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National Grid have warned the risk of power shortages this winter is highest in seven years
Around half a million families reliant upon food banks
3.6 million children living in poverty
1.6 million living in severe poverty
Modern day England !!!
We are going backwards not forwards!
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is it that were going backwards or just there is to many ppl for our little bit of the planet to cope with. as more and more ppl move to the uk every day and more children are born the numbers at some point will out way what the country can handle xxxxxxx |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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Too many people? Absolutely.
Only this morning the Welcome Foundation and GSK announced a malaria vaccine which 'may save hundreds of thousands of lives'.
No mention of how all these 'saved' souls are going to be fed, watered or housed. I suppose that's someone else's problem - one that GSK don't have to worry about. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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Meanwhile ..............
"Young adults in England have scored among the lowest results in the industrialised world in international literacy and numeracy tests.
A major study by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) shows how England's 16 to 24-year-olds are falling behind their Asian and European counterparts.
England is 22nd for literacy and 21st for numeracy out of 24 countries.
The OECD's Andreas Schleicher warned of a shrinking pool of skilled workers.
Unlike other developed countries, the study also showed that young people in England are no better at these tests than older people, in the 55 to 65 age range." |
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ppl are the problem they moan there may be power outages but then you mention new power stations and they moan even more. they moan about there not being enough housing say your going to build a whole new estate and guess what 1000s of objections. same goes for just about most things in this country. if you cant do one and ppl moan about every thing then how can there be any forward movement xxxxxxxx |
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"Too many people? Absolutely.
Only this morning the Welcome Foundation and GSK announced a malaria vaccine which 'may save hundreds of thousands of lives'.
No mention of how all these 'saved' souls are going to be fed, watered or housed. I suppose that's someone else's problem - one that GSK don't have to worry about."
Really? So if a disease started to kill children in England you wouldn't want GKS to worry about a vaccine, you would be happy with the reduction in population. You would watch your friends and families lives destroyed by death and grief? Is the implication to what you say, that population growth is ok, as long as it's here and not in "bongo bongo" land? |
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The solution to the power outage problem is for everyone to use less power. This latest scaremongering by the National Grid is more a response to the threat of energy price caps than anything else. Energy companies telling us they need to invest more so charge us more, rather than taking less profit for themselves. Personally I think the more expensive something is the more careful you are with it, but the poor and the vulnerable shouldn't be priced out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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" National Grid have warned the risk of power shortages this winter is highest in seven years
Around half a million families reliant upon food banks
3.6 million children living in poverty
1.6 million living in severe poverty
Modern day England !!!
We are going backwards not forwards!
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too much sex thats the problem. Too many with lots of time on their hands breading another generation who want to to sit at home watching tv using electricity rather then go out and do something to improve things. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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To many people in the UK for the resources and for a good lifestyle
Not just here but the world over but governments and multi national companies still want growth yet they only see that through population increase
Our education system is a disgrace
Our young seem to be disregarded no matter what successive governments say
We still have high immigration which we do not need yet say anything about it and your a little englander , racist
Or both
Not enough power , housing
Poor transport system
A failing health system
A failing education system ...............
FFS I'm off
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Too many people? Absolutely.
Only this morning the Welcome Foundation and GSK announced a malaria vaccine which 'may save hundreds of thousands of lives'.
No mention of how all these 'saved' souls are going to be fed, watered or housed. I suppose that's someone else's problem - one that GSK don't have to worry about.
Really? So if a disease started to kill children in England you wouldn't want GKS to worry about a vaccine, you would be happy with the reduction in population. You would watch your friends and families lives destroyed by death and grief? Is the implication to what you say, that population growth is ok, as long as it's here and not in "bongo bongo" land?"
No, I'm not in favour of population growth anywhere.
The difference between the UK and bongo bongo land is that, despite politicians' protestations, Britain isn't a poor country and could, if need be cope with a major epidemic.
Bongo bongo land couldn't and would find itself holding out the begging bowl, yet again, to first world charities - the ones with CEOs being paid more than the Prime Minister. |
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wonder if GSK will after they have covered their development costs of the new drug and made a reasonable profit etc allow the countries directly effected by malaria to produce their own generic brand of the drug...?
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"Too many people? Absolutely.
Only this morning the Welcome Foundation and GSK announced a malaria vaccine which 'may save hundreds of thousands of lives'.
No mention of how all these 'saved' souls are going to be fed, watered or housed. I suppose that's someone else's problem - one that GSK don't have to worry about.
Really? So if a disease started to kill children in England you wouldn't want GKS to worry about a vaccine, you would be happy with the reduction in population. You would watch your friends and families lives destroyed by death and grief? Is the implication to what you say, that population growth is ok, as long as it's here and not in "bongo bongo" land?
No, I'm not in favour of population growth anywhere.
The difference between the UK and bongo bongo land is that, despite politicians' protestations, Britain isn't a poor country and could, if need be cope with a major epidemic.
Bongo bongo land couldn't and would find itself holding out the begging bowl, yet again, to first world charities - the ones with CEOs being paid more than the Prime Minister."
Malaria is an epidemic, that has no cure, even this new vaccine is ineffective and years away. If malaria came to the UK people would die as they do elsewhere. The question was would you be as happy to let your friends, family and neighbours children die as you are about letting strangers children die. Those children aren't the government of their country or the CEO's of NGO's.? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"wonder if GSK will after they have covered their development costs of the new drug and made a reasonable profit etc allow the countries directly effected by malaria to produce their own generic brand of the drug...?
Ordinarily you wouldn't think so but there's Gates money in this project so perhaps.
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"wonder if GSK will after they have covered their development costs of the new drug and made a reasonable profit etc allow the countries directly effected by malaria to produce their own generic brand of the drug...?
Ordinarily you wouldn't think so but there's Gates money in this project so perhaps.
ta, did wonder if he may have had some involvement given his record..
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Hello SWCH,
"he solution to the power outage problem is for everyone to use less power. This latest scaremongering by the National Grid is more a response to the threat of energy price caps than anything else."
This is a problem that has been forecast for ten years or more, nothing to do with Mr Milliband's promise. Exacerbated by EU dictat to shut down perfectly good high capacity power stations and Government's procrastination in doing anything effective to increase capacity. Wind farms are not effective and are a huge expense for very little capacity.
Education has been dire for many years now and when serious proposals are made to try and remedy that problem the teachers say that it won't work, leave it to the professionals. Well we had, for too long and a very poor result we've had from their ideas.
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" National Grid have warned the risk of power shortages this winter is highest in seven years
Around half a million families reliant upon food banks
3.6 million children living in poverty
1.6 million living in severe poverty
Modern day England !!!
We are going backwards not forwards!
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If you want green energy, then surely a few power cuts is a small price to pay. Bearing in mind the price of energy has risen to subsidise all those windmills and solar panels that were supposed to power the UK.
When (not if) when the lights go out, it will be interesting to see if people are so keen on renewables then.
As to your general point, as a 47 year old, it does seem like we are in a decline. Concorde gone. We went to the moon 44 years ago, and couldn't go now. You could post a letter in the morning London and have it delivered in Scotland in the evening. Average traffic speed in London is slower than 100 years ago.
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"wonder if GSK will after they have covered their development costs of the new drug and made a reasonable profit etc allow the countries directly effected by malaria to produce their own generic brand of the drug...?
GSK are selling the drug at cost +5%, the 5% will be used to research improvement and new drugs. Bill & Melinda Gates foundation have invested in this vaccine too to get it to were it is now. They will want it available as cheaply as possible.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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disease and famine is natures way of controlling population.
we are fighting against that and therefor will pay the price.
to personalise everything and make it about 'children, friends and family, loved ones' is the reason why there are so many people on the planet.
no one seems to want to look at things scientifically anymore, but always through the loving eyes of we are all oneness |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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Malaria is an epidemic, that has no cure, even this new vaccine is ineffective and years away. "
I'm not sure how you know it's ineffective but, leaving that aside.
" If malaria came to the UK people would die as they do elsewhere. The question was would you be as happy to let your friends, family and neighbours children die as you are about letting strangers children die. Those children aren't the government of their country or the CEO's of NGO's.?"
If they were dying of malaria and, as you suggest, the vaccine is ineffective, we (I)'d have no choice.
That said, I'm not dewy eyed and sentimental about people dying. It is, or ought to be, a natural process.
Some countries are unable to support (feed) their population and seem unable or unwilling to take measures (like contraception) to control the size of that population.
Where that happens, flood, famine disease etc tend to take over.
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" National Grid have warned the risk of power shortages this winter is highest in seven years
Around half a million families reliant upon food banks
3.6 million children living in poverty
1.6 million living in severe poverty
Modern day England !!!
We are going backwards not forwards!
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Just to clarify, UK in title then "modern day England", what's it to be, England or are the poor hangers on included?
So many are keen to slate the UK, are they all Daily Mail readers? For once let us look at the positives. Go on, give it a try  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" National Grid have warned the risk of power shortages this winter is highest in seven years
Around half a million families reliant upon food banks
3.6 million children living in poverty
1.6 million living in severe poverty
Modern day England !!!
We are going backwards not forwards!
too much sex thats the problem. Too many with lots of time on their hands breading another generation who want to to sit at home watching tv using electricity rather then go out and do something to improve things."
Thank god this site promotes safe sex then  |
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"Hello SWCH,
"he solution to the power outage problem is for everyone to use less power. This latest scaremongering by the National Grid is more a response to the threat of energy price caps than anything else."
This is a problem that has been forecast for ten years or more, nothing to do with Mr Milliband's promise. Exacerbated by EU dictat to shut down perfectly good high capacity power stations and Government's procrastination in doing anything effective to increase capacity. Wind farms are not effective and are a huge expense for very little capacity.
Education has been dire for many years now and when serious proposals are made to try and remedy that problem the teachers say that it won't work, leave it to the professionals. Well we had, for too long and a very poor result we've had from their ideas.
Alec"
Whether its a 10 year old problem or not part of the solution is to use less, using less benefits everyone, your bill reduces, carbon emmissions are reduced and the strain is taken off the system. I didn't mention how power should be generated and I didn't mention the problems with education in my response.
However as only 2% of the worlds energy is currently sourced from renewables it doesn't seem we have made much progress in getting away from fossil fuels. |
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What's the definition for poverty and severe poverty?
As I understand they're actually based on relative poverty.
There's about 11.7 million children in the UK - so about a quarter of the kids you see every day are in poverty. And 2 out of every 10 kids are in severe poverty... according to those stats.
No doubt there are kids & families that really struggle - but those kinds of bullshit sensationalist stats used by charities to draw attention to their funding interests don't help.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Malaria is an epidemic, that has no cure, even this new vaccine is ineffective and years away.
I'm not sure how you know it's ineffective but, leaving that aside.
If malaria came to the UK people would die as they do elsewhere. The question was would you be as happy to let your friends, family and neighbours children die as you are about letting strangers children die. Those children aren't the government of their country or the CEO's of NGO's.?
If they were dying of malaria and, as you suggest, the vaccine is ineffective, we (I)'d have no choice.
That said, I'm not dewy eyed and sentimental about people dying. It is, or ought to be, a natural process.
Some countries are unable to support (feed) their population and seem unable or unwilling to take measures (like contraception) to control the size of that population.
Where that happens, flood, famine disease etc tend to take over.
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for once, _nny, you and i stand shoulder to shoulder |
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Malaria is an epidemic, that has no cure, even this new vaccine is ineffective and years away.
I'm not sure how you know it's ineffective but, leaving that aside.
If malaria came to the UK people would die as they do elsewhere. The question was would you be as happy to let your friends, family and neighbours children die as you are about letting strangers children die. Those children aren't the government of their country or the CEO's of NGO's.?
If they were dying of malaria and, as you suggest, the vaccine is ineffective, we (I)'d have no choice.
That said, I'm not dewy eyed and sentimental about people dying. It is, or ought to be, a natural process.
Some countries are unable to support (feed) their population and seem unable or unwilling to take measures (like contraception) to control the size of that population.
Where that happens, flood, famine disease etc tend to take over.
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All the press articles clearly state the vaccine is effective in less than 50% of cases, that's how I know that.
thanks for answering the question too, you don't get dewy eyed about anyone's kids dying as long as it reduces population growth. That's now clear too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Might be worth looking at population density.
That will give you a different perspective as to which countries are the real problem. It's impossible for the UK to sustain itself anymore - there aren't enough resources! |
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"Might be worth looking at population density.
That will give you a different perspective as to which countries are the real problem. It's impossible for the UK to sustain itself anymore - there aren't enough resources!"
There are enough resources, we are just greedy, we waste millions of tons of food, we grow food to feed millions of animals so we can eat their best bits, we have millions of pets that consume food, we use too much fuel on short or unnecessary journeys, we consume electricity and water like they were a human right. We consume clothing and electrical products like they are disposable and we want all that for less than we paid for it last year. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Might be worth looking at population density.
That will give you a different perspective as to which countries are the real problem. It's impossible for the UK to sustain itself anymore - there aren't enough resources!
There are enough resources, we are just greedy, we waste millions of tons of food, we grow food to feed millions of animals so we can eat their best bits, we have millions of pets that consume food, we use too much fuel on short or unnecessary journeys, we consume electricity and water like they were a human right. We consume clothing and electrical products like they are disposable and we want all that for less than we paid for it last year."
if you want to live like it, why dont you move to Africa? lol.
we arent a 3rd world country for a reason.
if you dont want to live in a 1st world country, and you seem to resent it, then move to a less developed one and live off the land.
trust me, you will love it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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rising use of food banks is a national scandal and a absolute disgrace .the government should be ashamed this is happening not applauding it like Cameron is doing  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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im sure present and past government dont realize this is just a small island.to small to support those we have here,and immigrants want to come here as life is so free and easy ,the government give away so much before they think of this country.maybe the eu should club together to populate underpopulated areas,take the burden of the uk. |
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"wonder if GSK will after they have covered their development costs of the new drug and made a reasonable profit etc allow the countries directly effected by malaria to produce their own generic brand of the drug...?
GSK are selling the drug at cost +5%, the 5% will be used to research improvement and new drugs. Bill & Melinda Gates foundation have invested in this vaccine too to get it to were it is now. They will want it available as cheaply as possible.
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"Might be worth looking at population density.
That will give you a different perspective as to which countries are the real problem. It's impossible for the UK to sustain itself anymore - there aren't enough resources!
There are enough resources, we are just greedy, we waste millions of tons of food, we grow food to feed millions of animals so we can eat their best bits, we have millions of pets that consume food, we use too much fuel on short or unnecessary journeys, we consume electricity and water like they were a human right. We consume clothing and electrical products like they are disposable and we want all that for less than we paid for it last year."
No - there actually aren't enough resources!
All those things will help - but ultimately there are too many people in too small a space far too dependant on too much stuff - that largely comes from out of this country. |
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"What's the definition for poverty and severe poverty?
As I understand they're actually based on relative poverty.
There's about 11.7 million children in the UK - so about a quarter of the kids you see every day are in poverty. And 2 out of every 10 kids are in severe poverty... according to those stats.
No doubt there are kids & families that really struggle - but those kinds of bullshit sensationalist stats used by charities to draw attention to their funding interests don't help.
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Do your research yourself then !
Work at the sharp end with britains most vulnerable and poor families and see if the sensationalist stats stack up
Sit there with your head in the clouds and pretend its all bullshit so charities can keep going
Talk about misguided! Wow |
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"What's the definition for poverty and severe poverty?
As I understand they're actually based on relative poverty.
There's about 11.7 million children in the UK - so about a quarter of the kids you see every day are in poverty. And 2 out of every 10 kids are in severe poverty... according to those stats.
No doubt there are kids & families that really struggle - but those kinds of bullshit sensationalist stats used by charities to draw attention to their funding interests don't help.
Do your research yourself then !
Work at the sharp end with britains most vulnerable and poor families and see if the sensationalist stats stack up
Sit there with your head in the clouds and pretend its all bullshit so charities can keep going
Talk about misguided! Wow"
And yet you haven't managed to answer the question.
You will struggle to. I know this because I have done the research. When you have the definition for severe poverty we can discuss just how much this country is regressing and which one of has their head in the clouds. |
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" National Grid have warned the risk of power shortages this winter is highest in seven years
Around half a million families reliant upon food banks
3.6 million children living in poverty
1.6 million living in severe poverty
Modern day England !!!
We are going backwards not forwards!
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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Well, I've got a gas hob, a bioethanol fire (and I've just taken delivery of my winter fuel) and I always have candles in. Ah reminds me of the 70s.
Welcome to the land of the Tories. |
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"What's the definition for poverty and severe poverty?
As I understand they're actually based on relative poverty.
There's about 11.7 million children in the UK - so about a quarter of the kids you see every day are in poverty. And 2 out of every 10 kids are in severe poverty... according to those stats.
No doubt there are kids & families that really struggle - but those kinds of bullshit sensationalist stats used by charities to draw attention to their funding interests don't help.
Do your research yourself then !
Work at the sharp end with britains most vulnerable and poor families and see if the sensationalist stats stack up
Sit there with your head in the clouds and pretend its all bullshit so charities can keep going
Talk about misguided! Wow
And yet you haven't managed to answer the question.
You will struggle to. I know this because I have done the research. When you have the definition for severe poverty we can discuss just how much this country is regressing and which one of has their head in the clouds."
Bet you are lots of struggling families in the Cotswolds ! |
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"Bet you are lots of struggling families in the Cotswolds !"
Your implication being?
You began the debate. If you can't back it up at least have the grace to admit so instead of resorting to childish diversions.
I'll help you out a little. The method by which poverty is calculated in the UK means that when people are worse off there are actually less people defined as being in poverty. That's why they're so wishy washy about the definitions - they don't make too much sense.
There is very little actual poverty in the UK. What there is is massive inequality. |
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"Bet you are lots of struggling families in the Cotswolds !
Your implication being?
You began the debate. If you can't back it up at least have the grace to admit so instead of resorting to childish diversions.
I'll help you out a little. The method by which poverty is calculated in the UK means that when people are worse off there are actually less people defined as being in poverty. That's why they're so wishy washy about the definitions - they don't make too much sense.
There is very little actual poverty in the UK. What there is is massive inequality."
What the public suggest is for a socially acceptable standard of living is this
a single working-age adult needs a budget of £200 per week;
a pensioner couple need £240;
a couple with two children need £470; and
a lone parent with one child needs £285
Cuts and changes to the welfare system mean more people than ever are reliant upon food banks , more people are scared of turning on their heating , approx 2 children in every classroom go to school without a breakfast
Reality is that most of the poorest families in the uk have less than 12 quid pp per day to live on ...
If you choose to ignore that fact
That's up to you
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The bastard Tories eh?
Anyone would think that the planning cycle and regulatory ( see, they even named it after themselves) framework for energy requirements was like 7 years or more. Wouldn't they.
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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"Bet you are lots of struggling families in the Cotswolds !
Your implication being?
You began the debate. If you can't back it up at least have the grace to admit so instead of resorting to childish diversions.
I'll help you out a little. The method by which poverty is calculated in the UK means that when people are worse off there are actually less people defined as being in poverty. That's why they're so wishy washy about the definitions - they don't make too much sense.
There is very little actual poverty in the UK. What there is is massive inequality.
What the public suggest is for a socially acceptable standard of living is this
a single working-age adult needs a budget of £200 per week;
a pensioner couple need £240;
a couple with two children need £470; and
a lone parent with one child needs £285
Cuts and changes to the welfare system mean more people than ever are reliant upon food banks , more people are scared of turning on their heating , approx 2 children in every classroom go to school without a breakfast
Reality is that most of the poorest families in the uk have less than 12 quid pp per day to live on ...
If you choose to ignore that fact
That's up to you
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Are you seriously say that a family can't give their child(ren) a couple of slices of toast for breakfast? Don't believe you. |
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"Bet you are lots of struggling families in the Cotswolds !
Your implication being?
You began the debate. If you can't back it up at least have the grace to admit so instead of resorting to childish diversions.
I'll help you out a little. The method by which poverty is calculated in the UK means that when people are worse off there are actually less people defined as being in poverty. That's why they're so wishy washy about the definitions - they don't make too much sense.
There is very little actual poverty in the UK. What there is is massive inequality.
What the public suggest is for a socially acceptable standard of living is this
a single working-age adult needs a budget of £200 per week;
a pensioner couple need £240;
a couple with two children need £470; and
a lone parent with one child needs £285
Cuts and changes to the welfare system mean more people than ever are reliant upon food banks , more people are scared of turning on their heating , approx 2 children in every classroom go to school without a breakfast
Reality is that most of the poorest families in the uk have less than 12 quid pp per day to live on ...
If you choose to ignore that fact
That's up to you
Are you seriously say that a family can't give their child(ren) a couple of slices of toast for breakfast? Don't believe you."
Do some research
Or some voluntary work with these families |
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So we've moved to debating socially accepted standards of living rather than severe poverty?
Throwing figures about doesn't help much either. £12 per person per day to cover what? How many are on that and what needs do they have?
And if you're to backup your original point how does that compare with previous generations? |
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"So we've moved to debating socially accepted standards of living rather than severe poverty?
Throwing figures about doesn't help much either. £12 per person per day to cover what? How many are on that and what needs do they have?
And if you're to backup your original point how does that compare with previous generations?"
It's quite obvious your ignorant to it and in complete denial
I work with these families and see the children and how their lives are affected first hand
My point all along has been that for one of the richest countries in the world we seem to be going backwards
That's my opinion like it or not |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's quite obvious your ignorant to it and in complete denial
I work with these families and see the children and how their lives are affected first hand
My point all along has been that for one of the richest countries in the world we seem to be going backwards
That's my opinion like it or not "
It's rather more ignorant to assume that others don't have the same or more experience than you on an anonymous forum.
But at least you concede now that it's your opinion rather than fact.
My point was that the tactics of charities that commission these pieces of 'research' and the subsequent high publicity campaigns probably do more damage to gaining support needed for those who really are in need. Based on the Save the Children figures 2 out of every 10 children you see tomorrow will be in extreme poverty. One of those probably won't have a mobile phone. |
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not got £12 pp per day to live on?
a family of 2 adults and 2 kids, thats nearly £50 a day?
who the hell needs £50 to get through a day?
food wise a loaf of bread and 3 tins of beans can do breakfast a tes (school dinners taking care of the rest)
yes there isnt as much money around as there was when the labour party were spending like a d*unken sailor home on leave, but get real, there are families in india living on less than a quid a day.
poverty in britain is not having an iphone, the latest trainers, or having to shop in morrisons rather than sainsburys.
and thats MY opinion, based on no more fact than yours |
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"not got £12 pp per day to live on?
a family of 2 adults and 2 kids, thats nearly £50 a day?
who the hell needs £50 to get through a day?
food wise a loaf of bread and 3 tins of beans can do breakfast a tes (school dinners taking care of the rest)
yes there isnt as much money around as there was when the labour party were spending like a d*unken sailor home on leave, but get real, there are families in india living on less than a quid a day.
poverty in britain is not having an iphone, the latest trainers, or having to shop in morrisons rather than sainsburys.
and thats MY opinion, based on no more fact than yours"
You have no idea ! Get your head out if the clouds |
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"not got £12 pp per day to live on?
a family of 2 adults and 2 kids, thats nearly £50 a day?
who the hell needs £50 to get through a day?
food wise a loaf of bread and 3 tins of beans can do breakfast a tes (school dinners taking care of the rest)
yes there isnt as much money around as there was when the labour party were spending like a d*unken sailor home on leave, but get real, there are families in india living on less than a quid a day.
poverty in britain is not having an iphone, the latest trainers, or having to shop in morrisons rather than sainsburys.
and thats MY opinion, based on no more fact than yours
You have no idea ! Get your head out if the clouds"
no thanks.
i like it here.
smells of geraniums (according to QI)
listen, the country is a rich country.
in places like india there is massively grotesque inequality where money is everything, whereas here, everyone has the chance of a decent start in life.
if people have chosen to waste that chance and not made enough of their life to make a reasonable life for themselves, well thats no one elses fault but their own.
you say get your head out of the clouds?
i say, if more people had their heads in the clouds, they would be spending less time in the gutter |
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By *nnyMan
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" .........
in places like india there is massively grotesque inequality where money is everything, whereas here, everyone has the chance of a decent start in life.
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That's not the case. Your postcode at birth is the single most important factor in determining almost everything from life expectancy to income. |
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since we got our water meters we have to use much less water because the first bill was as high as our electricity bill.
we wear pyjamas in bed to keep warm, trouble is now we dont put our heating on so much our house gets damp when we have a lot of rain. |
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"Too many people? Absolutely.
Only this morning the Welcome Foundation and GSK announced a malaria vaccine which 'may save hundreds of thousands of lives'.
No mention of how all these 'saved' souls are going to be fed, watered or housed. I suppose that's someone else's problem - one that GSK don't have to worry about."
That quote from the very same person who only last week was on here complaining bitterly that certain vaccinations had been delayed in Scotland.   |
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" National Grid have warned the risk of power shortages this winter is highest in seven years
Around half a million families reliant upon food banks
3.6 million children living in poverty
1.6 million living in severe poverty
Modern day England !!!
We are going backwards not forwards!
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Kinda makes ya wonder about the word GREAT in Great Britain!
"Great Britain my arse" As Ricky Tomlinson aka Jim Royale would say |
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"Meanwhile ..............
"Young adults in England have scored among the lowest results in the industrialised world in international literacy and numeracy tests.
A major study by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) shows how England's 16 to 24-year-olds are falling behind their Asian and European counterparts.
England is 22nd for literacy and 21st for numeracy out of 24 countries.
The OECD's Andreas Schleicher warned of a shrinking pool of skilled workers.
Unlike other developed countries, the study also showed that young people in England are no better at these tests than older people, in the 55 to 65 age range.""
This has been building up since the 60's.
While the rest of the world have valued and built excellent education systems Britain has slowly but surely dismantled what was arguably the best in the world.
New teaching methods spawned in the 60's have developed into the "child centred" nonsense we have today. Very few kids (if any) are put under pressure to succeed, and schools have become nothing more than child processing centres. The real rot started with the abolition of Grammar schools, while they were not equal, they did give brighter kids a chance to achieve something, which sadly the comprehensive system is unable (or unwilling) to do.
Think about this. How many top politicians (of all party's) came from a Grammar school background in the past? and the same people that supported the abolition of them are the first to start moaning that politicians (of all party's) are now from private schools. Ever wondered WHY?!?!?
As a contrast I would look at Germany (and even they are only 11th on the list) My stepson is currently doing the equivalent of A levels here. he HAS to do 11 subjects, not pick 3 soft ones just so he can swan off to uni at the end of 2 years. He has to do 3 years of core subjects at a very high level or nothing.
The German system has another little surprise for kids who want to spend their school days pissing about round the back of the bike shed. Fail your end of year exams, so do the WHOLE YEAR AGAIN.
Until Britain starts pushing kids to achieve and putting them under a bit (lot) more pressure to succed we will just carry on falling downwards until we hit the bottom. Bringing back the Grammar schools would be a very good start.
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"Too many people? Absolutely.
Only this morning the Welcome Foundation and GSK announced a malaria vaccine which 'may save hundreds of thousands of lives'.
No mention of how all these 'saved' souls are going to be fed, watered or housed. I suppose that's someone else's problem - one that GSK don't have to worry about.
That quote from the very same person who only last week was on here complaining bitterly that certain vaccinations had been delayed in Scotland. "
Never underestimate the value of being able to give a bunch of incompetents a good verbal kicking and, if I may say so, the fact you remembered proves it works. |
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on the education front, please can we not forget the figures will be ruined by many 'students' having english as their 2nd language, whereas most of the countries they have come from, say poland, ukraine and so on, have education systems in their own languages, and the vast majority of students will be indiginous. |
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"Too many people? Absolutely.
Only this morning the Welcome Foundation and GSK announced a malaria vaccine which 'may save hundreds of thousands of lives'.
No mention of how all these 'saved' souls are going to be fed, watered or housed. I suppose that's someone else's problem - one that GSK don't have to worry about.
That quote from the very same person who only last week was on here complaining bitterly that certain vaccinations had been delayed in Scotland.
Never underestimate the value of being able to give a bunch of incompetents a good verbal kicking and, if I may say so, the fact you remembered proves it works."
So that begs the question. Do you really believe in anything at all? Or is it that you just get off on giving someone a "verbal kicking" on whatever side of whatever subject? |
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So that begs the question. Do you really believe in anything at all? Or is it that you just get off on giving someone a "verbal kicking" on whatever side of whatever subject?"
Absolutely. |
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" National Grid have warned the risk of power shortages this winter is highest in seven years
Around half a million families reliant upon food banks
3.6 million children living in poverty
1.6 million living in severe poverty
Modern day England !!!
We are going backwards not forwards!
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Very true.
With all the cuts, we're still spending more. The government is taking long term risks. Will it pay off? No idea. |
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So that begs the question. Do you really believe in anything at all? Or is it that you just get off on giving someone a "verbal kicking" on whatever side of whatever subject?
Absolutely."
Oh well, at least you are honest. |
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We are our own worst enemy.
We consume, we waste, we're selfish and then when something goes wrong we point the finger at a group of people who will then point the finger at various social groups to take the blame.
The reality is as families, as communities, as society, as a nation, we need to look in the mirror and ask ourselves:
"What did I do or what can I do to make things better?"
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" National Grid have warned the risk of power shortages this winter is highest in seven years
Around half a million families reliant upon food banks
3.6 million children living in poverty
1.6 million living in severe poverty
Modern day England !!!
We are going backwards not forwards!
Very true.
With all the cuts, we're still spending more. The government is taking long term risks. Will it pay off? No idea."
Judging by the latest IMF report on the British economy it seems to be.
I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in Ball's office when that one hit his desk |
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".........
So that begs the question. Do you really believe in anything at all? Or is it that you just get off on giving someone a "verbal kicking" on whatever side of whatever subject?
Absolutely.
Oh well, at least you are honest."
An Officer and a Gentleman. |
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My friend's brother died of malaria recently (well, Blackwater Fever, specifically) in Cambodia, while working for FIFA on a football stadium project.
So it doesn't just affect the inhabitants of far-away lands. |
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Get your candles and flashlights in, get a portable gas stove and stock up on butane and if you have a bbq, get the last of the charcoal in. Or just bitch about it IF it happens.
My brother told me there were businessmen getting out of mercs and BMW's going to a foodbank he was working on to get their fill. That disgusted me. I hope they're doing the rounds for somebody else that needs it, not collecting it like tax returns. |
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My brother told me there were businessmen getting out of mercs and BMW's going to a foodbank he was working on to get their fill. That disgusted me. I hope they're doing the rounds for somebody else that needs it, not collecting it like tax returns."
This was shown an a tv documentary (maybe not BMW/ Mercedes) back when food banks/ Trussell Trust were just beginning to appear. |
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" National Grid have warned the risk of power shortages this winter is highest in seven years
Around half a million families reliant upon food banks
3.6 million children living in poverty
1.6 million living in severe poverty
Modern day England !!!
We are going backwards not forwards!
Very true.
With all the cuts, we're still spending more. The government is taking long term risks. Will it pay off? No idea.
Judging by the latest IMF report on the British economy it seems to be.
I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in Ball's office when that one hit his desk "
Lol
The IMF is influenced by British authority so, a bit sketchy atm. |
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All the international organisations need the financial contributions of their larger members to keep going so the IMF, World Bank, NATO, UN etc are usually reluctant to criticise their members and may even say nice things about them from time to time |
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"We are our own worst enemy.
We consume, we waste, we're selfish and then when something goes wrong we point the finger at a group of people who will then point the finger at various social groups to take the blame.
The reality is as families, as communities, as society, as a nation, we need to look in the mirror and ask ourselves:
"What did I do or what can I do to make things better?"
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"Get your candles and flashlights in, get a portable gas stove and stock up on butane and if you have a bbq, get the last of the charcoal in. Or just bitch about it IF it happens.
My brother told me there were businessmen getting out of mercs and BMW's going to a foodbank he was working on to get their fill. That disgusted me. I hope they're doing the rounds for somebody else that needs it, not collecting it like tax returns."
Probably to balance out losing their child benefits!
There was a programme on them a while back on which they said they never check people's circumstances. It's another measurement that can't really be considered reflective of the actual situation. |
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"All the international organisations need the financial contributions of their larger members to keep going so the IMF, World Bank, NATO, UN etc are usually reluctant to criticise their members and may even say nice things about them from time to time "
Speaking of which, Christine Lagarde (sp?) seems to excel at this, creepy. |
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"Get your candles and flashlights in, get a portable gas stove and stock up on butane and if you have a bbq, get the last of the charcoal in. Or just bitch about it IF it happens.
My brother told me there were businessmen getting out of mercs and BMW's going to a foodbank he was working on to get their fill. That disgusted me. I hope they're doing the rounds for somebody else that needs it, not collecting it like tax returns.
Probably to balance out losing their child benefits!
There was a programme on them a while back on which they said they never check people's circumstances. It's another measurement that can't really be considered reflective of the actual situation."
Well it would make sense to be a benefit that needs to be claimed for rather than just hand it out willy nilly. |
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Trussell say "Care professionals such as doctors, health visitors, social workers, CAB and police identify people in crisis and issue them with a foodbank voucher. Foodbanks partner with a wide range of care professionals who are best placed to assess need and make sure that it is genuine."
"Foodbank clients bring their voucher to a foodbank centre where it can be redeemed for three days emergency food. Volunteers meet clients over a cup of tea or free hot meal and are able to signpost people to agencies able to solve the longer-term problem." |
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" National Grid have warned the risk of power shortages this winter is highest in seven years
Around half a million families reliant upon food banks
3.6 million children living in poverty
1.6 million living in severe poverty
Modern day England !!!
We are going backwards not forwards!
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But dont worry, "call me we'er all in it together Dave" and his mates have been able to give those earning over £150,000 pa a 5% tax cut (that's £50,000 per million for all their multimillion annual directors emoluments Tory backers), so its not all doom and gloom.
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"All the international organisations need the financial contributions of their larger members to keep going so the IMF, World Bank, NATO, UN etc are usually reluctant to criticise their members and may even say nice things about them from time to time
Speaking of which, Christine Lagarde (sp?) seems to excel at this, creepy. "
You beat me to that one, and don't forget the other soppy Brazilian bird from the UN slagging Britain off the other week. |
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