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What is it with the women on here?
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By the way, I know there are people who think it's petty, but when I see a 'single' profile that states they only play with their partner, I report it. As you say, its hard enough finding a meet without people having the wrong profile type. | |||
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"Directly questioning the Entitled on here seldom ends well " | |||
" when I see a 'single' profile that states they only play with their partner, I report it. " | |||
"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys." That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all. | |||
"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all." Ahhh that's easy to answer , they prefer to look for them because it is so much easier that way  | |||
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"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all. Ahhh that's easy to answer , they prefer to look for them because it is so much easier that way "I've little doubt its no fun to dig through a heaving mailbox full of 'hi' 'fancy a fuck' 'hard cock here' but at the same time, its unfair to isolate and alienate the guys who are willing to make an effort. | |||
"Perseverance
By the way, I know there are people who think it's petty, but when I see a 'single' profile that states they only play with their partner, I report it. As you say, its hard enough finding a meet without people having the wrong profile type."This. Especially the ones who you arrange to meet after mailing each other for a few days, THEN, they decide to tell you that their oh will be there for their safety but will 'only join in if asked'! Yeah, right. Report and block em! | |||
"maybe sometimes they want their male FB there for the first time to feel secure? "I'm a single fem and just don't get that. I do lots of things to protect my safety but inviting a fb to protect me isn't one of them. I also report profiles where I see that written | |||
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"Sorry but I'm having a rant and would like to hear other people's _iews! I'm the female half of a couple and I'm looking for a woman to join us. Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. And the biggest complaint is they have a single profile and then say they are a couple and will not play alone...... Honestly WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT How the hell are you supposed to meet women on here? " I don't see the problem you read profiles by the looks of it and so you will know if they are or are not looking to meet couples. Even some that have may not want to meet you and others who don't shout about it might. Complaining about what others put on their profile be it a make female or couple is unfounded in my _iew its all choice for people as long as it doesn't break the rules. | |||
"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all. Ahhh that's easy to answer , they prefer to look for them because it is so much easier that way
I've little doubt its no fun to dig through a heaving mailbox full of
'hi'
'fancy a fuck'
'hard cock here'
but at the same time, its unfair to isolate and alienate the guys who are willing to make an effort."But their idea of an effort may not be the same as the guys so def easier to find for themselves. | |||
"Sorry but I'm having a rant and would like to hear other people's _iews! I'm the female half of a couple and I'm looking for a woman to join us. Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. And the biggest complaint is they have a single profile and then say they are a couple and will not play alone...... Honestly WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT How the hell are you supposed to meet women on here? " Blame it on the British education system! Some folks are not very erudite! Worry not - Mr Gove is sorting it for the next generation  I appreciate that is little consolation in the 'now'  | |||
"So we now like single guys mostly. They never yell stop "Depends what you're doing to them.  | |||
"Directly questioning the Entitled on here seldom ends well " | |||
"Directly questioning the Entitled on here seldom ends well "
"Perseverance
By the way, I know there are people who think it's petty, but when I see a 'single' profile that states they only play with their partner, I report it. As you say, its hard enough finding a meet without people having the wrong profile type."I now do this as well. | |||
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"maybe sometimes they want their male FB there for the first time to feel secure? "How ridiculous! I'm a single woman capable of meeting without having my hand held! | |||
"maybe sometimes they want their male FB there for the first time to feel secure?
I'm a single fem and just don't get that. I do lots of things to protect my safety but inviting a fb to protect me isn't one of them.
I also report profiles where I see that written "I agree with you! | |||
"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all. Ahhh that's easy to answer , they prefer to look for them because it is so much easier that way
I've little doubt its no fun to dig through a heaving mailbox full of
'hi'
'fancy a fuck'
'hard cock here'
but at the same time, its unfair to isolate and alienate the guys who are willing to make an effort.
But their idea of an effort may not be the same as the guys so def easier to find for themselves. "I don't bother looking for people or bother browsing profiles - I just wait for them to find me! It saves much wasted time as a single male!!  | |||
"Sorry but I'm having a rant and would like to hear other people's _iews! I'm the female half of a couple and I'm looking for a woman to join us. Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. And the biggest complaint is they have a single profile and then say they are a couple and will not play alone...... Honestly WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT How the hell are you supposed to meet women on here? " Welcome to our world. Most women I meet on here are very wishy washy and haven't got a clue what they're doing... A lot of women say they want to meet but don't. A lot of women say they want to chat but have sex. A lot of women have been on here browsing for a year but not found anyone... Most women I chat to are so indecisive that it pisses me off! Hahaha! What I can see of a lot of women on here, they just do stuff at random and make decisions using dice! Haha! Love them though! There are some great women on here. The ones I've met are all lovely. You stand a good chance in a way because you should understand what women want and how they work. Imagine what its like for us guys! Xx | |||
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"maybe sometimes they want their male FB there for the first time to feel secure?
I'm a single fem and just don't get that. I do lots of things to protect my safety but inviting a fb to protect me isn't one of them.
I also report profiles where I see that written " | |||
"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all. Ahhh that's easy to answer , they prefer to look for them because it is so much easier that way "Spot on Miss! | |||
"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all. Ahhh that's easy to answer , they prefer to look for them because it is so much easier that way
I've little doubt its no fun to dig through a heaving mailbox full of
'hi'
'fancy a fuck'
'hard cock here'
but at the same time, its unfair to isolate and alienate the guys who are willing to make an effort.
But their idea of an effort may not be the same as the guys so def easier to find for themselves. "But still unfair on the guys, who may well fill the ladies criteria (and I mean objectively from the womans standpoint), yet are unable to message her. | |||
"maybe sometimes they want their male FB there for the first time to feel secure?
How ridiculous! I'm a single woman capable of meeting without having my hand held! "+1 | |||
"I can kind of understand a single fem who may want to have the first social met with a known companion for safety reasons (although I don't, I meet in a public place with singles or couples initially and feel safe enough that way). If a single profile was insisting on a companion for play meets I'd report, block and move on" Don't get that either! What do you think will happen in Costas? Personally, if someone is so jittery to have a social meet in a public place, doubt they'll turn up alone for a fuck! | |||
"maybe sometimes they want their male FB there for the first time to feel secure?
I'm a single fem and just don't get that. I do lots of things to protect my safety but inviting a fb to protect me isn't one of them.
I also report profiles where I see that written "Didn't say I would, but it's possible  | |||
"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all." That's coz they wanna do the messaging rather than being bombarded with messages from every single bloke in a 200 mile radius! I don't blame them either tbh. | |||
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"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all. Ahhh that's easy to answer , they prefer to look for them because it is so much easier that way
I've little doubt its no fun to dig through a heaving mailbox full of
'hi'
'fancy a fuck'
'hard cock here'
but at the same time, its unfair to isolate and alienate the guys who are willing to make an effort.
But their idea of an effort may not be the same as the guys so def easier to find for themselves.
But still unfair on the guys, who may well fill the ladies criteria (and I mean objectively from the womans standpoint), yet are unable to message her."Nope not unfair at all, she is using the site the way it works best for her. She will find what she wants when she wants. | |||
"maybe sometimes they want their male FB there for the first time to feel secure?
How ridiculous! I'm a single woman capable of meeting without having my hand held! " Wow! | |||
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"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all. Ahhh that's easy to answer , they prefer to look for them because it is so much easier that way
I've little doubt its no fun to dig through a heaving mailbox full of
'hi'
'fancy a fuck'
'hard cock here'
but at the same time, its unfair to isolate and alienate the guys who are willing to make an effort.
But their idea of an effort may not be the same as the guys so def easier to find for themselves.
But still unfair on the guys, who may well fill the ladies criteria (and I mean objectively from the womans standpoint), yet are unable to message her.
Nope not unfair at all, she is using the site the way it works best for her. She will find what she wants when she wants. "But the guys can't - hence the term 'unfair'. | |||
"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all. Ahhh that's easy to answer , they prefer to look for them because it is so much easier that way
I've little doubt its no fun to dig through a heaving mailbox full of
'hi'
'fancy a fuck'
'hard cock here'
but at the same time, its unfair to isolate and alienate the guys who are willing to make an effort.
But their idea of an effort may not be the same as the guys so def easier to find for themselves.
But still unfair on the guys, who may well fill the ladies criteria (and I mean objectively from the womans standpoint), yet are unable to message her."But its only 'unfair' if you want to meet them, isn't it? What happens if the option to choose how we pick meets is taken away from us? You could send messages, but they don't have to answer. Should that option be taken away too? Then what? Single women have to meet all men who are compatible above 60%? | |||
"maybe sometimes they want their male FB there for the first time to feel secure?
How ridiculous! I'm a single woman capable of meeting without having my hand held!
+1 "i think she ment when they are new to swinging | |||
"maybe sometimes they want their male FB there for the first time to feel secure?
How ridiculous! I'm a single woman capable of meeting without having my hand held!
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i think she ment when they are new to swinging "You could be right also the site is full of people who are not as confident as they would like to be. For people to say I do it so you should do it is farcical at best and shows a blinkered _iew on how different people can be. | |||
"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all. Ahhh that's easy to answer , they prefer to look for them because it is so much easier that way
I've little doubt its no fun to dig through a heaving mailbox full of
'hi'
'fancy a fuck'
'hard cock here'
but at the same time, its unfair to isolate and alienate the guys who are willing to make an effort.
But their idea of an effort may not be the same as the guys so def easier to find for themselves.
But still unfair on the guys, who may well fill the ladies criteria (and I mean objectively from the womans standpoint), yet are unable to message her.
But its only 'unfair' if you want to meet them, isn't it? What happens if the option to choose how we pick meets is taken away from us? You could send messages, but they don't have to answer. Should that option be taken away too? Then what? Single women have to meet all men who are compatible above 60%?"I didn't say anything about meeting, I was referring to messaging. | |||
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"maybe sometimes they want their male FB there for the first time to feel secure?
How ridiculous! I'm a single woman capable of meeting without having my hand held!
+1
i think she ment when they are new to swinging "Regardless, new or old... If you're having someone come with you to meets... get a cpl profile IMO... | |||
"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all. Ahhh that's easy to answer , they prefer to look for them because it is so much easier that way
I've little doubt its no fun to dig through a heaving mailbox full of
'hi'
'fancy a fuck'
'hard cock here'
but at the same time, its unfair to isolate and alienate the guys who are willing to make an effort.
But their idea of an effort may not be the same as the guys so def easier to find for themselves.
But still unfair on the guys, who may well fill the ladies criteria (and I mean objectively from the womans standpoint), yet are unable to message her.
But its only 'unfair' if you want to meet them, isn't it? What happens if the option to choose how we pick meets is taken away from us? You could send messages, but they don't have to answer. Should that option be taken away too? Then what? Single women have to meet all men who are compatible above 60%?
I didn't say anything about meeting, I was referring to messaging."So you feel you should be entitled to message someone even if they don't want you to? | |||
"What is it with the women on here? some provide me with the very best entertainment I could ever ask for on occasion laughing with them on many occasions however, laughing.........." | |||
"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all. Ahhh that's easy to answer , they prefer to look for them because it is so much easier that way
I've little doubt its no fun to dig through a heaving mailbox full of
'hi'
'fancy a fuck'
'hard cock here'
but at the same time, its unfair to isolate and alienate the guys who are willing to make an effort.
But their idea of an effort may not be the same as the guys so def easier to find for themselves.
But still unfair on the guys, who may well fill the ladies criteria (and I mean objectively from the womans standpoint), yet are unable to message her.
Nope not unfair at all, she is using the site the way it works best for her. She will find what she wants when she wants.
But the guys can't - hence the term 'unfair'."So you're saying that fems shouldn't have options because it affects your options. Yep that's really fair 
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"If someone feels they need a bodyguard to meet me I would probably leave it to be honest. " Especially if the meet is during daylight hours in a public place for coffee! | |||
"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all. Ahhh that's easy to answer , they prefer to look for them because it is so much easier that way
I've little doubt its no fun to dig through a heaving mailbox full of
'hi'
'fancy a fuck'
'hard cock here'
but at the same time, its unfair to isolate and alienate the guys who are willing to make an effort."Most of our messages are like that. | |||
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"I didn't say anything about meeting, I was referring to messaging." I'm honestly struggling with this remark. So you want to be able to message women who you think you would be compatible with? If not for a meet, then what for? | |||
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"If someone feels they need a bodyguard to meet me I would probably leave it to be honest. Especially if the meet is during daylight hours in a public place for coffee! "Oh I dunno that's one way of finding a mmf ah shit I just fell into the plan | |||
"I am a single girl, and properly single. As in I will not be bringing a partner/friend/fb along to a meet with me. I don't get the whole thing of taking someone with you along on a first meet for safety reasons. I will only ever meet someone for the first time in a public place for a drink or coffee first. Besides, I don't see it as any different to maybe meeting a guy on a night out and then going on a date. Do some people think that just because a guy is on a swingers site he must be some raving lunatic? I've had more experience of that in the vanilla world. Why would a girl feel more secure meeting a couple than a single guy? (I have heard that one as well). I mean if something awful was going to happen it's two against one anyway which is worse than one against one! And as for blocking single guys even if a girl is looking for single guys - some girls prefer to do the looking and messaging themselves rather than being bombarded with useless one-liners. And some, like me, turn their filters on and off. I have my filters on when I don't want to receive messages and off when I do. Just makes it easier if I'm busy with other things and don't have time to filter through and reply. I do state this in my profile though but yet I still get questioned as to why I block single guys! And there are plenty of single girls out there more than willing to meet. The thing is that we just happen to be in the minority on here which means we have more choice. It's just the way it is and I really wish people would get that. Plus, I need to be attracted to both parties (physically and mentally) in a couple before I would consider meeting with them - and that is actually harder than it sounds! And the dynamic needs to ne right, which can be difficult for a single coming into a couple." Hi In your profile you said 'hint hint single girls' but you've blocked all from my sex... bit confusing there. | |||
"What is it with the women on here? some provide me with the very best entertainment I could ever ask for on occasion laughing with them on many occasions however, laughing.........." | |||
"maybe sometimes they want their male FB there for the first time to feel secure?
How ridiculous! I'm a single woman capable of meeting without having my hand held!
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i think she ment when they are new to swinging
Regardless, new or old... If you're having someone come with you to meets... get a cpl profile IMO... "How I see it too. | |||
"If someone feels they need a bodyguard to meet me I would probably leave it to be honest. Especially if the meet is during daylight hours in a public place for coffee!
Oh I dunno that's one way of finding a mmf ah shit I just fell into the plan " | |||
"Hi In your profile you said 'hint hint single girls' but you've blocked all from my sex... bit confusing there. "Because my filters are on at the mo for the reasons I state above and in my profile | |||
"If someone feels they need a bodyguard to meet me I would probably leave it to be honest. Especially if the meet is during daylight hours in a public place for coffee!
Oh I dunno that's one way of finding a mmf ah shit I just fell into the plan "Don't you fall for their evil plan Moody!  | |||
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"maybe sometimes they want their male FB there for the first time to feel secure?
How ridiculous! I'm a single woman capable of meeting without having my hand held!
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i think she ment when they are new to swinging "Exactly! I am soooo bi-curious, but women on here don't seem up for that. | |||
"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all. Ahhh that's easy to answer , they prefer to look for them because it is so much easier that way
I've little doubt its no fun to dig through a heaving mailbox full of
'hi'
'fancy a fuck'
'hard cock here'
but at the same time, its unfair to isolate and alienate the guys who are willing to make an effort.
But their idea of an effort may not be the same as the guys so def easier to find for themselves.
But still unfair on the guys, who may well fill the ladies criteria (and I mean objectively from the womans standpoint), yet are unable to message her.
Nope not unfair at all, she is using the site the way it works best for her. She will find what she wants when she wants.
But the guys can't - hence the term 'unfair'."I'm sorry but suggesting that people do not have the right to filter messages as they chose because it is unfair shows a sense of entitlement that is bordering on being scary! | |||
"maybe sometimes they want their male FB there for the first time to feel secure? "With respect, I don't buy this argument. Particularly if the meet is at my place. Why should I have a random bloke in my house if I don't wish to? What about *my* security? If the single female doesn't feel comfortable coming round, then she is perfectly entitled to stay at home and let me find someone who is. | |||
"Sorry but I'm having a rant and would like to hear other people's _iews! I'm the female half of a couple and I'm looking for a woman to join us. Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. And the biggest complaint is they have a single profile and then say they are a couple and will not play alone...... Honestly WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT How the hell are you supposed to meet women on here? " Simple - message them and get talking! And if a profile doesn't suit you - move on! It's a pretty simple theory (that also works in practice!) that if used ensures a happy existence on Fab. Or try clubs! | |||
"sorry op , it might also be useful having pics of the male half up also though in glasgow there is a party club house, maybe check that out- maybe ur needing a bit more exposure as a cpl to get the attention ur after some dont really like the hidden verification, its not really great for installing a pre-trusting element" Aaah but having 2 grown sons.. would not like them coming across my face lol | |||
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"sorry op , it might also be useful having pics of the male half up also though in glasgow there is a party club house, maybe check that out- maybe ur needing a bit more exposure as a cpl to get the attention ur after some dont really like the hidden verification, its not really great for installing a pre-trusting element Aaah but having 2 grown sons.. would not like them coming across my face lol" Just your tits? | |||
"Single fems are a myth oh here I'm sure as we have been looking high and low with no joy grrrrrrrrrrr lol" Hey I'm one!! But just too far away from you  | |||
"sorry op , it might also be useful having pics of the male half up also though in glasgow there is a party club house, maybe check that out- maybe ur needing a bit more exposure as a cpl to get the attention ur after some dont really like the hidden verification, its not really great for installing a pre-trusting element Aaah but having 2 grown sons.. would not like them coming across my face lol Just your tits?" My boys would never recognise my tits | |||
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"Another problem is that I can't accomodate or travel at the moment. But my male FB is willing to let me use his pad." Wow that's another idea for getting a mmf. Just need to find a man with a pad now | |||
"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all. Ahhh that's easy to answer , they prefer to look for them because it is so much easier that way
I've little doubt its no fun to dig through a heaving mailbox full of
'hi'
'fancy a fuck'
'hard cock here'
but at the same time, its unfair to isolate and alienate the guys who are willing to make an effort.
But their idea of an effort may not be the same as the guys so def easier to find for themselves.
But still unfair on the guys, who may well fill the ladies criteria (and I mean objectively from the womans standpoint), yet are unable to message her.
Nope not unfair at all, she is using the site the way it works best for her. She will find what she wants when she wants.
But the guys can't - hence the term 'unfair'.
I'm sorry but suggesting that people do not have the right to filter messages as they chose because it is unfair shows a sense of entitlement that is bordering on being scary!"
If a woman is seriously interested in someone and they've blocked incoming messages from guys - they'll get in touch. Simples!
Sitting around grumbling that's 'life's not fair as a single guy' is both pointless and disrespectful! Everyone is entitled to receive messages from who they choose - not based on the would be sender's preferences and wants! If people realised this, accepted it and concentrated on things they can do, rather than those things that are beyond them - then their lives would be so much simpler, happier and easier!
Right - back to being mellow and watching the lovely ladies of Bristol stroll by! | |||
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"sorry op , it might also be useful having pics of the male half up also though in glasgow there is a party club house, maybe check that out- maybe ur needing a bit more exposure as a cpl to get the attention ur after some dont really like the hidden verification, its not really great for installing a pre-trusting element" FYI We haven't hidden our verifications, the site done that because the people we met are no longer members and I don't know how to get them back on for _iewing (advise on that would be appreciated) As for male pictures on profile, thanks I will give that a try. | |||
"Straight women who like playing with other womens partners would be seeking couples but not interested in playing with the female half! A lot of couples don't bother looking to see if the single fem that they've contacted, is even interested in sex with fems! " 
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"I am a single girl, and properly single. As in I will not be bringing a partner/friend/fb along to a meet with me. I don't get the whole thing of taking someone with you along on a first meet for safety reasons. I will only ever meet someone for the first time in a public place for a drink or coffee first. Besides, I don't see it as any different to maybe meeting a guy on a night out and then going on a date. Do some people think that just because a guy is on a swingers site he must be some raving lunatic? I've had more experience of that in the vanilla world. Why would a girl feel more secure meeting a couple than a single guy? (I have heard that one as well). I mean if something awful was going to happen it's two against one anyway which is worse than one against one! And as for blocking single guys even if a girl is looking for single guys - some girls prefer to do the looking and messaging themselves rather than being bombarded with useless one-liners. And some, like me, turn their filters on and off. I have my filters on when I don't want to receive messages and off when I do. Just makes it easier if I'm busy with other things and don't have time to filter through and reply. I do state this in my profile though but yet I still get questioned as to why I block single guys! And there are plenty of single girls out there more than willing to meet. The thing is that we just happen to be in the minority on here which means we have more choice. It's just the way it is and I really wish people would get that. Plus, I need to be attracted to both parties (physically and mentally) in a couple before I would consider meeting with them - and that is actually harder than it sounds! And the dynamic needs to ne right, which can be difficult for a single coming into a couple." this | |||
"Personally I don't dare reply to my messages without a chaperone "I thought every single fem got that instruction when they joined | |||
"Sorry but I'm having a rant and would like to hear other people's _iews! I'm the female half of a couple and I'm looking for a woman to join us. Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. And the biggest complaint is they have a single profile and then say they are a couple and will not play alone...... Honestly WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT How the hell are you supposed to meet women on here? " We have set up a single fem profile also as we've been told from a few people that most genuine single fems will rather meet that way, we have it set up on profile that we are a couple looking for a single fem to join us, and even had couples on wanting us both, I think it's a case of win some lose some, but I personally think most of the profiles will be single males being fakes because they struggling for meets on there own profile!!! | |||
"Personally I don't dare reply to my messages without a chaperone "Got to watch out for those winks and friend invites too! | |||
"Personally I don't dare reply to my messages without a chaperone
Got to watch out for those winks and friend invites too! "Oh god now you're freaking me out! | |||
" We have set up a single fem profile also as we've been told from a few people that most genuine single fems will rather meet that way, we have it set up on profile that we are a couple looking for a single fem to join us" But that isn't a single female profile? And is against site rules... | |||
"I am a single girl, and properly single. As in I will not be bringing a partner/friend/fb along to a meet with me. I don't get the whole thing of taking someone with you along on a first meet for safety reasons. I will only ever meet someone for the first time in a public place for a drink or coffee first. Besides, I don't see it as any different to maybe meeting a guy on a night out and then going on a date. Do some people think that just because a guy is on a swingers site he must be some raving lunatic? I've had more experience of that in the vanilla world. Why would a girl feel more secure meeting a couple than a single guy? (I have heard that one as well). I mean if something awful was going to happen it's two against one anyway which is worse than one against one! And as for blocking single guys even if a girl is looking for single guys - some girls prefer to do the looking and messaging themselves rather than being bombarded with useless one-liners. And some, like me, turn their filters on and off. I have my filters on when I don't want to receive messages and off when I do. Just makes it easier if I'm busy with other things and don't have time to filter through and reply. I do state this in my profile though but yet I still get questioned as to why I block single guys! And there are plenty of single girls out there more than willing to meet. The thing is that we just happen to be in the minority on here which means we have more choice. It's just the way it is and I really wish people would get that. Plus, I need to be attracted to both parties (physically and mentally) in a couple before I would consider meeting with them - and that is actually harder than it sounds! And the dynamic needs to ne right, which can be difficult for a single coming into a couple. this" this too. | |||
"What is it with the women on here? some provide me with the very best entertainment I could ever ask for on occasion laughing with them on many occasions however, laughing.........." I wonder if some women love the many messages because it's a confidence boost. Telling guys "no" is a thrill.
I don't have any filters, I just keep my profile a pile of shit so people don't bother me. Weirdly I'm doing really well though. | |||
"Sorry but I'm having a rant and would like to hear other people's _iews! I'm the female half of a couple and I'm looking for a woman to join us. Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. And the biggest complaint is they have a single profile and then say they are a couple and will not play alone...... Honestly WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT How the hell are you supposed to meet women on here? We have set up a single fem profile also as we've been told from a few people that most genuine single fems will rather meet that way, we have it set up on profile that we are a couple looking for a single fem to join us, and even had couples on wanting us both, I think it's a case of win some lose some, but I personally think most of the profiles will be single males being fakes because they struggling for meets on there own profile!!!" If a single female profile says it is actually a couple I report it. It's not a single female! | |||
" We have set up a single fem profile also as we've been told from a few people that most genuine single fems will rather meet that way, we have it set up on profile that we are a couple looking for a single fem to join us But that isn't a single female profile? And is against site rules..." And I bet there is thousands of people on here who has done same thing, we've not deceived anyone on ours as it states on ours that the fem will play alone with a fem only, not with a couple, but we'd also like a fem to join us both!! | |||
"Sorry but I'm having a rant and would like to hear other people's _iews! I'm the female half of a couple and I'm looking for a woman to join us. Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. And the biggest complaint is they have a single profile and then say they are a couple and will not play alone...... Honestly WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT How the hell are you supposed to meet women on here? We have set up a single fem profile also as we've been told from a few people that most genuine single fems will rather meet that way, we have it set up on profile that we are a couple looking for a single fem to join us, and even had couples on wanting us both, I think it's a case of win some lose some, but I personally think most of the profiles will be single males being fakes because they struggling for meets on there own profile!!!" Well that's deceitful! And as said against site rules.... Why have a single fem profile if your a couple! ?? | |||
" We have set up a single fem profile also as we've been told from a few people that most genuine single fems will rather meet that way, we have it set up on profile that we are a couple looking for a single fem to join us But that isn't a single female profile? And is against site rules..." I most definitely do not prefer to meet that way at all. And quite frankly, I won't pay any attention to a single girl's profile if it says they are part of a couple and will only meet with their husband/partner. If I want to meet a couple I will interact with the COUPLE. And if you are a couple who will only meet as a couple then you should ONLY have a couple's profile. Otherwise it's just misleading and deceptive. I am not referring to the people who are part of a couple who have a singles profile strictly for forums (and not meeting) or fb who have teamed up to form a couple but still meet as a single as well. People like this clearly state that on their profile anyway. | |||
"maybe sometimes they want their male FB there for the first time to feel secure?
With respect, I don't buy this argument. Particularly if the meet is at my place.
Why should I have a random bloke in my house if I don't wish to? What about *my* security?
If the single female doesn't feel comfortable coming round, then she is perfectly entitled to stay at home and let me find someone who is. "Ah but as a single guy your safety and desires/wants are irrelevant, didn't you realised that!! On a serious note I completely agree with you. If someone messages me to meet me then that means they want to meet me...not me and my FB. Yes we play together, but that's on our profile not on mine. And I don't understand why bringing someone along improves safety as to me it would put people on their guard...if you don't feel safe out in the big bad world without a chaperone then maybe meeting strangers for sex isn't for you? OP...there are some genuine single women who do meet couples. Unfortunately it can just take a bit of time and patience to find them, but surely it's worth the effort to find the right ones? Oh and I report profiles that are for singles that only meet with someone, or couples profiles with only details of one person or that say something along the lines of no longer a couple too x | |||
"I am a single girl, and properly single. As in I will not be bringing a partner/friend/fb along to a meet with me. I don't get the whole thing of taking someone with you along on a first meet for safety reasons. I will only ever meet someone for the first time in a public place for a drink or coffee first. Besides, I don't see it as any different to maybe meeting a guy on a night out and then going on a date. Do some people think that just because a guy is on a swingers site he must be some raving lunatic? I've had more experience of that in the vanilla world. Why would a girl feel more secure meeting a couple than a single guy? (I have heard that one as well). I mean if something awful was going to happen it's two against one anyway which is worse than one against one! And as for blocking single guys even if a girl is looking for single guys - some girls prefer to do the looking and messaging themselves rather than being bombarded with useless one-liners. And some, like me, turn their filters on and off. I have my filters on when I don't want to receive messages and off when I do. Just makes it easier if I'm busy with other things and don't have time to filter through and reply. I do state this in my profile though but yet I still get questioned as to why I block single guys! And there are plenty of single girls out there more than willing to meet. The thing is that we just happen to be in the minority on here which means we have more choice. It's just the way it is and I really wish people would get that. Plus, I need to be attracted to both parties (physically and mentally) in a couple before I would consider meeting with them - and that is actually harder than it sounds! And the dynamic needs to ne right, which can be difficult for a single coming into a couple. this"
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" We have set up a single fem profile also as we've been told from a few people that most genuine single fems will rather meet that way, we have it set up on profile that we are a couple looking for a single fem to join us But that isn't a single female profile? And is against site rules... And I bet there is thousands of people on here who has done same thing, we've not deceived anyone on ours as it states on ours that the fem will play alone with a fem only, not with a couple, but we'd also like a fem to join us both!!" thousands. Not a chance. And you are part of the problem that is being discussed here, single female profiles that aren;t single females. And how is this not deceiving anyone: "we have it set up on profile that we are a couple looking for a single fem to join us, " | |||
"Sorry but I'm having a rant and would like to hear other people's _iews! I'm the female half of a couple and I'm looking for a woman to join us. Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. And the biggest complaint is they have a single profile and then say they are a couple and will not play alone...... Honestly WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT How the hell are you supposed to meet women on here? We have set up a single fem profile also as we've been told from a few people that most genuine single fems will rather meet that way, we have it set up on profile that we are a couple looking for a single fem to join us, and even had couples on wanting us both, I think it's a case of win some lose some, but I personally think most of the profiles will be single males being fakes because they struggling for meets on there own profile!!! Well that's deceitful! And as said against site rules.... Why have a single fem profile if your a couple! ?? "Because fem will play alone with a single fem only, not to join another couple for there own ffm personal gratification, but as we are also finding a single fem to join us for our ffm, we were advised from several couples who have done the same thing, it would be easier, so if fem is playing alone with a sine fem only, but states that we would like a single fem to possibly join us both, how can that be deceitful?? | |||
" We have set up a single fem profile also as we've been told from a few people that most genuine single fems will rather meet that way, we have it set up on profile that we are a couple looking for a single fem to join us But that isn't a single female profile? And is against site rules... And I bet there is thousands of people on here who has done same thing, we've not deceived anyone on ours as it states on ours that the fem will play alone with a fem only, not with a couple, but we'd also like a fem to join us both!!" If your fem profile just says the fem is looking for fem on fem only then thumbs up from me. There are no rules to say that one half of couples can't play on their own. | |||
"so if fem is playing alone with a sine fem only, but states that we would like a single fem to possibly join us both, how can that be deceitful??" If you use your couples profile it isn't, but if you use the single female profile, it is. A single woman looking for FF fun will be taken in by your single fem profile, message the female, get something arranged, then get a message asking if the bloke can join in. Sounds like a way round filters to me. | |||
" We have set up a single fem profile also as we've been told from a few people that most genuine single fems will rather meet that way, we have it set up on profile that we are a couple looking for a single fem to join us But that isn't a single female profile? And is against site rules... And I bet there is thousands of people on here who has done same thing, we've not deceived anyone on ours as it states on ours that the fem will play alone with a fem only, not with a couple, but we'd also like a fem to join us both!! If your fem profile just says the fem is looking for fem on fem only then thumbs up from me. There are no rules to say that one half of couples can't play on their own."This is true, how many single fems though would be happy to play/meet a male on his own from a couple?? They don't, so there are a number of profiles from males saying, don't tell the wife, yes I'm in a relationship, so need to be discreet, whether my posts are causing offence because we haven't deceived anyone, think of the opposite side and all the male profiles that deceive just as much as single fem profiles, unfortunately, and we've only been on fab a short while, it's a vicious cycle of right and wrong from couples and both singles | |||
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" We have set up a single fem profile also as we've been told from a few people that most genuine single fems will rather meet that way, we have it set up on profile that we are a couple looking for a single fem to join us But that isn't a single female profile? And is against site rules... And I bet there is thousands of people on here who has done same thing, we've not deceived anyone on ours as it states on ours that the fem will play alone with a fem only, not with a couple, but we'd also like a fem to join us both!! If your fem profile just says the fem is looking for fem on fem only then thumbs up from me. There are no rules to say that one half of couples can't play on their own.
This is true, how many single fems though would be happy to play/meet a male on his own from a couple?? They don't, so there are a number of profiles from males saying, don't tell the wife, yes I'm in a relationship, so need to be discreet, whether my posts are causing offence because we haven't deceived anyone, think of the opposite side and all the male profiles that deceive just as much as single fem profiles, unfortunately, and we've only been on fab a short while, it's a vicious cycle of right and wrong from couples and both singles"Sorry, but I really fail to see how a single male that is cheating and has a single males profile is in anyway comparable to a couple using a single female profile to seek out meets as a couple? If I message a single female i expect the recipient to be a single female in much the same way that if I message a couple i don;t expect it to transpire that it is a single man pretending to be a couple in order to by-pass preferences and initiate contact. You are not looking for single men, if you get in to conversation with a couple, and later discovered that it was just a single guy would you not feel a little cheated or deceived? | |||
" This is true, how many single fems though would be happy to play/meet a male on his own from a couple?? They don't, so there are a number of profiles from males saying, don't tell the wife, yes I'm in a relationship, so need to be discreet, whether my posts are causing offence because we haven't deceived anyone, think of the opposite side and all the male profiles that deceive just as much as single fem profiles, unfortunately, and we've only been on fab a short while, it's a vicious cycle of right and wrong from couples and both singles" I'm a single female and I meet the male half from couples! It works for me and there is no deceit | |||
"Oh dear, I'm so sorry that the single bi females are not doing what people want them to do, because of course they only exist to please the couples and single men.... "
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" We have set up a single fem profile also as we've been told from a few people that most genuine single fems will rather meet that way, we have it set up on profile that we are a couple looking for a single fem to join us But that isn't a single female profile? And is against site rules... And I bet there is thousands of people on here who has done same thing, we've not deceived anyone on ours as it states on ours that the fem will play alone with a fem only, not with a couple, but we'd also like a fem to join us both!! If your fem profile just says the fem is looking for fem on fem only then thumbs up from me. There are no rules to say that one half of couples can't play on their own.
This is true, how many single fems though would be happy to play/meet a male on his own from a couple?? They don't, so there are a number of profiles from males saying, don't tell the wife, yes I'm in a relationship, so need to be discreet, whether my posts are causing offence because we haven't deceived anyone, think of the opposite side and all the male profiles that deceive just as much as single fem profiles, unfortunately, and we've only been on fab a short while, it's a vicious cycle of right and wrong from couples and both singles
Sorry, but I really fail to see how a single male that is cheating and has a single males profile is in anyway comparable to a couple using a single female profile to seek out meets as a couple?
If I message a single female i expect the recipient to be a single female in much the same way that if I message a couple i don;t expect it to transpire that it is a single man pretending to be a couple in order to by-pass preferences and initiate contact.
You are not looking for single men, if you get in to conversation with a couple, and later discovered that it was just a single guy would you not feel a little cheated or deceived?"Yes I agree that expect the recipient to be who I expect it to be, but there is far too many fakers on this site, and yes we've spotted them too, but we wouldn't involve in a conversation for a possible meet with a single guy if he tells us he is in a relationship, and needs to be very discreet cos his wife doesn't know, or approve, would you meet this type of guy?? As I keep saying, our single profile was set up on advice from others, who had done the same thing, plus, as I failed to note, we were planning a group meet and failed to get any interest from our couples page, we ended up with 3-5 single fem interest from the single profile, but unfortunately our meet isn't going ahead as the interest faltered, again, it's a vicious cycle, and as we can see/tell, we ain't gonna please anyone or everyone, everyone has their own _iews on life, and we, like some friends we've made who also have single profiles as well, are gonna upset people because we are deceiving, yet we put in the single profile to visit our couples page if you want a couple, it's all a vicious cycle unfortunately | |||
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"Oh dear, I'm so sorry that the single bi females are not doing what people want them to do, because of course they only exist to please the couples and single men.... " | |||
"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all." Tell me about it. That seems to be very common these days. It's not even funny. | |||
"I don't meet couples simple as...... "my wife wants to lick ur fanny...I told her ur mine tho | |||
"Perseverance
By the way, I know there are people who think it's petty, but when I see a 'single' profile that states they only play with their partner, I report it. As you say, its hard enough finding a meet without people having the wrong profile type."Totally agree. And these are the same people who then complain about attracting the wrong people? | |||
"Sorry but I'm having a rant and would like to hear other people's _iews! I'm the female half of a couple and I'm looking for a woman to join us. Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. And the biggest complaint is they have a single profile and then say they are a couple and will not play alone...... Honestly WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT How the hell are you supposed to meet women on here? " I see posts like this and I think, where are all the couples wanting a bi fem to come and play. And by play I mean take some time with the lady, give a bit, get a bit, then share the guy. | |||
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"jesus! after reading a cross section of the posts in this thread, no wonder single women are in hiding from couples. even i was getting scared for them. like a pack of bleeding wolves some people." I was thinking that earlier. It's really opened my eyes about the opinion some people have on here about us. | |||
"jesus! after reading a cross section of the posts in this thread, no wonder single women are in hiding from couples. even i was getting scared for them. like a pack of bleeding wolves some people." I kinda agree..... It's understandable why single Fems won't/ don't meet coupled | |||
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"I am very interested to see how many couples that want an mff would be ok with just the females playing. I bet there's a lot of couples where the guy is the one pushing it and wouldn't be happy with his other half playing and him not. I have asked the question on another thread. It is a genuine question and something I want to try, I haven't just posted it for a reaction. However I doubt it will happen. " Luke doesn't and has never pushed me to play with another fem, neither of us would push each other to do something just to please the other! As we are a couple we only play as a couple, so playing individually is not an option, The single Fems we have played with have been very comfortable in our company and we have had repeat meets with 2 of the single Fems.... So we can't be that scary | |||
"I am very interested to see how many couples that want an mff would be ok with just the females playing. I bet there's a lot of couples where the guy is the one pushing it and wouldn't be happy with his other half playing and him not. I have asked the question on another thread. It is a genuine question and something I want to try, I haven't just posted it for a reaction. However I doubt it will happen. Luke doesn't and has never pushed me to play with another fem, neither of us would push each other to do something just to please the other! As we are a couple we only play as a couple, so playing individually is not an option, The single Fems we have played with have been very comfortable in our company and we have had repeat meets with 2 of the single Fems.... So we can't be that scary " Lucy you aren't scary. it's your spanking hand that's scary! | |||
"I am very interested to see how many couples that want an mff would be ok with just the females playing. I bet there's a lot of couples where the guy is the one pushing it and wouldn't be happy with his other half playing and him not. I have asked the question on another thread. It is a genuine question and something I want to try, I haven't just posted it for a reaction. However I doubt it will happen. Luke doesn't and has never pushed me to play with another fem, neither of us would push each other to do something just to please the other! As we are a couple we only play as a couple, so playing individually is not an option, The single Fems we have played with have been very comfortable in our company and we have had repeat meets with 2 of the single Fems.... So we can't be that scary " I'm scared of your right hand!  | |||
"I am very interested to see how many couples that want an mff would be ok with just the females playing. I bet there's a lot of couples where the guy is the one pushing it and wouldn't be happy with his other half playing and him not. I have asked the question on another thread. It is a genuine question and something I want to try, I haven't just posted it for a reaction. However I doubt it will happen. " they all go benny hill | |||
"I am very interested to see how many couples that want an mff would be ok with just the females playing. I bet there's a lot of couples where the guy is the one pushing it and wouldn't be happy with his other half playing and him not. I have asked the question on another thread. It is a genuine question and something I want to try, I haven't just posted it for a reaction. However I doubt it will happen. " Have played on many occasions, where my partner has taken a back seat, so to speak, he has no qualms about this. Having said that its me (fem) who actively seeks fems, and not him... Me who is always here, and myself who set up this profile, it's mine and the, ladies involved choice whether to include him or not. Exception to the rule? Maybe maybe not? | |||
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"I am very interested to see how many couples that want an mff would be ok with just the females playing. I bet there's a lot of couples where the guy is the one pushing it and wouldn't be happy with his other half playing and him not. I have asked the question on another thread. It is a genuine question and something I want to try, I haven't just posted it for a reaction. However I doubt it will happen. Luke doesn't and has never pushed me to play with another fem, neither of us would push each other to do something just to please the other! As we are a couple we only play as a couple, so playing individually is not an option, The single Fems we have played with have been very comfortable in our company and we have had repeat meets with 2 of the single Fems.... So we can't be that scary I'm scared of your right hand! "Meh...she's a pussy cat really! | |||
"I am very interested to see how many couples that want an mff would be ok with just the females playing. I bet there's a lot of couples where the guy is the one pushing it and wouldn't be happy with his other half playing and him not. I have asked the question on another thread. It is a genuine question and something I want to try, I haven't just posted it for a reaction. However I doubt it will happen. " and as i replied in your other thread yeah, we could do that as im quite easy about the whole thing. it aint about me, its about V exploring. our play is about us enjoying seeing each other doing things, so if it were that i was able to see V playing with another woman than im fine with that. would be even better if i were able to take pics while watching, then we could all sit and _iew them afterwards and delete the ones that the girls dont like (yes, thats what i have to do every time we have a photo session lol) | |||
"I am very interested to see how many couples that want an mff would be ok with just the females playing. I bet there's a lot of couples where the guy is the one pushing it and wouldn't be happy with his other half playing and him not. I have asked the question on another thread. It is a genuine question and something I want to try, I haven't just posted it for a reaction. However I doubt it will happen. and as i replied in your other thread yeah, we could do that as im quite easy about the whole thing. it aint about me, its about V exploring. our play is about us enjoying seeing each other doing things, so if it were that i was able to see V playing with another woman than im fine with that. would be even better if i were able to take pics while watching, then we could all sit and _iew them afterwards and delete the ones that the girls dont like (yes, thats what i have to do every time we have a photo session lol)" Well you have to get the right angle... I take loads of pics and usually delete all but one. | |||
"I am very interested to see how many couples that want an mff would be ok with just the females playing. I bet there's a lot of couples where the guy is the one pushing it and wouldn't be happy with his other half playing and him not. I have asked the question on another thread. It is a genuine question and something I want to try, I haven't just posted it for a reaction. However I doubt it will happen. and as i replied in your other thread yeah, we could do that as im quite easy about the whole thing. it aint about me, its about V exploring. our play is about us enjoying seeing each other doing things, so if it were that i was able to see V playing with another woman than im fine with that. would be even better if i were able to take pics while watching, then we could all sit and _iew them afterwards and delete the ones that the girls dont like (yes, thats what i have to do every time we have a photo session lol) Well you have to get the right angle... I take loads of pics and usually delete all but one. "yep, see, we would all get on well lol. V is a lovely woman, we a good relationship, open mindes, and i have the patience of a saint lol | |||
"I am very interested to see how many couples that want an mff would be ok with just the females playing. I bet there's a lot of couples where the guy is the one pushing it and wouldn't be happy with his other half playing and him not. I have asked the question on another thread. It is a genuine question and something I want to try, I haven't just posted it for a reaction. However I doubt it will happen. Luke doesn't and has never pushed me to play with another fem, neither of us would push each other to do something just to please the other! As we are a couple we only play as a couple, so playing individually is not an option, The single Fems we have played with have been very comfortable in our company and we have had repeat meets with 2 of the single Fems.... So we can't be that scary " I'm scared of everyone (as you know!) but I thought you were lovely.
Fair point about couples that want to play together. I was just referring to the couples that claim the guy would be "just watching" while the ladies had fun. I don't think many guys would be ok with it. I think the count is 2 so far. | |||
I find it quite difficult to meet couples because I'm mostly straight. And a female cuck in a couple is challenging to find...that said I'll persevere! and we'll all cum together! | |||
"I have been speaking to a lovely couple and I'm quite hoping they take a chance on me! I find it quite difficult to meet couples because I'm mostly straight. And a female cuck in a couple is challenging to find...that said I'll persevere! and we'll all cum together! "thats something we have also been looking at lol we are very complicated people lol | |||
"Trouble is over half the women on here have ticked the box to meet couples but when you read the profile they only want single guys. That's nothing - try being a single male and coming across a womans profile who states that she is looking for single guys but has blocked them all. Ahhh that's easy to answer , they prefer to look for them because it is so much easier that way
I've little doubt its no fun to dig through a heaving mailbox full of
'hi'
'fancy a fuck'
'hard cock here'
but at the same time, its unfair to isolate and alienate the guys who are willing to make an effort.
But their idea of an effort may not be the same as the guys so def easier to find for themselves.
But still unfair on the guys, who may well fill the ladies criteria (and I mean objectively from the womans standpoint), yet are unable to message her."Then drop them a wink, they can check profile, if they like look of it they will contact you | |||
If I did meet with couples, well I wouldn't any more
Ps I'm real and if I read a single females profile and it said also looking for a ffm on our couples profile; I'd block and chunter about time wasters
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"I have been speaking to a lovely couple and I'm quite hoping they take a chance on me! I find it quite difficult to meet couples because I'm mostly straight. And a female cuck in a couple is challenging to find...that said I'll persevere! and we'll all cum together!
thats something we have also been looking at lol
we are very complicated people lol"ah..isn't it lovely though! a lil complication of tastes | |||
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I do report 'single' accounts that state will only play with a partner present.
But I do accept people have different expectations/desires/needs from here | |||
"The joys of this place, you never ever know which way a thread will go
I do report 'single' accounts that state will only play with a partner present.
But I do accept people have different expectations/desires/needs from here "Thanks for being honest | |||
"maybe sometimes they want their male FB there for the first time to feel secure?
How ridiculous! I'm a single woman capable of meeting without having my hand held! "Ditto | |||
