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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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A person I used to count as a very close friend has been claiming every benefit available to them on the grounds of being long-term unemployed, and has been doing some very lucrative cash-in-hand work. I found out recently that they "earn" over twice what I do - they've bought a new car and been on several holidays that I could never hope to afford. Should I report them, or live and let live? What would you do? The person also has a history of violence, so I'm not keen on confronting them myself. |
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By *irtyDee33Woman
over a year ago
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Report them!!!! It's people like that that annoys me so much!!!!
I claim because my son is disabled and am looking for work, I did work a while back a few hours a week but still declared it!!!!
Nobody has to know it was you x |
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It isn't benefit fraudsters that cause others to live in poverty, it's world politics.
However, that said they are breaking the law.
If you want to report them do it.
How did you find out that they earn double what you do ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A person I used to count as a very close friend has been claiming every benefit available to them on the grounds of being long-term unemployed, and has been doing some very lucrative cash-in-hand work. I found out recently that they "earn" over twice what I do - they've bought a new car and been on several holidays that I could never hope to afford. Should I report them, or live and let live? What would you do? The person also has a history of violence, so I'm not keen on confronting them myself."
You can do it anonymously I did |
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Report. Give as much info as possible. If you know days / times of work or leaving house to work this will help if they want to watch her.
Car details also if you know it.
The more info you give better chance of being prosecuted. Its all annon |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It isn't benefit fraudsters that cause others to live in poverty, it's world politics.
However, that said they are breaking the law.
If you want to report them do it.
How did you find out that they earn double what you do ? "
They quite blatantly told me what they earn - this person is not ashamed of doing it at all. That's why I no longer consider them to be a friend. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If the 'employment' is a new and possibly temporary matter then I would say leave them to it but if they are systematic abusers of the welfare system report them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Maybe just me thinks you sound a tad jealous. God knows most people have a sideline nowadays to make ends meet. The ones making the laws are the biggest culprits. The amount of unclaimed benefit is somewhere around 30 million whilst benefit fraud costs a fraction of that.
That said im a vindictive cunt so id probably grass them! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Report them..you dont have to give any of your details...i work all the hours god sends,my tax bill annually is enormous,and its not for them to lavish themselves with new cars etc...Give me their details,i wont lose any sleep in reporting them. |
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"i dont agree with what they are doing but i wouldnt report them maybe someone else will, also i think they might find out it was you."
How would they find out? This ostrich reaction is what let's people get away with things for so long. In this case benefit fraud, in other cases much worse. |
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OP, does sound like your friendship ended when you found out what they were earning..?
did that happen overnight or were you aware they were on the fiddle before but not how much by..?
personally I would keep out of it..
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's wrong that someone who doesn't work can have a higher income of someone who works that's what's wrong with this country and regards to your dilemma I think you know what's right and what's not so the choice is yours |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Should I report them, or live and let live? What would you do? The person also has a history of violence, so I'm not keen on confronting them myself."
Yep. Google 'National Benefit Fraud Hotline' and the number will come up. All info you give is anonymous and the SS - sorry, DSS!  - will do all the investigating themselves. YOU won't ever be named or have to go to court or anything.
What they are doing is illegal and cheating honest, hard working people who pay tax - and who probably 'earn' a lot less than they do.
Shop the fucker!!!
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I am on benifits i am epeltic and before anybody starts nobody has ever had to hit me over the head with a frying pan lol .I fell off my bike a few years ago and bashed my head and it just started i get two hundred pound a month .I had a fit in the street and somebody robbed me before calling an ambulance i now never go out unless im with my hubby which is hard because he works away a lot .We no a man that lives in a house wfere he gets three meals a day and his rent paid pretends hes got a mental health problem ,when he wants more money he is at the benifit office every week .He gets four hundre snd eighty pound a month and allways want more ,i worked hard untill i got ill but still feel bad about takeing the money but without it we wouldnt survive , forgive my spelling if its wrong pills affect my memoery |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I reported a neighbour of mine a few years ago for working and claiming benefits. She never found out it was me. Why should they be able to get away with it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Report them anonymously, but becareful things don't backfire and they find out who complained. Report it and carry on as normal, act shocked when they tell you about it and then end your friendship. People like him/her should be publicly named and shamed so everyone in surrounding areas knows what they have done as people who are working have to work to pay for their benefits and secondly the ones who genuinely need/deserve benefits are having theirs cut/stopped as there is no money left to go around because of fraudsters. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Report them anonymously, but becareful things don't backfire and they find out who complained. Report it and carry on as normal, act shocked when they tell you about it and then end your friendship. People like him/her should be publicly named and shamed so everyone in surrounding areas knows what they have done as people who are working have to work to pay for their benefits and secondly the ones who genuinely need/deserve benefits are having theirs cut/stopped as there is no money left to go around because of fraudsters. "
How will they find out? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Maybe just me thinks you sound a tad jealous. God knows most people have a sideline nowadays to make ends meet. The ones making the laws are the biggest culprits. The amount of unclaimed benefit is somewhere around 30 million whilst benefit fraud costs a fraction of that.
That said im a vindictive cunt so id probably grass them!"
You're quite right - I am jealous, which is part of my dilemma. They've been doing this for over 10 years, and I thought they were self-employed but they told me a few months back what they were doing, and were quite cocky about it when they were showing off their new car. They weren't as close a friend as I thought. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maybe just me thinks you sound a tad jealous. God knows most people have a sideline nowadays to make ends meet. The ones making the laws are the biggest culprits. The amount of unclaimed benefit is somewhere around 30 million whilst benefit fraud costs a fraction of that.
That said im a vindictive cunt so id probably grass them!
You're quite right - I am jealous, which is part of my dilemma. They've been doing this for over 10 years, and I thought they were self-employed but they told me a few months back what they were doing, and were quite cocky about it when they were showing off their new car. They weren't as close a friend as I thought."
Well if they were quite happy to tell you, I'm pretty sure they would have bragged to others too so I wouldn't have any qualms about shopping them! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"That's why I no longer consider them to be a friend."
In that case, report the crap out of them!! Folks like this make my blood boil, especially if they are so blatant about what they are doing.  |
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I agree report them. We have reported 2 or 3 people...
What concerns me is the fact you were happy to have friends with a history of violence and that's ok whilst you were friends. We personally wouldn't be friends with a violent person... |
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"I would stay out of it, if they are blatant then their arrogance will be their downfall
Yes, and they find out in the end dont they.  "
how will they find out unless the OP goes round gobbing off about it??? its an ANONYMOUS service  |
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"the ones who genuinely need/deserve benefits are having theirs cut/stopped as there is no money left to go around because of fraudsters. "
there is plenty of money to 'go around', its Politically expedient to paint a picture that the benefits system is dragging us down the toilet when in reality the actual benefits bill is tiny compared with eg. pensions ..
the whole welfare bill of which benefits is a part is a drop in the ocean compared to tax dodging etc..
there's so much money the Government are happy to pay millions in profit to private companies who have by and large not done what their remit was ..
and to waste £30 million on a failed IT scheme for the 'new' benefits scheme..
Osborne has his war chest all waiting to bribe voters etc..
as for naming and shaming, as usual there is only one side of a story here..
and as usual folks on here are happy to be judge and jury etc..
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Maybe just me thinks you sound a tad jealous. God knows most people have a sideline nowadays to make ends meet. The ones making the laws are the biggest culprits. The amount of unclaimed benefit is somewhere around 30 million whilst benefit fraud costs a fraction of that.
That said im a vindictive cunt so id probably grass them!
You're quite right - I am jealous, which is part of my dilemma. They've been doing this for over 10 years, and I thought they were self-employed but they told me a few months back what they were doing, and were quite cocky about it when they were showing off their new car. They weren't as close a friend as I thought."
Regardless of whether your motivation is jealous or a more moral decision, I'm failing to see a good reason not to report them.
10 years of benefit fraud is a huge amount of money and at a level of seriousness where a custodial is likely. This persons motives are pure greed, if they were desperate then I could possibly understand your dilema.
Interesting though that considering the right wing rhetoric that tends to fuel any threads on here about benefits, which inevitably tend to label people as frauds, scroungers and cheats, that so few on here see reporting a self-confessed cheat as the right thing to do. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Mind your own business,
It doesn't affect you personally or financially.
Why drop someone in the shit because of jealousy.
If you are unhappy about the system, try changing it, 
It is almost like reporting people here, because you think they are rude, or say something you don't like,
Concentrate on your life, your career, your future, and look how you can earn more, rather than worry about other people.
What you give out, you always get back, that goes for people commiting fraud. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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report them they dont deserve it and us that work are paying for it
it might not do any good as i repoted my ex wife as having 24000 in the bank from transfer of our house but her mum claimed it was momey owe to her so the bitch gets to keep it
some benifits should be much harder to get |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Mind your own business,
It doesn't affect you personally or financially.
Why drop someone in the shit because of jealousy.
If you are unhappy about the system, try changing it,
It is almost like reporting people here, because you think they are rude, or say something you don't like,
Concentrate on your life, your career, your future, and look how you can earn more, rather than worry about other people.
What you give out, you always get back, that goes for people commiting fraud. "
Benefit fraud affects all of us!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maybe just me thinks you sound a tad jealous. God knows most people have a sideline nowadays to make ends meet. The ones making the laws are the biggest culprits. The amount of unclaimed benefit is somewhere around 30 million whilst benefit fraud costs a fraction of that.
That said im a vindictive cunt so id probably grass them!
You're quite right - I am jealous, which is part of my dilemma. They've been doing this for over 10 years, and I thought they were self-employed but they told me a few months back what they were doing, and were quite cocky about it when they were showing off their new car. They weren't as close a friend as I thought.
Regardless of whether your motivation is jealous or a more moral decision, I'm failing to see a good reason not to report them.
10 years of benefit fraud is a huge amount of money and at a level of seriousness where a custodial is likely. This persons motives are pure greed, if they were desperate then I could possibly understand your dilema.
Interesting though that considering the right wing rhetoric that tends to fuel any threads on here about benefits, which inevitably tend to label people as frauds, scroungers and cheats, that so few on here see reporting a self-confessed cheat as the right thing to do."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I agree with surreysensual and louison. You know the situation best and we don't know the reasons why they are on long term sick. It can be a hard way to live so think carefully before you make a decision either way. |
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"Name me one company who doesn't use tax avoidance schemes,
And were talking millions, not thousands."
tax avoidance through legal loopholes, whilst annoying isn't fraud is it?
joe public doesnt have much they can do about big companies other than not use their products. they can do something about someone defrauding the government of money that hard working people pay in taxes every year.
If he is claimig benefits while working you can bet he isnt paying tax while working - why should he be allowed to do that? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Name me one company who doesn't use tax avoidance schemes,
And were talking millions, not thousands.
tax avoidance through legal loopholes, whilst annoying isn't fraud is it?
joe public doesnt have much they can do about big companies other than not use their products. they can do something about someone defrauding the government of money that hard working people pay in taxes every year.
If he is claimig benefits while working you can bet he isnt paying tax while working - why should he be allowed to do that?"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Name me one company who doesn't use tax avoidance schemes,
And were talking millions, not thousands.
tax avoidance through legal loopholes, whilst annoying isn't fraud is it?
joe public doesnt have much they can do about big companies other than not use their products. they can do something about someone defrauding the government of money that hard working people pay in taxes every year.
If he is claimig benefits while working you can bet he isnt paying tax while working - why should he be allowed to do that?"
That's the sad thing about the system. It allows the wealthy to manipulate it and the not so well off to be punished easier. Using loopholes may not be fraud legally speaking but is it more moral to use them? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Personally the only person(s) I would inform on if I knew for certain they were at it would be a sex offender. Anything else is absolutely nothing to do with me I earn my own money legally and like to sleep well at night. |
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"Name me one company who doesn't use tax avoidance schemes,
And were talking millions, not thousands.
tax avoidance through legal loopholes, whilst annoying isn't fraud is it?
joe public doesnt have much they can do about big companies other than not use their products. they can do something about someone defrauding the government of money that hard working people pay in taxes every year.
If he is claimig benefits while working you can bet he isnt paying tax while working - why should he be allowed to do that?
That's the sad thing about the system. It allows the wealthy to manipulate it and the not so well off to be punished easier. Using loopholes may not be fraud legally speaking but is it more moral to use them?"
not saying it is moral, i think the government need to do more to close loopholes and force correct tax payment but that's not what this thread is about.
i have no issue with people claiming benefits when they are needed but to claim them when you are fit to and indeed do work is taking the piss. if we all did this the tax we pay (which is high now) would be astronomical |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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i have no issue with people claiming benefits when they are needed but to claim them when you are fit to and indeed do work is taking the piss. if we all did this the tax we pay (which is high now) would be astronomical"
A lot of people who are fit and able to work DO in fact claim benefits when they don't need them. |
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i have no issue with people claiming benefits when they are needed but to claim them when you are fit to and indeed do work is taking the piss. if we all did this the tax we pay (which is high now) would be astronomical
A lot of people who are fit and able to work DO in fact claim benefits when they don't need them."
I know |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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i have no issue with people claiming benefits when they are needed but to claim them when you are fit to and indeed do work is taking the piss. if we all did this the tax we pay (which is high now) would be astronomical
A lot of people who are fit and able to work DO in fact claim benefits when they don't need them.
I know "
That should have read 'claim benefits legally' |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Interesting to note the OP complaint isn't 'this is defrauding the system and depriving the country of money', it's 'he's got a nicer car than me'.
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This is one of the main reasons for my dilemma whether to report them or not. Yes, I am undeniably jealous of their wealth, but I also have a modicum of social conscience. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Interesting to note the OP complaint isn't 'this is defrauding the system and depriving the country of money', it's 'he's got a nicer car than me'.
This is one of the main reasons for my dilemma whether to report them or not. Yes, I am undeniably jealous of their wealth, but I also have a modicum of social conscience. "
Ah. A LibDem. |
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"I am on benifits i am epeltic and before anybody starts nobody has ever had to hit me over the head with a frying pan lol .I fell off my bike a few years ago and bashed my head and it just started i get two hundred pound a month .I had a fit in the street and somebody robbed me before calling an ambulance i now never go out unless im with my hubby which is hard because he works away a lot .We no a man that lives in a house wfere he gets three meals a day and his rent paid pretends hes got a mental health problem ,when he wants more money he is at the benifit office every week .He gets four hundre snd eighty pound a month and allways want more ,i worked hard untill i got ill but still feel bad about takeing the money but without it we wouldnt survive , forgive my spelling if its wrong pills affect my memoery "
What has your medical condition which entitles you to benefits got to do with reporting alleged benefit cheats? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I agree report them. We have reported 2 or 3 people...
What concerns me is the fact you were happy to have friends with a history of violence and that's ok whilst you were friends. We personally wouldn't be friends with a violent person..."
My definition of "close friend" may have been a bit off the mark. I didn't know about their violent history either. They became a friend after being a friend of a friend etc |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"OP, does sound like your friendship ended when you found out what they were earning..?
did that happen overnight or were you aware they were on the fiddle before but not how much by..?
personally I would keep out of it..
Stay out of it...there are too many 'eyes' of the greedy leaders out there already.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"report them they dont deserve it and us that work are paying for it
it might not do any good as i repoted my ex wife as having 24000 in the bank from transfer of our house but her mum claimed it was momey owe to her so the bitch gets to keep it
some benifits should be much harder to get"
This post states more negativity about you than it does your ex, who cannot defend herself. Guess what, she'd be able to keep it however she got it. No doubt her benefits were affected though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not saying I ever have but wasn't there a time when doing a bit of moonlighting was giving the finger to the greedy Tories? Or the only choice some had. See episode 1 of Boys from the Black Stuff, etc
And 'whistle blow' isn't it? Not 'report'. Of maybe 'bubble' or 'grass up'  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Interesting to note the OP complaint isn't 'this is defrauding the system and depriving the country of money', it's 'he's got a nicer car than me'.
This is one of the main reasons for my dilemma whether to report them or not. Yes, I am undeniably jealous of their wealth, but I also have a modicum of social conscience. "
You report them plain and simple! All the bs reasons for not reporting are frankly questionable as to why people come out with them and I am not sure if its not wanting to have it done to them or they are the sort who walk across the street if they see someone being picked on. If everyone took their civil duty more seriously, reported things they new to be wrong how many millions would be saves in fraud and paying people to look for cheats. In my opinion there is no circumstance at all that justify not reporting when you have knowledge and facts to justify doing so. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Interesting to note the OP complaint isn't 'this is defrauding the system and depriving the country of money', it's 'he's got a nicer car than me'.
This is one of the main reasons for my dilemma whether to report them or not. Yes, I am undeniably jealous of their wealth, but I also have a modicum of social conscience.
Ah. A LibDem."
I have no political affiliations - I vote for whoever says the best things at the right times. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Hate to be harsh an don't really mean this that way but its not your business so if it was me id keep my nose right out of it. Ppl get shot for grassing where I come from  "
Aren't crimes and their prevention where possible everyone's business? No action can be taken against a criminal until someone with good conscience speaks out, whether it's anonymously or in front of a jury. If I report them, I know it would ruin their life, which I don't want to do to anyone. If this person carries on what they're doing, they may well come to a much stickier end than my reporting them, and I wouldn't want that either. Sometimes, doing nothing is worse than doing something. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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sorry for this but i think you are jealous.if you want to grass on some one.grass on the government they are the biggest criminals and they get away with a lot of things.the government rips every one of in the uk and the people still vote them in.jealousy gets you no were |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Ah. A LibDem.
I have no political affiliations - I vote for whoever says the best things at the right times.
The best things for you?
A LibDem."
Is being called a LibDem an insult? I'm not really into politics that much -probably just like a LibDem |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"sorry for this but i think you are jealous.if you want to grass on some one.grass on the government they are the biggest criminals and they get away with a lot of things.the government rips every one of in the uk and the people still vote them in.jealousy gets you no were "
I've admitted I am jealous a few posts above, and I know there are are worse crimes being committed. You're right as well - jealousy gets me nowhere, but it may even help this person in the long run. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"sorry for this but i think you are jealous.if you want to grass on some one.grass on the government they are the biggest criminals and they get away with a lot of things.the government rips every one of in the uk and the people still vote them in.jealousy gets you no were "
We all crack up at Only Fools and Horses. They were a direct mirror of the government of the time: selling off things which didn't belong to them for short term profit and gain, etc. Some things don't change  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The person is doing wrong and deserves to be punished no doubt about it.
I have two questions for you regarding this.
Would you be thinking about reporting a close friend if they had done it?
If the person did not have the new car and holidays would it be as much of an issue? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What's jealousy have to do with anything. Its immoral and illegal. Can think of another example where jealousy could come into play, but the law is the law at the end of the day and why should people suffer because of some scrounger |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The person is doing wrong and deserves to be punished no doubt about it.
I have two questions for you regarding this.
Would you be thinking about reporting a close friend if they had done it?
If the person did not have the new car and holidays would it be as much of an issue?"
I'll have to amend my description of "close friend" to "person I know very well". The new car, the holidays and them bragging to me about how they got them are what caused the issue. |
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Report for sure. If they investigate and find its all ok then fine. But if he is stopped then its one more leech felt with. And you can look yourself in the mirror knowing you have done the right thing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The person is doing wrong and deserves to be punished no doubt about it.
I have two questions for you regarding this.
Would you be thinking about reporting a close friend if they had done it?
If the person did not have the new car and holidays would it be as much of an issue?
I'll have to amend my description of "close friend" to "person I know very well". The new car, the holidays and them bragging to me about how they got them are what caused the
issue."
I understand what you are saying but if a close friend of yours had done the same thing withour bragging would you be considering reporting them? |
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"The person is doing wrong and deserves to be punished no doubt about it.
I have two questions for you regarding this.
Would you be thinking about reporting a close friend if they had done it?
If the person did not have the new car and holidays would it be as much of an issue?
I'll have to amend my description of "close friend" to "person I know very well". The new car, the holidays and them bragging to me about how they got them are what caused the
issue.
I understand what you are saying but if a close friend of yours had done the same thing withour bragging would you be considering reporting them?"
If I had found out in another way, yes, but I'm still only considering. There seems to be a lot in favour of either reporting or not. |
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there is a benefit fraud hotline that is completely anonymous...so really it's up to you whether you choose to report or turn a blind eye...
I know what I would do, but then again I used to be a Fraud Investigator for the Benefits Agency so maybe I'm a tad biased  |
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Someone I work with recently reported an ex as a means of getting over them. When feelings (be it love, lust, jealousy or whatever) are involved, it's never a good idea.
Just assume that they will get whats coming to them. What kind of friendship do you have if you are prepared to do this behind their back? |
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"You could always choose better friends,and mind your own business.
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They are just following the example of the thieves in charge."
I didn't really choose them as a friend - they became a "friend" through association. If the person was a rapist, should I really "mind my own business" or is the nature of the crime the salient point? |
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"You could always choose better friends,and mind your own business.
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They are just following the example of the thieves in charge."
if your np jumped off a cliff would you do the same. We need to take more moral _iews in this country if we all shopped a benifit fraudster then the Benifit wouldn't be in such a state. Saying well they are doing it so I can is an awful attitude to have. But sadly one that is too common |
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"Someone I work with recently reported an ex as a means of getting over them. When feelings (be it love, lust, jealousy or whatever) are involved, it's never a good idea.
Just assume that they will get whats coming to them. What kind of friendship do you have if you are prepared to do this behind their back?"
No kind of friendship at all anymore, but still a close affiliation - I can't really say more than that. And they might get worse coming to them if I do nothing. |
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at the end of the day should this be a discussion for a thread on a swingers forum? and should all these 'holier than thou' people be allowed to pass judgement on something when it is obvious you are holding information back...if you are procrastinating on whether to report or not I would say don't do it as if they got caught and either sent to jail or had to pay a hefty fine then that would be on your conscience forever...
ideally it would be better if these people were not friends but just someone you knew through a friend of a friend...at least that way you would be emotionally removed from the guilt trip that will undoubtedly follow |
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"You could always choose better friends,and mind your own business.
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They are just following the example of the thieves in charge.if your np jumped off a cliff would you do the same. We need to take more moral _iews in this country if we all shopped a benifit fraudster then the Benifit wouldn't be in such a state. Saying well they are doing it so I can is an awful attitude to have. But sadly one that is too common"
Maybe if those in charge behaved honestly then so would others.
Making false claims for expenses is no different than falsely claiming benefits.
Why should they hold some kind of moral ground when they are plain and simply THIEVES.
If its ok for them,then its ok for everyone. |
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"at the end of the day should this be a discussion for a thread on a swingers forum? and should all these 'holier than thou' people be allowed to pass judgement on something when it is obvious you are holding information back...if you are procrastinating on whether to report or not I would say don't do it as if they got caught and either sent to jail or had to pay a hefty fine then that would be on your conscience forever...
ideally it would be better if these people were not friends but just someone you knew through a friend of a friend...at least that way you would be emotionally removed from the guilt trip that will undoubtedly follow"
For the first part of your post, this is The Lounge - "The lounge is for general chat and discussion" - there is a Swingers Chat forum for those not interested. As for my procrastination, would you offer the same advice if the crime was a child rape, or is it just because it's "only benefit fraud"? Should I or you decide when a crime is a crime? |
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"at the end of the day should this be a discussion for a thread on a swingers forum? and should all these 'holier than thou' people be allowed to pass judgement on something when it is obvious you are holding information back...if you are procrastinating on whether to report or not I would say don't do it as if they got caught and either sent to jail or had to pay a hefty fine then that would be on your conscience forever...
ideally it would be better if these people were not friends but just someone you knew through a friend of a friend...at least that way you would be emotionally removed from the guilt trip that will undoubtedly follow
For the first part of your post, this is The Lounge - "The lounge is for general chat and discussion" - there is a Swingers Chat forum for those not interested. As for my procrastination, would you offer the same advice if the crime was a child rape, or is it just because it's "only benefit fraud"? Should I or you decide when a crime is a crime?"
as I mentioned earlier, I am an ex benefit fraud officer so I would have no qualms about reporting them..and it never is 'only benefit fraud'! as with most crimes (which is what benefit fraud is classed as) it has far reaching effects! |
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Put in a report...if evidence is found then they deserve to be prosecuted for playing the system. Yes the system has faults but that doesn't excuse someone knowingly exploiting it for luxuries that some people (myself included) simply can't afford despite working full time.
As for the whole 'the government are thieves anyway' excuse...would you all wander into Starbucks and take whatever you wanted because they didn't pay taxes until they had to bow down to customer/media pressure? It's essentially the same argument |
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"Put in a report...if evidence is found then they deserve to be prosecuted for playing the system. Yes the system has faults but that doesn't excuse someone knowingly exploiting it for luxuries that some people (myself included) simply can't afford despite working full time.
As for the whole 'the government are thieves anyway' excuse...would you all wander into Starbucks and take whatever you wanted because they didn't pay taxes until they had to bow down to customer/media pressure? It's essentially the same argument "
Since when has not being legally liable for tax been the same as making false expenses claims.
If it is then Great Britain will soon have lots of overfull jails. |
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Firstly they were described as close friends,then corrected as friends of a friend. Despite only being say casual friends,they took it upon themselves to tell you about cheating the system for the last 10 years or so ? |
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all this 'they are only doing what the thieving gvernment are doing' bollocks pisses me off
when did 2 wrongs make a right anyway???
we get it, the government is crooked - but when has it ever been straight?? |
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"People love a snitch I hear
not fair, this isn't the school playground we're talking about. "
We all gonna start grassing each other up then? Or are we all saints on this site |
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"Personally the only person(s) I would inform on if I knew for certain they were at it would be a sex offender. Anything else is absolutely nothing to do with me I earn my own money legally and like to sleep well at night. "
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"Put in a report...if evidence is found then they deserve to be prosecuted for playing the system. Yes the system has faults but that doesn't excuse someone knowingly exploiting it for luxuries that some people (myself included) simply can't afford despite working full time.
As for the whole 'the government are thieves anyway' excuse...would you all wander into Starbucks and take whatever you wanted because they didn't pay taxes until they had to bow down to customer/media pressure? It's essentially the same argument
Since when has not being legally liable for tax been the same as making false expenses claims.
If it is then Great Britain will soon have lots of overfull jails."
I missed where I referred directly to MP's making false claims...probably because I didn't! I was referring more to the general theme of 'the government screw up over so what's the difference' which seems to be running through the thread. Why should a benefit cheat get away with it just because others are doing something similar...especially when I know people who are having to jump through hoops to prove they are worthy of benefits that others steal because they know how to answer the questions on the survey in the right way to get money they don't need |
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We should all be the eyes and ears of The State....Im coming to yours to check what your putting in the recycling bin, ID cards, Im telling everyone your on FAB ?...even The Police hate a "coppers nark" informant. |
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"We should all be the eyes and ears of The State....Im coming to yours to check what your putting in the recycling bin, ID cards, Im telling everyone your on FAB ?...even The Police hate a "coppers nark" informant."
none of that is breaking the law though is it??? |
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"People love a snitch I hear
not fair, this isn't the school playground we're talking about.
We all gonna start grassing each other up then? Or are we all saints on this site"
So if I saw someone stealing your money I should keep quiet?
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"Firstly they were described as close friends,then corrected as friends of a friend. Despite only being say casual friends,they took it upon themselves to tell you about cheating the system for the last 10 years or so ? "
As I have said above, my definition of what constitutes a "close friend" may not be the same as other peoples' definition - I don't really think it matters in this case. I know them, they know me, we have had a drink together, but we've never declared undying love or respect for each other. I believe that they told me about their crime because A) in this respect but not others, they're not the sharpest chisel in the toolbox, and B) they believe it's their right to do what they do, on the same basis that some have mentioned above "the government and big businesses do it, so why shouldn't I?" |
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"People love a snitch I hear
not fair, this isn't the school playground we're talking about. "
in general I would agree but every now and then it takes on some of the less appealing elements of said.. |
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"Firstly they were described as close friends,then corrected as friends of a friend. Despite only being say casual friends,they took it upon themselves to tell you about cheating the system for the last 10 years or so ?
As I have said above, my definition of what constitutes a "close friend" may not be the same as other peoples' definition - I don't really think it matters in this case. I know them, they know me, we have had a drink together, but we've never declared undying love or respect for each other. I believe that they told me about their crime because A) in this respect but not others, they're not the sharpest chisel in the toolbox, and B) they believe it's their right to do what they do, on the same basis that some have mentioned above "the government and big businesses do it, so why shouldn't I?""
So this "close friend" is someone you know down the pub? Ever considered that it's just bullshit? It seems unlikely that they've been falsely claiming for 10 years, not being particularly discreet about it but managing to get away with it? |
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"People love a snitch I hear
not fair, this isn't the school playground we're talking about.
in general I would agree but every now and then it takes on some of the less appealing elements of said.."
I am in two minds about reporting benefit cheats for a lot of reasons but if I had a solid objection to it I hope it would be based in something more than no one likes a snitch. |
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"ok not against the law, so it would be ok if I became a pigeon and informed your neighbours and family your on FAB ?"
again, not against the law so id just think you were a petty man and tell people you were put out because i wouldnt fuck you - situation sorted.
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"I would stay out of it, if they are blatant then their arrogance will be their downfall
Yes, and they find out in the end dont they. "
You can report anonymously and they will never find out. Everyone staying out of things is why people get away with things...if you see wrong then do something. |
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"Firstly they were described as close friends,then corrected as friends of a friend. Despite only being say casual friends,they took it upon themselves to tell you about cheating the system for the last 10 years or so ?
As I have said above, my definition of what constitutes a "close friend" may not be the same as other peoples' definition - I don't really think it matters in this case. I know them, they know me, we have had a drink together, but we've never declared undying love or respect for each other. I believe that they told me about their crime because A) in this respect but not others, they're not the sharpest chisel in the toolbox, and B) they believe it's their right to do what they do, on the same basis that some have mentioned above "the government and big businesses do it, so why shouldn't I?"
So this "close friend" is someone you know down the pub? Ever considered that it's just bullshit? It seems unlikely that they've been falsely claiming for 10 years, not being particularly discreet about it but managing to get away with it?"
I don't know why people are obsessing on how a close a friend this is or isn't - how specific would you like me to be? Where I'm from "we've had a drink together" means a lot more than just an acquaintance from the pub. People from other cultures may say "we have broken bread together" and it would mean similar. If I wasn't absolutely certain that this person is committing this crime, and has been for many years, I wouldn't even question it, let alone think of reporting it. |
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"Personally the only person(s) I would inform on if I knew for certain they were at it would be a sex offender. Anything else is absolutely nothing to do with me I earn my own money legally and like to sleep well at night. "
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its a tough choose . depends if his person is boosting to others about it so less easy to track back to you
are they working for a company or self employed? |
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Well, thank you all for your input, suggestions and threats! A quick count shows approximately 31 in favour of reporting, 6 in favour of not reporting and 6 non-committal. |
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"There's no doubt - report them
They are not entitled and with benefits being cut are taking from those who need the cash
or so the story goes"
Very true!!! |
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"There's no doubt - report them
They are not entitled and with benefits being cut are taking from those who need the cash"
I think that gets to the crux on the matter. So many areas are having cuts from library's to pensioners and day centres. Do people really think what can only be referred to selfish greedy fraudsters shouldn't be shopped in the interests of the truly needy in society. Sometimes peoples _iewpoints on illegal activity behaviour is unbelievable. |
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"Report. Give as much info as possible. If you know days / times of work or leaving house to work this will help if they want to watch her.
Car details also if you know it.
The more info you give better chance of being prosecuted. Its all annon"
Haven't got to end of thread but how do you deduce from OP that the person/s is a she? |
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"Well, thank you all for your input, suggestions and threats! A quick count shows approximately 31 in favour of reporting, 6 in favour of not reporting and 6 non-committal."
do you think those numbers would be the same if folks could make a decision based on hearing both sides..
pretty sure you and I know I would also expect that if we were the 'one in the frame' we would have our say..
just a thought.. |
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"It isn't benefit fraudsters that cause others to live in poverty, it's world politics.
However, that said they are breaking the law.
If you want to report them do it.
How did you find out that they earn double what you do ? "
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"Report them why should us as a tax payer pay for them I wonder if they sit and think where the money comes from us mugs working !!!! "
I'll even go far to say. If a guilty person is found guilty. The person who reported them should be rewarded as they have saved the government a lot of money and stored a little faith in society as it shows you have to be ill, retired or a worker to get by and people on the street will be happy knowing that. |
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They will get caught out eventually if they are getting finance say for car, other things on credit that's how people get caught as all info gets cross matched on dwp data bass so even if you getting sky tv that will show too.
I don't agree with it as I work long unsociable hours 6 some times 7 days a week, mr works long hour 6 days a week, so hate the idea of my taxes being spent on scratch cards, alcohol and what ever other luxuries x |
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"Well, thank you all for your input, suggestions and threats! A quick count shows approximately 31 in favour of reporting, 6 in favour of not reporting and 6 non-committal.
do you think those numbers would be the same if folks could make a decision based on hearing both sides..
pretty sure you and I know I would also expect that if we were the 'one in the frame' we would have our say..
just a thought.. "
Ok, fair enough - the facts are person X is claiming benefits, and working cash in hand jobs. These are facts that I am 100% sure of, confirmed by person X themselves. There are no mitigating circumstances - the person is reasonably intelligent, physically and mentally fit and knows exactly what they're doing. If you were person X, and "in the frame", what would be your justification? |
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"There's no doubt - report them
They are not entitled and with benefits being cut are taking from those who need the cash
I think that gets to the crux on the matter. So many areas are having cuts from library's to pensioners and day centres. Do people really think what can only be referred to selfish greedy fraudsters shouldn't be shopped in the interests of the truly needy in society. Sometimes peoples _iewpoints on illegal activity behaviour is unbelievable. "
what percentage of people fiddling the system do you think it will take before HMG say they will reverse the cuts..
and that surely must include, anyone who has had a 'cash' job done or does them, anyone 'rounding' up their mileage or expenses..
the tax evaders etc
some of the most deserving have been and are being treated atrociously by this Government in their 'reforms'..
thinking outside the box why don't the Government bring the assessment procedure back in house and the money that is not being given to shareholders is used to employ more people to catch fraudsters and tax evaders..?
yeh, like fuck would they..
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"Maybe just me thinks you sound a tad jealous. God knows most people have a sideline nowadays to make ends meet. The ones making the laws are the biggest culprits. The amount of unclaimed benefit is somewhere around 30 million whilst benefit fraud costs a fraction of that.
That said im a vindictive cunt so id probably grass them!
You're quite right - I am jealous, which is part of my dilemma. They've been doing this for over 10 years, and I thought they were self-employed but they told me a few months back what they were doing, and were quite cocky about it when they were showing off their new car. They weren't as close a friend as I thought."
hmm, would you be contemplating "grassing them up" if they were screwing the system, but earning LESS than you ?
Your moral compass seems totally skewed to me, perhaps hou should suggest to the fraudster your silence over their misdemeanour could be bought, they keep screwing the system, you get a slice to balance out both your incomes, new car/holiday, job done !
Unbelievable thread, truly shocked you posted thinking this was a dilemma !!!!!!!! You should be shopped for not shopping this lowlife scrounging scum.
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over a year ago
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I haven't read all the thread through, but it's made me think (yes, it does happen!)
I've paid cash in hand for jobs that meant I got the job a bit cheaper (or a "discount for cash" as I've justified it to myself) therefore I've condoned tax avoidance...with regards to benefit fraud, I'm pretty much in the "report the feckers" camp IF they're taking the piss (and I freely admit this is flexible to me, I consider the person referred to in the OP to be taking the piss, although I also realise I have only one side of the story)..
Ah, fuck this being reasonable malarkey - lets get all the tax avoiders, evaders, pikeys and benefits cheats up agin the wall and I'll happily mow them down with an AK47...Caz Pierrepoint |
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"Well, thank you all for your input, suggestions and threats! A quick count shows approximately 31 in favour of reporting, 6 in favour of not reporting and 6 non-committal.
do you think those numbers would be the same if folks could make a decision based on hearing both sides..
pretty sure you and I know I would also expect that if we were the 'one in the frame' we would have our say..
just a thought..
Ok, fair enough - the facts are person X is claiming benefits, and working cash in hand jobs. These are facts that I am 100% sure of, confirmed by person X themselves. There are no mitigating circumstances - the person is reasonably intelligent, physically and mentally fit and knows exactly what they're doing. If you were person X, and "in the frame", what would be your justification?"
how can anyone answer that objectively without knowing their side of the story..?
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"Maybe just me thinks you sound a tad jealous. God knows most people have a sideline nowadays to make ends meet. The ones making the laws are the biggest culprits. The amount of unclaimed benefit is somewhere around 30 million whilst benefit fraud costs a fraction of that.
That said im a vindictive cunt so id probably grass them!
You're quite right - I am jealous, which is part of my dilemma. They've been doing this for over 10 years, and I thought they were self-employed but they told me a few months back what they were doing, and were quite cocky about it when they were showing off their new car. They weren't as close a friend as I thought.
hmm, would you be contemplating "grassing them up" if they were screwing the system, but earning LESS than you ?
Your moral compass seems totally skewed to me, perhaps hou should suggest to the fraudster your silence over their misdemeanour could be bought, they keep screwing the system, you get a slice to balance out both your incomes, new car/holiday, job done !
Unbelievable thread, truly shocked you posted thinking this was a dilemma !!!!!!!! You should be shopped for not shopping this lowlife scrounging scum.
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I can see where the OP is coming from, and kudos to them for saying there's a bit of jealously involved - I'd be the same to be honest. My opinion is that your excessive use of exclamation marks should see you flogged to within an inch of your life - see we all have things that irk us |
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"Well, thank you all for your input, suggestions and threats! A quick count shows approximately 31 in favour of reporting, 6 in favour of not reporting and 6 non-committal.
do you think those numbers would be the same if folks could make a decision based on hearing both sides..
pretty sure you and I know I would also expect that if we were the 'one in the frame' we would have our say..
just a thought..
Ok, fair enough - the facts are person X is claiming benefits, and working cash in hand jobs. These are facts that I am 100% sure of, confirmed by person X themselves. There are no mitigating circumstances - the person is reasonably intelligent, physically and mentally fit and knows exactly what they're doing. If you were person X, and "in the frame", what would be your justification?
how can anyone answer that objectively without knowing their side of the story..?
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I've just told you their side of the story. I'm not inventing this, or "over-egging the pudding" - how many sides to criminal fraud are there? Even if the whole thing was hypothetical, the question remains - if you were person X, what would be your justification? |
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Just playing Devil's advocate here:
The people/person who told you about their financial situation were on a wind-up and you were the only person he/she/they told.
The source for any subsequent investigation by the DSS would therefore be obvious.
Would there be a reason why this might have been done in this way to "trap you"? |
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over a year ago
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Shop them. Too be screwing the system for that amount is wrong.
Don't get me wrong i have during a rough period done a couple of nights in the local chippy whilst been unemployed. That money helped feed my children and keep them warm. I'm not proud of it, but it didnt' go on cigarettes or beer. My children ate nutritious food and had decent nappies on their little botties.
Now i work, i struggle, but i show my kids that you have to earn things in life, don't expect it to be given you.
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Do you believe everything you are told,
think about a fisherman
" I caught a huge pike it was ( he spreads his arms out )6ft long and weighed 100 lbs."
Every one of us at sometimes exaggerates.
"look at me, I haven't worked for 10 yrs, I have a new car, I have golf holidays, the kids have phones, the wife gets her nails done every week "
Is it true or just bravado, ??
Is it a mobility car, because he has a tumour?
Maybe no visible signs,
It is wrong to judge someone, just because of a car, or jealousy.
At the end of the day, do what feels right.
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"Well, thank you all for your input, suggestions and threats! A quick count shows approximately 31 in favour of reporting, 6 in favour of not reporting and 6 non-committal.
do you think those numbers would be the same if folks could make a decision based on hearing both sides..
pretty sure you and I know I would also expect that if we were the 'one in the frame' we would have our say..
just a thought..
Ok, fair enough - the facts are person X is claiming benefits, and working cash in hand jobs. These are facts that I am 100% sure of, confirmed by person X themselves. There are no mitigating circumstances - the person is reasonably intelligent, physically and mentally fit and knows exactly what they're doing. If you were person X, and "in the frame", what would be your justification?
how can anyone answer that objectively without knowing their side of the story..?
I've just told you their side of the story. I'm not inventing this, or "over-egging the pudding" - how many sides to criminal fraud are there? Even if the whole thing was hypothetical, the question remains - if you were person X, what would be your justification?"
the answer is the same..
your asking me to give an answer without all the information..
put yourself in the position of others whereby you have only heard one persons story, happy to condemn someone..?
and if you are so convinced of these 'facts' about X, then what did you start the thread for..?
btw, would you give your bank details to someone calling you and telling you 'you've just won a prize and we need a transfer fee' or some other such rubbish..? |
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"Shop them. Too be screwing the system for that amount is wrong.
Don't get me wrong i have during a rough period done a couple of nights in the local chippy whilst been unemployed. That money helped feed my children and keep them warm. I'm not proud of it, but it didnt' go on cigarettes or beer. My children ate nutritious food and had decent nappies on their little botties.
Now i work, i struggle, but i show my kids that you have to earn things in life, don't expect it to be given you.
Julie xx"
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"Well, thank you all for your input, suggestions and threats! A quick count shows approximately 31 in favour of reporting, 6 in favour of not reporting and 6 non-committal.
do you think those numbers would be the same if folks could make a decision based on hearing both sides..
pretty sure you and I know I would also expect that if we were the 'one in the frame' we would have our say..
just a thought..
Ok, fair enough - the facts are person X is claiming benefits, and working cash in hand jobs. These are facts that I am 100% sure of, confirmed by person X themselves. There are no mitigating circumstances - the person is reasonably intelligent, physically and mentally fit and knows exactly what they're doing. If you were person X, and "in the frame", what would be your justification?
how can anyone answer that objectively without knowing their side of the story..?
I've just told you their side of the story. I'm not inventing this, or "over-egging the pudding" - how many sides to criminal fraud are there? Even if the whole thing was hypothetical, the question remains - if you were person X, what would be your justification?
the answer is the same..
your asking me to give an answer without all the information..
put yourself in the position of others whereby you have only heard one persons story, happy to condemn someone..?
and if you are so convinced of these 'facts' about X, then what did you start the thread for..?
btw, would you give your bank details to someone calling you and telling you 'you've just won a prize and we need a transfer fee' or some other such rubbish..?"
You're being rather evasive - I started the thread because I was unsure whether to report this or not. If I reported this person and they were investigated, the crimes would come to light, of that, I have no doubt. If I don't report them, they may end up a lot worse off at the hands of various people they have done jobs for. The jobs they do also have a criminal aspect to them. What other information would you like? |
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"Do you believe everything you are told,
think about a fisherman
" I caught a huge pike it was ( he spreads his arms out )6ft long and weighed 100 lbs."
Every one of us at sometimes exaggerates.
"look at me, I haven't worked for 10 yrs, I have a new car, I have golf holidays, the kids have phones, the wife gets her nails done every week "
Is it true or just bravado, ??
Is it a mobility car, because he has a tumour?
Maybe no visible signs,
It is wrong to judge someone, just because of a car, or jealousy.
At the end of the day, do what feels right.
You must have your doubts, or you wouldn't be here asking for advice. "
The person has no spouse, no kids, no medical conditions and very little sense of responsibility. Such people do exist. I have no doubts that they are doing what I've said they're doing. |
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You're being rather evasive - I started the thread because I was unsure whether to report this or not. If I reported this person and they were investigated, the crimes would come to light, of that, I have no doubt. If I don't report them, they may end up a lot worse off at the hands of various people they have done jobs for. The jobs they do also have a criminal aspect to them. What other information would you like?"
am not being evasive at all..
have been the foreman of a jury and guess what, we heard both sides of the case before we retired to make our decision..
had the judge after we had heard only the prosecution evidence said ok retire and make a decision, I personally would have refused and rightly so..
the fact that this has now evolved into what is possibly your knowledge of criminal behaviour by x and or others would lead me to suggest you ask the mods to pull the thread tbh..
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You're being rather evasive - I started the thread because I was unsure whether to report this or not. If I reported this person and they were investigated, the crimes would come to light, of that, I have no doubt. If I don't report them, they may end up a lot worse off at the hands of various people they have done jobs for. The jobs they do also have a criminal aspect to them. What other information would you like?
am not being evasive at all..
have been the foreman of a jury and guess what, we heard both sides of the case before we retired to make our decision..
had the judge after we had heard only the prosecution evidence said ok retire and make a decision, I personally would have refused and rightly so..
the fact that this has now evolved into what is possibly your knowledge of criminal behaviour by x and or others would lead me to suggest you ask the mods to pull the thread tbh..
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You're being rather evasive - I started the thread because I was unsure whether to report this or not. If I reported this person and they were investigated, the crimes would come to light, of that, I have no doubt. If I don't report them, they may end up a lot worse off at the hands of various people they have done jobs for. The jobs they do also have a criminal aspect to them. What other information would you like?
am not being evasive at all..
have been the foreman of a jury and guess what, we heard both sides of the case before we retired to make our decision..
had the judge after we had heard only the prosecution evidence said ok retire and make a decision, I personally would have refused and rightly so..
the fact that this has now evolved into what is possibly your knowledge of criminal behaviour by x and or others would lead me to suggest you ask the mods to pull the thread tbh..
I am not making any kind of judgement, I'm only querying as to whether I pass my knowledge on to those who are able to make that determination."
Seems like you've got your answer...report them and leave it to the investigators. If the people you report have no case to answer to then they will be left to get on with their lives |
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over a year ago
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You're being rather evasive - I started the thread because I was unsure whether to report this or not. If I reported this person and they were investigated, the crimes would come to light, of that, I have no doubt. If I don't report them, they may end up a lot worse off at the hands of various people they have done jobs for. The jobs they do also have a criminal aspect to them. What other information would you like?
am not being evasive at all..
have been the foreman of a jury and guess what, we heard both sides of the case before we retired to make our decision..
had the judge after we had heard only the prosecution evidence said ok retire and make a decision, I personally would have refused and rightly so..
the fact that this has now evolved into what is possibly your knowledge of criminal behaviour by x and or others would lead me to suggest you ask the mods to pull the thread tbh..
I am not making any kind of judgement, I'm only querying as to whether I pass my knowledge on to those who are able to make that determination.
Seems like you've got your answer...report them and leave it to the investigators. If the people you report have no case to answer to then they will be left to get on with their lives "
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"Maybe just me thinks you sound a tad jealous. God knows most people have a sideline nowadays to make ends meet. The ones making the laws are the biggest culprits. The amount of unclaimed benefit is somewhere around 30 million whilst benefit fraud costs a fraction of that.
That said im a vindictive cunt so id probably grass them!
You're quite right - I am jealous, which is part of my dilemma. They've been doing this for over 10 years, and I thought they were self-employed but they told me a few months back what they were doing, and were quite cocky about it when they were showing off their new car. They weren't as close a friend as I thought.
hmm, would you be contemplating "grassing them up" if they were screwing the system, but earning LESS than you ?
Your moral compass seems totally skewed to me, perhaps hou should suggest to the fraudster your silence over their misdemeanour could be bought, they keep screwing the system, you get a slice to balance out both your incomes, new car/holiday, job done !
Unbelievable thread, truly shocked you posted thinking this was a dilemma !!!!!!!! You should be shopped for not shopping this lowlife scrounging scum.
I can see where the OP is coming from, and kudos to them for saying there's a bit of jealously involved - I'd be the same to be honest. My opinion is that your excessive use of exclamation marks should see you flogged to within an inch of your life - see we all have things that irk us "
The excessive use of exclaimation marks is entirely warranted to express my utter incredulity at the lack of or selective morals displayed by the OP.
Flog away.
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"A person I used to count as a very close friend has been claiming every benefit available to them on the grounds of being long-term unemployed"
Friendship counts for nothing, you become a spy for The State...shop your family.. inform on your neighbours, fink on your friends,,,,,The State is your only true friend, Big Brother is watching you, he loves you  |
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over a year ago
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The excessive use of exclaimation marks is entirely warranted to express my utter incredulity at the lack of or selective morals displayed by the OP.
Flog away.
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Assume the position, biatch |
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"Maybe just me thinks you sound a tad jealous. God knows most people have a sideline nowadays to make ends meet. The ones making the laws are the biggest culprits. The amount of unclaimed benefit is somewhere around 30 million whilst benefit fraud costs a fraction of that.
That said im a vindictive cunt so id probably grass them!
You're quite right - I am jealous, which is part of my dilemma. They've been doing this for over 10 years, and I thought they were self-employed but they told me a few months back what they were doing, and were quite cocky about it when they were showing off their new car. They weren't as close a friend as I thought.
hmm, would you be contemplating "grassing them up" if they were screwing the system, but earning LESS than you ?
Your moral compass seems totally skewed to me, perhaps hou should suggest to the fraudster your silence over their misdemeanour could be bought, they keep screwing the system, you get a slice to balance out both your incomes, new car/holiday, job done !
Unbelievable thread, truly shocked you posted thinking this was a dilemma !!!!!!!! You should be shopped for not shopping this lowlife scrounging scum.
I can see where the OP is coming from, and kudos to them for saying there's a bit of jealously involved - I'd be the same to be honest. My opinion is that your excessive use of exclamation marks should see you flogged to within an inch of your life - see we all have things that irk us
The excessive use of exclaimation marks is entirely warranted to express my utter incredulity at the lack of or selective morals displayed by the OP.
Flog away.
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What leads you to believe I have no morals? And doesn't everyone have selective morals, depending on the circumstance? |
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"Maybe just me thinks you sound a tad jealous. God knows most people have a sideline nowadays to make ends meet. The ones making the laws are the biggest culprits. The amount of unclaimed benefit is somewhere around 30 million whilst benefit fraud costs a fraction of that.
That said im a vindictive cunt so id probably grass them!
You're quite right - I am jealous, which is part of my dilemma. They've been doing this for over 10 years, and I thought they were self-employed but they told me a few months back what they were doing, and were quite cocky about it when they were showing off their new car. They weren't as close a friend as I thought.
hmm, would you be contemplating "grassing them up" if they were screwing the system, but earning LESS than you ?
Your moral compass seems totally skewed to me, perhaps hou should suggest to the fraudster your silence over their misdemeanour could be bought, they keep screwing the system, you get a slice to balance out both your incomes, new car/holiday, job done !
Unbelievable thread, truly shocked you posted thinking this was a dilemma !!!!!!!! You should be shopped for not shopping this lowlife scrounging scum.
I can see where the OP is coming from, and kudos to them for saying there's a bit of jealously involved - I'd be the same to be honest. My opinion is that your excessive use of exclamation marks should see you flogged to within an inch of your life - see we all have things that irk us
The excessive use of exclaimation marks is entirely warranted to express my utter incredulity at the lack of or selective morals displayed by the OP.
Flog away.
What leads you to believe I have no morals? And doesn't everyone have selective morals, depending on the circumstance?"
Have you misquoted me? I've not referred to your morals or lack of....I think my previous posts show that I am very selective with regards to the circumstances. |
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"There's no doubt - report them
They are not entitled and with benefits being cut are taking from those who need the cash
I think that gets to the crux on the matter. So many areas are having cuts from library's to pensioners and day centres. Do people really think what can only be referred to selfish greedy fraudsters shouldn't be shopped in the interests of the truly needy in society. Sometimes peoples _iewpoints on illegal activity behaviour is unbelievable.
what percentage of people fiddling the system do you think it will take before HMG say they will reverse the cuts..
and that surely must include, anyone who has had a 'cash' job done or does them, anyone 'rounding' up their mileage or expenses..
the tax evaders etc
some of the most deserving have been and are being treated atrociously by this Government in their 'reforms'..
thinking outside the box why don't the Government bring the assessment procedure back in house and the money that is not being given to shareholders is used to employ more people to catch fraudsters and tax evaders..?
yeh, like fuck would they..
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Your points beggar belief but some people would and will do all they can to justify illegal or antisocial behaviour so why should I be suppressed.
Percentages? What on earth has percentages got to do with fraud?
Nit picking over trivial amounts to justify? That’s the cry of a desperate person but if I thought someone was committing fraud of any sort I would have no issues reporting the information.
Just because some people in society have been treat atrociously it doesn’t mean theft is justified get real on this one.
One question. Why are you trying so hard to advocate fraud isn’t a bad thing to do?
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No question but to report him. What he is doing is illegal and by you knowing and not reporting is merely condoning his actions and aiding him commit a crime.
I come across many benefit frauds in my job and I have no hesitation in reporting them. I've struggled and managed with no help at all from the benefits systems when I was out of work as a single mum and now work hard and pay a bloody huge chunk of tax so why shouldn't everyone else!! |
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"There's no doubt - report them
They are not entitled and with benefits being cut are taking from those who need the cash
I think that gets to the crux on the matter. So many areas are having cuts from library's to pensioners and day centres. Do people really think what can only be referred to selfish greedy fraudsters shouldn't be shopped in the interests of the truly needy in society. Sometimes peoples _iewpoints on illegal activity behaviour is unbelievable.
what percentage of people fiddling the system do you think it will take before HMG say they will reverse the cuts..
and that surely must include, anyone who has had a 'cash' job done or does them, anyone 'rounding' up their mileage or expenses..
the tax evaders etc
some of the most deserving have been and are being treated atrociously by this Government in their 'reforms'..
thinking outside the box why don't the Government bring the assessment procedure back in house and the money that is not being given to shareholders is used to employ more people to catch fraudsters and tax evaders..?
yeh, like fuck would they..
Your points beggar belief but some people would and will do all they can to justify illegal or antisocial behaviour so why should I be suppressed.
Percentages? What on earth has percentages got to do with fraud?
Nit picking over trivial amounts to justify? That’s the cry of a desperate person but if I thought someone was committing fraud of any sort I would have no issues reporting the information.
Just because some people in society have been treat atrociously it doesn’t mean theft is justified get real on this one.
One question. Why are you trying so hard to advocate fraud isn’t a bad thing to do?
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your suggestion that these people are taking money from the most needy would if resolved/ended therefore suggest that the cuts would be less stringent or benefits increased to said..
or were you just spouting clichés you read or are told by whomever..?
your assertion that I would justify illegal and or antisocial behaviour is pathetic and typical of those who cant see that someone may have a different opinion without going down such a puerile and unfounded route..
fyi Einstein I have helped put folk away who were actually found guilty through due process of much worse than one persons as yet unproven accusations..
one answer, I am not and have not in any way shape or form said so..
care to indicate where perhaps ..??
what my position is not that its any business of yours is that everyone in this democracy has the right to have their side of the story heard..
especially when accused of fraud..
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"Maybe just me thinks you sound a tad jealous. God knows most people have a sideline nowadays to make ends meet. The ones making the laws are the biggest culprits. The amount of unclaimed benefit is somewhere around 30 million whilst benefit fraud costs a fraction of that.
That said im a vindictive cunt so id probably grass them!
You're quite right - I am jealous, which is part of my dilemma. They've been doing this for over 10 years, and I thought they were self-employed but they told me a few months back what they were doing, and were quite cocky about it when they were showing off their new car. They weren't as close a friend as I thought.
hmm, would you be contemplating "grassing them up" if they were screwing the system, but earning LESS than you ?
Your moral compass seems totally skewed to me, perhaps hou should suggest to the fraudster your silence over their misdemeanour could be bought, they keep screwing the system, you get a slice to balance out both your incomes, new car/holiday, job done !
Unbelievable thread, truly shocked you posted thinking this was a dilemma !!!!!!!! You should be shopped for not shopping this lowlife scrounging scum.
I can see where the OP is coming from, and kudos to them for saying there's a bit of jealously involved - I'd be the same to be honest. My opinion is that your excessive use of exclamation marks should see you flogged to within an inch of your life - see we all have things that irk us
The excessive use of exclaimation marks is entirely warranted to express my utter incredulity at the lack of or selective morals displayed by the OP.
Flog away.
What leads you to believe I have no morals? And doesn't everyone have selective morals, depending on the circumstance?
Have you misquoted me? I've not referred to your morals or lack of....I think my previous posts show that I am very selective with regards to the circumstances. "
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"I am on benifits i am epeltic and before anybody starts nobody has ever had to hit me over the head with a frying pan lol .I fell off my bike a few years ago and bashed my head and it just started i get two hundred pound a month .I had a fit in the street and somebody robbed me before calling an ambulance i now never go out unless im with my hubby which is hard because he works away a lot .We no a man that lives in a house wfere he gets three meals a day and his rent paid pretends hes got a mental health problem ,when he wants more money he is at the benifit office every week .He gets four hundre snd eighty pound a month and allways want more ,i worked hard untill i got ill but still feel bad about takeing the money but without it we wouldnt survive , forgive my spelling if its wrong pills affect my memoery "
Its people like you who do deserve it but people like the OP is referring to tend to give people like you a bad name. I for one agree all disabled people should get as much help as then need, and the scrounges should get jail or made to clean the streets ect |
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"There's no doubt - report them
They are not entitled and with benefits being cut are taking from those who need the cash
I think that gets to the crux on the matter. So many areas are having cuts from library's to pensioners and day centres. Do people really think what can only be referred to selfish greedy fraudsters shouldn't be shopped in the interests of the truly needy in society. Sometimes peoples _iewpoints on illegal activity behaviour is unbelievable.
what percentage of people fiddling the system do you think it will take before HMG say they will reverse the cuts..
and that surely must include, anyone who has had a 'cash' job done or does them, anyone 'rounding' up their mileage or expenses..
the tax evaders etc
some of the most deserving have been and are being treated atrociously by this Government in their 'reforms'..
thinking outside the box why don't the Government bring the assessment procedure back in house and the money that is not being given to shareholders is used to employ more people to catch fraudsters and tax evaders..?
yeh, like fuck would they..
Your points beggar belief but some people would and will do all they can to justify illegal or antisocial behaviour so why should I be suppressed.
Percentages? What on earth has percentages got to do with fraud?
Nit picking over trivial amounts to justify? That’s the cry of a desperate person but if I thought someone was committing fraud of any sort I would have no issues reporting the information.
Just because some people in society have been treat atrociously it doesn’t mean theft is justified get real on this one.
One question. Why are you trying so hard to advocate fraud isn’t a bad thing to do?
your suggestion that these people are taking money from the most needy would if resolved/ended therefore suggest that the cuts would be less stringent or benefits increased to said..
or were you just spouting clichés you read or are told by whomever..?
your assertion that I would justify illegal and or antisocial behaviour is pathetic and typical of those who cant see that someone may have a different opinion without going down such a puerile and unfounded route..
fyi Einstein I have helped put folk away who were actually found guilty through due process of much worse than one persons as yet unproven accusations..
one answer, I am not and have not in any way shape or form said so..
care to indicate where perhaps ..??
what my position is not that its any business of yours is that everyone in this democracy has the right to have their side of the story heard..
especially when accused of fraud..
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Ahhh but I didn’t intimate it would resolve any problem just that its not justifiable to advocate fraud and said fraud wasn’t helping the coffers available to fund other projects.
Opinions of others? Well I would say the ceo at ours would say I am pretty good at that that’s why he sanctioned a new M3 for my services but knock yourself out with your imaginative theorising that has no base or facts its as amusing as your attempt to not condone fraud and it it fraud pure and simple.
As for how many people you have put a way lol sorry but come on you can dream all you like anyone who was actually involved in any area like that would not mention it for various reasons you will be telling me next you were in the elite branch of the SAS and saved the queen. Amusing though it is you can pull the wool over your own eyes not mine.
I have no doubt you will be evasive as to why you condone fraud as not condemning it is tantamount to that its just a good job everyone in society didn’t adopt this attitude. As for your position well irs an open forum if you can’t handle being questioned over questionable morals then oh dear its going to happen. |
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"A person I used to count as a very close friend has been claiming every benefit available to them on the grounds of being long-term unemployed, and has been doing some very lucrative cash-in-hand work. I found out recently that they "earn" over twice what I do - they've bought a new car and been on several holidays that I could never hope to afford. Should I report them, or live and let live? What would you do? The person also has a history of violence, so I'm not keen on confronting them myself."
I'm sorry to say this but your friend is a thief. They are stealing from you (and every one else as well). Report them! Do it now! Do it for yourself and your family as I am sure you would do if you found out that anyone else was helping themselves to your money!
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Report the person. Your name would never be mentioned.
And it takes a long time from
Making a complaint, to that person being charged.
The person is deceiving all the hard working people, who pay tax and national insurance. |
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Personally I don't see the the need of this thread. Is he breaking the law, yes he is. Have you got proof and friend or no friend. A true friend wouldn't put you In a position where you know the law was being broken. So report them if you have proof. |
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"Report the person. Your name would never be mentioned.
And it takes a long time from
Making a complaint, to that person being charged.
The person is deceiving all the hard working people, who pay tax and national insurance."
Allegedly. |
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I fucking hate people like that who sponge off the rest of us, wait a week or two, get more proof and then shop him. He won't realise it's you if they knock on his door in a few weeks.
There's a family near me, I see them getting a tesco delivery every week. At least a dozen crates of beer each time which has to be around £100 on beers, plus they have a new car and he has a new motorcycle yet none of them work. Makes me so angry |
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Reporting then would make you nothing more than a coward,
Not because they are breaking the law, because you are supposed to be friends and they have confided in you,
The art of being a good friend is sticking by people regardless, like it or hate we need to guide and be there if it goes wrong not disrespect the trust they give you
Yes yes its illegal and Ian sure many will disagree. There are procedures in place to catch those that break the law, it if its a close friend you shouldnt be the one to report them,
P.s. Ian not getting into the social security/legal issue here, for me this is simple should a friend report a friend who has confided in them, and the answer has to be no, guide advise yes |
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One question. Why are you trying so hard to advocate fraud isn’t a bad thing to do?
one answer, I am not and have not in any way shape or form said so..
care to indicate where perhaps ..??
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try answering the accusation you made, which you know you cant back up hence your rambling on about your 'm3'..wow much impressed..
I actually said 'helped' ie multi agency as in reporting a person who was a convicted paedo who had fled his bail address etc..
why not just ask or is your only answer to attempt to demean (something which I doubt you got your m3 for btw)
no, not 22 or 21 but time served with the operational tours etc..
not holding my breath for your apology, probably too busy polishing your car..
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Sky news saying today that benefit fraudsters will now face 10 years in jail.
A good thing but in relation to this thread you would have to be very sure before informing on suspected fraudsters with such serious custodials involved |
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