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"People just wont be happy until they change everything to suit them and their minority group. No is my answer." It is a good way to involve minority groups though and people who want to belong here and become part of Britain. I would rather have one of them if they have the passion for Britain than a half arsed born here guy like Rio Ferdinand with his attitude to playing or the 3 lions. | |||
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"Right. 6 spaniards, a dutchman, 3 italians and wayne rooney? How the fuck can they say that's then an english team?" Forgot to say, and it's only the dutchman that speak english! | |||
"Right. 6 spaniards, a dutchman, 3 italians and wayne rooney? How the fuck can they say that's then an english team?" I know rooney is a ogre but he was born here. Besides Scotland already do it taking guys born in England to play for them and have for years. | |||
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"Right. 6 spaniards, a dutchman, 3 italians and wayne rooney? How the fuck can they say that's then an english team?" Does that matter? Surely it's just about winning. | |||
"Right. 6 spaniards, a dutchman, 3 italians and wayne rooney? How the fuck can they say that's then an english team? I know rooney is a ogre but he was born here. Besides Scotland already do it taking guys born in England to play for them and have for years. " Every team in the world does that! Not just the scots. It's using the players parentage. I think they can go as far back as great grandparents or something. | |||
"Right. 6 spaniards, a dutchman, 3 italians and wayne rooney? How the fuck can they say that's then an english team? Does that matter? Surely it's just about winning." Is it? Winning is important but you want people committed to the country they play for. | |||
"Right. 6 spaniards, a dutchman, 3 italians and wayne rooney? How the fuck can they say that's then an english team? Does that matter? Surely it's just about winning." True! Can imagine Lineker praising the big nigerian, i mean english forward on match of the day!  | |||
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"I'm not sure. If a person qualifies for citizenship because they have been here fir five years then they get a British passport. So surely that qualifies them to play for Scotland , Wales and NI as well. Who gets to chose who has them. ? " The managers fight it out live on telly. My money's on Strachan, he's a wee animal! | |||
"I'm not sure. If a person qualifies for citizenship because they have been here fir five years then they get a British passport. So surely that qualifies them to play for Scotland , Wales and NI as well. Who gets to chose who has them. ? The managers fight it out live on telly. My money's on Strachan, he's a wee animal! "Could be more interesting than the football. Seriously though if you came here as a child or a teenager and have grown up here why shouldn't you be allowed to play for England ? | |||
"Right. 6 spaniards, a dutchman, 3 italians and wayne rooney? How the fuck can they say that's then an english team? Does that matter? Surely it's just about winning. True! Can imagine Lineker praising the big nigerian, i mean english forward on match of the day! "Probably just the same as Kenny Miller praising his Scottish team mate the wee Oldham born Jordan Rhodes on scoring. | |||
"Right. 6 spaniards, a dutchman, 3 italians and wayne rooney? How the fuck can they say that's then an english team? I know rooney is a ogre but he was born here. Besides Scotland already do it taking guys born in England to play for them and have for years. " And England don't do the same.....Owen Hargreaves was born in Canada and he played for England, Terry Butcher was born in Singapore, Dominic Matteo is Scottish ,John Barnes is Jamaican...... | |||
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"Right. 6 spaniards, a dutchman, 3 italians and wayne rooney? How the fuck can they say that's then an english team? I know rooney is a ogre but he was born here. Besides Scotland already do it taking guys born in England to play for them and have for years. And England don't do the same.....Owen Hargreaves was born in Canada and he played for England, Terry Butcher was born in Singapore, Dominic Matteo is Scottish ,John Barnes is Jamaican......" I didn't say England dont do it did I? Granted they havent had 7 foreigners in the squat at one point as Scotland currently do now thats going a bot too far and stifles young Scottish players. | |||
"Right. 6 spaniards, a dutchman, 3 italians and wayne rooney? How the fuck can they say that's then an english team? Does that matter? Surely it's just about winning. True! Can imagine Lineker praising the big nigerian, i mean english forward on match of the day!
Probably just the same as Kenny Miller praising his Scottish team mate the wee Oldham born Jordan Rhodes on scoring."Born in Oldham. Brought up in Scotland. And his dad played scottish football at club level. He considers himself scottish. A world of difference than just coming over to play! | |||
"Right. 6 spaniards, a dutchman, 3 italians and wayne rooney? How the fuck can they say that's then an english team? Does that matter? Surely it's just about winning. True! Can imagine Lineker praising the big nigerian, i mean english forward on match of the day!
Probably just the same as Kenny Miller praising his Scottish team mate the wee Oldham born Jordan Rhodes on scoring.
Born in Oldham. Brought up in Scotland. And his dad played scottish football at club level. He considers himself scottish. A world of difference than just coming over to play!"Not really he was born in Oldham and lived and played in England all his life and not once played in Scotland. He wanted a higher profile so opted to play for Scotland for convenience and to progress his carer. For him it was a smart financial move. Then there are the rest. Matt Phillips - Born in England Russell Martin - Born in England George Boyd - Born in England Shaun Maloney - Born in Malaysia Steven Fletcher - Born in England Jamie Mackie - Born in England | |||
"Right. 6 spaniards, a dutchman, 3 italians and wayne rooney? How the fuck can they say that's then an english team? Does that matter? Surely it's just about winning. True! Can imagine Lineker praising the big nigerian, i mean english forward on match of the day!
Probably just the same as Kenny Miller praising his Scottish team mate the wee Oldham born Jordan Rhodes on scoring.
Born in Oldham. Brought up in Scotland. And his dad played scottish football at club level. He considers himself scottish. A world of difference than just coming over to play!"And he was on Barnsleys youth books at 12 so how was he brought up in Scotland?? | |||
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"Passport - simples, & the player then gets to choose between Eng, Scot, Wales & NI." If you went on passport then you would really have to have a British team so that one is out. Its either place of birth or residency (7years or more) for me if you are going to draw lines. | |||
"Right. 6 spaniards, a dutchman, 3 italians and wayne rooney? How the fuck can they say that's then an english team? Does that matter? Surely it's just about winning. True! Can imagine Lineker praising the big nigerian, i mean english forward on match of the day!
Probably just the same as Kenny Miller praising his Scottish team mate the wee Oldham born Jordan Rhodes on scoring.
Born in Oldham. Brought up in Scotland. And his dad played scottish football at club level. He considers himself scottish. A world of difference than just coming over to play!
Not really he was born in Oldham and lived and played in England all his life and not once played in Scotland. He wanted a higher profile so opted to play for Scotland for convenience and to progress his carer. For him it was a smart financial move.
Then there are the rest.
Matt Phillips - Born in England
Russell Martin - Born in England
George Boyd - Born in England
Shaun Maloney - Born in Malaysia
Steven Fletcher - Born in England
Jamie Mackie - Born in England
"Phillips-Both grandparents scottish Martin-Dad scottish Boyd-Grandad scottish Maloney-Mum scottish Fletcher-Mum scottish Mackie-Grandad scottish | |||
"Passport - simples, & the player then gets to choose between Eng, Scot, Wales & NI. If you went on passport then you would really have to have a British team so that one is out. Its either place of birth or residency (7years or more) for me if you are going to draw lines. " can you explain why you'd have to have a British team? I don't see why. | |||
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"With Immigration being so high. There is an argument/debate going on at the moment should immigrants who live in England be allowed to play for England or should it be an all English team and the main question is would foreign players make England a better team." No, if it's England they are playing for they should be born and bred in England, just my opinion be it right or wrong | |||
"who cares just because some kiss baller as said something the national press have gone in a little tizzy yet the English cricket,rugby and hockey teams never get a mention when the top players (johnny foreigners) represent and win things for this country. bloody over reported, over paid self perpetuating bubble that is football strikes again." I was starting to get caught up in this debate when I read this and came to my senses! I'm afraid the "national pride" of football is a bit of a farce. If you compare it to rugby where they've had world cup stars who were born in South Africa or Samoa there hasn't been half of the "oh why can't they all be born in the confines of the English borders crap". They hurl themselves into the fray for their country but far more importantly for their team mates. If the England football team fought as hard for each other let alone a flag they might get somewhere. Football is a totally self centred sport where being the best player is far more important than winning or being a team player sadly. Should immigrants play for England in football? Yes, if they're a team player and that also goes for ones born in England! | |||
"I'm not sure. If a person qualifies for citizenship because they have been here fir five years then they get a British passport. So surely that qualifies them to play for Scotland , Wales and NI as well. Who gets to chose who has them. ? " You never get British passport after 5 years been here. Rules are like also pass exam - English language with 12 TENSES, history, and Im so sorry I dont want be rude..English people use only max. 4 tenses and don't have idea about 8 others. Only maybe the teachers,so..Foregineers must to know about all of them ! Also work here, don't use any kind of government support like taxes, paid aprox £1300 for passport. I feeling sick when I read question like that. Maybe also we should ask about why English people play in teams in other countries? Why they work in other countries and they are not discriminate? They are treat like normal people. I should ask why my English neighbours live in my country? Give them a sample of questions like that? They are on pension from UK and they are live now near my home in Italy. Open mind needed not only in sex lol. And guys more empathy ! | |||
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"Right. 6 spaniards, a dutchman, 3 italians and wayne rooney? How the fuck can they say that's then an english team? Does that matter? Surely it's just about winning. True! Can imagine Lineker praising the big nigerian, i mean english forward on match of the day!
Probably just the same as Kenny Miller praising his Scottish team mate the wee Oldham born Jordan Rhodes on scoring.
Born in Oldham. Brought up in Scotland. And his dad played scottish football at club level. He considers himself scottish. A world of difference than just coming over to play!
Not really he was born in Oldham and lived and played in England all his life and not once played in Scotland. He wanted a higher profile so opted to play for Scotland for convenience and to progress his carer. For him it was a smart financial move.
Then there are the rest.
Matt Phillips - Born in England
Russell Martin - Born in England
George Boyd - Born in England
Shaun Maloney - Born in Malaysia
Steven Fletcher - Born in England
Jamie Mackie - Born in England
Phillips-Both grandparents scottish
Martin-Dad scottish
Boyd-Grandad scottish
Maloney-Mum scottish
Fletcher-Mum scottish
Mackie-Grandad scottish"The Irish have been using imports for the last two decades it seems that to qualify to pull on the green jersey you only need possess a Dubliners LP. | |||
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"I'm not sure. If a person qualifies for citizenship because they have been here fir five years then they get a British passport. So surely that qualifies them to play for Scotland , Wales and NI as well. Who gets to chose who has them. ? You never get British passport after 5 years been here. Rules are like also pass exam - English language with 12 TENSES, history, and Im so sorry I dont want be rude..English people use only max. 4 tenses and don't have idea about 8 others. Only maybe the teachers,so..Foregineers must to know about all of them ! Also work here, don't use any kind of government support like taxes, paid aprox £1300 for passport. I feeling sick when I read question like that. Maybe also we should ask about why English people play in teams in other countries? Why they work in other countries and they are not discriminate? They are treat like normal people. I should ask why my English neighbours live in my country? Give them a sample of questions like that? They are on pension from UK and they are live now near my home in Italy. Open mind needed not only in sex lol. And guys more empathy ! " But would your neighbours be welcome to represent Italy in the next World Cup?? | |||
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"Right. 6 spaniards, a dutchman, 3 italians and wayne rooney? How the fuck can they say that's then an english team? Does that matter? Surely it's just about winning." Anything to win the world cup!!! ha ha | |||
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"dont remember all this fuss when hargreaves was brought into the national side. i suppose he did have an english mom, but her pussy on the way out, was the closest he had ever been to this country, til being picked...." Welsh mother, English father, himself born in canada | |||
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"If you hold a British Passport then what's the problem ? "this is the point... you have to have a british passport to represent the country.. so if they is via parentage... or via residency they still need to have one!!! how many great "british" sportspeople would you have missed out on if you have to have been Born in the UK..... psst.... for example.... bradley wiggins | |||
"With Immigration being so high. There is an argument/debate going on at the moment should immigrants who live in England be allowed to play for England or should it be an all English team and the main question is would foreign players make England a better team." To answer the main question, the right foreign players would of course make for a better England football team. | |||
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"Can you elaborate on your comment "Residency is not an option. By that logic Maddie McCann could play for Portugal!" Hope it wasn't a cheap joke" I think it was a shit joke | |||
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"The whole system is a mess right now. If you are not going to have country of birth then you have to be open to immigrants coming into the uk getting citizenship and being able to represent that country. Surely its far better than the football flag of convenience some use with even grandparents qualifying someone for that country when the player has never even lived there. Now that to me is a total farce! If someone has lived and worked in a country for 5 years surely they have more right than these guys who have lived all their life somewhere else but qualify because of one parent or grandparent. " okay..... devils advocate... lets put a face to this..... I am american born.. British Mum (by way of the Carribean) American Dad, lived there till I was 14.... then lived here If I was good Enough should I have been allowed to play for England in your eyes????? or to compete for Great Britain in any sport?? | |||
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"So for those saying born and "Bred", does that mean their parents also have to be born in England?" ah no, its half 'baked' lol | |||
"dont remember all this fuss when hargreaves was brought into the national side. i suppose he did have an english mom, but her pussy on the way out, was the closest he had ever been to this country, til being picked.... Welsh mother, English father, himself born in canada" ahh, thats even worse then it was just the beginning bit that was english, not even the escape hatch!!! lol comment still stands. imo, if someone is proud to represent the flag, and the country, then they should be allowed, no matter where they were born. look at all the lads that play for african countries, whose parents were born there, but they were born here, just because they have no chance, or a slimmer chance, of playing for this country. should we be getting onto them because they are pretty much stating they like ivory coast/nigeria/sth africa and so on, more than the country they were born in? | |||
"With Immigration being so high. There is an argument/debate going on at the moment should immigrants who live in England be allowed to play for England or should it be an all English team and the main question is would foreign players make England a better team." well they let scots and irish and welsh in the english team dont they, myself i think england team should be 100% english and so on otherwise just call it UNITED KINGDOM FOOTIE TEAM lol  | |||
"dont remember all this fuss when hargreaves was brought into the national side. i suppose he did have an english mom, but her pussy on the way out, was the closest he had ever been to this country, til being picked.... Welsh mother, English father, himself born in canada ahh, thats even worse then it was just the beginning bit that was english, not even the escape hatch!!! lol comment still stands. imo, if someone is proud to represent the flag, and the country, then they should be allowed, no matter where they were born. look at all the lads that play for african countries, whose parents were born there, but they were born here, just because they have no chance, or a slimmer chance, of playing for this country. should we be getting onto them because they are pretty much stating they like ivory coast/nigeria/sth africa and so on, more than the country they were born in? " ENGLAND is not a country though is it BRITAIN is the country made up of English Scots Welsh and Northern Irelanders lol | |||
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"As stated on the other thread the answer is the passport. If you haven't got a UK passport you shouldn't be on the team."  | |||
"The clue is in the name: national! But I have a feeling that's not the real question being asked." Saved me typing  | |||
"dont remember all this fuss when hargreaves was brought into the national side. i suppose he did have an english mom, but her pussy on the way out, was the closest he had ever been to this country, til being picked.... Welsh mother, English father, himself born in canada ahh, thats even worse then it was just the beginning bit that was english, not even the escape hatch!!! lol comment still stands. imo, if someone is proud to represent the flag, and the country, then they should be allowed, no matter where they were born. look at all the lads that play for african countries, whose parents were born there, but they were born here, just because they have no chance, or a slimmer chance, of playing for this country. should we be getting onto them because they are pretty much stating they like ivory coast/nigeria/sth africa and so on, more than the country they were born in? ENGLAND is not a country though is it BRITAIN is the country made up of English Scots Welsh and Northern Irelanders lol" really? England isnt a country? oh my life, some people really do amaze me. the UK is a UNITY made up of different COUNTRIES. why the hell do you think SCOTLAND is trying to go it alone? do you think it would be the same if KENT wanted devolution? truly truly ridiculous | |||
"England isnt a country? oh my life, some people really do amaze me. the UK is a UNITY made up of different COUNTRIES. why the hell do you think SCOTLAND is trying to go it alone? do you think it would be the same if KENT wanted devolution? truly truly ridiculous" Geography 101 | |||
"dont remember all this fuss when hargreaves was brought into the national side. i suppose he did have an english mom, but her pussy on the way out, was the closest he had ever been to this country, til being picked.... Welsh mother, English father, himself born in canada ahh, thats even worse then it was just the beginning bit that was english, not even the escape hatch!!! lol comment still stands. imo, if someone is proud to represent the flag, and the country, then they should be allowed, no matter where they were born. look at all the lads that play for african countries, whose parents were born there, but they were born here, just because they have no chance, or a slimmer chance, of playing for this country. should we be getting onto them because they are pretty much stating they like ivory coast/nigeria/sth africa and so on, more than the country they were born in? ENGLAND is not a country though is it BRITAIN is the country made up of English Scots Welsh and Northern Irelanders lol really? England isnt a country? oh my life, some people really do amaze me. the UK is a UNITY made up of different COUNTRIES. why the hell do you think SCOTLAND is trying to go it alone? do you think it would be the same if KENT wanted devolution? truly truly ridiculous" Actually it's not that clear cut. Great Britain is made up of Wales, Scotland and England and then add Northern Ireland and you've got you've got the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Technically England, Scotland, N. Ireland and Wales aren't countries reccognised internationally (you don't get an English passport) but at the same time they are countries. For example there is not English Government (not since 1707) so it has not global representation. | |||
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"okay then... quick question for anyone saying no.... Define "foreigner"....." the glib answer, is anyone not born in this country, but im with you. as said, if you have a sense that you feel 'english' (or british for those that feel there is no such thing as England) then i for one (born of welsh, english and dutch grandparents) say why the hell not. i see no wrong, if you are prepared to fight for the flag of st george, and sing the national anthem (even 'english' players dont do this) then you are more than welcome in my book. | |||
"dont remember all this fuss when hargreaves was brought into the national side. i suppose he did have an english mom, but her pussy on the way out, was the closest he had ever been to this country, til being picked.... Welsh mother, English father, himself born in canada ahh, thats even worse then it was just the beginning bit that was english, not even the escape hatch!!! lol comment still stands. imo, if someone is proud to represent the flag, and the country, then they should be allowed, no matter where they were born. look at all the lads that play for african countries, whose parents were born there, but they were born here, just because they have no chance, or a slimmer chance, of playing for this country. should we be getting onto them because they are pretty much stating they like ivory coast/nigeria/sth africa and so on, more than the country they were born in? ENGLAND is not a country though is it BRITAIN is the country made up of English Scots Welsh and Northern Irelanders lol really? England isnt a country? oh my life, some people really do amaze me. the UK is a UNITY made up of different COUNTRIES. why the hell do you think SCOTLAND is trying to go it alone? do you think it would be the same if KENT wanted devolution? truly truly ridiculous" I'm surprised you're surprised at ignorance. | |||
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"okay then... quick question for anyone saying no.... Define "foreigner"....." Not white! That's right, I said it! | |||
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"okay then... quick question for anyone saying no.... Define "foreigner"..... the glib answer, is anyone not born in this country, but im with you. as said, if you have a sense that you feel 'english' (or british for those that feel there is no such thing as England) then i for one (born of welsh, english and dutch grandparents) say why the hell not. i see no wrong, if you are prepared to fight for the flag of st george, and sing the national anthem (even 'english' players dont do this) then you are more than welcome in my book." I felt like an Indian last night. A Chinese last week. Just coz you feel something does not make it any more real. | |||
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"So people born in Germany to British parents serving in the army is a foreigner even though they have a passport?" I was born in Tripoli, my dad was serving in the British army, does that make me a foreigner? | |||
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"Ok my personal view, bearing in mind I am not a football fan is this: UK football clubs should only have UK born players that can legitimately hold a UK passports, as it is now all Premier League teams have foriegn players and some teams are made up of lots of them so arent we in a situation already where UK teams are international teams? Makes a mockery of the European Cup doesnt it cos its just 2 international teams palying each other, not a UK team playing a German or Spanish team for example? I appreciate this theory is full of loop holes etc and I am braced for tons of abuse but as said... not a football fan so just a point of view "The difference is that we are discussing national teams. The champions league differs from the euro for this reason | |||
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"It's only a fucking game, who really cares......and walks out of this discussion shaking her head sadly. Pop corn anyone, an American invention, is it ok to eat it? "Mmmmm Popcorn!!! Totally forgotten what we were discussing now!!! | |||
"For me a foreigner is someone who grew up in another country but came here to settle for whatever reason. It has NOTHING to do with the colour of their skin." okay... lets open up a can of worms..... grew up in another country up till what age.... 0, 2, 5, 8, 10, ect ect ect...... | |||
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"For me a foreigner is someone who grew up in another country but came here to settle for whatever reason. It has NOTHING to do with the colour of their skin. okay... lets open up a can of worms..... grew up in another country up till what age.... 0, 2, 5, 8, 10, ect ect ect......" It would have to be on the basis that they came to this country as a "child" ie under 16  have attended school here and been absorbed into the youth football and then into club football ...
Not as an adult who has been bought by a priemership club ... | |||
"For me a foreigner is someone who grew up in another country but came here to settle for whatever reason. It has NOTHING to do with the colour of their skin. okay... lets open up a can of worms..... grew up in another country up till what age.... 0, 2, 5, 8, 10, ect ect ect......" Then you get boxers moving to Canada, winning an Olympic gold. Moving back to UK and saying I considered myself British all along! If you were not born in country you reside in you a foreign. Regardless of parentage, customs abided or age. | |||
"[Regarding immigrants playing for england then if the player was brought over as a child and lives here then yes but if the ommigrant came over as adult then no they should not be considered. /quote] "Why should that make a difference? | |||
"So people born in Germany to British parents serving in the army is a foreigner even though they have a passport?" Nope, because they were born to British parents, who work on British land - on the basis are entiltled to a British Passport - however it gets a little bit more complicated when you have a serviceperson married to a local - as dual citizenship is still a little grey area .... | |||
"[Regarding immigrants playing for england then if the player was brought over as a child and lives here then yes but if the ommigrant came over as adult then no they should not be considered. /quote]
Because as an adult thay have had the chance to play for their natural country and have chosen not to - for whatever personal reason ..
a child however, has naturalised in their new adopted country and therefore should qualify...
Why should that make a difference?" | |||
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"Woteva nationality your parents r? Woteva nationality your grandparents r? Lets all stic 2 that concept. " Why? If you go that far back why not 3, or 4 generations further. Far simpler to go with where they were born or where they choose to call their home and want to belong to. | |||
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"okay then... quick question for anyone saying no.... Define "foreigner"..... Not white! That's right, I said it!" What a strange thing to say! It's not about race at all! Anyway.... My problem with the current rules is that a player can play for a country at international level all the way from youth to under 21's and then if he isn't good enough for the senior squad he can then change his mind and play for a different nation. In my view, they should be able to pick from the countries they're eligible to represent at say.. 18 and from then on be unable to change. | |||
" Then you get boxers moving to Canada, winning an Olympic gold. Moving back to UK and saying I considered myself British all along! If you were not born in country you reside in you a foreign. Regardless of parentage, customs abided or age. " so that rules out Bradley Wiggins... he was born and raised in Belgium till the age of 2... that rules out Mo Farrah... he was born and raised in Somalia till the age of 7... that rules out Luol Deng... he was born and raised in sudan till the age of 10 that rules out Beth Tweddle.... she was born and raised in South Africa till the age of 2... that Rules out Laura Robson.... She was Born and raised in Australia till the age of 2, then moved to singapore.. she didn't reach the UK till she was 6 so are all of the "foreign"........ | |||
"It's " political correctness " getting out of hand. Wen I was growing-up. It was up2 the stage of your grandparents place of birth? and nationality? Now, any " Dick. / Tom. & Harry. " can play 4 any c*nt now, LMAO. " But it wasn't 30+ years ago people played for the country they where born in rather than look for wear one of their 4 grand parents might have been born in the hope of playing for them. | |||
"Woteva nationality your parents r? Woteva nationality your grandparents r? Lets all stic 2 that concept. " Sorry but was that actually English?  | |||
"Woteva nationality your parents r? Woteva nationality your grandparents r? Lets all stic 2 that concept. Sorry but was that actually English? "Txt writing for quickness. | |||
" Then you get boxers moving to Canada, winning an Olympic gold. Moving back to UK and saying I considered myself British all along! If you were not born in country you reside in you a foreign. Regardless of parentage, customs abided or age. so that rules out Bradley Wiggins... he was born and raised in Belgium till the age of 2... that rules out Mo Farrah... he was born and raised in Somalia till the age of 7... that rules out Luol Deng... he was born and raised in sudan till the age of 10 that rules out Beth Tweddle.... she was born and raised in South Africa till the age of 2... that Rules out Laura Robson.... She was Born and raised in Australia till the age of 2, then moved to singapore.. she didn't reach the UK till she was 6 so are all of the "foreign"........ " That's correct.. I think it should be born there or nothing. They should have joined the squad they were born in. Think its a farce mo is a Brit icon when not British born. Same as Andy Murray British when wins but a Scot when loses! | |||
"Woteva nationality your parents r? Woteva nationality your grandparents r? Lets all stic 2 that concept. Sorry but was that actually English? "Do you feel better for pulling someone up on tier grammar?  | |||
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"in fact if foreign should only be allowed to join the British army. If reside here can fight for here. Why ain't they proud if their own heritage?" so good enough to represent the country to join the army, but not good enough to represent the country in anything else.... have I got that about right?... don't want to be accused of putting words in your mouth | |||
"in fact if foreign should only be allowed to join the British army. If reside here can fight for here. Why ain't they proud if their own heritage? so good enough to represent the country to join the army, but not good enough to represent the country in anything else.... have I got that about right?... don't want to be accused of putting words in your mouth" Yes. Where is the pride to play for your OWN Country? I say they should be exempt apart from armed forces. Simply as if want live here should be willing to fight also | |||
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"in fact if foreign should only be allowed to join the British army. If reside here can fight for here. Why ain't they proud if their own heritage? so good enough to represent the country to join the army, but not good enough to represent the country in anything else.... have I got that about right?... don't want to be accused of putting words in your mouth Yes. Where is the pride to play for your OWN Country? I say they should be exempt apart from armed forces. Simply as if want live here should be willing to fight also" So if you're an immigrant to this country for whatever reason then this isn't "your" country? Also, don't mean to be rude, but your concept of the armed forces needs updating. | |||
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"that is why I asked people to define "immigrant" and "foreigner"..... because I gave some examples above... and I bet you wouldn't accuse them of being "foreign" to their face..or in most decent company" The keyboard is strong in some
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"To represent GB is totally different to representing your own country so stay on track please. This is about the England national football team,nothing else. It's nothing to do with race but obviously gender,so anything else is not valid or relevant." hers the kicker... it actually isn't..... thats the red herring!! they have to use the same rules at a minimum that would be applied to ANY sport under the IOC banner....... | |||
"next they will want big wages and will lead to buy a country team a big no from me " Surely they'd get big wages if they earned them? If they're English they should be able to play for England. On what basis they become English I've little interest in other than that they contribute. Winning a world cup would be a good start.. | |||
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"Perhaps I need educating then Fabio. Does this mean the FA could be potentially overruled by FIFA regarding player selection ? Can't believe Sepp Blatter would do anything to piss off us English even more "no... what it means is that you have to have a passport for the country you are competing for, and you must meet the minimum requirements for nationality for that country.... be that thru Ancestry or Residency what they can do is add certain rules on top... so for example in the case of football, FIFA say you can not have represented another country... which is not the same for athletics (IAAF) or Cycling (UCI) for example the player in question at the moment who made this question arise, Adnan Januzaj, actually hasn't played international football at any level for anyone... which makes it such an interesting case as it stands at the moment, the player would not meet the requirements to play for England under the unique rules set out in the Home nations agreement. The Home nations agreement requires that players engage in a minimum of five years education under the age of 18 within the territory of the relevant association and do not offer national team eligibility through residency. it is the residency issue that is now being discussed, in the uk at the moment the residency rule to get a british passport is 7 years... which i why he would be potentially eligable is march 2018 | |||
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"His family fled Kosovo for Belgium. He sees himself as Kosovan, but they don't have a international team. " That's " tough " on his part. No way should he play for, England. | |||
"in fact if foreign should only be allowed to join the British army. If reside here can fight for here. Why ain't they proud if their own heritage? so good enough to represent the country to join the army, but not good enough to represent the country in anything else.... have I got that about right?... don't want to be accused of putting words in your mouth Yes. Where is the pride to play for your OWN Country? I say they should be exempt apart from armed forces. Simply as if want live here should be willing to fight also" i shake my head at the stupidity of this post, i really do. you are happy for 'johnny foreigner' to fight, and spill his/her blood for your safety, in your name, but you wont let him kick a bag of wind around a piece of grass? holy shit!! this thread is really really opening my eyes to peoples opinions on this island. wish some mp's were swingers on here, cuz they would get a shock at some of the attitudes being displayed | |||
"His family fled Kosovo for Belgium. He sees himself as Kosovan, but they don't have a international team. That's " tough " on his part. No way should he play for, England. " "tough"? So do you think if he lived here for a period of time you'd want him to support the England team? or should he never do that either? | |||
"in fact if foreign should only be allowed to join the British army. If reside here can fight for here. Why ain't they proud if their own heritage? so good enough to represent the country to join the army, but not good enough to represent the country in anything else.... have I got that about right?... don't want to be accused of putting words in your mouth Yes. Where is the pride to play for your OWN Country? I say they should be exempt apart from armed forces. Simply as if want live here should be willing to fight also i shake my head at the stupidity of this post, i really do. you are happy for 'johnny foreigner' to fight, and spill his/her blood for your safety, in your name, but you wont let him kick a bag of wind around a piece of grass? holy shit!! this thread is really really opening my eyes to peoples opinions on this island. wish some mp's were swingers on here, cuz they would get a shock at some of the attitudes being displayed" You really expect any different on here???  you are talking to people who pull the chair up to the 50in plasma have their England shirts on and imagine its them on the grass. They put cammo gear on to play Call of Duty too you can't expect them to pretend they are a guy with a foreign name while they are armchair footballing it. | |||
"in fact if foreign should only be allowed to join the British army. If reside here can fight for here. Why ain't they proud if their own heritage? so good enough to represent the country to join the army, but not good enough to represent the country in anything else.... have I got that about right?... don't want to be accused of putting words in your mouth Yes. Where is the pride to play for your OWN Country? I say they should be exempt apart from armed forces. Simply as if want live here should be willing to fight also i shake my head at the stupidity of this post, i really do. you are happy for 'johnny foreigner' to fight, and spill his/her blood for your safety, in your name, but you wont let him kick a bag of wind around a piece of grass? holy shit!! this thread is really really opening my eyes to peoples opinions on this island. wish some mp's were swingers on here, cuz they would get a shock at some of the attitudes being displayed You really expect any different on here??? you are talking to people who pull the chair up to the 50in plasma have their England shirts on and imagine its them on the grass. They put cammo gear on to play Call of Duty too you can't expect them to pretend they are a guy with a foreign name while they are armchair footballing it. "dude, honestly, i know some right idiots lurk around these parts. but to say you are happy to see some bloke die in your name, but not kick a football around, brings whole new meaning to being up your own arse. i really honestly cant get my head round it. now i know why the campaign for the Ghurkas to settle here took so long, with such intraspective views. | |||
"I'm not sure. If a person qualifies for citizenship because they have been here fir five years then they get a British passport. So surely that qualifies them to play for Scotland , Wales and NI as well. Who gets to chose who has them. ? You never get British passport after 5 years been here. Rules are like also pass exam - English language with 12 TENSES, history, and Im so sorry I dont want be rude..English people use only max. 4 tenses and don't have idea about 8 others. Only maybe the teachers,so..Foregineers must to know about all of them ! Also work here, don't use any kind of government support like taxes, paid aprox £1300 for passport. I feeling sick when I read question like that. Maybe also we should ask about why English people play in teams in other countries? Why they work in other countries and they are not discriminate? They are treat like normal people. I should ask why my English neighbours live in my country? Give them a sample of questions like that? They are on pension from UK and they are live now near my home in Italy. Open mind needed not only in sex lol. And guys more empathy ! But would your neighbours be welcome to represent Italy in the next World Cup?? "italian rugby team already have Australian Luke McLean playing for them | |||
"in fact if foreign should only be allowed to join the British army. If reside here can fight for here. Why ain't they proud if their own heritage? so good enough to represent the country to join the army, but not good enough to represent the country in anything else.... have I got that about right?... don't want to be accused of putting words in your mouth Yes. Where is the pride to play for your OWN Country? I say they should be exempt apart from armed forces. Simply as if want live here should be willing to fight also i shake my head at the stupidity of this post, i really do. you are happy for 'johnny foreigner' to fight, and spill his/her blood for your safety, in your name, but you wont let him kick a bag of wind around a piece of grass? holy shit!! this thread is really really opening my eyes to peoples opinions on this island. wish some mp's were swingers on here, cuz they would get a shock at some of the attitudes being displayed You really expect any different on here??? you are talking to people who pull the chair up to the 50in plasma have their England shirts on and imagine its them on the grass. They put cammo gear on to play Call of Duty too you can't expect them to pretend they are a guy with a foreign name while they are armchair footballing it.
dude, honestly, i know some right idiots lurk around these parts.
but to say you are happy to see some bloke die in your name, but not kick a football around, brings whole new meaning to being up your own arse.
i really honestly cant get my head round it.
now i know why the campaign for the Ghurkas to settle here took so long, with such intraspective views."Joking apart its pretty disrespectful and a lot of the serving and guys who have served on here won't view it well and that's not a good position to be in frankly. You will always get the ones who think unless you are born here and have 4 generations plus lineage you dont belong its the dont come over here taking my job its my mop and my floor attitude which is pretty sad. | |||
"With Immigration being so high. There is an argument/debate going on at the moment should immigrants who live in England be allowed to play for England or should it be an all English team and the main question is would foreign players make England a better team." Former England captain was born in Singapore. | |||
"With Immigration being so high. There is an argument/debate going on at the moment should immigrants who live in England be allowed to play for England or should it be an all English team and the main question is would foreign players make England a better team.Former England captain was born in Singapore.Terry Butcher " | |||
"in fact if foreign should only be allowed to join the British army. If reside here can fight for here. Why ain't they proud if their own heritage? so good enough to represent the country to join the army, but not good enough to represent the country in anything else.... have I got that about right?... don't want to be accused of putting words in your mouth Yes. Where is the pride to play for your OWN Country? I say they should be exempt apart from armed forces. Simply as if want live here should be willing to fight also i shake my head at the stupidity of this post, i really do. you are happy for 'johnny foreigner' to fight, and spill his/her blood for your safety, in your name, but you wont let him kick a bag of wind around a piece of grass? holy shit!! this thread is really really opening my eyes to peoples opinions on this island. wish some mp's were swingers on here, cuz they would get a shock at some of the attitudes being displayed You really expect any different on here??? you are talking to people who pull the chair up to the 50in plasma have their England shirts on and imagine its them on the grass. They put cammo gear on to play Call of Duty too you can't expect them to pretend they are a guy with a foreign name while they are armchair footballing it.
dude, honestly, i know some right idiots lurk around these parts.
but to say you are happy to see some bloke die in your name, but not kick a football around, brings whole new meaning to being up your own arse.
i really honestly cant get my head round it.
now i know why the campaign for the Ghurkas to settle here took so long, with such intraspective views." | |||
"in fact if foreign should only be allowed to join the British army. If reside here can fight for here. Why ain't they proud if their own heritage? so good enough to represent the country to join the army, but not good enough to represent the country in anything else.... have I got that about right?... don't want to be accused of putting words in your mouth Yes. Where is the pride to play for your OWN Country? I say they should be exempt apart from armed forces. Simply as if want live here should be willing to fight also i shake my head at the stupidity of this post, i really do. you are happy for 'johnny foreigner' to fight, and spill his/her blood for your safety, in your name, but you wont let him kick a bag of wind around a piece of grass? holy shit!! this thread is really really opening my eyes to peoples opinions on this island. wish some mp's were swingers on here, cuz they would get a shock at some of the attitudes being displayed You really expect any different on here??? you are talking to people who pull the chair up to the 50in plasma have their England shirts on and imagine its them on the grass. They put cammo gear on to play Call of Duty too you can't expect them to pretend they are a guy with a foreign name while they are armchair footballing it. "I'm Scottish. Why do you think I beleive they should only be English!!!! | |||
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"in fact if foreign should only be allowed to join the British army. If reside here can fight for here. Why ain't they proud if their own heritage? so good enough to represent the country to join the army, but not good enough to represent the country in anything else.... have I got that about right?... don't want to be accused of putting words in your mouth Yes. Where is the pride to play for your OWN Country? I say they should be exempt apart from armed forces. Simply as if want live here should be willing to fight also i shake my head at the stupidity of this post, i really do. you are happy for 'johnny foreigner' to fight, and spill his/her blood for your safety, in your name, but you wont let him kick a bag of wind around a piece of grass? holy shit!! this thread is really really opening my eyes to peoples opinions on this island. wish some mp's were swingers on here, cuz they would get a shock at some of the attitudes being displayed You really expect any different on here??? you are talking to people who pull the chair up to the 50in plasma have their England shirts on and imagine its them on the grass. They put cammo gear on to play Call of Duty too you can't expect them to pretend they are a guy with a foreign name while they are armchair footballing it.
I'm Scottish. Why do you think I beleive they should only be English!!!! "We all know nobody is brave enough to go in and buy a Scottish shirt come on the sniggering would be deafening from the other shoppers! | |||
" You really expect any different on here??? you are talking to people who pull the chair up to the 50in plasma have their England shirts on and imagine its them on the grass. They put cammo gear on to play Call of Duty too you can't expect them to pretend they are a guy with a foreign name while they are armchair footballing it. "That's superb! Cammo gear on for Call of Duty! Laughed my arse off
As for the football kit, on twitter there's a feed called "fullkitwankers" which has candid shots of people wearing full kit (socks included) to the shops etc, it's hilarious
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" You really expect any different on here??? you are talking to people who pull the chair up to the 50in plasma have their England shirts on and imagine its them on the grass. They put cammo gear on to play Call of Duty too you can't expect them to pretend they are a guy with a foreign name while they are armchair footballing it.
That's superb! Cammo gear on for Call of Duty! Laughed my arse off
As for the football kit, on twitter there's a feed called "fullkitwankers" which has candid shots of people wearing full kit (socks included) to the shops etc, it's hilarious
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