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Should "Fat-ism" be made illegal?
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Where does it stop???
Charge peeps for broken ankles due to wearing excessively high shoes?
Or car accident due to excessive speed?
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"I thought this thread did not belong to Swingers Chat!" Strange things happen with no explanation you know
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"Obeses people should be made to sweat for their benefits "And what would you say to those who are clinically obese through a medical condition? | |||
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"kitty be good ffs be good be good NO kitty be good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" . Resist the temptation to bite! Resist the temptation to bite! Resist the temptation to bite! | |||
"indeed where do you draw the line" Obesity due to an illness is very different from obesity due to greed, pity some in society don't know the difference  | |||
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"Well apart from medical conditions if someone gets so fat they cant work then there too fat to go and sign on. Yes im a fat person but it doesnt intefer with my life. Thats when its time to go on a diet" i saw u baby did not stop u doing NOTHING xxxxxxxx | |||
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"Social Services in Dundee took away the kids of obese parents because they were getting fed unhealthily and their own weight was becoming a concern for the social work department. What next, taking away the young kids who smoke as their parents also smoke and its becoming bad for their health?? " I'm confused, are you in favour of fat people or against, because you posted this earlier in the thread: "Obeses people should be made to sweat for their benefits " | |||
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"Social Services in Dundee took away the kids of obese parents because they were getting fed unhealthily and their own weight was becoming a concern for the social work department. What next, taking away the young kids who smoke as their parents also smoke and its becoming bad for their health?? I'm confused, are you in favour of fat people or against, because you posted this earlier in the thread: Obeses people should be made to sweat for their benefits "I like to confuse people. Also i am a wind up merchant | |||
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"Social Services in Dundee took away the kids of obese parents because they were getting fed unhealthily and their own weight was becoming a concern for the social work department. What next, taking away the young kids who smoke as their parents also smoke and its becoming bad for their health?? " Feeding your child to the point of putting thier life in danger is something Social Services have a duty to prevent, it is no different to beating them to death. Not all parents of obese children are themselves obese. Sometimes a child will be obese for medical reasons, but if it is neglect on the part of the parents, dietry neglect, idle neglect in providing the right type of food, guidance with regard to excericse neglect then Social Services should do something about it. As someone said, these children are being put into a position where they will be bullied, they will be verbally abused, they will die early, they will have medical problems - that is parential abuse in my opinion. | |||
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"Obeses people should be made to sweat for their benefits
And what would you say to those who are clinically obese through a medical condition? "the percentage of obese people who are that size due to medical reasons is actually very low, the vast majority of over weight people are so because they choose to be, its just that most dont want to admit to others that they are obese because they eat to much so they make up excuses like its the medication they are on etc I myself have weight over 20 stone in the past and i was as guilty of that as anyone else, because its hard to face the fact that you have dont this to yourself, but the simple fact is probably about 95% of the uk population could loose the weight IF they really wanted to, i did it so anyone can | |||
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Im not fat cos of my medical condition nor is my condition made worse by me being fat, it also will not get better if (and thats a huge big fat my arse sized if lol) I lose my extra weight - I have been told this by plastic surgeons, and consultant dermatologists.
But I still try to do as much for myself as I can and not allow my condition to rule my life any more than it already does
However I personally know 2 people who have disregarded doctors advice and not helped themselves get disability living allowance, mainly cos they are too fat to look after themselves!!!!
Both were offered operations to fix the underlying medical problem both turned them down saying if the problem was fixed then they wouldnt be able to claim the DLA
I personally think both should have been made to pay back every penny they have received since turning down the operations, on the basis that they refused doctors treatment and knowingly chose to ignore medical advice.
I may complain about not getting help when I need it but thats cos I have to jump thru so many hoops to get the help I need because so many before me have wrongly claimed for things they dont need or deserve.
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"According to a report in a national newspaper, some fat people claim they're to fat to work, now, whilst I agree some levels of obesity are medically related not all cases are. Some campaigners are now asking for legislation, claiming “Fat-ism” should be made illegal. I have mixed feelings on this, since when has it been compulsory to get fat? However, it seems unfair to label all fat people with the those who are to lazy to get off their fat bum." Since when has it been compulsory to be gay? | |||
"just as a matter of interest could someone explain to me on what medical grounds does one gets fat. I mean a normal healthy person who has all the same choices as you and me... Then has a medical complaint that makes them fat !!!! I am not taking the piss but would really like to know. I was a fat person once but chose to be that way. I am no longer fat but chose to be that way.!!!!" There are a number of medical conditions that cause people to put on weight and a number of medications that have the same effect. that said they are also well documented and a good Dr should be able to help you control weight gain and effective medication management may help lower the risk of putting on weight | |||
"just as a matter of interest could someone explain to me on what medical grounds does one gets fat. I mean a normal healthy person who has all the same choices as you and me... Then has a medical complaint that makes them fat !!!! I am not taking the piss but would really like to know. I was a fat person once but chose to be that way. I am no longer fat but chose to be that way.!!!!" Well .if said person was knocked down and couldnt move etc. they MAY put weight on. If said person had a crippling illness which meant they couldnt exercise,or move about as much. they MAY put weight on. There are many differing factors. And yes , some drugs taken do put weight on. Steroids for example. | |||
"Social Services in Dundee took away the kids of obese parents because they were getting fed unhealthily and their own weight was becoming a concern for the social work department." I know a family where the mother does not cook meals she phones the local take away to get pizzas and chips delivered almost every night for her 2 kids
neither of the boys are fat nor is the mother but I feel she is just as wrong as the case mentioned above.
I am fat my kids and husband arent.
However I was once told my eldest was fat - cos the health visitor who did the weight didnt think to measure how tall my daughter was. Once her height was taken into consideration hey presto she was well within the "normal" range for her age
I know what made me fat so I make sure my kids eat as healthily as they can but still allow treats and they get plenty exersize - infact it has come to the point with my 11 year old I hardly see her cos she is always out with her mates on their bikes makes for a quiet life I can tell you 
Shona
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"According to a report in a national newspaper, some fat people claim they're to fat to work, now, whilst I agree some levels of obesity are medically related not all cases are. Some campaigners are now asking for legislation, claiming “Fat-ism” should be made illegal. I have mixed feelings on this, since when has it been compulsory to get fat? However, it seems unfair to label all fat people with the those who are to lazy to get off their fat bum. Since when has it been compulsory to be gay? " Homosexuality is not a choice! | |||
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"According to a report in a national newspaper, some fat people claim they're to fat to work, now, whilst I agree some levels of obesity are medically related not all cases are. Some campaigners are now asking for legislation, claiming “Fat-ism” should be made illegal. I have mixed feelings on this, since when has it been compulsory to get fat? However, it seems unfair to label all fat people with the those who are to lazy to get off their fat bum. Since when has it been compulsory to be gay? " being gay is not a choice tho is it? you dont choose your sexuality, for most over weight people it is, wether they choose to admit its their fault they are fat or not is irrelevant, the fact is most obese people are so because of their life style there for its is their choice and if they choose to be abese then they shouldnt get any help money wise, and should be made to loose weight so they can work like the rest of us | |||
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"According to a report in a national newspaper, some fat people claim they're to fat to work, now, whilst I agree some levels of obesity are medically related not all cases are. Some campaigners are now asking for legislation, claiming “Fat-ism” should be made illegal. I have mixed feelings on this, since when has it been compulsory to get fat? However, it seems unfair to label all fat people with the those who are to lazy to get off their fat bum." Well I think there should be a review in the benefit system so people who get fat cannot claim. Its no different than someone avoiding going for interviews etc. Give them an ultimatum. Get fit enough to work in 6 months or loose your benefits. We namby pamby to far too many groups these days and its plain stupid of society. | |||
"dont think its right at all to hold any form of discrimintaion . so maybe they should get some protectrion against abuse same as anyone else . however i do think that maybe education is the key and help with strings attached perhaps . such as we will help but you have got to help yourself , simple things like maybe for example the family in dundee going a walk twice a week , maybe get the kids on a bike etc , if they refused help and education then maybe they should have benefits cut ? im not saying all "over weight" people are like this , indeed i used to be a wee bit chunkier shall we say but its an easy thing to change if your willing to put the work in . " Education is the key, the sad thing is children turn into adult and they take their bad eating habbits with them, if you eat wrongly your going to feed your children wrongly and they will carry on doing so into adult life, because its normal to them, i myself know this from first hand experience and its not something im proud of, i myself used to weight over 20 stone and this was because i ate shit, but i also fed my kids on what i ate, there for my kids was big, my middle daughter was a size 18 at 13 years old, and at the time i saw nothing wrong with that because i was so big myself, now i love my kids and i stand by that, all because i fed them shit and made them over weight does not mean i didnt love them, the thing is your blinded by your actions at the time, because it seems normal to you, i did, however, a while back join weight watchers and lost over 8 stone, now i never put any of my kids on diets but because i was cooking healthy for me i cooked healthy for the kids too because i wasnt cooking two meals lol and all my kids lost weight without even trying, simply because they ate what mum gave them and my middle daughter went down to a size 12, but had i not lost the weight, they wouldnt have lost the weight and they would have been set up for a life time of obesity and it would have been noones fault but mine for not setting a good example and educating them right, problem is we live in a society of take aways and its just normal now days to go to the chippy, dial out a pizza etc and big is getting more acceptable, its like they say now days a size 16 isnt big its normal, when my gran was young a size 16 was big because of their life styles most women was a lot slimmer than today, now a size 16 is still a size 16 its just because more women are that size now days it seems more normal but its still the same size as it was 60 years ago! | |||
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"Maybe councils should have a cull on the amount of fast food shops that seem to be opening weekly all over the place No need to even get off the sofa,just phone an order and its at your door in 30 mins" But like smoking, they are happy for the taxes to come in from these fast food places. | |||
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"this arguement bugs the daylights out of me!!! ok if you fat for a medical reason ie steriods or mobility issues and so forth then fair enough your weight along with other factors is goin to make it very difficult for you to work so you should be entitled to the same safety net as other people who are sick!! but if you fat cause you shovel in enough food to keep a family of 5 goin for a week then im sorry but no!! get up off your fat arse and move around and eat less!! this oh there an orlistat or an alli pill its not the solution!!! im sorry if i offend anyone with this but im sick hearin it!! yes i am fat and its my own fault and only i can do somethin about it!! it doesnt affect my daily living i work i study i do stuff with kid!! and here my next one....fat kids its the parents fault for god sake take responsibility you choose what to buy you choose what to feed them you choose to give them a fiver for a kebab instead of goin to football park or whatever!! rant over sorry if i have offended anyone!! x"Spot on kids only get fat due to what parents let them shovel down there necks. It is lack of parental care and how anyone can make excuses for letting kids get obese baffles me. | |||
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"dont think its right at all to hold any form of discrimintaion . so maybe they should get some protectrion against abuse same as anyone else . however i do think that maybe education is the key and help with strings attached perhaps . such as we will help but you have got to help yourself , simple things like maybe for example the family in dundee going a walk twice a week , maybe get the kids on a bike etc , if they refused help and education then maybe they should have benefits cut ? im not saying all "over weight" people are like this , indeed i used to be a wee bit chunkier shall we say but its an easy thing to change if your willing to put the work in . Education is the key, the sad thing is children turn into adult and they take their bad eating habbits with them, if you eat wrongly your going to feed your children wrongly and they will carry on doing so into adult life, because its normal to them, i myself know this from first hand experience and its not something im proud of, i myself used to weight over 20 stone and this was because i ate shit, but i also fed my kids on what i ate, there for my kids was big, my middle daughter was a size 18 at 13 years old, and at the time i saw nothing wrong with that because i was so big myself, now i love my kids and i stand by that, all because i fed them shit and made them over weight does not mean i didnt love them, the thing is your blinded by your actions at the time, because it seems normal to you, i did, however, a while back join weight watchers and lost over 8 stone, now i never put any of my kids on diets but because i was cooking healthy for me i cooked healthy for the kids too because i wasnt cooking two meals lol and all my kids lost weight without even trying, simply because they ate what mum gave them and my middle daughter went down to a size 12, but had i not lost the weight, they wouldnt have lost the weight and they would have been set up for a life time of obesity and it would have been noones fault but mine for not setting a good example and educating them right, problem is we live in a society of take aways and its just normal now days to go to the chippy, dial out a pizza etc and big is getting more acceptable, its like they say now days a size 16 isnt big its normal, when my gran was young a size 16 was big because of their life styles most women was a lot slimmer than today, now a size 16 is still a size 16 its just because more women are that size now days it seems more normal but its still the same size as it was 60 years ago!" I just want to say what a refreshing frank and honest post Nympho made. You saw that you were responsible for your family's eating habits and did something about it, the fact you look great after taking control and losing weight is an added bonus. I too feel that the old adage is true, you are what you eat.. eat shit = look shit, whether you are big or small in size. I too sometimes have McD's or other fast food, all things in moderation as they say, but wouldn't it be nice when going to the counter and asking for what you want they don't try to up the size of the meal? That's encouraging over-eating, maybe they should leave you with your choice. Once again, well done on you and your family's weight loss and congratulations on being the one to take responsibility for the change to a healthier diet, and to your happy family. xxxxxx | |||
We took our old dears out last week for lunch and my god. the sizes were humungous. they couldnt eat the amout given and some were quite alarmed at the meal its self. Doggy bags to the rescue. i always carry some.
So they had two meals for the price of one.
I myself asked for a childs portion and was told no.
so i argued and stood my ground and WON. | |||
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"Upsizing meals is now becomming more apparant in some places. Just like the usa.
We took our old dears out last week for lunch and my god. the sizes were humungous. they couldnt eat the amout given and some were quite alarmed at the meal its self. Doggy bags to the rescue. i always carry some.
So they had two meals for the price of one.
I myself asked for a childs portion and was told no.
so i argued and stood my ground and WON. "When I was undergoing chemo I looked like a twig but had no appetite, I was often given funny looks and muttered at for asking for half or child portions. The mere thought of cooking made me sick so I ate out with the family to ensure they got a good meal, fortunately many local restaurants who know me were willing to accept my reasons for small portions. But I resented being accused of anorexia, eating disorders etc merely because I wanted a small portion. Our local pub does older people portions for the same reason, they just cannot eat all that is served as a 'normal' sized portion. xxxx | |||
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"Well for them that think all bigger peeps eat tons... I want it known that as of yet ive eaten nowt as im not hungry "Opposite end here Peaches, I'm a skinny minnie and scoff for Scotland, fortunately my metabolism burns off all the calories... all my family are the same. Lucky for me I have the skinny gene or I would find it the hardest thing in the world to have to diet or watch my calorific intake xxxx | |||
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The OP's question was about fat people being able to claim benefits for being too fat to work...I personally think that's another enabler this government has introduced!!
Being fat is not an illness, neither is being a brood mare to dozens of kids, or being too dumb to finish school and surprised that the Fortune 500 are not head hunting you.
People have to take responsibility for their own actions and giving fatties (amongst others) the opportunity to say "not my fault" benefits no one!!
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"I don't understand why people feel the need to justify themselves!
The OP's question was about fat people being able to claim benefits for being too fat to work...I personally think that's another enabler this government has introduced!!
Being fat is not an illness, neither is being a brood mare to dozens of kids, or being too dumb to finish school and surprised that the Fortune 500 are not head hunting you.
People have to take responsibility for their own actions and giving fatties (amongst others) the opportunity to say "not my fault" benefits no one!!
"Well said weight is something anyone can sort if they have the willpower. But its not right that overweight people can calm they are too fat to work without doing anything about it. | |||
"I don't understand why people feel the need to justify themselves!
The OP's question was about fat people being able to claim benefits for being too fat to work...I personally think that's another enabler this government has introduced!!
Being fat is not an illness, neither is being a brood mare to dozens of kids, or being too dumb to finish school and surprised that the Fortune 500 are not head hunting you.
People have to take responsibility for their own actions and giving fatties (amongst others) the opportunity to say "not my fault" benefits no one!!
Well said weight is something anyone can sort if they have the willpower. But its not right that overweight people can calm they are too fat to work without doing anything about it."Similar tale with smoking, drinking, drug taking, etc etc. | |||
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"They who dont work are not just fat but lazy too. I am a larger lady have regular sexercise single parent and have worked hard to provie for my girls." theres a difference between being over weight and being to fat to work, lots of over weight people work, i think this thread is about people who are past the point of being over weight where its becoming a handycap for them | |||
" Being fat is not an illness " no its not but being obese causes illnesses and thats what they are playing on, being obese causes walking problems, back problems, breathing problems etc and thats why they are unable to work, because they cant stand all day, cant walk about all day, cant bend properly, cant lift heavy things etc But Sticking them on benifits which means they dont have to sort their lifes out helps noone least of all them Of course everyone needs to pay bills and eat but in my opinion they should only get money off the state so long as they are trying to sort themselves out, if they remand the same weight ofter several months their money should stop, i wouldnt be able to sit on my arse all day and claim benifits so why the hell should i pay taxes so they can? | |||
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"I dont mean any offence in what i say but its amazing how many experts and opinions we have about people bieng overweight and what should be done etc by those of average weight and those who have probably never had a weight problem in their lives. be it a few pounds . If it was or is so bloody easy to rectify the situation i think most would . Walk a mile in their shoes ........... Before labelling them all the same please "I wonder how many of those smoke. | |||
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"After all is said and done, most people who are fat have made that lifestyle choice! End of!!! Even disabled people can limit the amount of weight they put on by reducing their intake to match their calorific spend. Trouble is... There is no real stigma to being overweight any more. The British population is getting larger and in the not too distant future, proportioned people will be unusual! A friend of ours has a thyroid problem and she has put on weight, but when the mothers at the school gate found this out, it was unbelievable how many other mums had the same condition. People today are just too lazy to excersise and the result is...... FAT!!! " I'm sorry, but I find 'end of!!' one of the most arrogant sayings I can think of. Your post is your opinion (to use your saying), end of, not fact, but opinion. obesity can easily be brought on by a condition, Depression, many sufferers eat to console themselves, that in turn makes them tired and so they sleep taking away the feeling for a short time, it's a vicious circle. Not always a lifestyle choice. Are we to scoff at those that end up with cancers through smoking? | |||
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"i find your persistant digs at smokers and anythin else u dont agree with offensive but dont give a shit as it is YOUR opinion!! they are like arseholes ya know we all got one but some dont share!!! x" No digs, not at all, a simple question. I've not shared my opinion on it, as far as I remember, but make the point, one man's poison, another man's meat. (pardon the food pun, lol) | |||
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"ohh but you have!! everything gets twisted round to smokers!! we take the hint we know you dont like us but tough!! if we all stopped the nhs would be in a worse state because there would be even less money to fund it!! yes we probably killin ourselfs but so are drinkers over eaters under eaters drug addicts and god knows how else!!! now lets shake hands!! xx "Wrong, my partner is a smoker, and guess what, I don't make her sleep outside. My point is, where will it all end, if we are to say those that eat too much should not be allowed this or that because they are causing themselves harm, then what about the rest that cause themselves harm? smokers being the most common and more accepted than drug takers and alcoholics. I'm simply putting things into perspective, not looking down my nose at others, far from it, quite the opposite, just hoping people may think twice. | |||
"ohh but you have!! everything gets twisted round to smokers!! we take the hint we know you dont like us but tough!! if we all stopped the nhs would be in a worse state because there would be even less money to fund it!! yes we probably killin ourselfs but so are drinkers over eaters under eaters drug addicts and god knows how else!!! now lets shake hands!! xx "I read back, and No I haven't expressed my opinion, but have left food for thought (another food pun, I'm doing well, lol) | |||
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"you hungry?? lol xx" Maybe I am, but I shouldn't be, I've already eaten, but that take away is calling to me. | |||
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"you hungry?? lol xx Maybe I am, but I shouldn't be, I've already eaten, but that take away is calling to me. "have the scottish delicacy the deep fried pizza supper!! xx | |||
"u all eat too much, ur sicking up BULLSHIT hahahha" You're not too big to go over my knee young lady. | |||
"you hungry?? lol xx Maybe I am, but I shouldn't be, I've already eaten, but that take away is calling to me.
have the scottish delicacy the deep fried pizza supper!! xx "you are joking right, there isn't really a deep fried pizza, please tell me there isn't. | |||
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"there is!!!!!! i had one the nite lol first time ever!! x" ew, what is it like?. I've heard in the north east of a parma (think it's spelt). | |||
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"vile!!!!!! yuck lol xx "I can imagine, but believe the deep fried mars bars taste good, though not sure I fancy trying them. | |||
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"Heading north of the border on Sunday.......so that will be no veg for a week "Might be able to get it deep fried.
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"i was just thinkin that chips are potatoes potatoes are a veg!!! see bonks u will get veg!! xx "Full Scots each morning and Haggis at least 3 times in the week, feckin yum yum | |||
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"i was just thinkin that chips are potatoes potatoes are a veg!!! see bonks u will get veg!! xx
Full Scots each morning and Haggis at least 3 times in the week, feckin yum yum "Thinking this is what you are getting at, and for those others if so. Here's an interesting little fact, the full English breakfast was actually thought up by a Scotsman. | |||
"According to a report in a national newspaper, some fat people claim they're to fat to work, now, whilst I agree some levels of obesity are medically related not all cases are. Some campaigners are now asking for legislation, claiming “Fat-ism” should be made illegal. I have mixed feelings on this, since when has it been compulsory to get fat? However, it seems unfair to label all fat people with the those who are to lazy to get off their fat bum." its the buggers on those mobility trollies that i dont like.....they try and run me over im sure..fecking things | |||
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"Obeses people should be made to sweat for their benefits
And what would you say to those who are clinically obese through a medical condition? "It's weird though, how come you never saw any obese people in Prisoner of War or Labour Camps. Amongst the half starved inmates you didn't have a fat person saying "It's hard labour from dawn to dusk 24/7 on half a cup of rice a day and look at me,it must be my glands" or "I've just got a slow metabolism!".
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"I dont mean any offence in what i say but its amazing how many experts and opinions we have about people bieng overweight and what should be done etc by those of average weight and those who have probably never had a weight problem in their lives. be it a few pounds . If it was or is so bloody easy to rectify the situation i think most would . Walk a mile in their shoes ........... Before labelling them all the same please "But many of them don't walk now,they've taken to riding round on those electric "obesecycles",so that they can get fatter with less discomfort. As for the ones on benefits,they must be on a Hell of a handout to get the size they do. R
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"i personally think that over weight people should only get banifits cause they are unfit to work if they are proving they are trying to loose weight if they make no effort to help themselves then why should us, the tax payer, keep them?" Maybe we should just round them up and shoot them.....there must be loads of groups we could do this to as well, make it far easier on the poor tax payers. | |||
"i personally think that over weight people should only get banifits cause they are unfit to work if they are proving they are trying to loose weight if they make no effort to help themselves then why should us, the tax payer, keep them? Maybe we should just round them up and shoot them.....there must be loads of groups we could do this to as well, make it far easier on the poor tax payers." shall we line up the drug addicts, gamblers and other addicts as well? | |||
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"Noooooooooooooo Dont shoot me, im only just learning how to trainspot "should nt train spotting be mentioned on the "boring" thread | |||
"i personally think that over weight people should only get banifits cause they are unfit to work if they are proving they are trying to loose weight if they make no effort to help themselves then why should us, the tax payer, keep them? Maybe we should just round them up and shoot them.....there must be loads of groups we could do this to as well, make it far easier on the poor tax payers. shall we line up the drug addicts, gamblers and other addicts as well? "I am sure there are some on here who could come up with a kill list of groups they think they are personally paying for.... Sad really | |||
"i personally think that over weight people should only get banifits cause they are unfit to work if they are proving they are trying to loose weight if they make no effort to help themselves then why should us, the tax payer, keep them? Maybe we should just round them up and shoot them.....there must be loads of groups we could do this to as well, make it far easier on the poor tax payers. shall we line up the drug addicts, gamblers and other addicts as well? "of course, if they no good to us shoot the lot lol seriously tho the threads not aboutr druggies and d*unks its about people being so over weight they cant look after themselves if your life is effected that bad by your weight that you can no longer work then the goverment should be making more of an effort to help these people i mean surely noone really wants that standard of life? so only paying them if they are loosing weight had got to be a good thing? or am i the only person who dont think....fuck it its their lifes let them eat themselves into a early grave? some people need help to help themselves | |||
"Noooooooooooooo Dont shoot me, im only just learning how to trainspot
should nt train spotting be mentioned on the "boring" thread "I thought i would try gentle exercise first and work me way up | |||
"i personally think that over weight people should only get banifits cause they are unfit to work if they are proving they are trying to loose weight if they make no effort to help themselves then why should us, the tax payer, keep them? Maybe we should just round them up and shoot them.....there must be loads of groups we could do this to as well, make it far easier on the poor tax payers. shall we line up the drug addicts, gamblers and other addicts as well?
I am sure there are some on here who could come up with a kill list of groups they think they are personally paying for....
Sad really"now now i never said kill anyone lol | |||
" if your life is effected that bad by your weight that you can no longer work then the goverment should be making more of an effort to help these people i mean surely noone really wants that standard of life? so only paying them if they are loosing weight had got to be a good thing? or am i the only person who dont think....fuck it its their lifes let them eat themselves into a early grave? some people need help to help themselves " Agreed to a degree, however, some causes of obesity clearly fall under the Mental Health Guidelines - namely addiction behaviour, compulsive overeating etc and it really is not always so easy to help oneself. I cannot believe that any human being decides one morning, let's get fat, aim for high blood pressure, high cholesterol levels, loss of mobility etc never mind loss of socialisation opportunities and enjoyment of life. The point I am making... it is not always easy, sometimes it requires a lot more than incentives. | |||
" if your life is effected that bad by your weight that you can no longer work then the goverment should be making more of an effort to help these people i mean surely noone really wants that standard of life? so only paying them if they are loosing weight had got to be a good thing? or am i the only person who dont think....fuck it its their lifes let them eat themselves into a early grave? some people need help to help themselves Agreed to a degree, however, some causes of obesity clearly fall under the Mental Health Guidelines - namely addiction behaviour, compulsive overeating etc and it really is not always so easy to help oneself. I cannot believe that any human being decides one morning, let's get fat, aim for high blood pressure, high cholesterol levels, loss of mobility etc never mind loss of socialisation opportunities and enjoyment of life. The point I am making... it is not always easy, sometimes it requires a lot more than incentives. " humm not sure, i dont want to come over as a know it all but i am quite up on such subjects, i suffer from CED and have done for many years, and it is classed as a mental illness and ive been on medication for it for, again many years, i did however loose 9 stone a cpl years back, which many members on here who know me can confirm, im not just making it up to prove my point, yes i agree most very over weight peoples weight is down to ilness of some kind but that does not mean the illness can not be over come with the right help and thats the point im trying to make, these people need the right help, because believe me, and i know a lot of people who suffer from what i have from hospital etc, people are not happy being so big they just feel lost | |||
" humm not sure, i dont want to come over as a know it all but i am quite up on such subjects, i suffer from CED and have done for many years, and it is classed as a mental illness and ive been on medication for it for, again many years, i did however loose 9 stone a cpl years back, which many members on here who know me can confirm, im not just making it up to prove my point, yes i agree most very over weight peoples weight is down to ilness of some kind but that does not mean the illness can not be over come with the right help and thats the point im trying to make, these people need the right help, because believe me, and i know a lot of people who suffer from what i have from hospital etc, people are not happy being so big they just feel lost" You are clearly very proud of your amazing achievement - and rightly so. But I'm afraid you're coming across as the worst kind of reformed 'offender' (be it smoking, drinking or, in your case, eating) and your horse is pretty damned high from where I'm standing. You refer to the severely obese as 'these people' like they're an alien race, secure in the knowledge that YOU think you have found the key to success and are no longer a part of the obese scum of society. Whilst I am hugely happy for you, I am one of those who is still struggling to find that key. I myself lost 10st in 2006 and thought I'd cracked it only to regain 5 of it a few years later due to issues I don't need to discuss here... so be careful not to get too smug about your success. It can all go very wrong when you least expect it. I'd have thought that you of all people would know that most people respond better to a carrot than to a stick. You say 'these people' need help then propose that this 'help' should come in the form of taking away their basic human rights. How very humanitarian of you. All sections of society should be encouraged to play a useful, productive role whereby they contribute to the overall welfare of the state but no single section should be pilloried or singled out which is what seems to be happening here. Help means just that. It could be in the form of NHS run diet and exercise classes coupled with group cognitive therapy ... as it is now, go to your GP asking for help with weight issues and you're likely just to get a prescription for Xenical thrown at you. Nobody wants to pay taxes to maintain the feckless or work-shy but let's not use that as a reason to stir up a witch hunt against specific sections of society, referring to them as if they were sub-human. Less than a century ago there was a guy in Germany who took that attitude ... but not to worry - extreme views could never be taken too far - could they?? | |||
" All sections of society should be encouraged to play a useful, productive role whereby they contribute to the overall welfare of the state but no single section should be pilloried or singled out which is what seems to be happening here. Help means just that. It could be in the form of NHS run diet and exercise classes coupled with group cognitive therapy ... as it is now, go to your GP asking for help with weight issues and you're likely just to get a prescription for Xenical thrown at you. Nobody wants to pay taxes to maintain the feckless or work-shy but let's not use that as a reason to stir up a witch hunt against specific sections of society, referring to them as if they were sub-human. Less than a century ago there was a guy in Germany who took that attitude ... but not to worry - extreme views could never be taken too far - could they??" That was what I was trying to say earlier - it is somehow wrong (in my view of the world, which of course may well be different for others) to pick on ANY minority for being different. The overweight are only one group who are often labelled with negative attributes, some of which could not be further from the truth eg "being fat means you are lesss intelligent and lazy, workshy etc" You are quite right that from this stance of isolation and attribution of negative traits history has shown that it can mean only a small step to the next, more drastic move... | |||
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"According to a report in a national newspaper, some fat people claim they're to fat to work, now, whilst I agree some levels of obesity are medically related not all cases are. Some campaigners are now asking for legislation, claiming “Fat-ism” should be made illegal. I have mixed feelings on this, since when has it been compulsory to get fat? However, it seems unfair to label all fat people with the those who are to lazy to get off their fat bum." Rag newspapers should. stirring it up with their bldy spanners. | |||
" humm not sure, i dont want to come over as a know it all but i am quite up on such subjects, i suffer from CED and have done for many years, and it is classed as a mental illness and ive been on medication for it for, again many years, i did however loose 9 stone a cpl years back, which many members on here who know me can confirm, im not just making it up to prove my point, yes i agree most very over weight peoples weight is down to ilness of some kind but that does not mean the illness can not be over come with the right help and thats the point im trying to make, these people need the right help, because believe me, and i know a lot of people who suffer from what i have from hospital etc, people are not happy being so big they just feel lost You are clearly very proud of your amazing achievement - and rightly so. But I'm afraid you're coming across as the worst kind of reformed 'offender' (be it smoking, drinking or, in your case, eating) and your horse is pretty damned high from where I'm standing. You refer to the severely obese as 'these people' like they're an alien race, secure in the knowledge that YOU think you have found the key to success and are no longer a part of the obese scum of society. Whilst I am hugely happy for you, I am one of those who is still struggling to find that key. I myself lost 10st in 2006 and thought I'd cracked it only to regain 5 of it a few years later due to issues I don't need to discuss here... so be careful not to get too smug about your success. It can all go very wrong when you least expect it. I'd have thought that you of all people would know that most people respond better to a carrot than to a stick. You say 'these people' need help then propose that this 'help' should come in the form of taking away their basic human rights. How very humanitarian of you. All sections of society should be encouraged to play a useful, productive role whereby they contribute to the overall welfare of the state but no single section should be pilloried or singled out which is what seems to be happening here. Help means just that. It could be in the form of NHS run diet and exercise classes coupled with group cognitive therapy ... as it is now, go to your GP asking for help with weight issues and you're likely just to get a prescription for Xenical thrown at you. Nobody wants to pay taxes to maintain the feckless or work-shy but let's not use that as a reason to stir up a witch hunt against specific sections of society, referring to them as if they were sub-human. Less than a century ago there was a guy in Germany who took that attitude ... but not to worry - extreme views could never be taken too far - could they??" i think you have totally taken what i have said the wrong way im not reformed im not cured im not slim i certainly do not think anyone over weight is scum!! i still have CED and i most likely always will, if you met me 5 times i would be a different size every time you met me i am 'these people' i struggle every day of my life with my weight, if i had found the 'key to sucsess' i wouldnt still be struggling, i have no key i lost most of my weight by chucking up and taking laxatives because it was the only way i knew how food addiction is a odd one because unlike any other addiction you cant go cold turkey, its like treating a alcholic but giving him 3 pints a day, it just wouldnt work but thats what over weight people have to do with food, its hard I do not think im anything special or that i have acheived anything special, needing to loose that much weight is nothing to be proud of, i mearly said it to show help is out there and not to look down my nose at anyone | |||
" That was what I was trying to say earlier - it is somehow wrong (in my view of the world, which of course may well be different for others) to pick on ANY minority for being different. The overweight are only one group who are often labelled with negative attributes, some of which could not be further from the truth eg "being fat means you are lesss intelligent and lazy, workshy etc" You are quite right that from this stance of isolation and attribution of negative traits history has shown that it can mean only a small step to the next, more drastic move..." And it usually starts with people grouping other people together by using a collective noun... "The overweight"
By the way, I do not have "a much reduced quality of life" , far from it. I also do NOY have high blood pressure, I do not have high cholesterol levels, I do not have loss of mobility, never mind the fact I have no loss of socialisation opportunities and enjoyment of life. | |||
" i think you have totally taken what i have said the wrong way im not reformed im not cured im not slim i certainly do not think anyone over weight is scum!! i still have CED and i most likely always will, if you met me 5 times i would be a different size every time you met me i am 'these people' i struggle every day of my life with my weight, if i had found the 'key to sucsess' i wouldnt still be struggling, i have no key i lost most of my weight by chucking up and taking laxatives because it was the only way i knew how food addiction is a odd one because unlike any other addiction you cant go cold turkey, its like treating a alcholic but giving him 3 pints a day, it just wouldnt work but thats what over weight people have to do with food, its hard I do not think im anything special or that i have acheived anything special, needing to loose that much weight is nothing to be proud of, i mearly said it to show help is out there and not to look down my nose at anyone" But you refer to the obese as 'these people', you suggest 'they' have their benefits stopped if they aren't losing weight, your resent them being classed as disabled in any way (I assume because you got a grip of your CED and they haven't), you say if you can do it anyone can, which is guarenteed to make anyone who is still struggling feel like a total failure - so maybe you can understand how I took what you said the wrong way. I saw no ambiguity ... there didn't seem any other way to take it. I still, however, applaud your achievement. 9st is an amazing loss so well done. | |||
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"I think we could argue till the cows come home on such emotive subjects. We all make misinformed/and or informed judgements every day. Maybe if we just have respect for a fellow human bieng regardless of size be it to big or too small. regardless of creed or colour... Then the world may be a happier place to be in. But then im away with the fairies and like nice thoughts "Peaches for PM!! | |||
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