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Not sure what that thread was either - but the system needs to change quickly to promote English born players into premiership teams - sadly in my opinion within the next 3/4 years it will be based upon Championship teams - by then we will be dreaming that we are ranked 17th in the world as we currently are now |
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No idea but did I mention I'm off to watch England play Friday night at wembley with work and I'm really excited, especially seeing as how the men at work are dead jealous  |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"No idea but did I mention I'm off to watch England play Friday night at wembley with work and I'm really excited, especially seeing as how the men at work are dead jealous "
You may have mentioned that. I think it was the last football thread on here. Remember it's for your client not you.
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"No idea but did I mention I'm off to watch England play Friday night at wembley with work and I'm really excited, especially seeing as how the men at work are dead jealous
You may have mentioned that. I think it was the last football thread on here. Remember it's for your client not you.
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I saw him today and told him we were going , if you could have seen his face and bless him the high 5 I got when I told him it was me taking him.
Anyway will leave thread alone now |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Not sure what that thread was either - but the system needs to change quickly to promote English born players into premiership teams - sadly in my opinion within the next 3/4 years it will be based upon Championship teams - by then we will be dreaming that we are ranked 17th in the world as we currently are now "
I don't think there was a thread. I looked and couldn't find one. That's unusual for here. It's football. It's England. It's about foreigners being allowed to play. |
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Is this the end of the football debates on the forum?
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Nope!
But they need a "political Bull shit" forum.
It's like question time in here at mo.
Bull shit.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not sure what that thread was either - but the system needs to change quickly to promote English born players into premiership teams - sadly in my opinion within the next 3/4 years it will be based upon Championship teams - by then we will be dreaming that we are ranked 17th in the world as we currently are now
I don't think there was a thread. I looked and couldn't find one. That's unusual for here. It's football. It's England. It's about foreigners being allowed to play."
Janzanj for example. Class footballer. Although he has to keep his head. He'd be better off playing for Belgium than England.
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"Not sure what that thread was either - but the system needs to change quickly to promote English born players into premiership teams - sadly in my opinion within the next 3/4 years it will be based upon Championship teams - by then we will be dreaming that we are ranked 17th in the world as we currently are now
I don't think there was a thread. I looked and couldn't find one. That's unusual for here. It's football. It's England. It's about foreigners being allowed to play.
Janzanj for example. Class footballer. Although he has to keep his head. He'd be better off playing for Belgium than England.
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Belgium = spurs he would be be 4th Belgium player then |
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England players should be English (by some reasonable definition/heritage).
It's a national pride thing for me. I am proud of our boys one way or another even when they lose.... because they are OUR boys.
Non-nationals (for me) would just make it another team... and one which I didn't feel an alliance to.
I'd sooner have English players trying hard and failing rather than importing talent just to win.... it wouldn't feel like England winning. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not sure what that thread was either - but the system needs to change quickly to promote English born players into premiership teams - sadly in my opinion within the next 3/4 years it will be based upon Championship teams - by then we will be dreaming that we are ranked 17th in the world as we currently are now
I don't think there was a thread. I looked and couldn't find one. That's unusual for here. It's football. It's England. It's about foreigners being allowed to play.
Janzanj for example. Class footballer. Although he has to keep his head. He'd be better off playing for Belgium than England.
Belgium = spurs he would be be 4th Belgium player then "
He's got something silly like 5 countries countries after him as he eligible to play for them all. Not all that, but the place where he was actually born wants him to play for them when they are registered as a country as they aren't a country yet. |
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Does it work both ways though?
If yer five years resident and can play for your country of residence, then should such as Messi play for Spain?
That would fuck the Brazilian side up somewhat.
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"England players should be English (by some reasonable definition/heritage).
It's a national pride thing for me. I am proud of our boys one way or another even when they lose.... because they are OUR boys.
Non-nationals (for me) would just make it another team... and one which I didn't feel an alliance to.
I'd sooner have English players trying hard and failing rather than importing talent just to win.... it wouldn't feel like England winning."
That's the sort of thread/post I was looking for. Thank you Polo.
I agree with you. The teams are already multinational enough. A country team should represent the nationality not just residency.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Does it work both ways though?
If yer five years resident and can play for your country of residence, then should such as Messi play for Spain?
That would fuck the Brazilian side up somewhat.
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Who knows if that happens michu can try to convince him to come to Swansea then as they play the same type of football. Only obviously Barcelona are world class. They still get compared to each other. But who can convince a player to take a 95% pay cut. Messi in the Spanish side would make them unbeatable. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"England players should be English (by some reasonable definition/heritage).
It's a national pride thing for me. I am proud of our boys one way or another even when they lose.... because they are OUR boys.
Non-nationals (for me) would just make it another team... and one which I didn't feel an alliance to.
I'd sooner have English players trying hard and failing rather than importing talent just to win.... it wouldn't feel like England winning."
At the risk of pointing out the obvious, if the 4 UK national teams can't do particularly well WITH overseas born player who pass the 5 year rule, what chance would we have without them?
I suspect most folk would prefer to have UK born and bred participants in UK colours at the Olympics etc but when the likes of Mo Farah etc are prepared to run for the UK and credit their medal(s) to the UK tally, it's hard to turn away from them.
I dunno what would have happened to the UK collection of London 2012 medals if 'born and bred only' were permitted but I doubt it would have gone up. |
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Does it work both ways though?
If yer five years resident and can play for your country of residence, then should such as Messi play for Spain?
That would fuck the Brazilian side up somewhat.
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I can't think how seeing as he is Argentinean.  |
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"England players should be English (by some reasonable definition/heritage).
It's a national pride thing for me. I am proud of our boys one way or another even when they lose.... because they are OUR boys.
Non-nationals (for me) would just make it another team... and one which I didn't feel an alliance to.
I'd sooner have English players trying hard and failing rather than importing talent just to win.... it wouldn't feel like England winning.
At the risk of pointing out the obvious, if the 4 UK national teams can't do particularly well WITH overseas born player who pass the 5 year rule, what chance would we have without them?
I suspect most folk would prefer to have UK born and bred participants in UK colours at the Olympics etc but when the likes of Mo Farah etc are prepared to run for the UK and credit their medal(s) to the UK tally, it's hard to turn away from them.
I dunno what would have happened to the UK collection of London 2012 medals if 'born and bred only' were permitted but I doubt it would have gone up."
I chose the term 'non-nationals' carefully. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"England players should be English (by some reasonable definition/heritage).
It's a national pride thing for me. I am proud of our boys one way or another even when they lose.... because they are OUR boys.
Non-nationals (for me) would just make it another team... and one which I didn't feel an alliance to.
I'd sooner have English players trying hard and failing rather than importing talent just to win.... it wouldn't feel like England winning.
At the risk of pointing out the obvious, if the 4 UK national teams can't do particularly well WITH overseas born player who pass the 5 year rule, what chance would we have without them?
I suspect most folk would prefer to have UK born and bred participants in UK colours at the Olympics etc but when the likes of Mo Farah etc are prepared to run for the UK and credit their medal(s) to the UK tally, it's hard to turn away from them.
I dunno what would have happened to the UK collection of London 2012 medals if 'born and bred only' were permitted but I doubt it would have gone up."
For both the Olympics and the national teams the issue I see is citizenship and not just residency. I think Mo Farah is a naturalised citizen.
I find the whole 'my great grandmother was...' argument is too far removed when it appears to allow non residents to qualify. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"I'm sure if Pele, Puskas, Eusebio and their ilk wanted to play for England, they'd be British citizens before they got out of Heathrow.
(I know, giving my age away)"
I was trying to remember the Zola Budd situation. Showing my age now.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Does it work both ways though?
If yer five years resident and can play for your country of residence, then should such as Messi play for Spain?
That would fuck the Brazilian side up somewhat.
I can't think how seeing as he is Argentinean. "
lol think again.
If you play for the country you reside in, he would play for Spain.
Sorted? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"England players should be English (by some reasonable definition/heritage).
It's a national pride thing for me. I am proud of our boys one way or another even when they lose.... because they are OUR boys.
Non-nationals (for me) would just make it another team... and one which I didn't feel an alliance to.
I'd sooner have English players trying hard and failing rather than importing talent just to win.... it wouldn't feel like England winning.
At the risk of pointing out the obvious, if the 4 UK national teams can't do particularly well WITH overseas born player who pass the 5 year rule, what chance would we have without them?
I suspect most folk would prefer to have UK born and bred participants in UK colours at the Olympics etc but when the likes of Mo Farah etc are prepared to run for the UK and credit their medal(s) to the UK tally, it's hard to turn away from them.
I dunno what would have happened to the UK collection of London 2012 medals if 'born and bred only' were permitted but I doubt it would have gone up."
Alternatively, it could well go down if you applied the medals to the country of residence of the medallist. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Slightly off topic, but notice how many Brazilians/Argies first play for a Spanish/Portuguese team on arrival in Europe?
Not only for language reasons, but it speeds up/bypasses subsequent regulations of the freedom of work within Europe. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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LOL, typical sexism at work.
What about the fabulous, and winning, England Women's football team. A big shout for them too. "
A very big shout for them. They seem to grow players too. Not that I know a lot about football. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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LOL, typical sexism at work.
What about the fabulous, and winning, England Women's football team. A big shout for them too.
A very big shout for them. They seem to grow players too. Not that I know a lot about football."
On that note. Its the first time I have noticed the men and women doing well for the same team at the same time. Both competing for top spot. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"England players should be English (by some reasonable definition/heritage).
It's a national pride thing for me. I am proud of our boys one way or another even when they lose.... because they are OUR boys.
Non-nationals (for me) would just make it another team... and one which I didn't feel an alliance to.
I'd sooner have English players trying hard and failing rather than importing talent just to win.... it wouldn't feel like England winning."
This ain't a new thing. Look at;
John Barnes
Graham Le Saux
Matt Le Tissier
Cyril Regis
Owen Hargreaves
Luther Blisset
Even the most English of all players, Terry Butcher, was from Singapore! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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LOL, typical sexism at work.
What about the fabulous, and winning, England Women's football team. A big shout for them too.
A very big shout for them. They seem to grow players too. Not that I know a lot about football."
Wish they'd take their tops off when they score. 
You couldn't have a word in the correct earholes could you? Ta. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"England players should be English (by some reasonable definition/heritage).
It's a national pride thing for me. I am proud of our boys one way or another even when they lose.... because they are OUR boys.
Non-nationals (for me) would just make it another team... and one which I didn't feel an alliance to.
I'd sooner have English players trying hard and failing rather than importing talent just to win.... it wouldn't feel like England winning.
This ain't a new thing. Look at;
John Barnes
Graham Le Saux
Matt Le Tissier
Cyril Regis
Owen Hargreaves
Luther Blisset
Even the most English of all players, Terry Butcher, was from Singapore!"
Own goal there somewhat?
Not enetirely sure, but i'd wager than one of two of them had one or more English parents.
And would England have been better off had they not had Barnes/Hargreaves? Overrated players at best.
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"England players should be English (by some reasonable definition/heritage).
It's a national pride thing for me. I am proud of our boys one way or another even when they lose.... because they are OUR boys.
Non-nationals (for me) would just make it another team... and one which I didn't feel an alliance to.
I'd sooner have English players trying hard and failing rather than importing talent just to win.... it wouldn't feel like England winning.
At the risk of pointing out the obvious, if the 4 UK national teams can't do particularly well WITH overseas born player who pass the 5 year rule, what chance would we have without them?
I suspect most folk would prefer to have UK born and bred participants in UK colours at the Olympics etc but when the likes of Mo Farah etc are prepared to run for the UK and credit their medal(s) to the UK tally, it's hard to turn away from them.
I dunno what would have happened to the UK collection of London 2012 medals if 'born and bred only' were permitted but I doubt it would have gone up.
Alternatively, it could well go down if you applied the medals to the country of residence of the medallist. "
Or where they pay tax (if anywhere). |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
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LOL, typical sexism at work.
What about the fabulous, and winning, England Women's football team. A big shout for them too.
A very big shout for them. They seem to grow players too. Not that I know a lot about football."
They don't seem to be able to grow crowds though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"England players should be English (by some reasonable definition/heritage).
It's a national pride thing for me. I am proud of our boys one way or another even when they lose.... because they are OUR boys.
Non-nationals (for me) would just make it another team... and one which I didn't feel an alliance to.
I'd sooner have English players trying hard and failing rather than importing talent just to win.... it wouldn't feel like England winning.
This ain't a new thing. Look at;
John Barnes
Graham Le Saux
Matt Le Tissier
Cyril Regis
Owen Hargreaves
Luther Blisset
Even the most English of all players, Terry Butcher, was from Singapore!
Own goal there somewhat?
Not enetirely sure, but i'd wager than one of two of them had one or more English parents.
And would England have been better off had they not had Barnes/Hargreaves? Overrated players at best.
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But none born in England.
Barnes was shit in an England shirt. Scores s good goal against Brazil in a friendly and lived of it for years. |
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"England players should be English (by some reasonable definition/heritage).
It's a national pride thing for me. I am proud of our boys one way or another even when they lose.... because they are OUR boys.
Non-nationals (for me) would just make it another team... and one which I didn't feel an alliance to.
I'd sooner have English players trying hard and failing rather than importing talent just to win.... it wouldn't feel like England winning.
At the risk of pointing out the obvious, if the 4 UK national teams can't do particularly well WITH overseas born player who pass the 5 year rule, what chance would we have without them?
I suspect most folk would prefer to have UK born and bred participants in UK colours at the Olympics etc but when the likes of Mo Farah etc are prepared to run for the UK and credit their medal(s) to the UK tally, it's hard to turn away from them.
I dunno what would have happened to the UK collection of London 2012 medals if 'born and bred only' were permitted but I doubt it would have gone up.
Alternatively, it could well go down if you applied the medals to the country of residence of the medallist.
Or where they pay tax (if anywhere)."
As an interesting aside, there's a growing number of US nationals living abroad who are choosing (rather eluctantly) to give up their passports and nationality due to draconian admin requirements. A sign of worse things to come.
AFAIK some countries wont give it back once renounced.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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see... mo farrah is a red herring in this discussion because he actually came over here with his parents from somalia at the age of 7.....
so unless you are saying that someone has to be born here to represent the uk, that would be me out.....
by the way... was absolutely proud to represent GB universities at american football
so why is this a "football" issue.... have a look at a lot of the home nations in rugby... and in cricket! lots of aussies, kiwi's and saffers everywhere!!!
what italy did back in the day was say you could only have 3 "foreigners" in your team....
what germany do is say you must at 3 "under 21's" in your squad.....
I am sure the premier league still had the rule that you could only have 3 "non-EU" players in a matchday squad....
what I would like to see is some-sort of "6-5" rule... where the majority of a starting 11 have to be english... but I am not sure you could do it under european "restraint of trade" laws...
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"England players should be English (by some reasonable definition/heritage).
It's a national pride thing for me. I am proud of our boys one way or another even when they lose.... because they are OUR boys.
Non-nationals (for me) would just make it another team... and one which I didn't feel an alliance to.
I'd sooner have English players trying hard and failing rather than importing talent just to win.... it wouldn't feel like England winning.
This ain't a new thing. Look at;
John Barnes
Graham Le Saux
Matt Le Tissier
Cyril Regis
Owen Hargreaves
Luther Blisset
Even the most English of all players, Terry Butcher, was from Singapore!
Own goal there somewhat?
Not enetirely sure, but i'd wager than one of two of them had one or more English parents.
And would England have been better off had they not had Barnes/Hargreaves? Overrated players at best.
But none born in England.
Barnes was shit in an England shirt. Scores s good goal against Brazil in a friendly and lived of it for years."
Good goal? Nah, not one Brazilian went in for the tackle, they all backed off.
None were born in England but some are undoubtedly English. The current issue is purely on residence, no other qualifying criteria. They dont even claim to have a great great grandma that once got shagged in York. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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As an interesting aside, there's a growing number of US nationals living abroad who are choosing (rather eluctantly) to give up their passports and nationality due to draconian admin requirements. A sign of worse things to come.
AFAIK some countries wont give it back once renounced.
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I have come across the same issue... the problem is it use to be quite simple to declare how much you earnt (you have to declare to the IRS, and if you earn I think over 100,000 dollars and anything going into non-us banks you have to pay a little US tax on it... no biggie)
the new forms are so much harder that now you have to basically involve a specialist accountant... and to the point where some banks are now refusing to take on new US clients... and the penalties for getting it wrong are really really steep...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"see... mo farrah is a red herring in this discussion because he actually came over here with his parents from somalia at the age of 7.....
so unless you are saying that someone has to be born here to represent the uk, that would be me out.....
by the way... was absolutely proud to represent GB universities at american football
so why is this a "football" issue.... have a look at a lot of the home nations in rugby... and in cricket! lots of aussies, kiwi's and saffers everywhere!!!
what italy did back in the day was say you could only have 3 "foreigners" in your team....
what germany do is say you must at 3 "under 21's" in your squad.....
I am sure the premier league still had the rule that you could only have 3 "non-EU" players in a matchday squad....
what I would like to see is some-sort of "6-5" rule... where the majority of a starting 11 have to be english... but I am not sure you could do it under european "restraint of trade" laws...
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They tried something like that a few years back and well and truly fucked up a great Man Utd team. The rule, in European competitions, was you could only have 4 non-nationals in the team at any one time.
And Brits like Mark Hughes ( all the welsh, scottish and irish players too)were classed as a non nationals. |
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"I'm sure if Pele, Puskas, Eusebio and their ilk wanted to play for England, they'd be British citizens before they got out of Heathrow.
(I know, giving my age away)"
In 66 they weren't needed  |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"see... mo farrah is a red herring in this discussion because he actually came over here with his parents from somalia at the age of 7.....
so unless you are saying that someone has to be born here to represent the uk, that would be me out.....
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I appreciate it's a clumsy phrase but I did say 'born and bred'. |
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"I'm sure if Pele, Puskas, Eusebio and their ilk wanted to play for England, they'd be British citizens before they got out of Heathrow.
(I know, giving my age away)
In 66 they weren't needed "
Not for a lack of Eusebio trying though. Truly world class. Mind you, he was African even then.
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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Fabio mentions cricket.
Do any seriously first class cricketers move from playing in England to playing in India, Pakistan or Australia?
Can they/ do they go on to play for that country's international team? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Fabio mentions cricket.
Do any seriously first class cricketers move from playing in England to playing in India, Pakistan or Australia?
Can they/ do they go on to play for that country's international team?"
it has happened where they have gone from playing youth cricket in other countries... to playing international cricket for others.... use to happen a bit when South Africa was banned from world cricket... but doesn't happen that much anymore, and tends to be done more of residency these days.... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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the problem is that you can't really have it both ways.... the world has moved on from "everyone being born 30 miles of glasgow" as was with the celtic team that won the european cup....
we can do it based of family (you can only go back as far as grandarents) and/or on some form of residency..... |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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I'm not a football fan or any sort of authority on the game but, if we can't find a way of bringing on young homebred talent, we'll never have a good international team unless, as you say, we go down the road of a residency qualification.
Back in Jock Stein's day, football was a way of getting out of the poverty of pit villages - now it's an aspirational route to a Porsche, a trophy wife and a house near Michele Moan (sic).
........... or a money spinning transfer to a middle ranking English club. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"England players should be English (by some reasonable definition/heritage).
It's a national pride thing for me. I am proud of our boys one way or another even when they lose.... because they are OUR boys.
Non-nationals (for me) would just make it another team... and one which I didn't feel an alliance to.
I'd sooner have English players trying hard and failing rather than importing talent just to win.... it wouldn't feel like England winning.
This ain't a new thing. Look at;
John Barnes
Graham Le Saux
Matt Le Tissier
Cyril Regis
Owen Hargreaves
Luther Blisset
Even the most English of all players, Terry Butcher, was from Singapore!"
I only heard the Cyril Regis story recently. I'd like to meet him and find out what it was like for him to be a trailblazer.
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"England just need to learn how to take penalties properly.
We ALWAYS seem to go out of major tournaments on bloomin penalty shoot-outs.  "
Yep, oh, & there's the small matter of needing better players, also!!! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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it is an interesting question... I'll throw a few names at you
Kevin Pietersen
Andrew Strauss
Mo Farrah
Justin Rose
Manu Tuilagi
Jonathan Trott
Chris Froome
all representing england/gb is various sports.... none born here....
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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I suppose it comes back to the same question.
Do you want to win with a pretendy England/ Scotland team or field a proper England/ Scotland born and bred team, do your best and get as far as you can?
We Scots can't see past Andy Murray. Does he live in Scotland?
David Coulthard? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"it is an interesting question... I'll throw a few names at you
Kevin Pietersen
Andrew Strauss
Mo Farrah
Justin Rose
Manu Tuilagi
Jonathan Trott
Chris Froome
all representing england/gb is various sports.... none born here....
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To the Cricket list you can add;
Matt Prior
Eoin Morgan
Boyd Rankin
......I'm sure there's many more!!
What chance have Ireland at progressing to test status when England & Wales (you'd never know, listening to the media etc...) keep nicking their best players!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The premier league is destroying the prospects of the England national team. Look at Germany, probably the best 2 sides in Europe, football grounds full to capacity and yet a season ticket for Bayern or Dortmond is a fraction of the price of 1 in Premiership. The priority is still the national team. 2 club sides in Champions League final in May and national team in top 3!
Compare to England! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The premier league is destroying the prospects of the England national team. Look at Germany, probably the best 2 sides in Europe, football grounds full to capacity and yet a season ticket for Bayern or Dortmond is a fraction of the price of 1 in Premiership. The priority is still the national team. 2 club sides in Champions League final in May and national team in top 3!
Compare to England!"
couldn't agree more but and its a big but....the premier league is the best to watch with more truly competitive teams than any of the rest. |
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Does it work both ways though?
If yer five years resident and can play for your country of residence, then should such as Messi play for Spain?
That would fuck the Brazilian side up somewhat.
I can't think how seeing as he is Argentinean.
lol think again.
If you play for the country you reside in, he would play for Spain.
Sorted?"
So what has that got to do with "fuck the Brazilian side up somewhat"? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"The premier league is destroying the prospects of the England national team. Look at Germany, probably the best 2 sides in Europe, football grounds full to capacity and yet a season ticket for Bayern or Dortmond is a fraction of the price of 1 in Premiership. The priority is still the national team. 2 club sides in Champions League final in May and national team in top 3!
Compare to England!"
in germany most of the clubs are "community owned" so they in effect have a real say in prices and how clubs are run, and is actually enschrined in law... (there are one or two exceptions to this... wolfsburg are owned by Volkswagen, Leverkusen are owned by Chemical giants Bayer, those two started as works teams)
I would love that model in england.. but with the amount of money made thru TV deals... it is unlikely as rich people seen them as investment models.....
it can work... barcelona and real madrid are community owned as well...
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"I'm sure if Pele, Puskas, Eusebio and their ilk wanted to play for England, they'd be British citizens before they got out of Heathrow.
(I know, giving my age away)
I was trying to remember the Zola Budd situation. Showing my age now.
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she ran for GB because of the olympic ban on south africa not because she thought of herself as british |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"I'm sure if Pele, Puskas, Eusebio and their ilk wanted to play for England, they'd be British citizens before they got out of Heathrow.
(I know, giving my age away)
I was trying to remember the Zola Budd situation. Showing my age now.
she ran for GB because of the olympic ban on south africa not because she thought of herself as british"
Isn't that the point? Should you think of yourself as British in order to compete under the flag?
As someone on here said, the answer is passports.
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