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over a year ago
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So as cited in the press there has been calls to ban the veil burkha etc in public. Especially airports and schools.
Think it's a great idea. Religion does not call for full face covering only the head. If they want to interact with UK society they should give it up.
There have been crimes committed by persons adopting the veil and teachers complain that interaction with pupils is harmed.
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Yes I think banning them would be a good move. Some of the shops round ours you aren't allowed in with a hoody or cap on but if you got a veil on your allowed to go in. |
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if you cant wear a Huddy - should you be able to cover up ..
i agree .. i really don't AND AM NOT a racist at all .. but if we went to countries with certain rules you live or leave by these rules i guess ? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Yes I think banning them would be a good move. Some of the shops round ours you aren't allowed in with a hoody or cap on but if you got a veil on your allowed to go in. "
Same with taking motorcycle helmet off in banks. Need get the fuckers on cctv like rest of us! |
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"Yes I think banning them would be a good move. Some of the shops round ours you aren't allowed in with a hoody or cap on but if you got a veil on your allowed to go in. "
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"Robberies have been comitted by people weraing burkas as a disguise and people have tried to get through custims as well.As for driving with them? Just bloody stupid."
robbers have been wearing disguises since the dawn of bank robberies. how about if we just make everybody stril down to their undies if they want to enter a bank? |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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"Robberies have been comitted by people weraing burkas as a disguise and people have tried to get through custims as well.As for driving with them? Just bloody stupid.
robbers have been wearing disguises since the dawn of bank robberies. how about if we just make everybody stril down to their undies if they want to enter a bank?"
Is that meant to be a serious comment? Surely not. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Cant believe we are having this discussion because our government hasn't got the balls to have banned it already . It's an obvious security risk when as already stated they are allowed
in shops but hoods and caps aren't
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"on the flip side when in thier muslim countries should non-muslim women be forced to where the berka? "
I think people should fit in with the country they are in, whatever the laws or customs. |
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I s'pose it depends on how ugly they are.
If there sensible and practical rules such as appearances at Court, no hoodies in designated areas, no head/face coverings in banks/fuel stations etc then the rules should apply to all, NO exceptions.
Other than that, anyone should be able to dress as they wish.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So as cited in the press there has been calls to ban the veil burkha etc in public. Especially airports and schools.
Think it's a great idea. Religion does not call for full face covering only the head. If they want to interact with UK society they should give it up.
There have been crimes committed by persons adopting the veil and teachers complain that interaction with pupils is harmed.
What do you think?"
Totally agree .
When in court,school ,college or conversing publicly. it shouldnt be allowed.
I personally wouldnt feel comfortable dealing with someone by only talking to a pair of eyes ...very disconserting to say the least.  |
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"on the flip side when in thier muslim countries should non-muslim women be forced to where the berka? Can you name one country where it is the law to wear the burka? Is there one?"
Libiya, Gambia, Gahna... for a full list see the map on this page. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_by_country Some of them are large tourist nations too. |
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Can't be easy for girls and young women wearing veils in schools and public places in the uk. They can't blend in and will stand out and maybe get pick on . In there own country but maybe not fair when living in the uk . |
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I hate the Burka with a passion. I lived in Oman for a year & I must've seen 10 women wearing Burka's in a whole year. Here in Huddersfield I can see that in a day.
It has nothing to do with religion, it does not mention it in the Koran. It is quite simply a man's way of controlling a woman as his property. Saudi Arabia insists that women wear the Burka. They also have a law that women cannot go out of the house without a male family member to accompany them, they cannot drive, they are not entitled to an education. If a man wants to divorce them then they only have to say it 3 times & also if a woman is raped, then they get stoned to death for "encouraging it." The burka is a symbol of oppression against women & the refusal to integrate into the society that they wished to join & that pays their benefit cheques.
Ban the Burka. |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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"on the flip side when in thier muslim countries should non-muslim women be forced to where the berka? Can you name one country where it is the law to wear the burka? Is there one?
Libiya, Gambia, Gahna... for a full list see the map on this page. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_by_country Some of them are large tourist nations too."
Wikipedia?! Oh please. That's not an authority on anything.Written by amateurs. Do try harder. |
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"I hate the Burka with a passion. I lived in Oman for a year & I must've seen 10 women wearing Burka's in a whole year. Here in Huddersfield I can see that in a day.
It has nothing to do with religion, it does not mention it in the Koran. It is quite simply a man's way of controlling a woman as his property. Saudi Arabia insists that women wear the Burka. They also have a law that women cannot go out of the house without a male family member to accompany them, they cannot drive, they are not entitled to an education. If a man wants to divorce them then they only have to say it 3 times & also if a woman is raped, then they get stoned to death for "encouraging it." The burka is a symbol of oppression against women & the refusal to integrate into the society that they wished to join & that pays their benefit cheques.
Ban the Burka."
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"I hate the Burka with a passion. I lived in Oman for a year & I must've seen 10 women wearing Burka's in a whole year. Here in Huddersfield I can see that in a day.
It has nothing to do with religion, it does not mention it in the Koran. It is quite simply a man's way of controlling a woman as his property. Saudi Arabia insists that women wear the Burka. They also have a law that women cannot go out of the house without a male family member to accompany them, they cannot drive, they are not entitled to an education. If a man wants to divorce them then they only have to say it 3 times & also if a woman is raped, then they get stoned to death for "encouraging it." The burka is a symbol of oppression against women & the refusal to integrate into the society that they wished to join & that pays their benefit cheques.
Ban the Burka.
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"on the flip side when in thier muslim countries should non-muslim women be forced to where the berka? Can you name one country where it is the law to wear the burka? Is there one?
Libiya, Gambia, Gahna... for a full list see the map on this page. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_by_country Some of them are large tourist nations too.Wikipedia?! Oh please. That's not an authority on anything.Written by amateurs. Do try harder."
He does not need to. Try clicking the "references" tab before posting and looking silly. Wiki is only as good as its references as you should well know. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So as cited in the press there has been calls to ban the veil burkha etc in public. Especially airports and schools.
Think it's a great idea. Religion does not call for full face covering only the head. If they want to interact with UK society they should give it up.
There have been crimes committed by persons adopting the veil and teachers complain that interaction with pupils is harmed.
What do you think?"
I don't recall hearing of many criminal acts being committed where a burqa veil has prevented identification and even if there are examples do you think the criminal intent will disappear with the veil? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"it can't be safe wearing these veils & headgear when driving a car on the roads,but for some strange reason it is allowed!,why?.  "
Here in West Yorkshire, not many of the normal rules of driving seem to apply either so one more reason wont make much difference. |
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"it can't be safe wearing these veils & headgear when driving a car on the roads,but for some strange reason it is allowed!,why?.
Here in West Yorkshire, not many of the normal rules of driving seem to apply either so one more reason wont make much difference."
i have worked in huddersfield,desbury,heckmondwyke and know the problems only too well
thats why the government stays in westminster. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Cant believe we are having this discussion because our government hasn't got the balls to have banned it already . It's an obvious security risk when as already stated they are allowed
in shops but hoods and caps aren't
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Agreed. And to be honest, I think there are other things that should be changed before this. For example, when coming into this country people should be given a certain amount of time to reach a certain level of English.
The amount of money schools spend on hiring translators for parents who have been in this country for YEARS is absurd. I had one parent in my class whose oldest son was about 20 and spoke perfect English with a London accent. Clearly been in the country a fair while. Yet she couldn't speak a word of English. That money is being taken away from the children and we're unable to buy certain resources, take them on more trips etc... There are plenty of community/ children centres that offer free English classes, its pure laziness.
I'm all for people being allowed into this country. Nobody can help the circumstances they were born into and people should be able to look for a better life for themselves and their families. However I think when moving to a new country they should respect that countries values and culture and not expect everything to change to accommodate them.
Sorry off topic a bit I know, but like I said there are many things the gov should do but never will. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Ban the burka in public places I think that's a fair compromise surely ? Some people do find it strange and it's nothing to do with racism,anti religion or a human rights issue. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The veil and the burkha are two differing thing.
I do feel that as there have been a number of crimes committed with MEN wherein the full burkha and veil the full face veil does need to be banned.
The burkha and veil are part of the hijab the principle of dressing modestly. The veil is not an religious item like the cross or turban.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"So as cited in the press there has been calls to ban the veil burkha etc in public. Especially airports and schools.
Think it's a great idea. Religion does not call for full face covering only the head. If they want to interact with UK society they should give it up.
There have been crimes committed by persons adopting the veil and teachers complain that interaction with pupils is harmed.
What do you think?
I don't recall hearing of many criminal acts being committed where a burqa veil has prevented identification and even if there are examples do you think the criminal intent will disappear with the veil? "
Was a case of a jewellers being robbed by MEN wearing them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So as cited in the press there has been calls to ban the veil burkha etc in public. Especially airports and schools.
Think it's a great idea. Religion does not call for full face covering only the head. If they want to interact with UK society they should give it up.
There have been crimes committed by persons adopting the veil and teachers complain that interaction with pupils is harmed.
What do you think?
I don't recall hearing of many criminal acts being committed where a burqa veil has prevented identification and even if there are examples do you think the criminal intent will disappear with the veil?
Was a case of a jewellers being robbed by MEN wearing them."
And having ban in place would have foiled their dastardly plan ? |
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"Can't be easy for girls and young women wearing veils in schools and public places in the uk. They can't blend in and will stand out and maybe get pick on . In there own country but maybe not fair when living in the uk ."
I knew a girl at college, a Muslim who had two student cards. One for her family im full attire and the other wearing western clothes. Could never aee the point of a photo of the full kit! |
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"Ban it but no party has the bottle to get it done"
It's a actually being debated over the next few months. There is a Tory mp Phillip Hollobone who refuses to see any of his constituents who wear the burqa or the niqab unless they will remove it and he is seeking a law to make face covering in a public place illegal. |
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"Robberies have been comitted by people weraing burkas as a disguise and people have tried to get through custims as well.As for driving with them? Just bloody stupid."
Agreed, you try driving round the streets wearing a hoody or a balaclava, the Police won't hesitate to stop you as it affects your peripheral vision and hearing, so why's a full face covering any different?
It's not even religious doctrine anyway, it's purely cultural preference. |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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"on the flip side when in thier muslim countries should non-muslim women be forced to where the berka? Can you name one country where it is the law to wear the burka? Is there one?
Libiya, Gambia, Gahna... for a full list see the map on this page. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_by_country Some of them are large tourist nations too.Wikipedia?! Oh please. That's not an authority on anything.Written by amateurs. Do try harder.
He does not need to. Try clicking the "references" tab before posting and looking silly. Wiki is only as good as its references as you should well know. "
You want to use an amateur site carry on. |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"So as cited in the press there has been calls to ban the veil burkha etc in public. Especially airports and schools.
Think it's a great idea. Religion does not call for full face covering only the head. If they want to interact with UK society they should give it up.
There have been crimes committed by persons adopting the veil and teachers complain that interaction with pupils is harmed.
What do you think?
I don't recall hearing of many criminal acts being committed where a burqa veil has prevented identification and even if there are examples do you think the criminal intent will disappear with the veil? "
Why wouldn't it if it was banned in public.? |
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"Ban the burka in public places I think that's a fair compromise surely ? Some people do find it strange and it's nothing to do with racism,anti religion or a human rights issue. "
No, its just to do with a fear of something different. Ho hum.
"The veil and the burkha are two differing things.
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This. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"on the flip side when in thier muslim countries should non-muslim women be forced to where the berka? Can you name one country where it is the law to wear the burka? Is there one?
Libiya, Gambia, Gahna... for a full list see the map on this page. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_by_country Some of them are large tourist nations too.Wikipedia?! Oh please. That's not an authority on anything.Written by amateurs. Do try harder."
And you are an authority then?
If you think the list is please go and edit the page then. |
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By *obbygggMan
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"on the flip side when in thier muslim countries should non-muslim women be forced to where the berka? Can you name one country where it is the law to wear the burka? Is there one?
Libiya, Gambia, Gahna... for a full list see the map on this page. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_by_country Some of them are large tourist nations too.Wikipedia?! Oh please. That's not an authority on anything.Written by amateurs. Do try harder.
And you are an authority then?
If you think the list is please go and edit the page then."
Try united punjab's web page at www.unp.me its an Asain site. See what they make of wiki |
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By *obbygggMan
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"on the flip side when in thier muslim countries should non-muslim women be forced to where the berka? Can you name one country where it is the law to wear the burka? Is there one?
Libiya, Gambia, Gahna... for a full list see the map on this page. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_by_country Some of them are large tourist nations too.Wikipedia?! Oh please. That's not an authority on anything.Written by amateurs. Do try harder.
And you are an authority then?
If you think the list is please go and edit the page then."
why should I correct their information. That's for mugs. |
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"on the flip side when in thier muslim countries should non-muslim women be forced to where the berka? Can you name one country where it is the law to wear the burka? Is there one?
Libiya, Gambia, Gahna... for a full list see the map on this page. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_by_country Some of them are large tourist nations too.Wikipedia?! Oh please. That's not an authority on anything.Written by amateurs. Do try harder.
And you are an authority then?
If you think the list is please go and edit the page then.Try united punjab's web page at www.unp.me its an Asain site. See what they make of wiki"
and this site is any better now?
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"on the flip side when in thier muslim countries should non-muslim women be forced to where the berka? Can you name one country where it is the law to wear the burka? Is there one?
Libiya, Gambia, Gahna... for a full list see the map on this page. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_by_country Some of them are large tourist nations too.Wikipedia?! Oh please. That's not an authority on anything.Written by amateurs. Do try harder.
He does not need to. Try clicking the "references" tab before posting and looking silly. Wiki is only as good as its references as you should well know. You want to use an amateur site carry on."
Tell you what! You can tell me how to use the internet once you have figured out how to upload pictures! Sound like a deal? Good.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So as cited in the press there has been calls to ban the veil burkha etc in public. Especially airports and schools.
Think it's a great idea. Religion does not call for full face covering only the head. If they want to interact with UK society they should give it up.
There have been crimes committed by persons adopting the veil and teachers complain that interaction with pupils is harmed.
What do you think?
I don't recall hearing of many criminal acts being committed where a burqa veil has prevented identification and even if there are examples do you think the criminal intent will disappear with the veil? Why wouldn't it if it was banned in public.?"
Because it is a criminal mind not a veil that is committing the crime ... no veil? How about a stocking, Halloween mask, ski mask etc etc |
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By *obbygggMan
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"on the flip side when in thier muslim countries should non-muslim women be forced to where the berka? Can you name one country where it is the law to wear the burka? Is there one?
Libiya, Gambia, Gahna... for a full list see the map on this page. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_by_country Some of them are large tourist nations too.Wikipedia?! Oh please. That's not an authority on anything.Written by amateurs. Do try harder.
And you are an authority then?
If you think the list is please go and edit the page then.Try united punjab's web page at www.unp.me its an Asain site. See what they make of wiki
and this site is any better now?
pmsl "
Don't understand your last comment at all. What are you trying to say? |
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"on the flip side when in thier muslim countries should non-muslim women be forced to where the berka? Can you name one country where it is the law to wear the burka? Is there one?
Libiya, Gambia, Gahna... for a full list see the map on this page. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_by_country Some of them are large tourist nations too.Wikipedia?! Oh please. That's not an authority on anything.Written by amateurs. Do try harder.
He does not need to. Try clicking the "references" tab before posting and looking silly. Wiki is only as good as its references as you should well know. You want to use an amateur site carry on.
Tell you what! You can tell me how to use the internet once you have figured out how to upload pictures! Sound like a deal? Good. "
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"on the flip side when in thier muslim countries should non-muslim women be forced to where the berka? Can you name one country where it is the law to wear the burka? Is there one?
Libiya, Gambia, Gahna... for a full list see the map on this page. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_by_country Some of them are large tourist nations too.Wikipedia?! Oh please. That's not an authority on anything.Written by amateurs. Do try harder.
He does not need to. Try clicking the "references" tab before posting and looking silly. Wiki is only as good as its references as you should well know. You want to use an amateur site carry on.
Tell you what! You can tell me how to use the internet once you have figured out how to upload pictures! Sound like a deal? Good. "
What's that got to do with Wikipedia's inaccurate info? Bizarre. |
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"I hate the Burka with a passion. I lived in Oman for a year & I must've seen 10 women wearing Burka's in a whole year. Here in Huddersfield I can see that in a day.
It has nothing to do with religion, it does not mention it in the Koran. It is quite simply a man's way of controlling a woman as his property. Saudi Arabia insists that women wear the Burka. They also have a law that women cannot go out of the house without a male family member to accompany them, they cannot drive, they are not entitled to an education. If a man wants to divorce them then they only have to say it 3 times & also if a woman is raped, then they get stoned to death for "encouraging it." The burka is a symbol of oppression against women & the refusal to integrate into the society that they wished to join & that pays their benefit cheques.
Ban the Burka.
This "
and some more thumbs from here.
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"Just seen pictures of women in Ghana with no burkas. Thats 2 wiki errors so far. "
just a thought...not every woman in Ghana is Islamic/Muslim. Just as not every woman in England is Catholic or even Christian for that matter. |
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"Just seen pictures of women in Ghana with no burkas. Thats 2 wiki errors so far.
just a thought...not every woman in Ghana is Islamic/Muslim. Just as not every woman in England is Catholic or even Christian for that matter. "
The poster said it was countries where the burka was compulsory according to Wikipedia.Just trying to help. |
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I agree completely, when you live in uk, you should abide by the law of the uk, as we would if we visited or lived in another country with another law,
For effective communication, you need to see, and hear, so your face is very important |
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"Just seen pictures of women in Ghana with no burkas. Thats 2 wiki errors so far.
just a thought...not every woman in Ghana is Islamic/Muslim. Just as not every woman in England is Catholic or even Christian for that matter. The poster said it was countries where the burka was compulsory according to Wikipedia.Just trying to help."
that was me that said that and I said it was a rule that only muslim/islamics were forced to follow...then suggested how would it be if those countries forced NON islam/muslim to do the same.
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"I hate the Burka with a passion. I lived in Oman for a year & I must've seen 10 women wearing Burka's in a whole year. Here in Huddersfield I can see that in a day.
It has nothing to do with religion, it does not mention it in the Koran. It is quite simply a man's way of controlling a woman as his property. Saudi Arabia insists that women wear the Burka. They also have a law that women cannot go out of the house without a male family member to accompany them, they cannot drive, they are not entitled to an education. If a man wants to divorce them then they only have to say it 3 times & also if a woman is raped, then they get stoned to death for "encouraging it." The burka is a symbol of oppression against women & the refusal to integrate into the society that they wished to join & that pays their benefit cheques.
Ban the Burka.
This "
It is to do with different parts of Islam and here we go. Depending in which country you are and what type of Islam they have burkas are enforced or not. However the Koran states that only the hair has to be covered and nothing else; that was copied of the Catholic church and nuns as they have to cover their hair as well as in the days the Catholic church pushed through that for nuns (same time Koran was penned) female hair was a sex symbol (Middle ages and sex)... But why can France, Belgium and other countries be able to ban the burkas and again Britain not? |
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Total agreement the koran does not state veil as requirement therefore religious grounds is not relevant.
Its to do with integration pure and simple. Either folk want to be part of society if so integrate fully. If folk went to school or work with full face covered with crash helmet for example they would have to remove it. A silly statement i know but principle the same.
Rules for all not pick and choose and say its religious. |
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Because of spineless politicians. Birmingham Uni said it would ban it & so a small vocal group opposes it & then the usual rent a mob claims they will support them & before you know it within a couple of days there's a few hundred supporters & they're arranging a protest march.
Politicians, rather than stand up & be counted would rather make a wishy-washy speech about being "Un-British" to tell people what to wear. Being a politician these days seems to be all about the ability to make a speech & not offend anybody rather than stand up for what is right for the country & it's people. |
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"Because of spineless politicians. Birmingham Uni said it would ban it & so a small vocal group opposes it & then the usual rent a mob claims they will support them & before you know it within a couple of days there's a few hundred supporters & they're arranging a protest march.
Politicians, rather than stand up & be counted would rather make a wishy-washy speech about being "Un-British" to tell people what to wear. Being a politician these days seems to be all about the ability to make a speech & not offend anybody rather than stand up for what is right for the country & it's people. "
instead of enforcing our laws on all the of us good citizens the gov't seem to be adjusting the laws to suit the "visitors" but continue to enforce full laws on us!.
watering down our britishness and our way of life to suit the "visitors" instead of them adapting and integrating
into our society. |
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Hello Bertiebollocks,
""Un-British" to tell people what to wear"
Just what Mr Clegg said the other day, unfortunately he's forgotten about the man(I forget his name), a practising naturist who has been taken to court so many times for being nude. He's not allowed to wear what he wants, i.e. nothing.
I worked in the Middle East for eleven years and I was told the reason that the face must be covered was that in days of old, men claimed that their passions were so inflamed that they couldn't stop themselves having sex with any woman.The old, 'it's the woman's fault' We've banned that other cultural practice of clitoral circumcision, it's the same principle.
Alec
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"it can't be safe wearing these veils & headgear when driving a car on the roads,but for some strange reason it is allowed!,why?. "
Same must be said for people who wear "fashionable" hoodies, with the hoods up whilst driving. Bloody dangerous if you ask me! |
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Is this thread a joke?
Its just that it seems like the parody of a forum that Private Eye do every issue.
Just makes me glad none of you are in charge of fuck all, as thinking seems to make you go all patriotic for a country that doesn't care about you and a religion you've probably never participated in unless you were forced to.
I wear what I want, feel free to try and make me take off my cunning disguise. I'm off to rob a bank now dipshits. |
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"Is this thread a joke?
Its just that it seems like the parody of a forum that Private Eye do every issue.
Just makes me glad none of you are in charge of fuck all, as thinking seems to make you go all patriotic for a country that doesn't care about you and a religion you've probably never participated in unless you were forced to.
I wear what I want, feel free to try and make me take off my cunning disguise. I'm off to rob a bank now dipshits."
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"Is this thread a joke?
Its just that it seems like the parody of a forum that Private Eye do every issue.
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Looks that way.
If you want to be realistic about Burka's in this country, then you stress to Muslim women that IN THIS COUNTRY they have the right to remove them if they want to and that they have the right to divorce if their husbands aggressively deny them that right or any other. And that has been happening for years.
Do I care about seeing Darth Vader sporting a pair of tits down the shopping centre? No. Not my business.
Otherwise, fuck it, if you want to ban those, then ban all this black shit you're buying for your kids to cover their faces up when they hang around dark alleys and shop corners and causing property damage while nobody can tell them apart from any other doped up mongoloid teen.
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"on the flip side when in thier muslim countries should non-muslim women be forced to where the berka? Can you name one country where it is the law to wear the burka? Is there one?
Libiya, Gambia, Gahna... for a full list see the map on this page. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_by_country Some of them are large tourist nations too."
Been to Gambia twice and never once saw a woman wearing a Burkha |
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"Is this thread a joke?
Its just that it seems like the parody of a forum that Private Eye do every issue.
Looks that way.
If you want to be realistic about Burka's in this country, then you stress to Muslim women that IN THIS COUNTRY they have the right to remove them if they want to and that they have the right to divorce if their husbands aggressively deny them that right or any other. And that has been happening for years.
Do I care about seeing Darth Vader sporting a pair of tits down the shopping centre? No. Not my business.
Otherwise, fuck it, if you want to ban those, then ban all this black shit you're buying for your kids to cover their faces up when they hang around dark alleys and shop corners and causing property damage while nobody can tell them apart from any other doped up mongoloid teen.
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The Darth Vader bit reminds me of when I had a shop in Preston.
There were lots of burka (or whatever they want to call it) wearers regularly up and down the street. When one group met another they would all start chatting like long lost friends, but how the hell did they recognise each other? 
There was another one who was regularly on the street who wore very large glasses underneath, and she REALLY did look like Darth Vader. As I used to say to my employee at the time: "The force is strong in this one"  |
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"So as cited in the press there has been calls to ban the veil burkha etc in public. Especially airports and schools.
Think it's a great idea. Religion does not call for full face covering only the head. If they want to interact with UK society they should give it up.
There have been crimes committed by persons adopting the veil and teachers complain that interaction with pupils is harmed.
What do you think?"
It needs serious debate and points for concern taken into account along with people who feel the need to wear it. I would go so far as to let people wear them but limit where they can be worn so not in school exams and in airports etc. |
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if any country decides to make a law that requires all females to wear a Burka then all women should abide by that law, simplez, there are similar laws around the world, where bikinis etc cannot be worn in certain public areas. With the exception that those wearing attire required by their religion (nuns/monks for example) should be exempt as they would be in the UK, as the burka/veil is not a religious requirement it should be brought in line with UK policy on the wearing of hoodies or helmets. The law should cover all forms of attire which cover the face in certain "at risk" security areas or where it is deemed detrimental to UK well being ie schools.
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"I agree completely, when you live in uk, you should abide by the law of the uk, as we would if we visited or lived in another country with another law,
For effective communication, you need to see, and hear, so your face is very important"
especially when driving cars on roads,serving in supermarkrets/shops etc,going through airport passport controls,giving evidence in court etc etc etc |
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Just as there may be public uproar if legislation came in forcing people to wear garments, why should legislation prevent people choosing to wear them ?
Yes they should be removed in certain circumstances eg, court, at the request of someone with a lawful excuse to require it.
However I note some comments stating that they should abide by our countries laws ? Many of those choosing to wear garments were born in Britain and are British. Religion doesn't dictate nationality ? |
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interesting blog post in The Telegraph today
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100236076/the-debate-about-muslim-women-wearing-veils-is-not-complex-this-is-britain-and-in-britain-you-can-wear-what-you-want/
I agree with Dan Hodges. |
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a judge ruled today that a defendant wearing a niqad (i think thats how its spelt) is to remove it whilst giving evidence to allow the jury to be able to properly assess the evidence she is given. only those specifically required to will be able to see her by placement of a screen. she also had o remove it to allow a female officer to identify her.
i think that in certain places (court, banks (where people are not allowed to wear things like motor bike helmets...or balaclavas ) then it shouldn't be allowed.
not sure on the statistics for car crashes with people wearing a burka, niqad etc but i am sure if it is proven to be dangerous then it should be removed during this time. |
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"Is this thread a joke?
Its just that it seems like the parody of a forum that Private Eye do every issue.
Looks that way.
If you want to be realistic about Burka's in this country, then you stress to Muslim women that IN THIS COUNTRY they have the right to remove them if they want to and that they have the right to divorce if their husbands aggressively deny them that right or any other. And that has been happening for years.
Do I care about seeing Darth Vader sporting a pair of tits down the shopping centre? No. Not my business.
Otherwise, fuck it, if you want to ban those, then ban all this black shit you're buying for your kids to cover their faces up when they hang around dark alleys and shop corners and causing property damage while nobody can tell them apart from any other doped up mongoloid teen.
The Darth Vader bit reminds me of when I had a shop in Preston.
There were lots of burka (or whatever they want to call it) wearers regularly up and down the street. When one group met another they would all start chatting like long lost friends, but how the hell did they recognise each other?
There was another one who was regularly on the street who wore very large glasses underneath, and she REALLY did look like Darth Vader. As I used to say to my employee at the time: "The force is strong in this one" "
LOL that was funny, but I suppose they get to learn a lot about shape and body language |
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Hello Nice Couple,
To quote Dan Hodge, "But if we really must have a debate, here it is. This is Britain. We wear what we damn well like. Debate over."
No we cannot, in the UK, the police arrest those that wish to wear nothing, so to say we are free to chose our clothing is wrong and disingenuous.
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"Correct me if I'm wrong but... Isnt it just the niqab she has been asked to remove? My understanding is she can still wear the burqa."
to be honest, i dont know which bit is called what to be fair, she has to uncover her face in the court to allow the jury to read facial expressions etc when giving evidence |
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"Correct me if I'm wrong but... Isnt it just the niqab she has been asked to remove? My understanding is she can still wear the burqa.
to be honest, i dont know which bit is called what to be fair, she has to uncover her face in the court to allow the jury to read facial expressions etc when giving evidence"
I believe the niqab is the small square that covers the face and the burqa is the part that covers the head and body (to varying degrees)... |
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"Hello Nice Couple,
To quote Dan Hodge, "But if we really must have a debate, here it is. This is Britain. We wear what we damn well like. Debate over."
No we cannot, in the UK, the police arrest those that wish to wear nothing, so to say we are free to chose our clothing is wrong and disingenuous.
Alec"
But to wear nothing is not clothing. You are free to choose clothing, just not the lack of clothing. |
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"Correct me if I'm wrong but... Isnt it just the niqab she has been asked to remove? My understanding is she can still wear the burqa.
to be honest, i dont know which bit is called what to be fair, she has to uncover her face in the court to allow the jury to read facial expressions etc when giving evidence
I believe the niqab is the small square that covers the face and the burqa is the part that covers the head and body (to varying degrees)... "
i think maybe this is the issue. a lot of people are debating banning a garment they dont understand, me included bu i am willing to learn |
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"Yes I think banning them would be a good move. Some of the shops round ours you aren't allowed in with a hoody or cap on but if you got a veil on your allowed to go in.
Same with taking motorcycle helmet off in banks. Need get the fuckers on cctv like rest of us! "
I just stick on a baseball cap and sunglasses |
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"Correct me if I'm wrong but... Isnt it just the niqab she has been asked to remove? My understanding is she can still wear the burqa.
to be honest, i dont know which bit is called what to be fair, she has to uncover her face in the court to allow the jury to read facial expressions etc when giving evidence
I believe the niqab is the small square that covers the face and the burqa is the part that covers the head and body (to varying degrees)...
i think maybe this is the issue. a lot of people are debating banning a garment they dont understand, me included bu i am willing to learn"
Well I have no problem with the burqa as a garment. The motives for wearing it are a different story. But I would rather address the cause than the symptom.
I have issue with the niqab in certain situations. No differently than I would with a motor cycle helmet, those mouth masks cyclists wear etc. There are circumstances where you should not be remitted to conceal your face. But other than that... Dress how you want. |
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"Hello Nice Couple,
To quote Dan Hodge, "But if we really must have a debate, here it is. This is Britain. We wear what we damn well like. Debate over."
No we cannot, in the UK, the police arrest those that wish to wear nothing, so to say we are free to chose our clothing is wrong and disingenuous.
Alec"
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I take your point Alec but I still stand by the basic idea that we may broadly wear what we please, nudity is possibly a subject that would inspire as much debate as the veil in that some people would find it offensive. Also wearing nothing is not clothing  |
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"Hello Nice Couple,
To quote Dan Hodge, "But if we really must have a debate, here it is. This is Britain. We wear what we damn well like. Debate over."
No we cannot, in the UK, the police arrest those that wish to wear nothing, so to say we are free to chose our clothing is wrong and disingenuous.
Alec
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I take your point Alec but I still stand by the basic idea that we may broadly wear what we please, nudity is possibly a subject that would inspire as much debate as the veil in that some people would find it offensive. Also wearing nothing is not clothing "
That is not actually true though is it, many banks and post offices ban the wearing of hoodies or motorcycle helmets on the premises, a judge would certainly order the removal of these items in court and isn't there something in British justice or law about "facing your accusers ?
We came to an excellent compromise with Sikhs working on buses and in the armed forces whereby in the Armed Forces we passed regulations to make Turbans part of the uniform in Regimental Colours and for them to be worn OVER crash helmets on motorcycles and in regulation colours complete with badge for Police officers and bus conductors.
in your earlier post are you suggesting that as they were born in Britain the law does not apply and only those that are residing here as immigrants should abide by it, I don't understand that one, the rule applies to all, live here, visit here, born here not born here everyone should abide by UK law as we should abide by laws of other countries and if I was required to wear a burka and the other bits when visiting abroad I would do so or choose not to visit that Country. |
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"Made it a hat trick. Pictures of Gambian women without burkas.That's the 3 countries wiki says make the burka compulsory.What a great place to get information.NOT! "
You need to get out more mate! |
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I sometimes wear a saree, occasionally a kameeze, there are times I wear trousers, other times skirts, I have been known to wear a kimono too .... And yes, I have even worn a scarf on my head that covers a large part of my face.
Is that acceptable?
Oh and I don't follow a 'traditionally British' religion either, and to be frank about it I would be sorely dissapointed if I couldn't wear something because the Government says so. |
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honestly I see these forums sometimes and think...wow!
heres my thinking, I think its a bit weird, as I'm not religious that anyone should be covering their face, however I respect that as a choice...no matter what religion/culture its from
I could ban christening/baptisms if I was in power, male circumcision and a whole lot of other things..and eventually become some sort of utopian fascist perfecto
To be honest its all sounding a bit like "well he looked like a criminal"(or in this case "cant see the face..its a terrorist")
anyway be careful what u wish for, laws are designed to encompass all people living here...u might find with certain laws imposed that they will take away some of our already established laws..
anyway..I think I have my Halloween outfit sorted..not too sure if I will grab the train mind |
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I take your point Alec but I still stand by the basic idea that we may broadly wear what we please, nudity is possibly a subject that would inspire as much debate as the veil in that some people would find it offensive. Also wearing nothing is not clothing
That is not actually true though is it, many banks and post offices ban the wearing of hoodies or motorcycle helmets on the premises, a judge would certainly order the removal of these items in court and isn't there something in British justice or law about "facing your accusers ?
We came to an excellent compromise with Sikhs working on buses and in the armed forces whereby in the Armed Forces we passed regulations to make Turbans part of the uniform in Regimental Colours and for them to be worn OVER crash helmets on motorcycles and in regulation colours complete with badge for Police officers and bus conductors.
in your earlier post are you suggesting that as they were born in Britain the law does not apply and only those that are residing here as immigrants should abide by it, I don't understand that one, the rule applies to all, live here, visit here, born here not born here everyone should abide by UK law as we should abide by laws of other countries and if I was required to wear a burka and the other bits when visiting abroad I would do so or choose not to visit that Country."
I think you're getting me mixed up with someone else I suggested nothing of the sort. |
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