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I'm so sorry.....NOT!

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

to the driver who decided to pull out in front of me and then stop so I couldn't go anywhere, how was I supposed to know his airbag would deploy when I kicked the front bumper of his Audi A3, serves him bloody right

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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Wow, if that all it takes for an airbag to deploy maybe we shouldn't have them in cars.

Have you ever thought about anger management lessons Mally?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

yeeehhhaaaa!!! well done just a shame it wasnt a proton as ive got a spare airbag and only a snip at £300

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Wow, if that all it takes for an airbag to deploy maybe we shouldn't have them in cars.

Have you ever thought about anger management lessons Mally?

I'm quite calm when cycling but I'd had a bad day at work, so thats my reason and sticking to it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Now, I have seen a pattern with you and fighting Mally, did you break your toe?.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Now, I have seen a pattern with you and fighting Mally, did you break your toe?.

haha, no , i'd curled them up to avoid injury

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Now, I have seen a pattern with you and fighting Mally, did you break your toe?.

haha, no , i'd curled them up to avoid injury

So it was premaditated then

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By *etitesaraTV/TS over a year ago

rochdale

"to the driver who decided to pull out in front of me and then stop so I couldn't go anywhere, how was I supposed to know his airbag would deploy when I kicked the front bumper of his Audi A3, serves him bloody right

I had a complete knobend in a Merc C220 try to drive over me in order to be at the head of the queue at a red light

I banged on his drivers side window to remonstrate and he just said "yeah yeah" and wound his window back up.

I went a bit mental, tried to headbutt him through the window, punched his wing mirror clean off the car then wnet to throw my bike through his rear windscreen - strangely enough he panicked and jumped through a crossroad junction on a red light to get away from me!

All the other drivers were sat there with their jaws open..

(I take exception to drivers thinking i am a target because i ride a bicycle)

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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I think most people would take exception to what sounds like very violent people

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By *zMaleMan over a year ago

penzance

Good job it wasn't a toyota at least it stopped

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And they say 'look out for cyclists', or should that be 'look out for kicking, headbutting, bike throwing cyclists'

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By *etitesaraTV/TS over a year ago

rochdale

"And they say 'look out for cyclists', or should that be 'look out for kicking, headbutting, bike throwing cyclists'

Try to kill me by deliberately driving your vehicle at me and i WILL respond in kind.

There are road users out there who are simply poor drivers/riders/cyclists and they are bad enough. People who believe they have the RIGHT to cause injury or even death to another road user because they are slower do not deserve any sympathy.

I have reported 3 different occurrences to the police and nothing has been done, even when i could give a reg plate and Co. name to the person who climbed out of his cab to assault me the police did nothing.

Eqeustrians, cyclists and pedestrians use the Queens Highways by right, motorists are merely licensed. Cyclists pay for the roads through Council Tax - there is no such thing as road tax and there hasn't been since 1937.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple over a year ago

Bolton

"And they say 'look out for cyclists', or should that be 'look out for kicking, headbutting, bike throwing cyclists'

Try to kill me by deliberately driving your vehicle at me and i WILL respond in kind.

Have to agree - i used to ride a push bike and was constantly in danger - on our motorbikes we also seem to be targets - I drive hundreds of miles a week and am sympathetic to bikes - it ain't difficult! Z

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"And they say 'look out for cyclists', or should that be 'look out for kicking, headbutting, bike throwing cyclists'

If you add the words "faster or" before the word slower, then I would say exactly.....no one has a right to inflict injury on anyone.

No wonder other motorists were open mouthed at your actions

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And they say 'look out for cyclists', or should that be 'look out for kicking, headbutting, bike throwing cyclists'

Try to kill me by deliberately driving your vehicle at me and i WILL respond in kind.

No such thing as road tax? then why the hell am i paying £190 per year and what for?

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By *etitesaraTV/TS over a year ago

rochdale

"And they say 'look out for cyclists', or should that be 'look out for kicking, headbutting, bike throwing cyclists'

Try to kill me by deliberately driving your vehicle at me and i WILL respond in kind.

I'm slightly sympathetic to drivers who don't see cyclists/motorcyclists as studies have shown that the human eye has difficulty seeing a moving object that occupies less than 6 degrees - bikes generally are around 3 degrees. However, on the road you should be aware that bikes are hard to see and act accordingly.

The difference comes when people deliberately use their vehicles to intimidate or even assault other road users, of which cyclists & bikers are the most vulnerable.

How many people pass cyclists with only 6" to spare at over 30mph?

How many of those understand you must give cyclists the same room as a car when overtaking?

The very worst are the fools who deliberately overtake then immediately turn left, not caring that they will sideswipe you in the process - another illegal move.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS over a year ago

rochdale

"And they say 'look out for cyclists', or should that be 'look out for kicking, headbutting, bike throwing cyclists'

Try to kill me by deliberately driving your vehicle at me and i WILL respond in kind.

No such thing as road tax? then why the hell am i paying £190 per year and what for?

Vehicle Excise Duty - a tax payable on the emmissions level of the vehicle. Road funding has not been tied to any form of vehicle taxation since 1937 when Winston Churchill abolished it, saying that if a motorist thought he was paying for the road he would think he owned it!

Road funding is paid for from general taxation & the Council Tax - apart from motorways, which cycle are not allowed on.

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By *umourCouple over a year ago

Rushden

My car would have called the police and ambulance automatically when the airbag went off and I would have been glad! Because you inflicted criminal damage on the car and I would have had you arrested!

It is neither clever or funny to make a big thing of violent behaviour. He may have cut you up or put you in danger, but your actions make you every bit as bad as him, especially as this is not the first tirade against motorists you have posted on this forum!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I drive a yellow saxo and people don't seem to be able to see me, weirdly I don't have that problem when I drive a dark green land rover around.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

i actually had a cyclist pull straight out of a juction in front of me today but i guess it wuld be wrong of me to kick his bike???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I had a car that almost knock me of the bike an he new he was going 2 close as the other driver behind me saw it an toot his horn at him

next thing i new it was a police car

he got fine for it

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By *ouvakMan over a year ago

clacton on sea

"yeeehhhaaaa!!! well done just a shame it wasnt a proton as ive got a spare airbag and only a snip at £300

looks like you have twin air bags there

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"yeeehhhaaaa!!! well done just a shame it wasnt a proton as ive got a spare airbag and only a snip at £300

looks like you have twin air bags there

Eeeeeek ! The Ghost of Touvak is haunting the Forums....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I drive a yellow saxo and people don't seem to be able to see me, weirdly I don't have that problem when I drive a dark green land rover around."

Well that's a simple answer then innit.... don't drive the fookin saxo.

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By *zMaleMan over a year ago

penzance

"And they say 'look out for cyclists', or should that be 'look out for kicking, headbutting, bike throwing cyclists'

Try to kill me by deliberately driving your vehicle at me and i WILL respond in kind.

A word of advice... if it happens again god forbid it doesn't.......... get details of independant witnesses. Speaking from experience. It is not a Police problem it is the CPS (Crown prosecution service) they will not run a case without an independant witness.

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By *ouvakMan over a year ago

clacton on sea

" there is no such thing as road tax and there hasn't been since 1937.

if there is no road tax !!! then what was bought in to replace it was road fund licence, which all motorized transport has to display whether it is paid for or given as part of a DLA benefit.

this was introduced to help maintain the roads and keep them in good repair, just think about how many car's are currently on our roads and paying between £150/400 per year and how many commercial's are on the roads paying over £1,000 per year and do the maths and tell me that we can't have better roads than we currently have to put up with, as a motorcyclist i'm constantly having to adjust my position on the road to avoid pot hole deep enough to dump me off my bike, and bad repairs that actually cause the bike to move off line when i ride over them.

bad riding on a bikers part isn't always down to his fault it's often because of bad road surface's

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mally,

On other threads I have posted comments praising your intelligence but I now retract them all.

The behaviour you describe is nothing short of appaling, boasting about commiting criminal damage is awful and I hope the justice system brings you your just rewards but I doubt it will.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

Mally,

On other threads I have posted comments praising your intelligence but I now retract them all.

The behaviour you describe is nothing short of appaling, boasting about commiting criminal damage is awful and I hope the justice system brings you your just rewards but I doubt it will."

awww i think its a bit harsh retracting ALL your nice comments - just based on this one post.

Maybe he over reacted but i dont think that negates everything he has ever done

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's not a first and appears to be very "in character"

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By *etitesaraTV/TS over a year ago

rochdale

" there is no such thing as road tax and there hasn't been since 1937.

if there is no road tax !!! then what was bought in to replace it was road fund licence, which all motorized transport has to display whether it is paid for or given as part of a DLA benefit.

bad riding on a bikers part isn't always down to his fault it's often because of bad road surface's

The direct link between Road Tax & the funding of highway maintainance was broken in 1937, since then it has been from general taxation and the RFL despite the name was not ringfenced for that. Local Authorities were given the burden of highway maintainance via local taxation, topped up from the Govt pot.

I agree roads are in a terrible state, especially now after the winter ice. That's why i ride 3ft from the gutter so i can avoid the worst of it, also so that i am more in line with a drivers sight and hopefully easier to see.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It's not a first and appears to be very "in character"

really sorry you think that way about me now, generally I am a very pleasant person to be with, it was exceptional circumstances to what drove me to react the way I did, no, its not a way I'd normally react as I get cut off, forced into the gutter and god knows how many near misses when vehicles over take me.

So I'll say sorry to you and all those who now think less of me and promise not to take my anger out on drivers anymore and save if for the Dojo instead

love and hugs to you all

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By *aughty_kittyWoman over a year ago

finger licking good

"It's not a first and appears to be very "in character"

So I'll say sorry to you and all those who now think less of me and promise not to take my anger out on drivers anymore and save if for the Dojo instead

love and hugs to you all

dont get pussy whipped by this lot.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

its not that, just dont want to be known as a typical thug, i'm more of a gentle giant

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

kicking the bumper cant make an airbag go off, i know this as i asked at the garage after a minor knock why the airbag didnt go off, they are trigered by a decelaration meter and it has to register slowing down at a greater rate than the car can do by braking, the car also has to be going at a min speed before the system kicks in to stop them going off in carparks

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"kicking the bumper cant make an airbag go off, i know this as i asked at the garage after a minor knock why the airbag didnt go off, they are trigered by a decelaration meter and it has to register slowing down at a greater rate than the car can do by braking, the car also has to be going at a min speed before the system kicks in to stop them going off in carparks"

Nods

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By *aughty_kittyWoman over a year ago

finger licking good

Nods"

*sniggers

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

obviously a fault in the system on this particular vehicle, i was just as surprised as the driver.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple over a year ago

Bolton

ffs - mally kicked the bumper of a car!!!! That had deliberately tried to knock him off his bike! Car v big toe - hardly even!!! Z

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple over a year ago

Bolton

lol - things do go wrong - ask Toyota! Z

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"lol - things do go wrong - ask Toyota! Z"

think we'll leave it there eh

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

Mally, next time don’t get mad, get even!

Instead of attacking a car, be nice tell the driver what the problem is and when he laughs, reach in turn off this ignition remove the keys and take them to the police!

That is what I do

by the time the driver has reported the theft, been informed by the police that his keys are in the police station where he can collect them and make a statement about his careless driving ect. while at the same time having to remove the obstruction his car has become he will learn rather than you worrying about plod knocking on your door

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

hahaha yeah, like your thinking, cool calm and collective from now on....... promise

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"hahaha yeah, like your thinking, cool calm and collective from now on....... promise

no just evil bastard that took M/Cpolice advice as I was being arrested for criminal damage/assault after putting my helmet through the windscreen and dragging a driver from his car after he first sideswiped me pulling out of a pub and then rammed me when I caught up to him further down the road!

I got bound over for the attack and he got off the DD charge because he was taken to hospital for treatment (back in 83) before back calculations or CCTV

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"hahaha yeah, like your thinking, cool calm and collective from now on....... promise

I got bound over for the attack and he got off the DD charge because he was taken to hospital for treatment (back in 83) before back calculations or CCTV

oh dear

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

No worries! LoL

I was only just out of the RM and was very ANGRY after the Falklands...it helped me work through one or 2 issues and I became good friends with the copper who nicked me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well done on the OP sticking up for yourself.

Some drivers think they own the road. I myself have been involved in road rage and if it wasn't for the fact the lights had changed to green as i was getting out my car to confront the clown it could had got messy.

Of course the coward was giving it the ol wanker sign out the window as he drove away with great speed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Firstly its an offence to cause damage and leave the scene of an accident. However kicking a car to cause the airbag to go off is highly unlikely and maybe the OP is exaggerating a little here as I am sure the driver would call the police over such an act of vandalism.

If we were all more polite on the roads not cutting each other up then road rage wouldn’t be an issue.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's not a first and appears to be very "in character"

So I'll say sorry to you and all those who now think less of me and promise not to take my anger out on drivers anymore and save if for the Dojo instead

love and hugs to you all

Whilst I appreciate the PM Mally probably best I reply in here. I had consumed more than one or two Highland ales last night which, in hindsight caused my response to be more than a little abrupt which I fully apologise for.

That said kicking someones car irrespective of the provocation is neither big or clever and as others have alluded will drop you right in the dwang with the law.

I was chased last week by an irate van driver who had done a 180 just to come after me. It was plain from the anger on his face and his gesticulations that if he could get at me I was in for a shoeing.

My crime? Not pulling over to let him through, he was passing parked cars whilst my side of the road was clear and for that this guy was hell bent on kicking the crap out of me

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By *ara_and_MJCouple over a year ago

rochdale

"Firstly its an offence to cause damage and leave the scene of an accident. However kicking a car to cause the airbag to go off is highly unlikely and maybe the OP is exaggerating a little here as I am sure the driver would call the police over such an act of vandalism.

If we were all more polite on the roads not cutting each other up then road rage wouldn’t be an issue.

It would be nice wouldn't it?

However, only yesterday i saw a BMW speed down the wrong side of a T-junction because the traffic was at a standstill and he obviously couldn't wait any longer. The fact that traffic was coming the other way didn't seem to matter to him.

Vulnerable road users like cyclists and motorcyclists all have a litany of tales to tell about the stupid,careless & very often dangerous antics of drivers who really do think that cyclists et.al. have no right to be on the road. I have been driven into ditches, had vehicles driven deliberately at me at speed, and been threatened with violence for simply asserting my right to use the road so forgive us if we don't meekly roll over and let ourselves be abused, threatened & hurt by idiots who should not be behind the wheel of a deadly projectile.

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By *ara_and_MJCouple over a year ago

rochdale

"It's not a first and appears to be very "in character"

So I'll say sorry to you and all those who now think less of me and promise not to take my anger out on drivers anymore and save if for the Dojo instead

love and hugs to you all

That said kicking someones car irrespective of the provocation is neither big or clever and as others have alluded will drop you right in the dwang with the law.

My crime? Not pulling over to let him through, he was passing parked cars whilst my side of the road was clear and for that this guy was hell bent on kicking the crap out of me

Now if i'm not mistaken you had the right of way, as it was his lane that was blocked. If you have to cross the white line to advance you do not have the right of way - or am i incorrect?

This is something that regularly happens to me on a bicycle, i'll be heading down a narrow st with parked vehicles and a car is coming the other way. Rather than waiting til i have come past they will often drive straight towards me leaving me with nowhere to go. If i'm approaching such a situation i will stop and wave the car through but for some reason (probably because i'm on a cycle) no-one will ever do the same.

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By *adcowWoman over a year ago

kirkcaldy

"yeeehhhaaaa!!! well done just a shame it wasnt a proton as ive got a spare airbag and only a snip at £300

hey thats what i paid for my air bag - the proton car was free!!!!!!!!!!!

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By *etitesaraTV/TS over a year ago

rochdale

The above rants are mine BTW - not MJ's!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If we were all more polite on the roads not cutting each other up then road rage wouldn’t be an issue.

It would be nice wouldn't it?

Claiming the moral high ground doesn’t give you the right to attack someone else’s vehicle. No excuses not even bad driving gives you the right to do this under any circumstances. I would agree cyclists are vulnerable and come off worse in an accident but by no means are they innocent. The common cyclist does not have to pass any test to drive on the highway for a start. Also I have seen many a cyclist act like a complete pratt weaving between traffic and that’s not including bicycle couriers so to have the pretence they are innocent is laughable. No one asked anyone to roll over. The correct procedure is to take the vehicles no and report it.

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

If we were all more polite on the roads not cutting each other up then road rage wouldn’t be an issue.

It would be nice wouldn't it?

Truth is, many car drivers, whether they mean to or not, tend to use their vehicles to intimidate cyclists etc.

I rode a motorbike for 12 years, and got into one or two arguements with car drivers. Its true that lots of cyclists and motorbike riders dont do themselves any favours, but that doesnt mean other road users have the right to assume that they are in the right. At least if a cyclist is weaving in and out of traffic, and has an accident, no-one else will be injured. Vehicle drivers tend to be less worried because they are in a steel box, and that shows in their attitude to other road users.

It would be nice if everyone adopted this "christian motoring" ethic, but lets be realistic, it isnt going to happen. Also, taking down a drivers details and reporting it isnt going to get you anywhere, I know, I have done it twice!

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By *etitesaraTV/TS over a year ago

rochdale

If we were all more polite on the roads not cutting each other up then road rage wouldn’t be an issue.

It would be nice wouldn't it?

Ever tried to report an incident? I have on 3 seperate occasions and nothing has ever been done. Not even when i gave the Co. name, reg plate and a physical description of the assaulter backed up with 2 independent witnesses.

What may be a minor bump to a vehicle can and often is a casualty-causing incident to a cyclist/motorcyclist. I have before and will again bang on the roof of a passing vehicle if i think they are too close - if i can touch your vehicle then yes, you are too close. The law (Rule 162 of the Highway Code) states you must give the same amount of room as you would to a small car, but hardly anyone does. The same applies for passing a cyclist in an inappropriate place, when i come to such a point (say a single lane with a traffic island) i will pull out to the middle of the lane to prevent a vehicle from passing me til i have passed the danger spot whereupon i pull back in. I don't care if it slows you down for a couple of seconds, its my life at risk and i will make the decision as to whether you have room to pass, not you.

I obey the rules of the road, i don't jump lights and i wear the appropriate clothing/helmet and run big, expensive light sets. Still drivers think it's funny to 'buzz' you or to pull stupid stunts like driving you into a wall/parked car/bush etc.

Cyclists have more of a right to use the road than do vehicles - cyclists are not a hindrance to traffic, they ARE traffic.

Just as there are dickhead drivers so there are idiots on bicycles, often poorly maintained and with no lights. Last yr i had an altercation with a youth on a bike whilst waiting at a red light - he rode down the WRONG side of the road through the lights directly at me. I stopped him and told him to get on the bloody pavement and walk!

I cycle every day for commuting and for pleasure, both on and off road and i'll be doing a lot more of it in the next few months as i train for the Coast-To-Coast in 24hrs, i don't expect to be viewed as a moving target because of it.

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By *aughty_kittyWoman over a year ago

finger licking good

"It's not a first and appears to be very "in character"

So I'll say sorry to you and all those who now think less of me and promise not to take my anger out on drivers anymore and save if for the Dojo instead

love and hugs to you all

That said kicking someones car irrespective of the provocation is neither big or clever and as others have alluded will drop you right in the dwang with the law.

My crime? Not pulling over to let him through, he was passing parked cars whilst my side of the road was clear and for that this guy was hell bent on kicking the crap out of me

pussy bitch hahahha

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"obviously a fault in the system on this particular vehicle, i was just as surprised as the driver."

Maybe it was the lamp post that he'd just demolished before he cut you up that set the airbag off ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Cyclists have more of a right to use the road than do vehicles - cyclists are not a hindrance to traffic, they ARE traffic.

What give you the right to 'bang on the roof' of someone's vehicle. Whether you 'think' they are too close of not doesn't give you the right to touch their vehicle in any way shape or form.

One of these days someone may just get out of their car and 'bang on your roof'

You really need to curb your temper before you get yourself hurt

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By *etitesaraTV/TS over a year ago

rochdale

Cyclists have more of a right to use the road than do vehicles - cyclists are not a hindrance to traffic, they ARE traffic.

What give you the right to 'bang on the roof' of someone's vehicle. Whether you 'think' they are too close of not doesn't give you the right to touch their vehicle in any way shape or form.

One of these days someone may just get out of their car and 'bang on your roof'

You really need to curb your temper before you get yourself hurt

What gives me the right?

My right to road space, life and liberty. My right not to be intimidated or hurt by careless and dangerous drivers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Your wrong, 100% wrong, it does not give you the right to bang on, or otherwise attack other peoples vehicles !

Like it or not - YOU ARE WRONG !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Or to look at it another way, if you cut me up on your pushbike and I have to swerve to avoid you, does that then give me the right to get out of my car, drag you to the ground then jump all over your bike before wrapping it around your neck ?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Or to look at it another way, if you cut me up on your pushbike and I have to swerve to avoid you, does that then give me the right to get out of my car, drag you to the ground then jump all over your bike before wrapping it around your neck ?"

i dont think that is the equivelant reaction

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ok then given that his bike doesn't have a roof, is it ok for me to bang him on the top of the head ?

Of course it isn't, no more than it's ok for him to bang on the roof of someones car !

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By *etitesaraTV/TS over a year ago

rochdale

Different action - cutting up a car on a bicycle will only result in injury to the cyclist, not the motorist. Cutting up a cyclist in a car/driving too close and too fast can and often does result in injury and death to the cyclist.

Your response just goes to show how much value people put on inanimate possessions over other peoples lives.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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I would imagine head butting people and trying to smash bicycles into a rear windown might result in a serious incident too.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Ok then given that his bike doesn't have a roof, is it ok for me to bang him on the top of the head ?

Of course it isn't, no more than it's ok for him to bang on the roof of someones car !"

no i agree with you on that one - just thought the whole wrapping the bike round his neck was a bit OTT lol

and as for bikes pulling ot on cars not being dangerous - i beg to differ, i very nearly crashed the other day swerving to avoid an IGNORANT CYCLIST who pulled straight out of a junction in front of me but i guess if i had of hit him i would be at fault

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple over a year ago

Bolton

"Mally, next time don’t get mad, get even!

Instead of attacking a car, be nice tell the driver what the problem is and when he laughs, reach in turn off this ignition remove the keys and take them to the police!

That is what I do

Can i please urge some caution before doing as the above post says as a friend of mine did a simular thing to a driver who was swerving all over the place and d*unk as a billygoat.

He pulled up behind the guy at a junction jumped out of his car and they exchanged words he then grabbed the blokes keys and chucked them in the field to stop him killing someone in his pissed up state.

Unfortunatly after he had driven off the bloke had a heart attack and died.

The court found my mate guilty of manslaughter as they said the confrontation they had was a factor in the blokes death.

Guy got 18 months in the slammer as they said he should not have done anything more than phoned the gistapo as to do anything else makes you a vigilante in the eyes of the law

Steve

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Your response just goes to show how much value people put on inanimate possessions over other peoples lives.

And the resultant damage to the car ? Oh of course the cyclist's public liabilty insurance would cover that wouldn't it ?

What you mean you don't have insurance ? Gosh !

Oh well that's ok, the vast amount of money that I pay to insure my car will make sure that my insurers pay for the damage, and my no claims will be affected, but that's ok, no worries there eh ?

And what about banging on the roof of a 'PASSING' car, which by you own admission you have done - isn't that just a tad dangerous in itself, for example what would happen in you got snagged on the car and dragged under the wheels ?

Oh of course, I get it, you'd only bang on the car if you thought it was too close, so it would be the drivers fault if he squashed you after you sleeve snagged on his roof rack and dragged you under the car !

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By *etitesaraTV/TS over a year ago

rochdale

Depends on what happened. We don't have the law of assumed fault on the part of the motorist in this Country & all incidents are/should be judged on their merits.

I agree that there are idiot cyclists out there but there are far more drivers who think cyclists shouldn't be on the roads at all, and will drive accordingly.

I once heard an older chap say that when he first passed his test he gave cyclists plenty of room but now he was a better driver he only gave them a foot because he knew he wouldn't hit them!

To those who don't understand, try having over a ton of metal come past your right arm from only a foot away at over 50mph. Now try that when you are concentrating on the road ahead, looking at the upcoming junction and handling the potholes at the edge of the road. If you can't pass with 6ft+ to spare (width of a small car) then you cannot pass safely.

The last statistics i saw involving car Vs cyclist accidents accounted that only 17% of these incidents were the fault of the cyclist yet the cyclist was always the road user who came off worst.

http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Bloody_cyclists

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lot of anger on this thread.

What worries me is one day you'll go bonkers at someone and they either beat you up or worse pull a knife on you.

Violence begets violence. Best to diffuse situations as one day you might pick on the wrong person.

The alternative is we all become vigilantes and its the law of the jungle.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS over a year ago

rochdale

Your response just goes to show how much value people put on inanimate possessions over other peoples lives.

And the resultant damage to the car ? Oh of course the cyclist's public liabilty insurance would cover that wouldn't it ?

What you mean you don't have insurance ? Gosh !

Oh well that's ok, the vast amount of money that I pay to insure my car will make sure that my insurers pay for the damage, and my no claims will be affected, but that's ok, no worries there eh ?

The very fact the car was not 'the width of a small car' away would mean the driver had already committed an illegal act.

I have insurance as a member of the CTC, most householders also have similar liability insurance.

If you drive close enough to another road user that you cause them to fear for their lives you are at fault.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple over a year ago

Bolton

Lets just put this in context - compare a car to a push bike - mmmmmmmmm - who do you think would come off worst in an 'argument' - car drivers should be more considerate to cyclists - it ain't rocket science! Z

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By *etitesaraTV/TS over a year ago

rochdale

An interesting read from a lawyer if anyone can be bothered to read it.

http://thecyclingsilk.blogspot.com/2009/11/cycling-against-car-culture.html

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By *aughty_kittyWoman over a year ago

finger licking good

Your response just goes to show how much value people put on inanimate possessions over other peoples lives.

i may be being thick here, but aint it wrong on either side just cos u ride a bike dont mean u have more rights same for car drivers?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can we agree on some things rather than going round N round just getting more personal all the time??

Driving without due regard to other road users is an offence ( too close to cyclists) and is wrong.

Theft from a motor vehicle is an offence ( taking anything, inc keys) this is also wrong.

Assault, (headbutting, punching etc.) this is also an offence and is wrong.

Criminal damage, (kicking cars,smashing windows, with fists or cycles) is also an offence. Again wrong.

I know its not an ideal world, but two wrongs don't make a right.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Lets just put this in context - compare a car to a push bike - mmmmmmmmm - who do you think would come off worst in an 'argument' - car drivers should be more considerate to cyclists - it ain't rocket science! Z"

everyone should respect everyone

Some cycists on here have admited deliberate acts of agresion (just because its not to a person does not mean it is not considered aggresive) and that should not be tolerated as much as drivers getting too close to cyclists should not be tolerated

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Can we agree on some things rather than going round N round just getting more personal all the time??

Driving without due regard to other road users is an offence ( too close to cyclists) and is wrong.

Theft from a motor vehicle is an offence ( taking anything, inc keys) this is also wrong.

Assault, (headbutting, punching etc.) this is also an offence and is wrong.

Criminal damage, (kicking cars,smashing windows, with fists or cycles) is also an offence. Again wrong.

I know its not an ideal world, but two wrongs don't make a right. "

kind of what i was going for but more eloquently put Mr Plums

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By *etitesaraTV/TS over a year ago

rochdale

Your response just goes to show how much value people put on inanimate possessions over other peoples lives.

i may be being thick here, but aint it wrong on either side just cos u ride a bike dont mean u have more rights same for car drivers?"

Yes and no strangely enough!

No, in that a cyclist has to obey exactly the same rules and regulations that a motorist must do, & yes in that because a driver is licensed he/she can have the privilege of driving removed by a court. A cyclist cannot have that right removed unless by an Act of Parliament.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS over a year ago

rochdale

everyone should respect everyone

But an instinctive reaction to the fear of injury or death is not quite the same as a premeditated act or an act of carelessness is it?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

everyone should respect everyone

But an instinctive reaction to the fear of injury or death is not quite the same as a premeditated act or an act of carelessness is it?"

its not an instinctive reaction to fear of death - if you were scared of dying you would hold on tight to retain control of your bike - not release one hand and bang on someones roof

you are reacting out of frustration which is the same as any other road user who gets road rage - no excuse for it from any road user really

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

Nods

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By *etitesaraTV/TS over a year ago

rochdale

everyone should respect everyone

But an instinctive reaction to the fear of injury or death is not quite the same as a premeditated act or an act of carelessness is it?

its not an instinctive reaction to fear of death - if you were scared of dying you would hold on tight to retain control of your bike - not release one hand and bang on someones roof

you are reacting out of frustration which is the same as any other road user who gets road rage - no excuse for it from any road user really"

When you are in a queue of traffic, rolling along fairly slowly (say 15 mph) with the flow of traffic and a car pulls into your space and pushes you to the side of the road against parked cars/walls etc what exactly do you do to attract the drivers attention to the danger he/she is putting you in?

You don't have a horn, you can't make your voice heard over the engines/stereos etc so the ONLY recourse is to hit the car with the flat of your hand. I've only had to do it once and i really thought i was about to be seriously hurt when the stupid woman simply drove into the space i was currently occupying.

The thought of the damage possibly done to a possession is far, far further down the list than the thought of being under the wheels of the vehicle believe me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Nods "

Mod nod

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By *umourCouple over a year ago

Rushden

"Mally, next time don’t get mad, get even!

Instead of attacking a car, be nice tell the driver what the problem is and when he laughs, reach in turn off this ignition remove the keys and take them to the police!

That is what I do

If you did that then you committed an offence! You are not allowed to reach in and take anything from the inside of a car without permission! I even reported a police officer in Watford for reaching through my open passenger window and taking my tax disc! (it was legal, but there were some old ones behind it and he thought they might be forged). He was reprimanded!

Also, you would have to press charges and make statements. It would take you probably an hour, but which time the driver would have called the police himself and been told what had happened.

Then you would both be given the chance of charges and lets face it, that wouldn't happen!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If your petulance demands you vandalise someone elses property simply because you feel they have some how wronged you, need to think about another mode of transport.

Road rage of the type described is typical of the feral thug like folk who contaminate modern day society.

I and others are victims of bad driving on a daily basis but the notion that it's acceptable to lash out in response is fuckin barking.

Anyone seeking to justify this type of action really should seek medical help

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By *aughty_kittyWoman over a year ago

finger licking good

just make up sign cards like i have done and if anyone does anything wrong a pick up a sign to suit them.

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By *umourCouple over a year ago

Rushden

Has anyone else noticed? The ones who are admitting to or agreeing with violence against motorists and in the main, single guys?

The Macho stuff as well! I was surprised when the op alluded to his Dojo... I thought Marshal arts were supposed to teach you measured response if you NEED to reply with violence. "Martial arts all have a very similar objective: defend oneself or others from physical threat" Once the threat is over, no need to defend!

They are supposed to be defensive where possible but in any case, they are supposed to show you how to hold your temper!

Well, that didn't work then!

Also, what about if you had a bad meet or disagreed on a meet with one of these guys who admit to this? Can they be trusted to walk away?

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"Mally, next time don’t get mad, get even!

Instead of attacking a car, be nice tell the driver what the problem is and when he laughs, reach in turn off this ignition remove the keys and take them to the police!

That is what I do

Also, you would have to press charges and make statements. It would take you probably an hour, but which time the driver would have called the police himself and been told what had happened.

Then you would both be given the chance of charges and lets face it, that wouldn't happen!"

Well I have done that on more than one occasion, every time the police officer who has come to the desk to take charge of the keys has been in stitches as I explain what I have done. They generally require me to make a statement but that takes about 10 mins and then I am on my way.

On the other hand the person who I have taken the keys from has firstly to move his (never had a girl attempt to run me off the road) car or van off the road, not easy when the steering lock engages and you have to push your heap of metal out of the way of many angry drivers, many who have seen your first actions that have led to your discomfort and are giving you lots of stick! Then you have to get to the police station where I have gone to hand in the keys (unless it’s a real obstruction when the police will bring the keys to you along with their ire for the inconvenience you have caused). After that its back to the stranded vehicle, finally when you get to wherever you were in such a rush to get to that you were willing to run me off the road for a gain of seconds you get to explain why you are so late! No one has ever either made a statement against me or pressed charges, it costs me a little time but humiliates the other person and totally destroys their day! LoL

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The above course of action is theft - plain and simple and it is against the law.

I'd press charges against anyone who did that to me.

You do not reach into someones vehicle and take anything without consent.

As for the plod behind the desk being "been in stitches " did it ever occur to you that his laughter might have been aimed at your stupidity ?

You need to remember, there is always somebody bigger than you and one day when you reach into a car to take somebody's keys, just pray that you get your hand back - in one piece

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In fact after thinking about it again, it could even be classed as robbery dependant on the circumstances !

You go to jail for that !

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

There's been quite a few comments on this now which has surprised me, I feel my popularity has taken a massive nose dive though which I'm not best pleased about but thats the way it goes here I guess.

My doing martial arts is a discipline, one a respect immensely and I've never used it in the street although giving the type of fighting I do, it is like street fighting, I don't have anger issues its just that what happened on this particular day was a bad day in work that had gone worse on the cycle home, just that when your cycling already in a bad mood cause of the day you've just had and a motorist forces you into oncoming traffic, you just dont know and cant say how your gunna react until it happens to you.

I'd never bother with the police as I feel they have more serious matters to worry about and thats evident in some peoples comments when they have gone as far as contacting them, I'd never try and remove the car keys cause that would just escalate the situation even more.

I don't know if I'm a magnet for bad drivers but even this morning cycling in I was verbally abused by the passenger of a car overtaking me, apparently wearing cycling shorts in icy conditions opens you up for all sorts of verbal abuse

I just ignoed his comments and carried on peddling, even when I'd caught up to the vehicle at the traffic lights, the passenger chose to keep his window shut and face forward

Did I try to get the guys attention? no, he was clearly worried and frightened so I just shuffled past and carried on when the lights changed to green, I could have done the complete opposite but I didn't, having read a few comments made here I now realize that doing nothing is sometimes the best course of action unless I'm physically knocked off my bike of course.

I hope the above has saved me being burned at the stake

Happy Friday Everyone

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

“CHARLIE….. put the gasoline back in the shed”

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"“CHARLIE….. put the gasoline back in the shed”"

phew xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Your response just goes to show how much value people put on inanimate possessions over other peoples lives.

And the resultant damage to the car ? Oh of course the cyclist's public liabilty insurance would cover that wouldn't it ?

What you mean you don't have insurance ? Gosh !

Oh well that's ok, the vast amount of money that I pay to insure my car will make sure that my insurers pay for the damage, and my no claims will be affected, but that's ok, no worries there eh ?

The very fact the car was not 'the width of a small car' away would mean the driver had already committed an illegal act.

I have insurance as a member of the CTC, most householders also have similar liability insurance.

If you drive close enough to another road user that you cause them to fear for their lives you are at fault."

I have never read such a load of twaddle in all mny days.

It is quite clear you are a car hater.

You claim if a car is close enough to make someone fear fopr there life the car driver is in the wrong!!!!! RUBBISH

If i took my mum out on a bike ride she would feel unsafe if a car was within 20 yards never mind a small cars width!!!

Its not always possible to be a small cars width away from anything when you pass it be it a bike bus tractor. and if we all stopped and waited for this distance to be achievable the country would drive to a halt.

When i overtake a lorry on the motorwar in order for me to be a cars width away from it id be driving on the central reservation!!!!

If I did get to close to a biker and they come and had words with me id appologise, If they then decided to hit my car or try and throw there bike at me, id get out of the car and give them the treatment they had instore for me.

If a driver got out of his car and gave you a smack on the nose then picked your bike up and threw it under a lorry cause you was going to throw it through his window you would be screaming from the roof tops calling htis man a thug!!!

Your actions and response to feeling threatened by a motorist are likely to cause more problems than any amount of bad driving.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

can I just point out that I'm a very courteous cyclist, I don't run red lights (even pedestrian crossing with no one waiting), I don't weave through traffic if its at a standstill, I claim my space in the queue and wait, I obide by all traffic laws that are applied to any other vehicle on the road.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've only read the first few posts. Might come back to the others later when im less bothered by what im reading.

Genuine Q ? What is it that makes some drivers think they can police all other drivers ?

Why would anyone think anger and damage are their right because someone else was a bad driver ?

Avoid the obvious pathetic excuses like 'Well im only human' I lost my temper.

If you were an underdeveloped 14 year old i just might buy that excuse for a while.

Humans CAN and DO every day make sure situations are safe. Well ..... the stable adults do.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

This seems to be going full circle now.

Sorry Mally but being a curteous cyclist and not running red lights is all well and good......but as this isn't the first time you have been on the forums telling people how angry you have been with motorists and how you have punched people, kicked car doors and chased people up at the lights then it isn't worth saying you are being a curteous cyclist when you are being violent to other road users.

It is called road rage and people can get help with anger management if they wanted to.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Humans CAN and DO every day make sure situations are safe. Well ..... the stable adults do.

but unfortunately not every adult is

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

*irony*

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"This seems to be going full circle now.

It is called road rage and people can get help with anger management if they wanted to."

call it a new leaf, but those days are now behind me

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By *etitesaraTV/TS over a year ago

rochdale

Your response just goes to show how much value people put on inanimate possessions over other peoples lives.

And the resultant damage to the car ? Oh of course the cyclist's public liabilty insurance would cover that wouldn't it ?

What you mean you don't have insurance ? Gosh !

Oh well that's ok, the vast amount of money that I pay to insure my car will make sure that my insurers pay for the damage, and my no claims will be affected, but that's ok, no worries there eh ?

The very fact the car was not 'the width of a small car' away would mean the driver had already committed an illegal act.

I have insurance as a member of the CTC, most householders also have similar liability insurance.

If you drive close enough to another road user that you cause them to fear for their lives you are at fault.

I have never read such a load of twaddle in all mny days.

It is quite clear you are a car hater.

You claim if a car is close enough to make someone fear fopr there life the car driver is in the wrong!!!!! RUBBISH

If i took my mum out on a bike ride she would feel unsafe if a car was within 20 yards never mind a small cars width!!!

When i overtake a lorry on the motorwar in order for me to be a cars width away from it id be driving on the central reservation!!!!

Your actions and response to feeling threatened by a motorist are likely to cause more problems than any amount of bad driving."

Car hater - what complete rubbish.

This is yet another example of the entitlement aspect of drving - i am on the road therefore i have the right of way.

If you cannot pass a vulnerable road user (as defined by the Highway Code) with the defined amount of space then you cannot pass safely and should not attempt the manoevre, it is clearly stated it the Highway Code and i',m assuming you did read it when you passed your test?

Your reference to the motorway is pointless and disingenous as vulnerable road users are not allowed on the motorway.

You obviously think you have the right to get past a cyclist/horserider whatever the road conditions as you are faster in your car - you do not have that right.

If you make someone fear for their health and safety because of your impatience and thoughtless actions then you are wrong, if that person responds aggrssively through a rush of adrenaline it is also wrong but understandable. It is not a case of road rage where you think someone has cut you up and slowed you down for the terrible distance of a car length but the very real and present threat of serious injury and possibly death.

You say you would apologise? big deal, how about not committing that action in the first place? I'm sure the cyclist lying in the gutter with broken bones is most heartily comforted and the idea that you might actually pay attention never crossed his/her mind.

Once more, i have had a driver pull out of a side road (i had right of way according to the road markings) hitting me with his van mirror, it would have been worse if i had not been taking notice and managed to avoid the worst. I screamed at him as he pulled out, he got out of his van and attempted to punch me. I blocked his (rather pathetic) punch and did not retaliate, rather calling on the witnesses around me when i reported him.

As Mally has stated above, simply riding on the road opens you up to abuse and aggression almost daily so is it any wonder people respond by riding defensively and demanding their rights to road space - let alone responding to aggression with aggression?

Agression with a motor vehicle is still agression even though the driver does not realise it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"ffs - mally kicked the bumper of a car!!!! That had deliberately tried to knock him off his bike! Car v big toe - hardly even!!! Z"

'deliberately'? Who says?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mally, next time don’t get mad, get even!

Instead of attacking a car, be nice tell the driver what the problem is and when he laughs, reach in turn off this ignition remove the keys and take them to the police!

That is what I do

You'd be done for theft.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Feckin road users, you're all the same.

Stick to pavements like me, ok so I can only walk 30 foot either side of my home, but it means I don't step on the road.

Seems like I do the right thing looking at this thread, everyone thinking they own the road because of their choice of vehicle, all this road rage and hatred.

Can we settle this with a food fight?.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Your response just goes to show how much value people put on inanimate possessions over other peoples lives.

And the resultant damage to the car ? Oh of course the cyclist's public liabilty insurance would cover that wouldn't it ?

What you mean you don't have insurance ? Gosh !

Oh well that's ok, the vast amount of money that I pay to insure my car will make sure that my insurers pay for the damage, and my no claims will be affected, but that's ok, no worries there eh ?

The very fact the car was not 'the width of a small car' away would mean the driver had already committed an illegal act.

I have insurance as a member of the CTC, most householders also have similar liability insurance.

If you drive close enough to another road user that you cause them to fear for their lives you are at fault.

I have never read such a load of twaddle in all mny days.

It is quite clear you are a car hater.

You claim if a car is close enough to make someone fear fopr there life the car driver is in the wrong!!!!! RUBBISH

If i took my mum out on a bike ride she would feel unsafe if a car was within 20 yards never mind a small cars width!!!

When i overtake a lorry on the motorwar in order for me to be a cars width away from it id be driving on the central reservation!!!!

Your actions and response to feeling threatened by a motorist are likely to cause more problems than any amount of bad driving.

Car hater - what complete rubbish.

This is yet another example of the entitlement aspect of drving - i am on the road therefore i have the right of way.

Your reference to the motorway is pointless and disingenous as vulnerable road users are not allowed on the motorway.

You obviously think you have the right to get past a cyclist/horserider whatever the road conditions as you are faster in your car - you do not have that right.

Agression with a motor vehicle is still agression even though the driver does not realise it. "

So you go squeeling to the police when someone tries to hit you yet you think its fine for you to act in any way you see fit.

You then pass assumptions on me saying i pass people without care cause im in a car.

You cant ry and argue all you like to defend your barbaric stupid actions but everyone on here knows your actions are stupid childish moronic and downright dangerous, As others have stated what would you do if the person who has cut you up that uyou have banged on there car and threatened to chuck your bike through there windscreen decides to get out of his car and knock 7 shades out of you.

You want it all your way and in your eyes you have to put all drivers to rights cause you ride a cycle.

You quite clearly have no regard for other road users as your actions speak volumes.

you did not respond to my comment of my mother on her bike, a vehicle within 20 yards of her and she starts panicking so much so that I have to go alongside to make her feel safer. Should the drivers stop or drive on opposite side of the road to pass her,, the answer is no.

If a cyclists doesnt feel safe on the road there is only one solution. DONT GO ON THE ROAD!!!!

Im afraid of running through a live shooting range... I wouldnt go walking along through one then kick off when a bullet nearly hits me!!!

there is 2 issues here, Motorists can be arrogant sods i admit. But i also have to state that bike riders can be a danger unto themselves in being so stubborn to sit it out in the middle of a busy road even though they feel unsafe.

Its a joke.

what people are saying is correct there is always someone much bigger than you and with a much shorter temper.

You will one day shoot your mouth off and have a go at soemone and hit there car and you will end up in hospital feeling sorry for yourself even though your actions brought this on you.

And it now comes clear that you obviously belive that only cycle riders and horse riders are vulnerable on the roads.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Mally, next time don’t get mad, get even!

Instead of attacking a car, be nice tell the driver what the problem is and when he laughs, reach in turn off this ignition remove the keys and take them to the police!

That is what I do

You'd be done for theft. "

I wouldn't try it anyway, plus to your other comment, drivers see cyclists as a very low threat which is why they just pull out, plus they think they can pull out and pull away before the cyclist gets near them, my average speed when cycling is just over 25mph but can do over 30mph when theres a strong back wind so I can be right up to you before you think

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm wondering if car drivers are jealous because bicycle riders don't pay road tax.

We really need a shit stirring smiley here

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I'm wondering if car drivers are jealous because bicycle riders don't pay road tax.

We really need a shit stirring smiley here

I drive a car too but only at weekends when theres less cyclists on the road

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm wondering if car drivers are jealous because bicycle riders don't pay road tax.

We really need a shit stirring smiley here

I drive a car too but only at weekends when theres less cyclists on the road

lol.

Oh, so you bat for both sides eh.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Your response just goes to show how much value people put on inanimate possessions over other peoples lives.

i may be being thick here, but aint it wrong on either side just cos u ride a bike dont mean u have more rights same for car drivers?"

That's the most sensible thing i've read so far Kitty! You well ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Oh, so you bat for both sides eh.

yeah, i have bi in my profile

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh, so you bat for both sides eh.

yeah, i have bi in my profile

oh, gawd now I'm confused, so Bi means Bicycle user does it?.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Oh, so you bat for both sides eh.

yeah, i have bi in my profile

oh, gawd now I'm confused, so Bi means Bicycle user does it?.

yeah, although now I think about it will explain all the messages I keep getting from straight guys

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

everyone should respect everyone

But an instinctive reaction to the fear of injury or death is not quite the same as a premeditated act or an act of carelessness is it?"

No but it does show that such reactions make the person unsuitable to be a road user.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If your petulance demands you vandalise someone elses property simply because you feel they have some how wronged you, need to think about another mode of transport.

Road rage of the type described is typical of the feral thug like folk who contaminate modern day society.

I and others are victims of bad driving on a daily basis but the notion that it's acceptable to lash out in response is fuckin barking.

Anyone seeking to justify this type of action really should seek medical help

Slurp, lick, kiss ! Which ever one of you it is ..... I think it's the arsey one but you can still have the saliva xx Well said.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

can i just remind some people on here that I was knocked off my bike just before Christmas by an 18 wheeler truck that didnt stop and just carried on his merry way, I'm lucky I didnt go under the wheels, although I think some people here would have preferred that to happen