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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

and Kevin Carroll have left the EDL ..what does this mean for the far right in the UK?

Any EDL people here or alternatively UAF supporters that have an opinion?

Not wanting to start a war ..just genuinely interested

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't agree with the views of the EDL.

One observation however - it would seem that if they have a genuine point to get across they never do as many of their followers are thugs who just go on the protests to get d*unk, cause damage and have a row. They don't help themselves.

I am curious how many 'half intelligent' people are involved and whether the group will now just completely break down or whether they are able to draft somebody in.

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By *hocksandmissusCouple over a year ago

Chester-ish

problem is with these kind of groups is they really don't think before they act but if they do then they are just going for the shock value of the statement now what the worrying thing about that is although 2 of there top ones have left there are many more to take there places and growing stronger by the day.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It takes more than a small minded hooligan to run something like that though. I suspect a number of there members havent got the time, resources or brain power to do so.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Interestingly both Robinson and Carrol have now begun to work with Quilliam - a think tank run by this guy: Maajid Nawaz

...a Muslim - they explain their actions by saying they are not against Muslims but against Islamic extremists.

Quilliam is also against all forms of extremism - from Islamic right through to Neo Nazi.

If this is true then perhaps both me deserve a modicum of credit for finally doing some growing up.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Interestingly both Robinson and Carrol have now begun to work with Quilliam - a think tank run by this guy: Maajid Nawaz

...a Muslim - they explain their actions by saying they are not against Muslims but against Islamic extremists.

Quilliam is also against all forms of extremism - from Islamic right through to Neo Nazi.

If this is true then perhaps both me deserve a modicum of credit for finally doing some growing up. "

I hope that is the case.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Personally, I never knew the EDL existed until I met a gang of their supporters last year. And I've never looked up what they're about since that day either.

Bunch of d*unken/braindamaged skinheads looking to incite a riot in a pub because they got removed from a peaceful muslim protest. I can't understand how they're allowed to "campaign" at all, let alone exist for what they are.

Are they not just white terrorists after all?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Interestingly both Robinson and Carrol have now begun to work with Quilliam - a think tank run by this guy: Maajid Nawaz

...a Muslim - they explain their actions by saying they are not against Muslims but against Islamic extremists.

Quilliam is also against all forms of extremism - from Islamic right through to Neo Nazi.

If this is true then perhaps both me deserve a modicum of credit for finally doing some growing up. "

Time will tell I guess I hope they do something positive than negative as there are too many drum bangers out there as it is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Interestingly both Robinson and Carrol have now begun to work with Quilliam - a think tank run by this guy: Maajid Nawaz

...a Muslim - they explain their actions by saying they are not against Muslims but against Islamic extremists.

Quilliam is also against all forms of extremism - from Islamic right through to Neo Nazi.

If this is true then perhaps both me deserve a modicum of credit for finally doing some growing up.

Time will tell I guess I hope they do something positive than negative as there are too many drum bangers out there as it is. "

Unless they're just out to be taken a bit seriously so they can win more hearts and then just keep hating.

The BNP tried that already.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The problem with any group on the fringes of politics is that there will always be an extreme element attracted to it be it left or right wing. The problem that the EDL has is they attracted those who weren't articulate enough to form a decent political argument and causing problems was the way they got heard.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"The problem with any group on the fringes of politics is that there will always be an extreme element attracted to it be it left or right wing. The problem that the EDL has is they attracted those who weren't articulate enough to form a decent political argument and causing problems was the way they got heard.

Hello, Sydney

It was also the breakaway group from the BNP. There are more breakaways trying to get press attention. The key players seem to remain more or less the same but form new groups whenever they fall out with each other.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The uaf are just as bad as the edl. You only have to watch the news to see that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The uaf are just as bad as the edl. You only have to watch the news to see that."

They're just another TLA (three letter abbreviation)

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Thankfully the great mass of British people are rather intolerant of intolerance (ironically) and extremism of all kinds.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And another BOG

(bunch of gobshites)

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Thankfully the great mass of British people are rather intolerant of intolerance (ironically) and extremism of all kinds. "

Unless it's the sort of intolerance we approve of.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The uaf are just as bad as the edl. You only have to watch the news to see that."

100% correct, I read in the daily mail it would all be ok if only Diana was here and it is all the fault of immigrants.

We should all form opinions of our own not what read or see in an agenda driven media....

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Thankfully the great mass of British people are rather intolerant of intolerance (ironically) and extremism of all kinds.

Unless it's the sort of intolerance we approve of."

Thus far we have had no UKIP, BNP, NF, EDL Prime Minister.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thankfully the great mass of British people are rather intolerant of intolerance (ironically) and extremism of all kinds.

Unless it's the sort of intolerance we approve of.

Thus far we have had no UKIP, BNP, NF, EDL Prime Minister."

And hopefully never will. But then Germany had Nazis and now a lot of the world does :/

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The uaf are just as bad as the edl. You only have to watch the news to see that.

100% correct, I read in the daily mail it would all be ok if only Diana was here and it is all the fault of immigrants.

We should all form opinions of our own not what read or see in an agenda driven media...."

So where do you get information to draw an opinion ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thankfully the great mass of British people are rather intolerant of intolerance (ironically) and extremism of all kinds.

Unless it's the sort of intolerance we approve of."

I have to say that when you don't let your intolerance of the Tories enter your posts I find them amusing and or interesting

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You can still have an educated opinion of your own. That's the basis of freedom of thought and speech, of course.

We all know that even your Labour or Con government can be harmful to the way we see things, but that's the basis of identifying extremism. Anything that's worse than the shite we have in government now is never going to be fit for government and we know that all too well when those people organise themselves.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Thankfully the great mass of British people are rather intolerant of intolerance (ironically) and extremism of all kinds.

Unless it's the sort of intolerance we approve of.

Thus far we have had no UKIP, BNP, NF, EDL Prime Minister.

And hopefully never will. But then Germany had Nazis and now a lot of the world does :/"

And many European countries had revolutions - we never have. We adapt - it is one of our strengths. That's not to say we are perfect but it does say something about our natural character.

We also seem to have a great sense of 'fair play' - I like to think that that is still intact and will remain so.

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By *rivate auditionsMan over a year ago

West Midlands

"Personally, I never knew the EDL existed until I met a gang of their supporters last year. And I've never looked up what they're about since that day either.

Are they not just white terrorists after all?"

I was shopping in birmingham city centre a few years ago and saw one of these "peacefull muslim protests",the muslims were masked and carrying wood staves,knives,iron bars,and bricks,and ran amoke in the city centre scattering & scaring inncocent shoppers and young children and teenagers!.

the pics were on the front of the west midlasnds sunday mercury the very next day so dont try to deny that these muslims thugs are innocent & peacefull,the EDL wree the other side of town being kept inside a building by our wonderfull police force as the muslims ran amoke scaring saturday shoppers!.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Personally, I never knew the EDL existed until I met a gang of their supporters last year. And I've never looked up what they're about since that day either.

Are they not just white terrorists after all?

That was one incident - you cannot extrapolate from that and assume ALL Muslim demos are like that.

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By *rivate auditionsMan over a year ago

West Midlands

"Personally, I never knew the EDL existed until I met a gang of their supporters last year. And I've never looked up what they're about since that day either.

Are they not just white terrorists after all?

That was one incident - you cannot extrapolate from that and assume ALL Muslim demos are like that."

one amongst many i found my dear,just keep yout eyes and your ears open!.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Everyone should be against Islamic extremists,not just the EDL. Sadly for them most of their followers are former football hooligans,who are just up for a day on the drink and the odd altercation.

Looks like Robinson and his sidekick have finally realized this and left a sinking ship. The UAF followers are not much better and both groups would be better off disbanding,in my opinion.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Personally, I never knew the EDL existed until I met a gang of their supporters last year. And I've never looked up what they're about since that day either.

Are they not just white terrorists after all?

That was one incident - you cannot extrapolate from that and assume ALL Muslim demos are like that.

one amongst many i found my dear,just keep yout eyes and your ears open!.

I have - thank you dear.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Personally, I never knew the EDL existed until I met a gang of their supporters last year. And I've never looked up what they're about since that day either.

Are they not just white terrorists after all?

That was one incident - you cannot extrapolate from that and assume ALL Muslim demos are like that.

one amongst many i found my dear,just keep yout eyes and your ears open!.

Can you send me a link to the reports of this? I don't recall hearing about it at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everyone should be against Islamic extremists,not just the EDL. Sadly for them most of their followers are former football hooligans,who are just up for a day on the drink and the odd altercation.

Looks like Robinson and his sidekick have finally realized this and left a sinking ship. The UAF followers are not much better and both groups would be better off disbanding,in my opinion."

This is what I was sort of getting at earlier, but perhaps not put as well.

I guess it is pointless Robinson claiming his issue is extremism when a lot of his followers were just racist full stop

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The uaf are just as bad as the edl. You only have to watch the news to see that.

100% correct, I read in the daily mail it would all be ok if only Diana was here and it is all the fault of immigrants.

We should all form opinions of our own not what read or see in an agenda driven media....

So where do you get information to draw an opinion ? "

I get my information from websites that are not run for profit....Murdoch and his ilk will tell you what he thinks will rake in the most money for his corporation.....

I am a left wing anti fascist and make no apologies for this.....

If any of you choose to believe what you read in mail/ sun/ express then fair fucks to you....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Personally, I never knew the EDL existed until I met a gang of their supporters last year. And I've never looked up what they're about since that day either.

Are they not just white terrorists after all?

And this wasnt picked up by the national press?

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Thankfully the great mass of British people are rather intolerant of intolerance (ironically) and extremism of all kinds.

Unless it's the sort of intolerance we approve of.

Thus far we have had no UKIP, BNP, NF, EDL Prime Minister.

And hopefully never will. But then Germany had Nazis and now a lot of the world does :/

And many European countries had revolutions - we never have. We adapt - it is one of our strengths. That's not to say we are perfect but it does say something about our natural character.

............."

No revolutions?

That'll come as a surprise to Charles I and James VII (and II).

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

"and Kevin Carroll have left the EDL ..what does this mean for the far right in the UK?

Any EDL people here or alternatively UAF supporters that have an opinion?

Not wanting to start a war ..just genuinely interested

People on here should realise Tommy was and is not racist and that why he has left because he can't agree with the majority of actions of EDL members.

Will people realise he was only trying to protect are country from mad men with bombs.

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By *almh5Couple over a year ago

Manchester

Tommy Robinson was and is a vile little man who will vanish into obscurity, but I doubt he will. I think he will try to get into politics Why anyone would admire a man with several convictions for violent acts, drug possession, breaching bail conditions, threatening behaviour, illegally entering a country and awaiting trial for fraud is beyond me.

But as a leftie Anti-Facist I suppose I am biased. I would also like to point out that just because you oppose the EDL doesnt make you a UAF supporter, the UAF are in the minority.

And its probably by the bye but I wonder what happened to all those donations given to him a few weeks ago.....

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"The uaf are just as bad as the edl. You only have to watch the news to see that.

100% correct, I read in the daily mail it would all be ok if only Diana was here and it is all the fault of immigrants.

We should all form opinions of our own not what read or see in an agenda driven media....

So where do you get information to draw an opinion ?

I get my information from websites that are not run for profit....Murdoch and his ilk will tell you what he thinks will rake in the most money for his corporation.....

I am a left wing anti fascist and make no apologies for this.....

If any of you choose to believe what you read in mail/ sun/ express then fair fucks to you....

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If you are antifacsist then what do you think of the Muslim SS unit and the Grand Mufti taking the Nazi salute in Nazi Germany?

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By *almh5Couple over a year ago

Manchester

And what do you think of all the Muslims who fought on the side of the Allies in WW2?

What do you think of people who stand on war memorials and make Nazi salutes?

We could go on and on and on, and which bit of it is productive?

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"And what do you think of all the Muslims who fought on the side of the Allies in WW2?

What do you think of people who stand on war memorials and make Nazi salutes?

We could go on and on and on, and which bit of it is productive?"
No need to go on and on. I asked you a question and you didn't answer it did you?

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By *almh5Couple over a year ago

Manchester

I think there was a war and a bloke who didnt like the Allies or the Jewish. What would you have me say, that I admire them greatly so it makes me some Nazi-Leftie, Anti-Semitic? Ah well, not going to happen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The far right?

Have those two you mentionned fallen off the edge or something?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Serious question.

Has anyone ever seen an EDL candidate on their ballot paper? I never have so what's the fuss about?

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"I think there was a war and a bloke who didnt like the Allies or the Jewish. What would you have me say, that I admire them greatly so it makes me some Nazi-Leftie, Anti-Semitic? Ah well, not going to happen."
What would I have you say? Just your opinion. That's what I asked. If you don't/won't answer then fine.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The uaf are just as bad as the edl. You only have to watch the news to see that.

100% correct, I read in the daily mail it would all be ok if only Diana was here and it is all the fault of immigrants.

We should all form opinions of our own not what read or see in an agenda driven media....

So where do you get information to draw an opinion ?

I get my information from websites that are not run for profit....Murdoch and his ilk will tell you what he thinks will rake in the most money for his corporation.....

I am a left wing anti fascist and make no apologies for this.....

If any of you choose to believe what you read in mail/ sun/ express then fair fucks to you....

Surely you need to read listen watch a cross section of media to get a balanced view

Because a Webb site is free it gives a true view , why would that be the case

I think what you mean is it gives a view you agree with

No different to people agreeing with the views of the press outlets you mentioned

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

Serious question.

Has anyone ever seen an EDL candidate on their ballot paper? I never have so what's the fuss about?

I've not seen a UKIP candidate either, doesn't mean it won't happen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The uaf are just as bad as the edl. You only have to watch the news to see that."

What makes you say that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Serious question.

Has anyone ever seen an EDL candidate on their ballot paper? I never have so what's the fuss about?

I've not seen a UKIP candidate either, doesn't mean it won't happen."

Did you not have a UKIP candiddate in the last European elections? We did, some got elected too. Maybe even they give Scotland a swerve?

You do vote don't you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Personally, I never knew the EDL existed until I met a gang of their supporters last year. And I've never looked up what they're about since that day either.

Are they not just white terrorists after all?

That was one incident - you cannot extrapolate from that and assume ALL Muslim demos are like that.

one amongst many i found my dear,just keep yout eyes and your ears open!.

Can you send me a link to the reports of this? I don't recall hearing about it at all."

Nor do I.

And let's not forget that no EDL demonstration EVER has not resulted in d*unken violence and arrests.

Mind you they are so thick and so up for the fight that if need be they start fighting each other...

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

Serious question.

Has anyone ever seen an EDL candidate on their ballot paper? I never have so what's the fuss about?

I've not seen a UKIP candidate either, doesn't mean it won't happen.

Did you not have a UKIP candiddate in the last European elections? We did, some got elected too. Maybe even they give Scotland a swerve?

You do vote don't you? "

I don't know that he got as far as the ballot paper.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and Kevin Carroll have left the EDL ..what does this mean for the far right in the UK?

Any EDL people here or alternatively UAF supporters that have an opinion?

Not wanting to start a war ..just genuinely interested

People on here should realise Tommy was and is not racist and that why he has left because he can't agree with the majority of actions of EDL members.

Will people realise he was only trying to protect are country from mad men with bombs."

Sadly the countless links that prove that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is a racist are sadly against forum rules.

But there are plenty of tweets where he has let his mask of only opposing extremists slip.

And he leads an orgnisation who's members have been pictured giving nazi salutes and who amongst them have many, many convictions for racist crimes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Serious question.

Has anyone ever seen an EDL candidate on their ballot paper? I never have so what's the fuss about?

Might have something to do with the fact that they are not a political party?

And rumour has it that this tactical retreat is linked to changing that. They know full well that the EDL are seen as a joke, a bunch of d*unken idiotic thugs (anyone remember Ismist Rayguns?) and would never be taken serious as a political party. Yaxley-Lennon is not as stupid as the monster he created. And importantly is a great orator and an expert at garnering support.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"and Kevin Carroll have left the EDL ..what does this mean for the far right in the UK?

Any EDL people here or alternatively UAF supporters that have an opinion?

Not wanting to start a war ..just genuinely interested

People on here should realise Tommy was and is not racist and that why he has left because he can't agree with the majority of actions of EDL members.

Will people realise he was only trying to protect are country from mad men with bombs.

Sadly the countless links that prove that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is a racist are sadly against forum rules.

But there are plenty of tweets where he has let his mask of only opposing extremists slip.

And he leads an orgnisation who's members have been pictured giving nazi salutes and who amongst them have many, many convictions for racist crimes"
you are quite correct but that doesn't excuse the UAF nutters attacking shoppers at least a mile away from the demo does it? Or does it? Now what about the Nazi SS units. No Nazi salutes there then I suppose.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Serious question.

Has anyone ever seen an EDL candidate on their ballot paper? I never have so what's the fuss about?

Might have something to do with the fact that they are not a political party?

Oh shit, we'll be in big trouble then.

Blair and Obama are/were said to be great Orators and look how it's all turning out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Serious question.

Has anyone ever seen an EDL candidate on their ballot paper? I never have so what's the fuss about?

I've never seen an Islamic Fundamentalist on the ballot paper either.

Someone should tell MI5 that they're wasting their time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Serious question.

Has anyone ever seen an EDL candidate on their ballot paper? I never have so what's the fuss about?

Might have something to do with the fact that they are not a political party?

Oh shit, we'll be in big trouble then.

Blair and Obama are/were said to be great Orators and look how it's all turning out.

I think what he achieved needs to be respected. His followers may be thugs, but he united them, motivated him and many of them got arrested, got hospitalised, got imprisoned. Convincing people to do that is not something everyone could do.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Serious question.

Has anyone ever seen an EDL candidate on their ballot paper? I never have so what's the fuss about?

I've never seen an Islamic Fundamentalist on the ballot paper either.

Someone should tell MI5 that they're wasting their time."
Islamic fundamentalists would never try be a political party in GB. For a start they wouldn't allow women to vote would they?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Was Hitler a fundamental terrorist when he was first elected? I guess not.

They've all gotta start somewhere.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Was Hitler a fundamental terrorist when he was first elected? I guess not.

They've all gotta start somewhere.

"
Those hate preachers in London seem to have gotten off to a good start making their views clear.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

If you are antifacsist then what do you think of the Muslim SS unit and the Grand Mufti taking the Nazi salute in Nazi Germany?"

seriously..?

there were as you probably know many different nationalities who served in the SS in WW2..

but that was nearly 70 years ago..

what is the point your trying to make ..?

not seen any members of any organisation apart from the EDL in recent times make the Nazi salute..

have you?

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I am often dismayed at the level of ignorance and intolerance whenever a thread like this appears.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Debating with fascists and libertarians is not really to my taste, but I'm decidedly glad that the EDL "project" is falling apart.

Extremism in the UK was ever thus.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

If you are antifacsist then what do you think of the Muslim SS unit and the Grand Mufti taking the Nazi salute in Nazi Germany?

seriously..?

there were as you probably know many different nationalities who served in the SS in WW2..

but that was nearly 70 years ago..

what is the point your trying to make ..?

not seen any members of any organisation apart from the EDL in recent times make the Nazi salute..

have you?

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To be honest I've seen a few(very few) EDL marchers making that horrible salute.Disgusting.Then again I'm not sure the EDL have exploded bombs in the UK.If they have please let me know.Also have the EDL attacked innocent shoppers like they did in Bham? Who was responsible for 7/7 in London?

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

To be honest I've seen a few(very few) EDL marchers making that horrible salute.Disgusting.Then again I'm not sure the EDL have exploded bombs in the UK.If they have please let me know.Also have the EDL attacked innocent shoppers like they did in Bham? Who was responsible for 7/7 in London? "

they may not have exploded bombs... but their supporters have been links to a couple of arson and attempted arson cases on mosques...... so is that any better....

as someone who has had to have been locked in an irish pub on the advice of the police when the EDL march when past I have seen those gestures and be party to that abuse.. and a lot of it aimed at me... wonder why that would have been???

the problem for the EDL is that they really wanted to be seen as the british version of the frence "front nationale".... the acceptable face of the far right to mainstream britain...

just as nick griffin tried to be that person and failed miserably

problem is the EDL don't have anyone that can do that and tommy robinson certainly was never that person.. he did as much to agitate after the death of Lee Rigby for example, as anyone...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Doing a google image search with the words EDL and Nazi Salute shows just how common that gesture is with EDL members.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Doing a google image search with the words EDL and Nazi Salute shows just how common that gesture is with EDL members."

Or indeed the media.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

If you are antifacsist then what do you think of the Muslim SS unit and the Grand Mufti taking the Nazi salute in Nazi Germany?

seriously..?

there were as you probably know many different nationalities who served in the SS in WW2..

but that was nearly 70 years ago..

what is the point your trying to make ..?

not seen any members of any organisation apart from the EDL in recent times make the Nazi salute..

have you?

the evidence is all over the web if you choose to look at it..

no they hav'nt, other extremists have which you know..

the Birmingham thing i'm not aware off, happy to be corrected but don't recall seeing it in the media..?

I personally know what happened on 7/7 thanks, any extremists or radicals hiding behind or distorting any belief system or 'political aims' who resort to such are equally vilified by the vast majority of all people in this country..

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

He's on Newsnight in a few minutes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Tommy's on Newsnight now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why did they choose now to jump ship I wonder? It's not as if they're blind & couldn't see from day one the skinhead bootboys who made up a huge percentage of their followers - directly in front of their microphones, is it?

Time will tell.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you are antifacsist then what do you think of the Muslim SS unit and the Grand Mufti taking the Nazi salute in Nazi Germany?

seriously..?

there were as you probably know many different nationalities who served in the SS in WW2..

but that was nearly 70 years ago..

what is the point your trying to make ..?

not seen any members of any organisation apart from the EDL in recent times make the Nazi salute..

have you?

What about David Copeland? His ideolgies are identical to many other far right extremists

Or let's talk about Pavlo Lapshyn, linked to and generally applauded by the far right.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It was going to happen at some point because the EDL were simply to starve the other political groups. The problem on the right, as its known by, is that it's divided.

End of story.

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

"Personally, I never knew the EDL existed until I met a gang of their supporters last year. And I've never looked up what they're about since that day either.

Are they not just white terrorists after all?

That was one incident - you cannot extrapolate from that and assume ALL Muslim demos are like that.

one amongst many i found my dear,just keep yout eyes and your ears open!.

Can you send me a link to the reports of this? I don't recall hearing about it at all.

Nor do I.

And let's not forget that no EDL demonstration EVER has not resulted in d*unken violence and arrests.

Mind you they are so thick and so up for the fight that if need be they start fighting each other..."

Another one that reads the news and thinks they know it all, most of arrests at demos come from the otherside mostly UAF its a fact, and don't ask me to quote it, if you think your s more right you back it up, as in fairness you made the comment.

Yes I agree there is some idiot racist scum in the group, but there us in every walk of society.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And,

In regards to the Hitler salutes. Those buffoons are that, buffoons. What about those people at Labour rallies, union marches or the UAF with communist flags or various other odd looking lefty types?

You have buffoons on both sides.

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

"and Kevin Carroll have left the EDL ..what does this mean for the far right in the UK?

Any EDL people here or alternatively UAF supporters that have an opinion?

Not wanting to start a war ..just genuinely interested

People on here should realise Tommy was and is not racist and that why he has left because he can't agree with the majority of actions of EDL members.

Will people realise he was only trying to protect are country from mad men with bombs.

Sadly the countless links that prove that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is a racist are sadly against forum rules.

But there are plenty of tweets where he has let his mask of only opposing extremists slip.

And he leads an orgnisation who's members have been pictured giving nazi salutes and who amongst them have many, many convictions for racist crimes"

See your listening to wana be gossip again, have you seen the amount of fake twitter and FB account in his name?

They all try and bring him down, of course his view are done times going to be misinterpreted, and yes like i said some problems most of the group are racist scum, but some if the group are genuine people trying to save there country.

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

If you are antifacsist then what do you think of the Muslim SS unit and the Grand Mufti taking the Nazi salute in Nazi Germany?

seriously..?

there were as you probably know many different nationalities who served in the SS in WW2..

but that was nearly 70 years ago..

what is the point your trying to make ..?

not seen any members of any organisation apart from the EDL in recent times make the Nazi salute..

have you?

No we have not have we, im very proud of our royal family, but there was not an incident with Harry recently was there??? Oh yes you forgot about that one hey.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and Kevin Carroll have left the EDL ..what does this mean for the far right in the UK?

Any EDL people here or alternatively UAF supporters that have an opinion?

Not wanting to start a war ..just genuinely interested

People on here should realise Tommy was and is not racist and that why he has left because he can't agree with the majority of actions of EDL members.

Will people realise he was only trying to protect are country from mad men with bombs.

Sadly the countless links that prove that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is a racist are sadly against forum rules.

But there are plenty of tweets where he has let his mask of only opposing extremists slip.

And he leads an orgnisation who's members have been pictured giving nazi salutes and who amongst them have many, many convictions for racist crimes

See your listening to wana be gossip again, have you seen the amount of fake twitter and FB account in his name?

What exactly ate they tring to save the country from? And other than d*unken fights how exactly are they doing it?

And please if you are going to say the stock EDL answer of "islamification" at least explain what that is and how we need to be saved from it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And,

In regards to the Hitler salutes. Those buffoons are that, buffoons. What about those people at Labour rallies, union marches or the UAF with communist flags or various other odd looking lefty types?

You have buffoons on both sides."

What on earth is an "odd looking lefty type"?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The uaf are just as bad as the edl. You only have to watch the news to see that.

100% correct, I read in the daily mail it would all be ok if only Diana was here and it is all the fault of immigrants.

We should all form opinions of our own not what read or see in an agenda driven media....

So where do you get information to draw an opinion ?

I get my information from websites that are not run for profit....Murdoch and his ilk will tell you what he thinks will rake in the most money for his corporation.....

I am a left wing anti fascist and make no apologies for this.....

If any of you choose to believe what you read in mail/ sun/ express then fair fucks to you....

If you are antifacsist then what do you think of the Muslim SS unit and the Grand Mufti taking the Nazi salute in Nazi Germany?"

I abhor all fascist extremists....the only way to destroy extremism is to embrace moderates....

Unfortunately the politics of fear that is used by our and US government only succeed in creating deeper divisions in which extremists flourish...

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

they may not have exploded bombs... but their supporters have been links to a couple of arson and attempted arson cases on mosques...... so is that any better....

the problem for the EDL is that they really wanted to be seen as the british version of the frence "front nationale".... the acceptable face of the far right to mainstream britain...

just as nick griffin tried to be that person and failed miserably

problem is the EDL don't have anyone that can do that and tommy robinson certainly was never that person.. he did as much to agitate after the death of Lee Rigby for example, as anyone..."

Fabio I have a lot of respect for you on here, one if the only posters I see that don't talk shite and stick to there true beleive, but i gad to point you out to your above comment, just because some idiot burnt down mosques then put EDL on the door dies not mean it was. My view was it was the opposition trying to lay blame.

But I would not put it past some of the racist scum in the EDL to have done it, but in that cases just dont think so.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"And,

In regards to the Hitler salutes. Those buffoons are that, buffoons. What about those people at Labour rallies, union marches or the UAF with communist flags or various other odd looking lefty types?

You have buffoons on both sides."

they are not 'buffoons' though are they..?

they are racist fuckwits imitating an iconic salute of a movement which massacred millions..

yes so did Stalin and Mao etc etc but 2 of the other groups you say you have seen with communist flags don't advocate violence do they..?

the UAF are pretty much a reaction to the far right..

last I recall as a member of a Trades Union we never discussed petrol bombing anyone as a way of settling a dispute..

Community cohesion yes, injustice yes but a million miles away from the aims of the EDL..

to try and pretend otherwise is either naïve or a smokescreen..

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

"and Kevin Carroll have left the EDL ..what does this mean for the far right in the UK?

Any EDL people here or alternatively UAF supporters that have an opinion?

Not wanting to start a war ..just genuinely interested

People on here should realise Tommy was and is not racist and that why he has left because he can't agree with the majority of actions of EDL members.

Will people realise he was only trying to protect are country from mad men with bombs.

Sadly the countless links that prove that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is a racist are sadly against forum rules.

But there are plenty of tweets where he has let his mask of only opposing extremists slip.

And he leads an orgnisation who's members have been pictured giving nazi salutes and who amongst them have many, many convictions for racist crimes

See your listening to wana be gossip again, have you seen the amount of fake twitter and FB account in his name?

What exactly ate they tring to save the country from? And other than d*unken fights how exactly are they doing it?

And please if you are going to say the stock EDL answer of "islamification" at least explain what that is and how we need to be saved from it"

If you don't know then maybe you never will, do you not think that maybe Tommy really was not racist and that's why he is leaving the EDL.

Because most of the group have turned scum racist.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do people believe that the EDL is Tommy's baby? He's purely a messenger boy, a lap dog in all this and his core role is to gain support with the knuckle draggers in britains towns and cities.

There's very rich people pulling the strings in the EDL IMHO

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"And,

In regards to the Hitler salutes. Those buffoons are that, buffoons. What about those people at Labour rallies, union marches or the UAF with communist flags or various other odd looking lefty types?

You have buffoons on both sides.

What on earth is an "odd looking lefty type"? "

I have been called a pinko lefty, wonder if that's what he means..