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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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With the announcement today suggesting prisons become totally no smoking zones what a nice thought that for as many as 80% of inmates the ultimate in hard time is just around the corner  |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"i dont agree with it.
I don't either, the prison term with loss of freedom is the punishment.
Yes i think so, it will make them more nasty."
Full Sutton Prison has enough arseholes in there as it is. Imagine them with nicotine withdrawal!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Typical of all Governments. Why cant they just have 4 smoking prisons for every 1 non-smoking prison and house the inmates accordingly?
As they should have done with pubs ie THIS is a smoking pub, if smoking/smokers offend you, fucking go drink somewhere else.
Or words to that effect. |
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"i dont agree with it.
I don't either, the prison term with loss of freedom is the punishment.
Really  "
Yes, I know you are going to tell me that they all live in carpeted, en suite cells with broadband, satellite TV and gourmet good and their lived are better than pensioners lived and even if that was all true a prison term with its loss of freedom is the punishment. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Typical of all Governments. Why cant they just have 4 smoking prisons for every 1 non-smoking prison and house the inmates accordingly?
As they should have done with pubs ie THIS is a smoking pub, if smoking/smokers offend you, fucking go drink somewhere else.
Or words to that effect. "
No chap, the current policy of go outside and smoke in the fresh air is the perfect solution...........unless of course you are banged up |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I believe it's just the same as all past arguments. Whereas they should have allowed proprieters of all establishments the option to either have designated indoor smoking spaces or to go totally smoke free if they wanted to, prisoners are not all of the same extreme and still have rights.
They dwell under someone else's roof but not voluntarily... they should have a choice at the front door...
"And will your cell be smoking or non-smoking, Mr Convict? very good, sir!" |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No doubt a prisoner will win a case at the EU saying it breaches their human rights and then will have to compensate 80% of prison population. Should be allowed to smoke in cells and certain areas.
How long before ban tobacco completely.
As am aside the reason prisons are rife with smack heads if due to the marijuana policy.
Random piss tests mean rather than smoking , which stays in system 28 days they now turn to heroin which only stays in blood 2-3 days so they created issues for themselves.
Any screw will tell you the wing is a much nicer place when the population is stoned |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"i dont agree with it.
I don't either, the prison term with loss of freedom is the punishment.
Really
Yes, I know you are going to tell me that they all live in carpeted, en suite cells with broadband, satellite TV and gourmet good and their lived are better than pensioners lived and even if that was all true a prison term with its loss of freedom is the punishment. "
Really 
Sorry but until it is 'hard labour' and people have a spine shaterring fear of going back inside punishment it ain't |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i dont agree with it.
I don't either, the prison term with loss of freedom is the punishment. "
I agree. They go on about "human rights". As soon you commit the crime/get sent down. That's when you shouldn't have any rights in my opinion. |
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"Will They BAN The SMOKING Rooms in the House of Commons.. as well "
doubt it ..cant see a problem with smoking rooms myself as a smoker and whilst enjoying a stay in hospital did make use of it on many occasions .. now however, when in hospital we have to stand on a main road in the middle of a city centre .. dressed anything but appropriately ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i dont agree with it.
I don't either, the prison term with loss of freedom is the punishment.
Really
Yes, I know you are going to tell me that they all live in carpeted, en suite cells with broadband, satellite TV and gourmet good and their lived are better than pensioners lived and even if that was all true a prison term with its loss of freedom is the punishment.
Really
Sorry but until it is 'hard labour' and people have a spine shaterring fear of going back inside punishment it ain't "
Loss of liberty is very much a punishment. A day in the jail feels like a week. Time stands still. Even upon release the world you left behind has moved on 1 2 or more years. Normally kicked out the door having lost partners, homes, friends and jobs. They then wonder why people reoffend. |
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Loss of liberty is very much a punishment. A day in the jail feels like a week. Time stands still. Even upon release the world you left behind has moved on 1 2 or more years. Normally kicked out the door having lost partners, homes, friends and jobs. They then wonder why people reoffend."
im still wondering ... if its that shit then why do they ??
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"But isn't it because of our obsession with compensation culture? "
Possibly but personally I'm happy with it as a punishment too. They can also take away the televisions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How do prisoners afford to buy fags?
Cigarettes or amenable cell mates?"
No doubt one can lead to the other.
I'm curious though - how do they afford it? |
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"How do prisoners afford to buy fags?"
they work inside the prisons and families and friends can send them funds. you can also retain any tobacco that you had on your person on the day you were sent down so your solicitor will advise you to bring to court the amount you expect to need for the duration of the sentence they expect you are looking at
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"But they're supposed to be houses of correction not places of punishment, aren't they?
There are those who won't be happy until they're both."
Yep - right here. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How do prisoners afford to buy fags?
they work inside the prisons and families and friends can send them funds. you can also retain any tobacco that you had on your person on the day you were sent down so your solicitor will advise you to bring to court the amount you expect to need for the duration of the sentence they expect you are looking at
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That'll be some calculation if yer looking at a life term specially as smoking shortens yer life. Hmmmmmmm? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Loss of liberty is very much a punishment. A day in the jail feels like a week. Time stands still. Even upon release the world you left behind has moved on 1 2 or more years. Normally kicked out the door having lost partners, homes, friends and jobs. They then wonder why people reoffend.
im still wondering ... if its that shit then why do they ??
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They reoffend because often they are released with no money. No home. No job. no family or friends for support. Get released on a Friday with £40 to your name will last a night. They know this but still the only ones that get stuff put on place for release are the bloody sex cases!
Oh and any tobacco you arrive at jail with gets binned now adays. Quickly taken out by the orderly! |
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Oh and any tobacco you arrive at jail with gets binned now adays. Quickly taken out by the orderly!"
not in Bristol it doesn't .. had a friend sent down fairly recently who was allowed to retain all the tobacco he had on him ...there is a prison on the isle of man who has already imposed a smoking ban without huge dramas so far so it is never consistent how the rules apply I guess |
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"i dont agree with it.
I don't either, the prison term with loss of freedom is the punishment.
I agree. They go on about "human rights". As soon you commit the crime/get sent down. That's when you shouldn't have any rights in my opinion. "
so what about all who get sent down then 2 years later for the cops to say sorry we got it wrong they didn't do it
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"How do prisoners afford to buy fags?
Cigarettes or amenable cell mates?
No doubt one can lead to the other.
I'm curious though - how do they afford it?"
well they work and earn from £10 to £20 a week
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i dont agree with it.
I don't either, the prison term with loss of freedom is the punishment.
I agree. They go on about "human rights". As soon you commit the crime/get sent down. That's when you shouldn't have any rights in my opinion.
so what about all who get sent down then 2 years later for the cops to say sorry we got it wrong they didn't do it
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What about them? That's a separate issue.
I don't agree they should have no rights - they should, but that doesn't entitle them to luxuries and cigarettes are a luxury that many can't afford anymore least of all people unable to earn an income. |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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"i dont agree with it.
I don't either, the prison term with loss of freedom is the punishment.
I agree. They go on about "human rights". As soon you commit the crime/get sent down. That's when you shouldn't have any rights in my opinion.
so what about all who get sent down then 2 years later for the cops to say sorry we got it wrong they didn't do it
What about them? That's a separate issue.
I don't agree they should have no rights - they should, but that doesn't entitle them to luxuries and cigarettes are a luxury that many can't afford anymore least of all people unable to earn an income."
Putting your heating on is a luxury for pensioners. Don't hear of prisoners dying in the winter from hypothermia though. We have our priorities twisted in this country. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As a smoker who has been banned from nearly everywhere, its only right this should apply to prisons.
When working with the elderly at a day center, they were made to go outside in all weathers.
what gives prisoners any more rights than anyone else.?
and if they want to knock seven shades out of each other because of with drawel....so be it.  |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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"As a smoker who has been banned from nearly everywhere, its only right this should apply to prisons.
When working with the elderly at a day center, they were made to go outside in all weathers.
what gives prisoners any more rights than anyone else.?
and if they want to knock seven shades out of each other because of with drawel....so be it. "
Let them riot if they want to just don't repair anything. Amazing how people on here are concerned if a child killer can't have a cigarette.Bloody Hell eh? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Putting your heating on is a luxury for pensioners. Don't hear of prisoners dying in the winter from hypothermia though. We have our priorities twisted in this country."
It's twisted that basic necessities can be considered luxuries - and that people can make profit from that, but that's going off track a little.
Prisoners should be kept safe, fed reasonably, able to sleep, read and educate themselves. Other than that they should absolutely hate being in there. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As a smoker who has been banned from nearly everywhere, its only right this should apply to prisons.
When working with the elderly at a day center, they were made to go outside in all weathers.
what gives prisoners any more rights than anyone else.?
and if they want to knock seven shades out of each other because of with drawel....so be it. "
They will not though as the prison will supply smoking cessation products at the taxpayers cost. As its a medical issue they will have too. Already pumping them with valium for alcohol withdrawal and methadone for smack withdrawal. Better let them buy they're own fags |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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All parts of prisons so presumably yes.
It's only a matter of time before it becomes banned pretty much everywhere anyway.
And then they'll finally legalise cannabis. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As a smoker who has been banned from nearly everywhere, its only right this should apply to prisons.
When working with the elderly at a day center, they were made to go outside in all weathers.
what gives prisoners any more rights than anyone else.?
and if they want to knock seven shades out of each other because of with drawel....so be it. Let them riot if they want to just don't repair anything. Amazing how people on here are concerned if a child killer can't have a cigarette.Bloody Hell eh?"
A very tiny fraction will be kiddie fiddlers. More likely your neighbours for driving offences or non payment of tv license, hardly Mr big |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Will this new ban be forced on those simply on remand.
Those that are innocent,but the state chooses to keep locked up, because they have yet to decide what law they have broken "
But the law states any enclosed space and or public building etc so yes it will apply to them. when im in hospital i cant smoke ...the law wont change if they dont find anything wrong with me |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Will this new ban be forced on those simply on remand.
Those that are innocent,but the state chooses to keep locked up, because they have yet to decide what law they have broken
But the law states any enclosed space and or public building etc so yes it will apply to them. when im in hospital i cant smoke ...the law wont change if they dont find anything wrong with me "
But you are free to leave and go outside for a smoke at any time.
Your not suggesting we let them all out of prison every 2 hours for a fag break, SURELY NOT........ |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It should be the same for everyone with smoking zones...it will mean they cant smoke in their cells. thats all  "
Many remand prisoners ie-not yet convicted of any crime - spend 23 hours a day in a cell. One hour exercise. If they are allowed to smoke anywhere it should be in the cell and not while interacting with other prison population |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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"As a smoker who has been banned from nearly everywhere, its only right this should apply to prisons.
When working with the elderly at a day center, they were made to go outside in all weathers.
what gives prisoners any more rights than anyone else.?
and if they want to knock seven shades out of each other because of with drawel....so be it. Let them riot if they want to just don't repair anything. Amazing how people on here are concerned if a child killer can't have a cigarette.Bloody Hell eh?
A very tiny fraction will be kiddie fiddlers. More likely your neighbours for driving offences or non payment of tv license, hardly Mr big "
I don't care if it's only one child killer(kiddy fiddler sound too flippant imho)They will still get this undeserved ivilege if they want it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It should be the same for everyone with smoking zones...it will mean they cant smoke in their cells. thats all "
The law most certainly is not the same for everyone though.
Prisons are just like the Palace of Westminster bars.
They are all exempt from the law banning smoking.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It should be the same for everyone with smoking zones...it will mean they cant smoke in their cells. thats all
The law most certainly is not the same for everyone though.
Prisons are just like the Palace of Westminster bars.
They are all exempt from the law banning smoking.
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Lol yes all of Britains worst criminals im fact! |
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Typical of all Governments. Why cant they just have 4 smoking prisons for every 1 non-smoking prison and house the inmates accordingly?
As they should have done with pubs ie THIS is a smoking pub, if smoking/smokers offend you, fucking go drink somewhere else.
Or words to that effect. "
Here Here
Fucking sick to the back teeth of anti smoking fucking fascists. |
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"Will this new ban be forced on those simply on remand.
Those that are innocent,but the state chooses to keep locked up, because they have yet to decide what law they have broken "
Don't no what law books you read, but your kept on remand because they consider you to be guilty if a serious crime.
And because it's your rights to have a trial before a jury, then the deem you to be dangerous before hand.  |
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"As a smoker who has been banned from nearly everywhere, its only right this should apply to prisons.
When working with the elderly at a day center, they were made to go outside in all weathers.
what gives prisoners any more rights than anyone else.?
and if they want to knock seven shades out of each other because of with drawel....so be it. "
Peaches how very none understanding of you, i thought you was saying the other day don't judge those who have fell on hard times!!!!  |
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My view on smoking in prisons should be aloud to smoke outside when the have the rights to go out doors, any other time should be no smoking.
They are in prison for a crime no matter how big or small, yes I agree them being in there is a large punishment enough, but they should be scared to go back inside.
These days people want to go to prison as they get treated better, than the outside.
But before you shoot me down, there should be more help, for those who try not to re offend, as im sure as some of said it must be hard coming out to nothing with nothing. |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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"They're there to be punished. I truly think all tobacco products should be banned. The world would be a healthier place and a lot sweeter smelling. X"
Lets ban Alcohol, Confectionery and smelly poo while we are at it.
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And without going of the OP post to much, regarding none smoking in pubs.
I'm a none smoker but it gets lonely when every bugger goes outside for ages.
They said it was to protect the rights of none smokers, which ok fair enough but we're are the rights of the smokers???
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"They're there to be punished. I truly think all tobacco products should be banned. The world would be a healthier place and a lot sweeter smelling. XLets ban Alcohol, Confectionery and smelly poo while we are at it. "
ok why not. I'd like to hear your ideas on how to get rid of smelly poo though. That 1 might be tough x |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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"They're there to be punished. I truly think all tobacco products should be banned. The world would be a healthier place and a lot sweeter smelling. XLets ban Alcohol, Confectionery and smelly poo while we are at it.
ok why not. I'd like to hear your ideas on how to get rid of smelly poo though. That 1 might be tough x"
I wouldn't want to.... |
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These days people want to go to prison as they get treated better, than the outside.
People often say this, if it was true wouldn't people all be pleading guilty and confessing to crimes?
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Have you never heard of dome people who commit a crime and wait to be arrested?? I personal know someone who does this to get back inside, because they can't cope on the outside. That's why the have a word for them, institutionalised. |
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These days people want to go to prison as they get treated better, than the outside.
People often say this, if it was true wouldn't people all be pleading guilty and confessing to crimes?
Have you never heard of dome people who commit a crime and wait to be arrested?? I personal know someone who does this to get back inside, because they can't cope on the outside. That's why the have a word for them, institutionalised."
I have heard of these people, but you speak as if everyone in prison is the same and actually wants to be there. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My question is how do prisoners afford to smoke if they have no income?"
I asked the same. Apparently they earn money which I'm assuming means they're given public money to spend on fags in return for some sort of work. Therefore I guess it's tax payers paying for them to smoke. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Will this new ban be forced on those simply on remand.
Those that are innocent,but the state chooses to keep locked up, because they have yet to decide what law they have broken
But the law states any enclosed space and or public building etc so yes it will apply to them. when im in hospital i cant smoke ...the law wont change if they dont find anything wrong with me
But you are free to leave and go outside for a smoke at any time.
Your not suggesting we let them all out of prison every 2 hours for a fag break, SURELY NOT........"
Hospitals in Swansea are no smoking and this includes the grounds so smokers can't go out for a smoke any time. It's not about punishment in prisons it's about protecting the health of non smokers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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prisoners have an income if they do work while within the prison.
why ban ciggies for them, if i was being a git i would say let them smoke as much and as often as they wished, then they would die quicker and reduce the prison population.
The government will never place a ban on Tobacco, they earn too much tax revenue from it, otherwise they would have made ciggies £50 a pack years ago.
Plus this lot of piss ant wankers we call a government are scared shitless that some enterprising prisoner will scream human rights violations and their law will get over turned by Brussels. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"prisoners have an income if they do work while within the prison.
why ban ciggies for them"
Because they're an unnecessary luxury. And they're not earning an 'income' - they don't need an income. They're being given a pocket money handout using public money. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"prisoners have an income if they do work while within the prison.
why ban ciggies for them
Because they're an unnecessary luxury. And they're not earning an 'income' - they don't need an income. They're being given a pocket money handout using public money."
Prisoners 'earn' anything between £2.50 and £10 a week depending on work duties. Kitchen is the most lucrative. Other personal cash cab be sent in by relatives although thus is capped. Remand prisoners get slighty higher margins. The wage is spent on items such as phone credit to call kids and partners, toiletries, birthday cards home, writing implements. Some choose to purchase tobacco.
As the official line is that prison is to rehabilitate and ready prisoners for inclusion into society is it not a good use of taxpayers money having convicts work (below minimum wage!) im order to install a routine, a 35 hour working week, a work ethic and the feeling of having earned the funds to purchase your tobacco? |
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These days people want to go to prison as they get treated better, than the outside.
People often say this, if it was true wouldn't people all be pleading guilty and confessing to crimes?
Have you never heard of dome people who commit a crime and wait to be arrested?? I personal know someone who does this to get back inside, because they can't cope on the outside. That's why the have a word for them, institutionalised.
I have heard of these people, but you speak as if everyone in prison is the same and actually wants to be there. "
Right back at ya, you speak as if everyone in prison does not want to be there. |
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