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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I thought it would be the usually Channel 4 thing but it is actually very interesting and shows just how little we know about what we are doing to our children. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's the modern day thing that is being blown out of proportion. A few years ago, it was "all kids who listen to black/death metal or play video games will gun down their class mates". Now it's "all kids who watch porn will become paedophiles and/or rapists"
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I don't think that is the problem but as he mentions there is no really safe porn for the young. It's changed from when we were children finding a jazz mag here and there. Also if it is on tap all day on my phone and I was 16, I know what I would be doing.
I think there are real issues, but I don't believe a draconian attitude will solve anything but open minded parents and an education system that understands would certainly help the majority. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I thought it was quite interesting, having a teenager myself it's made me aware that he could well grow up thinking extreme porn is how everyone is having sex.
added to the 'to do list' ~ have the porn chat with son  |
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By *irtyDee33Woman
over a year ago
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"I thought it was quite interesting, having a teenager myself it's made me aware that he could well grow up thinking extreme porn is how everyone is having sex.
added to the 'to do list' ~ have the porn chat with son "
Same here!!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yeah it's like when kids got exposed to violent video games, horror films and zombie movies.
There was a whole generation that couldn't distinguish fiction from reality... |
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By *andWCouple
over a year ago
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"I thought it was quite interesting, having a teenager myself it's made me aware that he could well grow up thinking extreme porn is how everyone is having sex.
added to the 'to do list' ~ have the porn chat with son "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Yeah it's like when kids got exposed to violent video games, horror films and zombie movies.
There was a whole generation that couldn't distinguish fiction from reality..."
No, it's not really is it! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yeah it's like when kids got exposed to violent video games, horror films and zombie movies.
There was a whole generation that couldn't distinguish fiction from reality...
No, it's not really is it!"
So what's the difference? |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Yeah it's like when kids got exposed to violent video games, horror films and zombie movies.
There was a whole generation that couldn't distinguish fiction from reality...
No, it's not really is it!
So what's the difference?"
They are more likely to come across sex than zombies in their lives. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I am and have always been open with my spawn, we have discussed everything from sex to swearing, drugs to death, marriage to money. It wasn't a tough choice to make as I'd prefer them to hear it from me rather than mis-information, hear say, or self learnt via the internet. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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And more likely to watch porn than horror films or video games?
I found it more interesting how the dark music, close up shots and camera angles along with words like neuro were all combined to instil a new level of hysteria.
Oh and don't girls watch porn? Or maybe it doesn't affect them?
For sure there is an issue that we need education to catch up fast and most likely we're all going to have to be more open about how we discuss sex with children - because even if we don't, they will. But there was no need for this bullshit waste of TV time and I'm only debating it because I'm miffed at having wasted time watching it.
And did anybody really believe that lad who had to stop for a wank wasn't a drama student? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's the modern day thing that is being blown out of proportion. A few years ago, it was "all kids who listen to black/death metal or play video games will gun down their class mates". Now it's "all kids who watch porn will become paedophiles and/or rapists"
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sorry i don't think he was saying that it was more along the lines of the damage it was causing to the individual ie cannot form relationships and the physical damage in terms of erctile dysfunction
in the parts about rapists etc he was showing the over the top response from tabloids and mps.
a good program. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The editorial slant is clear. The flaw is that the emphasis was solely on young men. The programme should have covered what is going on with young women too."
Absolutely.
I think the issue is far more of a cultural one than a neurological one though. We're naturally wired for sex, but in this country culturally inhibited by it.
The effect of porn and general sexualisation along with the impact of technology on general attitudes to sex and relationships would be really interesting to learn about. But this programme was pointless. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"The editorial slant is clear. The flaw is that the emphasis was solely on young men. The programme should have covered what is going on with young women too.
Absolutely.
I think the issue is far more of a cultural one than a neurological one though. We're naturally wired for sex, but in this country culturally inhibited by it.
The effect of porn and general sexualisation along with the impact of technology on general attitudes to sex and relationships would be really interesting to learn about. But this programme was pointless."
I don't think it was pointless. It was television and not of the OU kind. It was a good starting point for many to dip their toes into the issues.
I would have liked to see more exploration of the divorce between understanding emotional responses being replaced with a sexual response. I would have liked more exploration of sexual violence as some of my current work with young people is in this area. These are whole programmes in their own right.
The production team set out their storyline and stuck to that.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Sexual violence was the one thing they seemed clear about. The Guardian has a write up about it...
"For me, the low point of Porn on the Brain comes when discussing the link between porn and sexual violence. Here the show completely abandons the evidence, which supports at most a very weak association between porn and violent sexual attitudes, and doesn't support at all the conclusion that sexual imagery causes aggression or sex offending. Daubney strives valiantly to extract clear answers from Professor Gail Dines, an anti-pornography campaigner, and Dr John Woods, a psychotherapist at the Portman clinic. But when asked directly whether violent porn causes violence toward women, Dines and Woods resort to anecdote and weasel words. At one point, Woods says: "We have a great difficulty in proving the connection between this violent imagery and violent behaviour, but clinically it's clear that there is a connection." Say again?"
Which was my earlier point re. films etc. Kids can recognise the distinction between media fiction and reality - probably better than any generation ever before. This isn't the era of people freaking out that we're being invaded by aliens from mars because of a radio show. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Sexual violence was the one thing they seemed clear about. The Guardian has a write up about it...
"For me, the low point of Porn on the Brain comes when discussing the link between porn and sexual violence. Here the show completely abandons the evidence, which supports at most a very weak association between porn and violent sexual attitudes, and doesn't support at all the conclusion that sexual imagery causes aggression or sex offending. Daubney strives valiantly to extract clear answers from Professor Gail Dines, an anti-pornography campaigner, and Dr John Woods, a psychotherapist at the Portman clinic. But when asked directly whether violent porn causes violence toward women, Dines and Woods resort to anecdote and weasel words. At one point, Woods says: "We have a great difficulty in proving the connection between this violent imagery and violent behaviour, but clinically it's clear that there is a connection." Say again?"
Which was my earlier point re. films etc. Kids can recognise the distinction between media fiction and reality - probably better than any generation ever before. This isn't the era of people freaking out that we're being invaded by aliens from mars because of a radio show."
Again, I think the missing element was the voice of young women and their experience. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am and have always been open with my spawn, we have discussed everything from sex to swearing, drugs to death, marriage to money. It wasn't a tough choice to make as I'd prefer them to hear it from me rather than mis-information, hear say, or self learnt via the internet."
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"Sexual violence was the one thing they seemed clear about. The Guardian has a write up about it...
"For me, the low point of Porn on the Brain comes when discussing the link between porn and sexual violence. Here the show completely abandons the evidence, which supports at most a very weak association between porn and violent sexual attitudes, and doesn't support at all the conclusion that sexual imagery causes aggression or sex offending. Daubney strives valiantly to extract clear answers from Professor Gail Dines, an anti-pornography campaigner, and Dr John Woods, a psychotherapist at the Portman clinic. But when asked directly whether violent porn causes violence toward women, Dines and Woods resort to anecdote and weasel words. At one point, Woods says: "We have a great difficulty in proving the connection between this violent imagery and violent behaviour, but clinically it's clear that there is a connection." Say again?"
Which was my earlier point re. films etc. Kids can recognise the distinction between media fiction and reality - probably better than any generation ever before. This isn't the era of people freaking out that we're being invaded by aliens from mars because of a radio show.
Again, I think the missing element was the voice of young women and their experience."
No the missing element was any resemblance to scientific credibility, merely opinions dressed up as facts..ie when the former editor of Loaded declares brain imaging provides 'proof' of porn addiction. |
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