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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By *wingerdelightCouple over a year ago

eastliegh

Not sure this topic will ever be resolved on here tbh. Both sides of the argument have been well said but buy unbending people so it will just go on and on

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

every thread of similar ilk results in the same standoff...

great passion for their position though

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

After a period on benefits all claimants should be assessed for contribution purposes, this should include claimants for all benefits. Also why are there people out there getting more benefit than UK nationals and never contributed a penny? yet can get far more of a pay out than a contributor of long standing, another reason to get benefits in the UK is that English is spoken.

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

"After a period on benefits all claimants should be assessed for contribution purposes, this should include claimants for all benefits. Also why are there people out there getting more benefit than UK nationals and never contributed a penny? yet can get far more of a pay out than a contributor of long standing, another reason to get benefits in the UK is that English is spoken."
nice to see some others who think there should be a helpful but fair system, but becareful apparently saying things like you have could have people accusing you of racism

But going on from my threads a few weeks ago about this subject, looks like what I thought was a good idea is going to go ahead, not so silly now am i

All o can say is lazy cheating scrounges watch out your says our numbered

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

also think about what the problem is. No jobs?. it seems like there are not enough jobs to get people off the job seekers line so they are making unpaid positions to force people into work. does this really solve the problem?? perhaps employers should stop thinking about what they can do with the money they are making from dodging billions in tax and acctually hire people, this does not include zero hour contract jobs

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By *wingerdelightCouple over a year ago

eastliegh

"also think about what the problem is. No jobs?. it seems like there are not enough jobs to get people off the job seekers line so they are making unpaid positions to force people into work. does this really solve the problem?? perhaps employers should stop thinking about what they can do with the money they are making from dodging billions in tax and acctually hire people, this does not include zero hour contract jobs"
Im self employed so don't see the problem with zero hour contracts. If I can't get work then I don't get payed. Same thing really.

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By *layfullsamMan over a year ago

Solihull

I try hard I send of lots of messages and its not my fault my Willy is unemployed so why make it work to get benefits

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Introducing a minimum wage resulted in many thousands of people being added to the unemployed. Many small firms closed down and down sized, especially in agriculture and farming.

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By *urvywelshCouple over a year ago

Everywhere and nowhere baby

I am currently unemployed. I am supposed to be available for work. How am I supposed to be available for paid work if I'm cleaning streets or wiping graffiti? Can't win. Looking for work is hard enough without having to tear myself away from the internet/job centre to do these things.

I would give my right arm for a job, however low paid. Catch 22 springs to mind.

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By *wingerdelightCouple over a year ago

eastliegh

"I am currently unemployed. I am supposed to be available for work. How am I supposed to be available for paid work if I'm cleaning streets or wiping graffiti? Can't win. Looking for work is hard enough without having to tear myself away from the internet/job centre to do these things.

I would give my right arm for a job, however low paid. Catch 22 springs to mind. "
that's very true. But do you honestly spend 8 hours a day looking. If so then I hope you find something soon. But if not then a few hours out of your day wouldn't hurt.. also your on fab at 5 which many would consider part of the working day!

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By *urvywelshCouple over a year ago

Everywhere and nowhere baby

I would give my right arm for a job, however low paid. Catch 22 springs to mind. that's very true. But do you honestly spend 8 hours a day looking. If so then I hope you find something soon. But if not then a few hours out of your day wouldn't hurt.. also your on fab at 5 which many would consider part of the working day!"

Always looking on net. Get e/mails from various agencies. Job search uk is a daily search. Applied for lots of jobs, most I get no reply from. But still I keep looking. Have to have a break to keep my pecker up. Please don't judge me, it's disheartening enough without that. Applied for 5 jobs today, perhaps if you were in my shoes you'd think differently.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am a bit confused about some of the comments on this and the previous thread....nowhere does it say that they would replace current employees (ie street cleaners) it actually says....

"To still qualify for jobseeker's allowance they will have three options - work placements, such as cleaning up litter; daily visits to a job centre; or taking part in compulsory training, for example, to improve their literacy.

People would have to remain on help-to-work until they found employment - unlike the current scheme which is limited to six months"

So it is not just about sending them all out to take over jobs and not be paid for it. My opinion is that "yes" they may get offered "shitty" jobs as a result of this but...tough! Can anyone really say that their first ever job was brilliant and what they wanted to do with their life?? Or is it more a case of learning to be disciplined enough to get up and work all day and learn skills along the way that then make you more employable at the end of it??

This is targeted to those that have been unemployed for 2-3 years and although there are definitely genuine people who have been unable to get work, it will out the lazy gits who have no intention of getting off their arses and doing anything!!

If they are over 25 they will be getting £71.70 per week JSA and all linked benefits (HB/CTB/Tax Credits) etc which can add up to a "minimum wage" amount anyway of someone working full-time, so why the hell not send them out to pay back something to the society that is funding them!!

Stands back, takes cover and .....runs to the hills!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Britians money problems have feck all to do with the unemployed.. Are people too stupid to see that.. Take back all second houses from all potiticians. Stop politicians from stealing from the public purse.. Stop the stupid fucking spending that councils do..ie..in Glasgow they have commisioned £250000 for fucking statues and new art..wow.. Stop paying over inflated wages to fucking failing bank bosses..stop buying banks out with public money.. Its 2013, slavery has been banned for hundreds of years and some arseholes would happily re-establish it under another name.. I recently just lost my job and to read so many negative right wingest _iews make me sick.. I hope the shit hits the fan for you guys the same way its hit so many other hard working folk who lost their jobs due to a fucking corrupt system..

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By *randmrsminxyCouple over a year ago

Gloucester

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

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By *urvywelshCouple over a year ago

Everywhere and nowhere baby

"Britians money problems have feck all to do with the unemployed.. Are people too stupid to see that.. Take back all second houses from all potiticians. Stop politicians from stealing from the public purse.. Stop the stupid fucking spending that councils do..ie..in Glasgow they have commisioned £250000 for fucking statues and new art..wow.. Stop paying over inflated wages to fucking failing bank bosses..stop buying banks out with public money.. Its 2013, slavery has been banned for hundreds of years and some arseholes would happily re-establish it under another name.. I recently just lost my job and to read so many negative right wingest _iews make me sick.. I hope the shit hits the fan for you guys the same way its hit so many other hard working folk who lost their jobs due to a fucking corrupt system..

Yep. Can't help but agree there. I WANT to work. Not like some lazy bastards out there.

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

"I am a bit confused about some of the comments on this and the previous thread....nowhere does it say that they would replace current employees (ie street cleaners) it actually says....

People would have to remain on help-to-work until they found employment - unlike the current scheme which is limited to six months"

Stands back, takes cover and .....runs to the hills!!

No your right in my _iew, but not many will agree on here.

Me thinks most on fab are closet claimants, and spend all there time sagging and not looking for work

Joking if course

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

Tell you what tho, the amount of people who comment on this and my past threads, they claim to be in destitute, but yet are site supporters, think they call that double standards

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Of course we are...

didnt ya know that everyone here in the forums is a closet claimant,pretending to "workers"

yerrrr right

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Tell you what tho, the amount of people who comment on this and my past threads, they claim to be in destitute, but yet are site supporters, think they call that double standards

Well when its due i either dont eat for a week or go stand on the corner and earn a few bob........

i always make sure i have a bag of change though...

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

"Tell you what tho, the amount of people who comment on this and my past threads, they claim to be in destitute, but yet are site supporters, think they call that double standards

Well when its due i either dont eat for a week or go stand on the corner and earn a few bob........

i always make sure i have a bag of change though...

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By *urvywelshCouple over a year ago

Everywhere and nowhere baby

My OH pays for the 'site supporters' thing. He's expected to support me when my contributions based JSA runs out. Fair enough. But please don't tar me with the same brush as the "slackers" out there. I'm 52 and although there isn't supposed to be 'ageism' I'm sure there is. I'm doing everything in my power to get a job, however low paid.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

welcome to the torries slaves of the uk

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My OH pays for the 'site supporters' thing. He's expected to support me when my contributions based JSA runs out. Fair enough. But please don't tar me with the same brush as the "slackers" out there. I'm 52 and although there isn't supposed to be 'ageism' I'm sure there is. I'm doing everything in my power to get a job, however low paid. "

Curvywelsh...

you can shout it from the roof tops but there are some who wont believe or dont want to believe .....

that there are some decent people are claiming benefits through no fault of their own.....

You know your doing all you can and that should be enough...

so dont sweat the small minded people

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

yeah, my first job was pretty good. I worked in Mcdonalds when I was 16/17. the pay wasn't great but the work was ok and the banter was fantastic

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

When your age exceeds your bust size ...........

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By *urvywelshCouple over a year ago

Everywhere and nowhere baby

When your age exceeds your bust size ..........."

Lol. True. 44dd so I got no chance

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By *urvywelshCouple over a year ago

Everywhere and nowhere baby

Curvywelsh...

you can shout it from the roof tops but there are some who wont believe or dont want to believe .....

that there are some decent people are claiming benefits through no fault of their own.....

You know your doing all you can and that should be enough...

so dont sweat the small minded people

Thank you xx

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

Not aimed at you im afraid, if your not a slacker then it was not about you.

But lots on here seem to jump when it's said.

In the words of Mr Michael him self, guilty feet have no rhythm

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not aimed at you im afraid, if your not a slacker then it was not about you.

But lots on here seem to jump when it's said.

In the words of Mr Michael him self, guilty feet have no rhythm

Fuck me !!!

now they want us to dance

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Exactly, wake up and realise, unemployment benefit accounts for less than 6%??? Clearly sun newspaper readers lol

Why which hunt, or attack such a small proportion of spend from the public purse.

And before anyone starts the my taxes pay for rubbish.... I suggest that you research what your income tax actually pays for

Your council tax pays to run the country, that's why it's the only tax that you can be put in prison for not paying... Hmmm big clue there.

For one thing Your income tax is used to pay for interest on the money in circulation, I hate to break it to you but the Bank of England is a profit making concern. Google how much was paid in fines to the EU for not following all directives they pass (more than unemployment benefit)

So before you attack the unemployed, think.... Are they the reason for our problems??? Nope!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Tell you what tho, the amount of people who comment on this and my past threads, they claim to be in destitute, but yet are site supporters, think they call that double standards

Some of us use our o2 rewards wisely...who are you to tell anyone what do spend their money on?

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By *urvywelshCouple over a year ago

Everywhere and nowhere baby

Not aimed at you im afraid, if your not a slacker then it was not about you.

But lots on here seem to jump when it's said.

In the words of Mr Michael him self, guilty feet have no rhythm

Fuck me !!!

now they want us to dance

I got rhythm. Up down up down. Lol c

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And.............and ......

many benefits are taxed ........

so they are also taxpayers

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not aimed at you im afraid, if your not a slacker then it was not about you.

But lots on here seem to jump when it's said.

In the words of Mr Michael him self, guilty feet have no rhythm

Fuck me !!!

now they want us to dance

I got rhythm. Up down up down. Lol c"

Lmao

as long as i aint gotta grab me crotch and squeal .....its all good

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

"And.............and ......

many benefits are taxed ........

so they are also taxpayers

What a stupid comment, yes the claim tax us paid but how the heck can you feel you have paid tax, if the money was giving to you.

Must Ho into a shop and try that same thing there, yes muss till person well if you give me the money out the till I can pay for these items. At least I get a good laugh out if fab.

Nothing like sitting back and watching all the dole scrounges sweating knowing they got to work for benefits, now we're is my pop corn

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Exactly, wake up and realise, unemployment benefit accounts for less than 6%??? Clearly sun newspaper readers lol

Why which hunt, or attack such a small proportion of spend from the public purse.

And before anyone starts the my taxes pay for rubbish.... I suggest that you research what your income tax actually pays for

Your council tax pays to run the country, that's why it's the only tax that you can be put in prison for not paying... Hmmm big clue there.

So before you attack the unemployed, think.... Are they the reason for our problems??? Nope!!

You might want to get your facts right if you are going to quote Jobseekers' allowance is actually £4.91bn (7.6%) IF you take off the £16.94bn 5.2% housing benefit. You could add in DLA at £12.57bn (3.3%) or not depending on who and what but its still a huge drain on the system and stop reading the Sun its bad for you.

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By *urvywelshCouple over a year ago

Everywhere and nowhere baby

Not aimed at you im afraid, if your not a slacker then it was not about you.

But lots on here seem to jump when it's said.

In the words of Mr Michael him self, guilty feet have no rhythm

Fuck me !!!

now they want us to dance

I got rhythm. Up down up down. Lol c

Lmao

as long as i aint gotta grab me crotch and squeal .....its all good

I'll grab it for you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

kin....shitting meself here incase i gotta go tater picking on me crutches or be a traffic warden in me chair.......

The worlds a harsh place for all us scroungers....and all them pretending to be "workers" but spend all their time on here

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

Exactly, wake up and realise, unemployment benefit accounts for less than 6%??? Clearly sun newspaper readers lol

Why which hunt, or attack such a small proportion of spend from the public purse.

And before anyone starts the my taxes pay for rubbish.... I suggest that you research what your income tax actually pays for

Your council tax pays to run the country, that's why it's the only tax that you can be put in prison for not paying... Hmmm big clue there.

So before you attack the unemployed, think.... Are they the reason for our problems??? Nope!!

Don't embarrasses these wana be hard working now all the facts nice people, how very der you

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

"kin....shitting meself here incase i gotta go tater picking on me crutches or be a traffic warden in me chair.......

The worlds a harsh place for all us scroungers....and all them pretending to be "workers" but spend all their time on here

I pay my taxes so i can do with my time as i please, but i got my way the so called scroungers can't do with there time as they please soon can they? No they have to do as there told.

It's not a bad life, shit I just sliped off my high horse, but im fine got straight back up. Hey maybe scroungers could try the same principals

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

"kin....shitting meself here incase i gotta go tater picking on me crutches or be a traffic warden in me chair.......

The worlds a harsh place for all us scroungers....and all them pretending to be "workers" but spend all their time on here

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like the pictures peachy, nice to see your legs arnt so bad in them, well I mean you ain't got the crutches, or was it your good day.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"kin....shitting meself here incase i gotta go tater picking on me crutches or be a traffic warden in me chair.......

The worlds a harsh place for all us scroungers....and all them pretending to be "workers" but spend all their time on here

like the pictures peachy, nice to see your legs arnt so bad in them, well I mean you ain't got the crutches, or was it your good day.

Every days a good day....

shhhhhhhhhh dont tell anyone though

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I really don't know the answer. I know there are genuine unemployed people who are genuinely looking for work. I also know that there are genuine lazy arse feckers like the young couple who live opposite me. I am sick to death seeing them coming home in taxis with their shopping, dressed in the latest fashions while some weeks (like this one) I've literally got £10 in my purse. Its so disheartening but I work for my own self respect, sanity and to instil a work ethic and set a good example to my child.

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By *utmegsMan over a year ago

Closer than you think

"And.............and ......

many benefits are taxed ........

so they are also taxpayers

What a stupid comment, yes the claim tax us paid but how the heck can you feel you have paid tax, if the money was giving to you."

The same way that everyone who works for the state are - tax money pays for them and they are taxed on their wages the same as everyone else.

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

"And.............and ......

many benefits are taxed ........

so they are also taxpayers

What a stupid comment, yes the claim tax us paid but how the heck can you feel you have paid tax, if the money was giving to you.

The same way that everyone who works for the state are - tax money pays for them and they are taxed on their wages the same as everyone else."

Yes people working for the state do just that, WORK

People that claim benefits might well of paid income tax in the past but it's a false economy if you think you pay tax on hand outs. Yes tax is deducted, but that don't mean you have the right to say you pay taxes Lmao, thus place has me in fits some times

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

make me think how he is going to let this threw without even a vote in parliament

they cant just keep hitting at the unemployed

when there is no jobs out there for us

(so called work program is failing him also)

I work part time as its all i can get

(love to go full time)

I will lose my part time job as i will have to do this 30 hours n a week n work for nout

think thats not fair

if it goes threw

am leaving this country i wont let the torries destroy my life

an they say its fair

i think not

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By *wingerdelightCouple over a year ago

eastliegh

"kin....shitting meself here incase i gotta go tater picking on me crutches or be a traffic warden in me chair.......

The worlds a harsh place for all us scroungers....and all them pretending to be "workers" but spend all their time on here

"
how we earners spend our time isn't for you to question you aren't paying for us. I'm self employed and often have hours in the day free. If I choose to spend them on fab that's my right . If someone supposed to be looking for a job does then I have a rightto complain as iI'm funding them. Same way if one of my employes was spendingg time I'm paying them for I would have a right to sack them if they were on fab while I was paying them

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

"I really don't know the answer. I know there are genuine unemployed people who are genuinely looking for work. I also know that there are genuine lazy arse feckers like the young couple who live opposite me. I am sick to death seeing them coming home in taxis with their shopping, dressed in the latest fashions while some weeks (like this one) I've literally got £10 in my purse. Its so disheartening but I work for my own self respect, sanity and to instil a work ethic and set a good example to my child.

OMG how der you think how people should spend there money on, it's there money not yours,

Them claimant pay taxes on it you no.

By the way was being flippant in case you think I'm having a pop

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"kin....shitting meself here incase i gotta go tater picking on me crutches or be a traffic warden in me chair.......

The worlds a harsh place for all us scroungers....and all them pretending to be "workers" but spend all their time on here

how we earners spend our time isn't for you to question you aren't paying for us. I'm self employed and often have hours in the day free. If I choose to spend them on fab that's my right . If someone supposed to be looking for a job does then I have a rightto complain as iI'm funding them. Same way if one of my employes was spendingg time I'm paying them for I would have a right to sack them if they were on fab while I was paying them"

Yup...........

another one that doesnt know what irony is or sarcasm.....

thats 8 ive caught today

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

"kin....shitting meself here incase i gotta go tater picking on me crutches or be a traffic warden in me chair.......

The worlds a harsh place for all us scroungers....and all them pretending to be "workers" but spend all their time on here

Right your getting kicked of now, you can't question claimants like that, they pay taxes you no.

Btw your a breath of fresh air bout time people started to wake up to the scronging culture.

They love the its only less than so much % there's bigger problems, that's called a smoke screen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"kin....shitting meself here incase i gotta go tater picking on me crutches or be a traffic warden in me chair.......

The worlds a harsh place for all us scroungers....and all them pretending to be "workers" but spend all their time on here

Right your getting kicked of now, you can't question claimants like that, they pay taxes you no.

Btw your a breath of fresh air bout time people started to wake up to the scronging culture.

They love the its only less than so much % there's bigger problems, that's called a smoke screen. "

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

"kin....shitting meself here incase i gotta go tater picking on me crutches or be a traffic warden in me chair.......

The worlds a harsh place for all us scroungers....and all them pretending to be "workers" but spend all their time on here

Yup...........

another one that doesnt know what irony is or sarcasm.....

thats 8 ive caught today

Now it's called, times are changing, get up or get lost.

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

"kin....shitting meself here incase i gotta go tater picking on me crutches or be a traffic warden in me chair.......

The worlds a harsh place for all us scroungers....and all them pretending to be "workers" but spend all their time on here

Right your getting kicked of now, you can't question claimants like that, they pay taxes you no.

Btw your a breath of fresh air bout time people started to wake up to the scronging culture.

They love the its only less than so much % there's bigger problems, that's called a smoke screen.

Wait there im confused is that irony??? If only I was on benefits I would know what that was.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"kin....shitting meself here incase i gotta go tater picking on me crutches or be a traffic warden in me chair.......

The worlds a harsh place for all us scroungers....and all them pretending to be "workers" but spend all their time on here

Right your getting kicked of now, you can't question claimants like that, they pay taxes you no.

Btw your a breath of fresh air bout time people started to wake up to the scronging culture.

They love the its only less than so much % there's bigger problems, that's called a smoke screen.

Wait there im confused is that irony??? If only I was on benefits I would know what that was.

Well exactly.........we have more brains ya see

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"make me think how he is going to let this threw without even a vote in parliament

they cant just keep hitting at the unemployed

when there is no jobs out there for us

(so called work program is failing him also)

I work part time as its all i can get

(love to go full time)

I will lose my part time job as i will have to do this 30 hours n a week n work for nout

think thats not fair

if it goes threw

am leaving this country i wont let the torries destroy my life

an they say its fair

i think not

It is only for those that have been unemployed for 2-3 years hun so if you are employed it won't apply to you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And im gonna let you keep spouting shite as long as ya like because you obviously believe all you say but its getting harder to see the funny side of your very personal comments.

I will leave you to it.before i get a ban ...............

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By *rivate auditionsMan over a year ago

West Midlands

and getting us outof the fecking EU will save us bloody billions too!,the EU is corrupt,wastefull and we dont need them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"make me think how he is going to let this threw without even a vote in parliament

they cant just keep hitting at the unemployed

when there is no jobs out there for us

(so called work program is failing him also)

I work part time as its all i can get

(love to go full time)

I will lose my part time job as i will have to do this 30 hours n a week n work for nout

think thats not fair

if it goes threw

am leaving this country i wont let the torries destroy my life

an they say its fair

i think not

It is only for those that have been unemployed for 2-3 years hun so if you are employed it won't apply to you

"
I'm p't under 16 it will effect me

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By *icoupleforfunz27Couple over a year ago

liverpool

"And im gonna let you keep spouting shite as long as ya like because you obviously believe all you say but its getting harder to see the funny side of your very personal comments.

I will leave you to it.before i get a ban ...............

Take care lovely, especially with those bad legs hey

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

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