and rotten veg out of our taxes"!

I blame the Victorians for stopping kids working in the mines.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I looked into it: Nothing

I tried amazon twice last year: nothing

I never said you tarred anyone with anything, people only see what they want to see. i was looking at the problem and proposing a solution, people are too quick to judge and make assumptions on peoples living standards. it's also surprising how people are fine with people making an absolute fortune taking advantage of a bad economic situation while people are struggling to pay bills/buy food. if I gave you the impression you were bashing unemployed people I appologise

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

also my wife is looking for work now, as we decided it would be easier as she does not have the same restrictions as me

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By *exystargirlWoman over a year ago

Warrington

The Red Cross will this winter start collecting and distributing food aid to the needy in Britain for the first time since the Second World War, as welfare cuts and the economic downturn send soaring numbers of people to soup kitchens and food banks across Europe.

In what could be the start of an increased role in Britain for the Geneva-based charity best known for its work in disaster zones, its volunteers will be mobilised to go into supermarkets across the country at the end of November and ask shoppers to donate dry goods. The British Red Cross will then help FareShare, a charity working with the Trussell Trust and Tesco, distribute the packets and tins to food banks nationwide.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I've been donating to food banks for some time now. I've been homeless and penniless twice. One of those times not long after graduating uni.

There but for the grace of God... as they say folks. Stop sniping and develop a little compassion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've been donating to food banks for some time now. I've been homeless and penniless twice. One of those times not long after graduating uni.

There but for the grace of God... as they say folks. Stop sniping and develop a little compassion. "

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By *adyA01Woman over a year ago

Wellington

What gets my goat is the people who say, I can't get a job which is why I am on benefits! 4 years ago I was made redundant, I decided there and then not to work for someone else but to go out and find my own work, which I did and have survived! Now I am a lucky enough to have a profession that is basically recession proof, before anyone asks I am qualified by experience. However, if people really really want to go out there and earn their own money, what's wrong with a bucket and sponge?? Go wash some cars, then use some of your earnings to get some ladders and start washing windows! I pay £13 to have mine done, they take about 2O mins! Do the maths its a good earner!!

And you are your own boss!!!

I had someone ask me once if I would lend him some money as he was down on his luck, he also asked if he could stay in my spare room! I took him for a hot meal and offered to buy him a bucket and sponge so he could earn his own money!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

David Cameron walks into a sperm donor bank in London... "I'd like to donate some sperm" he says to the receptionist."Certainly Sir" replies the receptionist, "Have you donated before?""Yes" replies Cameron "You should have my details on your computer""Oh yes, I've found your details" says the receptionist "But I see you're going to need help. Shall I call your wife for you?""Why do I need help?" asks Cameron.The receptionist replies "Well, it says on your record that you're a fucking wanker...."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Watch them try to get out and earn some money then !

See that just to me strikes me persecution... Do you actually realise how hard it is now to manage on benefits.

I would swap every penny to have my daughter without her disabilities.. but I get lumped in their with everyone else.

My previous job suited me as I was contacted to do so many hours but no set times.. it didn't matter if I had to have a week off because my daughter was in hospital... Or I was at meetings etc..

I love going out to work, but don't see it in the near future... But I still look... Mostly the minute they see what I need They aren't interested.

Xmas is coming and only way I have anything to cover it is from photos and stuff I have on an adult website...

But of course, I should have my income cut further and not be able to buy anything other than what someone else thinks I need.

I agree that the vast majority of people claiming some form of benefit, are decent people with scruples and morals.As a family, we have had our ups and downs but are probably far luckier than some. I think the issue here is idiots that go on national TV and brag that they have more kids than the old woman who lived in a shoe, and have no intentions of not having any more because they, in their own words, are using the system because its a mugs game working when you can get it in handouts and benefits. They are very rare cases, but it is still a huge annoyance to hard working people, and people struggling on benefits.I guess some individuals are just brilliant at milking the system. Its just a pity they don't use their brilliance for a good cause.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"it just seems that politicians make things worse than better, the whole system needs a complete overhaul, and we need to start with MP/MSP's and their expenses system. some of them claim for more in a month than these people who have 11 kids get in a year. the solution starts at the top"

The bulk of an MPs expenses centre around the fact they're working away from home, just as anyone away from home on company business would expect their accommodation and subsistence costs to be met.

My brother lives in Glasgow and works 3-4 days a week in London. His weekly hotel/ food bill is c £1,100 + a return train fare to and from Euston.

MSPs are a bit different, although I suppose the same basic rule ought to apply to an MSP from (say) the Western Isles or Shetland. They can't exactly pop home for a sandwich at lunchtime.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Dont you think using MPs and working in the same sentence is a bit of an oxymoron.

With all those travel expenses,they certainly are not working in London.

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"make them work?............er...at what...lets create some invisible sustainable jobs...

If only it was that easy.

lol

As i've said before on mountains of the same threads, as we progress in automation of almost everything...thousands of "safe" jobs will be going in the next 5?10?20?years...

amazing how many people cannot appear to see this..."If I can get something quicker,more efficient(lets say cheaper) and easier..I can bypass the whole human element,I'll take that!"-thats how the world is progressing"
not just that wages in the country are currently racing to the bottom as companys seek to make even bigger profits ask yourself why anybody working for a company that makes in excess of a billion pounds a month profit can pay wage rates that are that low those on them have to claim benefits (tax credits) to be able to live . so in effect you the tax payer are subsidizing those profits from your taxes! something i find more obscene than any unemployed/disabled person claiming enough to exist on when they cannot find a job ?

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Dont you think using MPs and working in the same sentence is a bit of an oxymoron.

With all those travel expenses,they certainly are not working in London."

Have you watched BBC Parliament? PMQs or broadcasts from the Select Committee corridor?

It might not be work as a collier or a steelman might have known it but it's work.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"Dont you think using MPs and working in the same sentence is a bit of an oxymoron.

With all those travel expenses,they certainly are not working in London.

Have you watched BBC Parliament? PMQs or broadcasts from the Select Committee corridor?

It might not be work as a collier or a steelman might have known it but it's work."
I watch them occasionally but most of the time the MPs arent there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

When ever I see it on TV the chamber is more like a ghost town.

Maybe they are all in the cheap cut price smoking lounge eh ??????

Doing the secret deals that keep them in lucrative employment, after they leave politics.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"David Cameron walks into a sperm donor bank in London... "I'd like to donate some sperm" he says to the receptionist."Certainly Sir" replies the receptionist, "Have you donated before?""Yes" replies Cameron "You should have my details on your computer""Oh yes, I've found your details" says the receptionist "But I see you're going to need help. Shall I call your wife for you?""Why do I need help?" asks Cameron.The receptionist replies "Well, it says on your record that you're a fucking wanker...."

Firstly. If he's a wanker why does he need his wife ?

Secondly. What did your post add to a interesting debate ?

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Dont you think using MPs and working in the same sentence is a bit of an oxymoron.

With all those travel expenses,they certainly are not working in London.

Have you watched BBC Parliament? PMQs or broadcasts from the Select Committee corridor?

It might not be work as a collier or a steelman might have known it but it's work.I watch them occasionally but most of the time the MPs arent there."
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Not even MPs can be in the chamber AND in committee at the same time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So 600+ MPs just all happen to be in committee meetings,all day except when its PMQT.

No bloody wonder the country in the state its in, with that many committee meetings every day

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"So 600+ MPs just all happen to be in committee meetings,all day except when its PMQT.

No bloody wonder the country in the state its in, with that many committee meetings every day

It was Select Committees which exposed the tax avoiders, gralloched the bankers and had Murdoch close the News of the World.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Shame not one of those committees managed to do anything about it though.

MPs still claiming for things that would have had anyone in the private sector sacked (100mtr car journey = 3p)

As for closing the News Of The World, am sure every former employee is eternally grateful for being made into a benefit scrounger.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

lets just say theres scum at all levels, and pockets of fresh daisy scented air inbetween

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"So 600+ MPs just all happen to be in committee meetings,all day except when its PMQT.

No bloody wonder the country in the state its in, with that many committee meetings every day

It was Select Committees which exposed the tax avoiders, gralloched the bankers and had Murdoch close the News of the World."
Did these select committees expose the expenses scandal or was that the evil Telegraph Newspaper group?

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

Do turkeys vote for Xmas?

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"Do turkeys vote for Xmas?"
That's a no then.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Firstly. If he's a wanker why does he need his wife ?

Secondly. What did your post add to a interesting debate ? "

Lighten up, it's a joke

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

Firstly. If he's a wanker why does he need his wife ?

Secondly. What did your post add to a interesting debate ?

Lighten up, it's a joke

And it's true.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lighten up, it's a joke

I think everyone gathered that when you said he was giving something away that he actually owned

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Firstly. If he's a wanker why does he need his wife ?

Secondly. What did your post add to a interesting debate ?

Lighten up, it's a joke

Its not really though is it ?

And it dos'nt make sense does it ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Give them fuck all, make them work to support their kids, they might think twice before having more kids

I have 6 kids, although only four at home. My job was axed in April... So far only found part time stuff to help me get through. I've worked pretty much most of my adult life.. should I get nothing?

And what are you meant to do with those that can't work... Let their children starve..

And they are restricting benefits now... "
Good for you for doing part time work, you obviously have some standards and this will rub off on your kids. I think the op is trying to say that this woman has continued to have children knowing that the the tax payer will pick up the tab for her. Personally i think this is morally wrong, and i tend to avoid these threads as it makes my blood pressure go through the roof.

i have no problem with people claiming benefits who make an effort to work even if it is part time,but to just expect it because it is available is wrong

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is a safety net not a life style choice

how many hours per week do fabsters have top work to earn 60 grand per year?."
and that's a net amount not gross

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Think you will find the woman in question gets around £900 a week.

The report says you would need to earn £60k to take home the same as her.

She is on TV this week and can only assume she isnt doing it for free either.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Are we still flagellating the poor? Are your arms not tired?

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Are we still flagellating the poor? Are your arms not tired? "

Some folk seem to find it quite invigorating.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

The bulk of an MPs expenses centre around the fact they're working away from home, just as anyone away from home on company business would expect their accommodation and subsistence costs to be met.

My brother lives in Glasgow and works 3-4 days a week in London. His weekly hotel/ food bill is c £1,100 + a return train fare to and from Euston.

MSPs are a bit different, although I suppose the same basic rule ought to apply to an MSP from (say) the Western Isles or Shetland. They can't exactly pop home for a sandwich at lunchtime.

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Just looked up flights for a return from Glasgow to London. £82 pounds. What is your brother flying on? Private jet? Blimey.He's hard up isn't he?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think anyone should be able to have as many kids as they want as long as they are prepared to support them and not expect the state to do so.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Apparently she has them because she is depressed. Couldn't make it up could you?

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

The bulk of an MPs expenses centre around the fact they're working away from home, just as anyone away from home on company business would expect their accommodation and subsistence costs to be met.

My brother lives in Glasgow and works 3-4 days a week in London. His weekly hotel/ food bill is c £1,100 + a return train fare to and from Euston.

MSPs are a bit different, although I suppose the same basic rule ought to apply to an MSP from (say) the Western Isles or Shetland. They can't exactly pop home for a sandwich at lunchtime.

Just looked up flights for a return from Glasgow to London. £82 pounds. What is your brother flying on? Private jet? Blimey.He's hard up isn't he?

What has £82 got to do with a food and lodging tab of £1,100?

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

The bulk of an MPs expenses centre around the fact they're working away from home, just as anyone away from home on company business would expect their accommodation and subsistence costs to be met.

My brother lives in Glasgow and works 3-4 days a week in London. His weekly hotel/ food bill is c £1,100 + a return train fare to and from Euston.

MSPs are a bit different, although I suppose the same basic rule ought to apply to an MSP from (say) the Western Isles or Shetland. They can't exactly pop home for a sandwich at lunchtime.

Just looked up flights for a return from Glasgow to London. £82 pounds. What is your brother flying on? Private jet? Blimey.He's hard up isn't he?

What has £82 got to do with a food and lodging tab of £1,100?"
Taking it off that amount a lot. Where does he stay? The most expensive place possible?

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

The bulk of an MPs expenses centre around the fact they're working away from home, just as anyone away from home on company business would expect their accommodation and subsistence costs to be met.

My brother lives in Glasgow and works 3-4 days a week in London. His weekly hotel/ food bill is c £1,100 + a return train fare to and from Euston.

MSPs are a bit different, although I suppose the same basic rule ought to apply to an MSP from (say) the Western Isles or Shetland. They can't exactly pop home for a sandwich at lunchtime.

Just looked up flights for a return from Glasgow to London. £82 pounds. What is your brother flying on? Private jet? Blimey.He's hard up isn't he?

What has £82 got to do with a food and lodging tab of £1,100?Taking it off that amount a lot. Where does he stay? The most expensive place possible?"

You either haven't read or haven't understood my post. Either that or you can't do subtraction.

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By *antonkid1955Man over a year ago

cardiff

My parents brought us 7 kids up in a two bedroom house in Cardiff,, our dad worked but there was no benefit then,,just family allowance,,and that was it,,our mum worked part time,,but was always there when we came home from school,,to a hot meal,,fantastic parents,,for the state of the benefits system,,blame New Labour and the war criminal Tony Blair and his side kick Gordon Brown who should both stand in the dock in the Old Baily for what they have done to this once great country of ours..on charges of treason

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

The bulk of an MPs expenses centre around the fact they're working away from home, just as anyone away from home on company business would expect their accommodation and subsistence costs to be met.

My brother lives in Glasgow and works 3-4 days a week in London. His weekly hotel/ food bill is c £1,100 + a return train fare to and from Euston.

MSPs are a bit different, although I suppose the same basic rule ought to apply to an MSP from (say) the Western Isles or Shetland. They can't exactly pop home for a sandwich at lunchtime.

Just looked up flights for a return from Glasgow to London. £82 pounds. What is your brother flying on? Private jet? Blimey.He's hard up isn't he?

What has £82 got to do with a food and lodging tab of £1,100?Taking it off that amount a lot. Where does he stay? The most expensive place possible?

You either haven't read or haven't understood my post. Either that or you can't do subtraction."
3/4 days a week and that costs £1100 before travel costs you said? Think i read it correctly.Where was I mistaken?

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

The bulk of an MPs expenses centre around the fact they're working away from home, just as anyone away from home on company business would expect their accommodation and subsistence costs to be met.

My brother lives in Glasgow and works 3-4 days a week in London. His weekly hotel/ food bill is c £1,100 + a return train fare to and from Euston.

MSPs are a bit different, although I suppose the same basic rule ought to apply to an MSP from (say) the Western Isles or Shetland. They can't exactly pop home for a sandwich at lunchtime.

Just looked up flights for a return from Glasgow to London. £82 pounds. What is your brother flying on? Private jet? Blimey.He's hard up isn't he?

What has £82 got to do with a food and lodging tab of £1,100?Taking it off that amount a lot. Where does he stay? The most expensive place possible?

You either haven't read or haven't understood my post. Either that or you can't do subtraction.3/4 days a week and that costs £1100 before travel costs you said? Think i read it correctly.Where was I mistaken?"

What has an £82 air fare to do with anything, especially since he travels by train.

£1,100 for 3/4 nights hotel may seem expensive to you ...........

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well then did she post her address so we can go nick her 50 inch TV

The tax amn should pay more on more than 4 kids any you pay for it cannot put the kids in crea they will be better off in the long run. I bet not one of them 11 kids willl ever have a job

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why does it matter what other people do, we all have different, standards, morals and ethics, put your own house in order before you become jealous of others."

Jealous? Are u serious? Y wld u b jealous of sumone like that?

I get annoyed of ppl that cream off the social cos the poor old tax payer keeps having to pay for ppl like that. If u cant afford to pay for kids by working then u shdnt hv them. Too many hv them so they dont hv to work, its wrong

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By *amste13Couple over a year ago

manchester

I big factor is the cost of decent child care, we both work full time and struggle if we wanted anymore (not that either of us do) it would not be worth me working as currently paying out over half one of our salaries. I have a friend who had twins and she didn't go back to work for this very reason she would be working purely to pay some else to look after her kids.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Single workin mum here

Mortgage paid for by me

Top nursery for my son and i go without for myself. Two Kids is quite enough for me and had never imagined being a single mum

its Tough. Proud of myself

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By *wingerdelight OP Couple over a year ago

eastliegh

Love fab. No one has actually answered the question in over 150 replies

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Love fab. No one has actually answered the question in over 150 replies "

In answer to your Question they can not put a Limit on how many children they will pay for because for certain some children will end up Neglected.so they continue to carry on.

I Think anyway

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Love fab. No one has actually answered the question in over 150 replies "

my answer is no.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Quote from Oct 2012 BBC

Asked where a potential cap would be set, Mr Duncan Smith said: "My _iew, if you did this, you would start it for people who begin to have more than, say, two children."

He rejected suggestions this was about "penalising" people or simply saving money, insisting it was a question of fairness to those who were in work and paying taxes to support welfare.

"This is part of the process of saying there is a limit to the amount of welfare available and we need you to be positive about doing the right thing, to seek a job and to support your family."

It is not yet clear which child-related benefits would be covered by any cap and the BBC understands the plan would not come into effect until after the next general election - scheduled for 2015.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Blimey! why is it all the ones who have replied who are obviously on benefit immediately think they are included in the "benefits bashing"??!! Chill! I have read all the posts on here and not one has said that all people on benefits should be tarred with the same brush!

Before you give me a bashing....I worked for 30 years and recently lost my job due to ill health, so I am also on benefits...however, I used to be a benefit fraud investigator, so I have experience from both sides!!!

We are not talking about people who have worked and lost jobs, people who can no longer work due to ill health, people who are full time carers for someone etc....the OP is talking about a BLOODY SCROUNGER who has never and will never work in her life but thinks it is ok to bring more poor children in to this world, paid for by the tax payers (and for those who have said something about this, yes JSA is taxable....but you have to do fuck all for it so what is the point??! Most other benefits are NOT taxable)!

Reading the article (who cares what paper it is in, as we know it is more than likely true!) she has two kids who no longer live with her and ...guess what, they have council houses and are on benefits!!

Yes, OP, there should be a limit of children that this government pays for....other than dragging them in and forcibly sterilising them, there is nothing you can do about the amount they chose to have!

I could rant on forever about this subject (especailly after a few vodkas!) but just wanted to state that it is the government's fault for as long as they pay people like her, the longer people like her will take the piss and accept it!!

Grrrrrr! hic!!

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