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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

not glenn, but the leader of the opposition.

wht is you opinion of him?

just seen him on the news denying the story about his dad being a marxist, or some other shite.

no idea if the story has foundation, or not (although the truth will be seen if he takes them to court or not)

but his denial of it just came across, to me, as he is a snivveling weasel of a man.

i really dont like him.

he scares me

he reminds me a B.liar.

and anyone that can stab his brother in the back to get up the ladder quicker, to me, is not to be trusted.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can any politician be trusted these days?

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

That's what happens when people don't read the whole story.

Miliband Senior WAS a Marxist. Nobody has denied it. My own Grandfather had Marxist leanings.

The accusation being disputed is that he hated Britain. This is a man who served in the Royal Navy during WWII.

Can you imagine the outcry if any other veteran was so accused.

PS, the old guy is dead so can't defend himself or take legal action.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don't Judge someone because of their father's views as they are not the same person.

Judge him on the now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Don't Judge someone because of their father's views as they are not the same person.

Judge him on the now."

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Don't Judge someone because of their father's views as they are not the same person.

Judge him on the now."

ih, please dont take the thread as im judging him by his fathers political views, otherwise i would be a modern day victor meldrew lol.

i was just looking at him, and listening to him, and the smile, the words, the voice, it really is B.liar mk2

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

an article in a 'paper' who actively supported Hitler, Mussolini and Mosley at the same time it refers to..

that's not news..

the lad served this country in WW2..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

not a fan of milliband and in my opinion hes the weakest leader labour has had since michael foot.hes very unconvincing and he looks and talks like a tory .i think if labour had picked anyone else as leader the next election would be in the bag by now but with this guy in charge the unthinkable could happen and we could have another coalition government

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

If only he was more like his dad, he might make a decent politician!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i wouldnt mind having sex with him.

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By *quirrelMan over a year ago

East Manchester

Milliband comes accross as a guppy in tank full of pirranhas. He is more caretaker then leader, just filling in until someone better takes the job off him.

His policies are to make promises which are in tune with a small minority, but if you examine his choice of words and their true meaning they dont really hold out much hope. He uses wordplay to make it seem he is going to make changes but "looking into" is not the same as actually changing it and thats what fills his public speeches.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Don't Judge someone because of their father's views as they are not the same person.

Judge him on the now."

Normally I would agree with that, but in this case it is Milliband himself who introduced his father into fray. Anyone with aspirations to become PM who vows to protect his fathers legacy cannot argue when that legacy is scrutinised.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"That's what happens when people don't read the whole story.

Miliband Senior WAS a Marxist. Nobody has denied it. My own Grandfather had Marxist leanings.

The accusation being disputed is that he hated Britain. This is a man who served in the Royal Navy during WWII.

Can you imagine the outcry if any other veteran was so accused.

PS, the old guy is dead so can't defend himself or take legal action."

So is Jimmy Saville.

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By *igSuki81Man over a year ago

Retirement Village

I wouldn't judge a person by their bloodline but at the same time the upbringing comes into question. I suppose the question is if a child is raised by an adult who has certain views (whatever they may be) would they 'rub off' on the child

As for the question of trusting him NO FRIGGIN WAY!!! He does stink of Blairism

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hello all,

since his speech at the Labour conference where he promised to freeze energy prices, I feel that is cynical in the extreme, as that is simply a bribe to the electorate and hypocritical as when he was energy secretary he implemented the renewable energy subsidies that put our energy costs up by so much.

I know he's a politician but even by their standards that is pretty poor.

Alec

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

I'm reassured by the number of people who feel the need to play the man and not the ball.

Maybe Red Ed has something going for him after all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i am not keen on any members of parliament whether their persuasion be left, right or dead centre.

they are mere puppets or figure heads who are only in it for their own financial gain and to massage their own egos

the mechanism of government functions on a daily basis without their involvement.

if we really want what is best for this country then perhaps we should pick the government of the day from all the elected MPS and not just the biggest party of that time.

then we could have people in charge of departments of government who were specialists in that field and not some oxbridge graduate who won at the debating society (and that's from all parties).

the question is why do we need 650 MPS (that's 1 for every 92,000 people) each earning a basic salary of seeing£65,738 plus allowances.

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following :

10 for Birmingham

3 for wolverhampton

2 for west bromwich

2 for walsall

2 for dudley

19 x 65,738 = £1,249.022 per year.

pay one person £249,022 per year and save £1 million a year.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've met him. Nice bloke, comes across as very sincere.

But I can't see Labour winning under him. They need to switch, and quickly.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"I've met him. Nice bloke, comes across as very sincere.

But I can't see Labour winning under him. They need to switch, and quickly."

Now I'm even more convinced he's the right man for the job.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"............

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following :

10 for Birmingham

3 for wolverhampton

2 for west bromwich

2 for walsall

2 for dudley

19 x 65,738 = £1,249.022 per year.

pay one person £249,022 per year and save £1 million a year.

How does reducing the number of MPs increase your chance of seeing one?

This was the bampot thinking behind creating constituency MSPs and list MSPs for the Scottish Parliament.

What happens in practice is that people email all 5 or 6 MSPs for their area and set all of them off chasing the info and possible publicity.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"............

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following :

10 for Birmingham

3 for wolverhampton

2 for west bromwich

2 for walsall

2 for dudley

19 x 65,738 = £1,249.022 per year.

pay one person £249,022 per year and save £1 million a year.

How does reducing the number of MPs increase your chance of seeing one?

This was the bampot thinking behind creating constituency MSPs and list MSPs for the Scottish Parliament.

What happens in practice is that people email all 5 or 6 MSPs for their area and set all of them off chasing the info and possible publicity."

dont think he said anything about it increasing his chances of meeting one, but for the cost of NOT being able to already, it would make sense for it to cost less

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

I can only repeat what he said "what chance have i got of seeing my MP".

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I can only repeat what he said "what chance have i got of seeing my MP".

the full quote being

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following

it really is simple to see

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i wouldnt mind having sex with him."

Yeah ME tooo - boy that guy is cute

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I can only repeat what he said "what chance have i got of seeing my MP".

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"I can only repeat what he said "what chance have i got of seeing my MP".

the full quote being

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following

it really is simple to see"

That just makes it worse.

Instead of the however many there are now, lets just have one ' 'cos that'll increase my chances of seeing my MP'.

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By *wingerdelightCouple over a year ago

eastliegh

"............

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following :

10 for Birmingham

3 for wolverhampton

2 for west bromwich

2 for walsall

2 for dudley

19 x 65,738 = £1,249.022 per year.

pay one person £249,022 per year and save £1 million a year.

How does reducing the number of MPs increase your chance of seeing one?

This was the bampot thinking behind creating constituency MSPs and list MSPs for the Scottish Parliament.

What happens in practice is that people email all 5 or 6 MSPs for their area and set all of them off chasing the info and possible publicity."

Why would you need to see your Mp in 43 years I've never felt the need!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I can only repeat what he said "what chance have i got of seeing my MP".

the full quote being

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following

it really is simple to see

That just makes it worse.

Instead of the however many there are now, lets just have one ' 'cos that'll increase my chances of seeing my MP'. "

how are you reading that?

where does it say it would increase his chances??

what he is saying is it costs 1 1/4 million a year for him not to be able to see an mp, so if he isnt going to be able to see one, why not cut them down so it 'only' costs 1/4 of a million not to.

jesus!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I can only repeat what he said "what chance have i got of seeing my MP".

sorry it was a rant therefore some of it got lost in the translation i do not see why walsall dudley or west bromwich would require 2 MPS each and wolverhampton requiring 3 with Birmingham needing 10 it seems a total waste of money.

its impossible to see them now so what difference would it make if we increased their areas of responsibility

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"............

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following :

10 for Birmingham

3 for wolverhampton

2 for west bromwich

2 for walsall

2 for dudley

19 x 65,738 = £1,249.022 per year.

pay one person £249,022 per year and save £1 million a year.

How does reducing the number of MPs increase your chance of seeing one?

This was the bampot thinking behind creating constituency MSPs and list MSPs for the Scottish Parliament.

What happens in practice is that people email all 5 or 6 MSPs for their area and set all of them off chasing the info and possible publicity.

Why would you need to see your Mp in 43 years I've never felt the need!"

that's my point so give them a larger area of responsibility and cut the costs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've met him. Nice bloke, comes across as very sincere.

But I can't see Labour winning under him. They need to switch, and quickly.

Now I'm even more convinced he's the right man for the job."

Never had you down as a Tory.

I hope I'm wrong because I think they're too scared to change leaders. But I suspect not.

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By *wingerdelightCouple over a year ago

eastliegh

"............

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following :

10 for Birmingham

3 for wolverhampton

2 for west bromwich

2 for walsall

2 for dudley

19 x 65,738 = £1,249.022 per year.

pay one person £249,022 per year and save £1 million a year.

How does reducing the number of MPs increase your chance of seeing one?

This was the bampot thinking behind creating constituency MSPs and list MSPs for the Scottish Parliament.

What happens in practice is that people email all 5 or 6 MSPs for their area and set all of them off chasing the info and possible publicity.

Why would you need to see your Mp in 43 years I've never felt the need!

that's my point so give them a larger area of responsibility and cut the costs."

And if you did get to see one he/she would tell you what you want to hear and then do nothing about your problem. I'm not sure why we need them

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

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And if you did get to see one he/she would tell you what you want to hear and then do nothing about your problem. I'm not sure why we need them "

That may well have been what Miliband Senior thought about democracy was practised in the UK.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

as, not was.

Sorry

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's what happens when people don't read the whole story.

Miliband Senior WAS a Marxist. Nobody has denied it. My own Grandfather had Marxist leanings.

The accusation being disputed is that he hated Britain. This is a man who served in the Royal Navy during WWII.

Can you imagine the outcry if any other veteran was so accused.

PS, the old guy is dead so can't defend himself or take legal action."

THIS??

Stems from a piece written in that bag of utter monkey wank, the dailycunt.

He was allowed to write a reply to their accusation. How very nice of them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let's just be honest...

It should have been his brother leading the party.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"..............

And if you did get to see one he/she would tell you what you want to hear and then do nothing about your problem. I'm not sure why we need them

That may well have been what Miliband Senior thought about democracy was practised in the UK."

we need them just not so many in my opinion i know there are moves to cut the number down to 600 however this is to many.

in business you assess and cut expenditure when times are hard well this parliament is a business which as presided over massive cuts to pensions wages etc in the public sector however they are public sector workers who have resisted cuts to their numbers and benefits.

i say let them lead by example as we are all in this together

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

Any sign of the Tories condemning the article?

No, I thought not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whether his father was a Marxist or had Marxist sympathies I'm not aware that this has ever been illegal in Britain.

My father was a blood red bigoted racist n sexist to boot

By contrast I'm totally against racism, sexism an most likely any other ism u care to mention so I can't see how in any way young Ed is to be besmirched by 'whatever' his father was!

One may grow up in a certain environment but it doesn't mean the mantle is necessarily picked up by the next generation

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By *tirling DarkCouple over a year ago

Stirling

"That's what happens when people don't read the whole story.

Miliband Senior WAS a Marxist. Nobody has denied it. My own Grandfather had Marxist leanings.

The accusation being disputed is that he hated Britain. This is a man who served in the Royal Navy during WWII.

Can you imagine the outcry if any other veteran was so accused.

PS, the old guy is dead so can't defend himself or take legal action.

So is Jimmy Saville."

This is one if these "wtf" moments. WTF has a jimmy Saville got to do with a dead Marxist? That really us beyond believe. This man died, he was a lecturer and Marxist, he served in the RN during WW2, he escaped nazi persecution, as his family were Jewish, and you bring in Saville!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's what happens when people don't read the whole story.

Miliband Senior WAS a Marxist. Nobody has denied it. My own Grandfather had Marxist leanings.

The accusation being disputed is that he hated Britain. This is a man who served in the Royal Navy during WWII.

Can you imagine the outcry if any other veteran was so accused.

PS, the old guy is dead so can't defend himself or take legal action.

THIS??

Stems from a piece written in that bag of utter monkey wank, the dailycunt.

He was allowed to write a reply to their accusation. How very nice of them."

the daily cunt

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"..............

PS, the old guy is dead so can't defend himself or take legal action.

So is Jimmy Saville.

It's a common internet tactic when you've nothing of sense or consequence to add.

Throw in a complete red herring and hope nobody notices the stink.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

please, i am NOT questioning Millerband because of his fathers political views, or indeed not so.

just as the man himself, comes across as a very distrustful individual

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

He is a twunt

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"He is a twunt "
in the interests of equality, I think he's fab!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He is a twunt in the interests of equality, I think he's fab!

says the champagne socialist..

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"He is a twunt in the interests of equality, I think he's fab!

says the champagne socialist..

Probably British champagne

OK, I know you can't actually CALL it British champagne but all you Euro-haters should rejoice that it even exists.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Private Eye have been running a cartoon based on Mr Bean with Miliband playing Milibean (including teddy bear). Every episode it shows everyone else in the party plotting to bump him off whilst he is totally oblivious to and clueless about, well, everything.

Cameron stars in Dave Snooty and chums, where some tory messes everything up for him by giving the game away behind his well meaning platitudes. 'Beano Boris' in a Dennis the Menace jersey generally gets the final word.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"i wouldnt mind having sex with him.

Yeah ME tooo - boy that guy is cute

If they win the next election he'll be fucking each and every one of us! Lol

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"He is a twunt in the interests of equality, I think he's fab!

says the champagne socialist..

Probably British champagne

OK, I know you can't actually CALL it British champagne but all you Euro-haters should rejoice that it even

exists."

I have tried some British sparkling wine 'champagnoise' and it was very delicious. Hurrah for Europe! And the French!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well I'm wondering just how Ed plans on introducing socialist policies into the UK.

I mean the treasury is at it's limit as it is and if he followed those ideas then that might make things unmanageable.

And of course there's the private debt most of us have which depreciates the GDP a bit.

So I wonder if he's maybe pulling a fast one for public support.

Also I would cast judgement on him because of his father but I would look for proof that he's got his own ideas a bit more closely.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

From Ed.

"On Saturday and last night the Daily Mail printed stories about my Dad. The headlines called him “The man who hated Britain.”

There was a time when politicians stayed silent if this kind of thing happened, in the hope that it wouldn’t happen again. I will not do that.

This isn’t about me and my family – this is about doing what’s right.

Speak up for decency in British politics, and add your name to mine.

It is perfectly legitimate for the Daily Mail to talk about my father’s politics but when they say that he hated Britain, I was not willing to put up with that.

My father loved Britain. After he arrived in Britain as a refugee from Nazi Germany, he joined the Royal Navy. He did so because he was determined to be part of the fight against the Nazis and to help his family hidden in Belgium. He was fighting for Britain.

Britain was a source of hope and comfort for my dad, not hatred. He loved Britain for the security it offered his family and the gentle decency of our nation.

The simple truth is something has really gone wrong when a newspaper attacks the family of a politician - any politician - in this way.

I won’t stay silent when it happens – that’s why I have written a reply in today’s Mail. I hope you take a moment to read it, and then say you won’t stay silent either. We can be better than this."

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"That's what happens when people don't read the whole story.

Miliband Senior WAS a Marxist. Nobody has denied it. My own Grandfather had Marxist leanings.

The accusation being disputed is that he hated Britain. This is a man who served in the Royal Navy during WWII.

Can you imagine the outcry if any other veteran was so accused.

PS, the old guy is dead so can't defend himself or take legal action."

me and you don't always agree... but well said

in this case the daily mail have been disgrace... attack the man, attack the politics, but don't attack the mans family... especially someone who isn't able to defend themselves...

way too far!!!

the lowest of the low and now the daily mail are beginning to squirm.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

AND THE POINT OF THE LEVERSON ENQUIRY WAS?????????

Utterly despicable behaviour even by the tawdry standards endemic at the mail.

This was the sort of thing Hitler's Germany indulged in!

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By *uke olovingmanMan over a year ago

Gravesend

i dont like the mail .. horrid rag .. the stunt has backfired cos milliband has took the attention from the tory party conference .. as for milliband .. i cant understand one word that bloke says .. who elected him as a leader

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

its the joys of having a so called FREE PRESS

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Personally I think Milliband is a rare breed. He's clearly very clever, moreso than Blair, and whereas he might seem to lack the same social skills, his greatest problem is Cameron acting like such a bratty socialite, blaming Milliband's party for shit the Tories are to blame for now if not Blair and Brown's PAST administration (past as in 'in the past' and no longer accountable for).

He's fucked really, by all odds, which I think is cruel. I believe he's the only credible party leader that can out Cameron's party as the idiots the majority of them are, HOWEVER, I don't believe now is his time, only if he fails now, he will have this stigma for the rest of his political career, which will ruin his chances of reaching his full potential.

Calling his dad a Marxist? REALLY? That's the extent of smearing Milliband's reputation they can come up with? Hoping he'll make a fool of himself? It goes to show how immature the government and many of their followers really are.

And THAT is why I don't vote. Because you can call Milliband a snivelling weasel type, but at the end of the day, the majority of them are and they don't do it for their voters, they do it for their reputations in the eyes of immediate peers.

Cameron claims to be for the people that "just want to get on..."

The fuck does that mean? I don't see anybody getting on. I just see fat old babies in business suits!

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Don't Judge someone because of their father's views as they are not the same person.

Judge him on the now.

ih, please dont take the thread as im judging him by his fathers political views, otherwise i would be a modern day victor meldrew lol.

i was just looking at him, and listening to him, and the smile, the words, the voice, it really is B.liar mk2"

Poor old Egg Miliband, when ever i see him or hear him speak, his voice and mannerisms just reminds me of Wallace from the Wallace and gromit cartoons......"Got any cheese Gromit?"

Really not a man i would vote for.

Lol.

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By *ingleguy1973Man over a year ago

peterborough

"From Ed.

"On Saturday and last night the Daily Mail printed stories about my Dad. The headlines called him “The man who hated Britain.”

There was a time when politicians stayed silent if this kind of thing happened, in the hope that it wouldn’t happen again. I will not do that.

This isn’t about me and my family – this is about doing what’s right.

Speak up for decency in British politics, and add your name to mine.

It is perfectly legitimate for the Daily Mail to talk about my father’s politics but when they say that he hated Britain, I was not willing to put up with that.

Britain was a source of hope and comfort for my dad, not hatred. He loved Britain for the security it offered his family and the gentle decency of our nation.

The simple truth is something has really gone wrong when a newspaper attacks the family of a politician - any politician - in this way.

If you read all that Milliband said not just quote the bits that suit your political leanings... he basically said he believed in the same things as his father.

Which is fair enough, however his father was by his own admission a marxist who joined the Navy to fight Hitler, not out of loyalty to his new found homeland.

His father also said that he wished sometimes that this country would lose the war and therefore the Empire which he saw as a fitting punishment for our colonial past.

I'm not sticking up for Milliband or am I sticking up for the Daily Mail but there are two sides to every arguement.

Personally, I wouldn't trust him anymore than I would trust Cameron. But when it comes to voting, I'd sooner the country is run by politicians than the unions.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

If Ed's dad is fair game in the media, does that mean Cameron's deceased disabled son is fair game too?

No, I thought not.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

Newsnight.

Dacre's arsewipe getting a good verbal kicking.

Rothermere's support for Fascists been raised.