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I'm getting a bit fed up with the 'United Nations' and the rest of the world not doing anything about what's happening in Syria. Have we not learnt anything from history? We're just letting that regime get away with barbaric acts because no one has the balls to step in and do something. We can't just stand idle while The regime does what it likes. The Syrians are taking the mickey now, cos they know no-one has the balls to stand up to them and do something  |
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"I'm getting a bit fed up with the 'United Nations' and the rest of the world not doing anything about what's happening in Syria. Have we not learnt anything from history? We're just letting that regime get away with barbaric acts because no one has the balls to step in and do something. We can't just stand idle while The regime does what it likes. The Syrians are taking the mickey now, cos they know no-one has the balls to stand up to them and do something "
So what do you advocate? |
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"We must not get involved in what's happening in Syria."
Why not? You could give us your reason for not wanting us to intervene...
I wouldn't want to be sending our soldiers to another middle eastern conflict as I don't think it does much apart from delaying the inevitable anyhow. Unless it would guarantee a lasting peace, which it won't, then they should be left to sort it out themselves.
Maybe the Libya method, enforce a no fly zone over the country and level the playing field with weapon supplies. The Russians aren't going to like that though and may support the regime in control at the moment.
I'm not so sure that the government will want to standby and watch the mass murder of civilians by chemical or biological weapons. If it was the (supposedly) main reason for invading Iraq then to stand by and let it actually happen in Syria is a little hypocritical to say the least, not that that seems to worry any of our recent governments anyhow. If the USA goes in we'll probably hang onto the shirt tails once again no matter what the general populace think. At least Obama is a little more reserved than Bush when it comes to invading other countries. |
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"I'm getting a bit fed up with the 'United Nations' and the rest of the world not doing anything about what's happening in Syria. Have we not learnt anything from history? We're just letting that regime get away with barbaric acts because no one has the balls to step in and do something. We can't just stand idle while The regime does what it likes. The Syrians are taking the mickey now, cos they know no-one has the balls to stand up to them and do something So what do you advocate?"
There's no easy solution to this, but I think the rest of the world should be doing more than just giving statements and idle warnings. Its been going on for so long now, and because the rest of the world have stood back and done very little about it, Assad thinks he can get away with anything now. We have to confront him in some way or other, but I know there's no easy solution. It just doesn't feel right sitting back and doing nothing. |
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"I'm getting a bit fed up with the 'United Nations' and the rest of the world not doing anything about what's happening in Syria. Have we not learnt anything from history? We're just letting that regime get away with barbaric acts because no one has the balls to step in and do something. We can't just stand idle while The regime does what it likes. The Syrians are taking the mickey now, cos they know no-one has the balls to stand up to them and do something So what do you advocate?
There's no easy solution to this, but I think the rest of the world should be doing more than just giving statements and idle warnings. Its been going on for so long now, and because the rest of the world have stood back and done very little about it, Assad thinks he can get away with anything now. We have to confront him in some way or other, but I know there's no easy solution. It just doesn't feel right sitting back and doing nothing."
I must admit I didn't think that I'd be reading about Iraq struggling with an influx of refugees anytime soon a few months ago... |
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"I'm getting a bit fed up with the 'United Nations' and the rest of the world not doing anything about what's happening in Syria. Have we not learnt anything from history? We're just letting that regime get away with barbaric acts because no one has the balls to step in and do something. We can't just stand idle while The regime does what it likes. The Syrians are taking the mickey now, cos they know no-one has the balls to stand up to them and do something So what do you advocate?
There's no easy solution to this, but I think the rest of the world should be doing more than just giving statements and idle warnings. Its been going on for so long now, and because the rest of the world have stood back and done very little about it, Assad thinks he can get away with anything now. We have to confront him in some way or other, but I know there's no easy solution. It just doesn't feel right sitting back and doing nothing."
The Americans would not, no cannot commit to another sojourn in the middle east. If the oils stops........maybe they will! |
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"I'm getting a bit fed up with the 'United Nations' and the rest of the world not doing anything about what's happening in Syria. Have we not learnt anything from history? We're just letting that regime get away with barbaric acts because no one has the balls to step in and do something. We can't just stand idle while The regime does what it likes. The Syrians are taking the mickey now, cos they know no-one has the balls to stand up to them and do something So what do you advocate?
There's no easy solution to this, but I think the rest of the world should be doing more than just giving statements and idle warnings. Its been going on for so long now, and because the rest of the world have stood back and done very little about it, Assad thinks he can get away with anything now. We have to confront him in some way or other, but I know there's no easy solution. It just doesn't feel right sitting back and doing nothing.The Americans would not, no cannot commit to another sojourn in the middle east. If the oils stops........maybe they will!"
It's ironic, as a previous poster has said, that we'll go and invade Iraq for having weapons of mass destruction (but not using them) , and yet when Chemical weapons appear to be actually being used in Syria, we sit back and do nothing. Maybe oil is the answer  |
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"We must not get involved in what's happening in Syria."
Not getting involved will create more long term problems than keeping our heads in the sand as we are now, plus the west is already preparing for it's future involvement in the area. So the argument is already redundant.
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"I'm getting a bit fed up with the 'United Nations' and the rest of the world not doing anything about what's happening in Syria. Have we not learnt anything from history? We're just letting that regime get away with barbaric acts because no one has the balls to step in and do something. We can't just stand idle while The regime does what it likes. The Syrians are taking the mickey now, cos they know no-one has the balls to stand up to them and do something So what do you advocate?
There's no easy solution to this, but I think the rest of the world should be doing more than just giving statements and idle warnings. Its been going on for so long now, and because the rest of the world have stood back and done very little about it, Assad thinks he can get away with anything now. We have to confront him in some way or other, but I know there's no easy solution. It just doesn't feel right sitting back and doing nothing.The Americans would not, no cannot commit to another sojourn in the middle east. If the oils stops........maybe they will!
It's ironic, as a previous poster has said, that we'll go and invade Iraq for having weapons of mass destruction (but not using them) , and yet when Chemical weapons appear to be actually being used in Syria, we sit back and do nothing. Maybe oil is the answer "
I admire your intentions to stop this madness in Syria but at the moment it serves a purpose for all the super powers as while Arabs are killing Arabs they have little time to concentrate on the west? |
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"I'm getting a bit fed up with the 'United Nations' and the rest of the world not doing anything about what's happening in Syria. Have we not learnt anything from history? We're just letting that regime get away with barbaric acts because no one has the balls to step in and do something. We can't just stand idle while The regime does what it likes. The Syrians are taking the mickey now, cos they know no-one has the balls to stand up to them and do something So what do you advocate?
There's no easy solution to this, but I think the rest of the world should be doing more than just giving statements and idle warnings. Its been going on for so long now, and because the rest of the world have stood back and done very little about it, Assad thinks he can get away with anything now. We have to confront him in some way or other, but I know there's no easy solution. It just doesn't feel right sitting back and doing nothing.The Americans would not, no cannot commit to another sojourn in the middle east. If the oils stops........maybe they will!
It's ironic, as a previous poster has said, that we'll go and invade Iraq for having weapons of mass destruction (but not using them) , and yet when Chemical weapons appear to be actually being used in Syria, we sit back and do nothing. Maybe oil is the answer I admire your intentions to stop this madness in Syria but at the moment it serves a purpose for all the super powers as while Arabs are killing Arabs they have little time to concentrate on the west?"
A tad harsh, but then the west did fuck all about the Rwanda-Burundi jobbie did we?
Maybe the west carried out any "chemical" attack as a pretext to go in, who knows?
What is it with the west forcing regime change? Any of the arab spring countries in a better position as a result of it?
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That's like saying the youth of London/Birmingham/Manchester stabbing each other isn't an issue to older rural voters. It's a humanity issue.
Not sure what the answer is, like most people, but a Red Line has been crossed and we need to do something. |
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Seriously, are the many rebel factions (busy fighting each other and the Kurds) fit to form any sort of stable Government?
Apart from the odd spat with Israel, hasn't Syria been stable in my lifetime, i would say so. |
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"Haven't we been involved in enough wars lately. Whatever happens no troops in say at all."
I think Assad's playing on this though, and knows that other countries will be unwilling to step in. He's just pushing the boundaries, and seeing how far he can go. He's shown he'll stop at nothing to stay in power. |
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Seriously, are the many rebel factions (busy fighting each other and the Kurds) fit to form any sort of stable Government?
Apart from the odd spat with Israel, hasn't Syria been stable in my lifetime, i would say so."
The same could be said of the eastern block until the ussr collapsed.
I'm not sure that a few years of western 'peacekeeping' solve the problems, it just seems to simmer under the surface until the troops are withdrawn and then flares up again. It all seems very tribal and the minority groups seem to get the shitty end of the stick. |
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Just a thought though, if rebels here started attacking the Government, (shit as they are), would everyone support them? "
We do have the opportunity to change our government every 4/5 years though.
If a government decided to withdraw that opportunity then I would imagine that a certain amount would be happy to support some sort of rebel movement. |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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the west cannot stand bye and watch any longer,assad has to go.
that said,the world knows assad has been sitting on a can of worms,and till now,we've been only to happy to let him.
it's sad to say,for syria,assads demise will not be the final solution,only the beginning of another problem. |
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over a year ago
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The West can't intervene yet, until there is concrete proof the Government were behind the attacks.
We all know they were of course, but whilst there is even a tiny chance the rebels did it (according to the regime) in peoples minds in places like Russia etc, proof will be needed. |
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"is syria a proper country or one of those cobbled together after the first world war... sectarian cracks appear and thats where the conflicts start . the un rarely sorts any of these out ."
It was formed after WW1 as a French mandate and gained independence in 1946. So could be described as another European mess created.
Maybe like the former Yugoslavia they should be split up to their original parts. It might help in Iraq too. And according to some Scots the UK |
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Its always the innocent that suffers, all those homeless children fleeing for their life's, some don't even have a country to call their own at the moment never mind a house
when you look at your own children it makes you realise how lucky you are and how the over due bill dont seem so bad after all |
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Where are the Arab countries in all this? They are armed to the teeth. Surely they should be going there and stopping it?
Why do the Europeans and Americans have to be the international police force? As I see it, whoever comes out on top in Syria will hate the west so why not just watch and see? |
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over a year ago
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"Get the women and children out and let them kill themselves.Although they won't have any human shields then will they? "
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"Another European mess Abi? 67 years after independence?Oh and when Tito's dictatorship fell then the trouble started in Yugoslavia. The Arabs are killing Arabs. Don't blame the West for that."
The Europeans created the countries though didn't they? They made the mistakes in the first place, trying to create countries in their image, forcing the inhabitants, usually by force to become one. Held together by force by dictators such as Tito. The problems festering just below the surface until now. Do believe if they had remained separate countries we would be seeing these problems now?
Iraq was three countries, the Kurds, Sunni's and the Shias, all of whom seem to hate each other and resent being governed by one of the other groups, so have taken to blowing each other up. There are similarities in the groups within Syria. 67 years of history is nothing compared to the thousands of years of history these countries had before they were grouped together by European nations thinking they were doing the right thing.The former Yugoslavia is a much more peaceful place now they have reverted back to their original constitutions.
Look at the borders of countries in Africa where nomadic tribes can no longer travel their historic lands because some European decided to draw a nice straight border for convenience. In world history 67 years is the blink of an eye, there may be people alive who can remember the days when they were a truly independent nation. |
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Have to say we have to become involved the world cannot standby while people are being killled by a dictator on his own folk using chemical weapons.
Only the russians and china are blaming the opposition and i believe they know the truth.
Sad part is apart from those on syria is we are no longer a world power and our armed forces have been depleted making it hard to look out for ourselves let alone another conflict. |
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"Have to say we have to become involved the world cannot standby while people are being killled by a dictator on his own folk using chemical weapons.
Only the russians and china are blaming the opposition and i believe they know the truth.
Sad part is apart from those on syria is we are no longer a world power and our armed forces have been depleted making it hard to look out for ourselves let alone another conflict."
But we should not go alone into helping them .. we are a small place England when you look at USA .. we have the power in being together not standing alone ...... thay need to find out how and where the gas come from.? |
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Syria hosts Russian listening posts and Russian military interests. Its certainly a political hotspot to go stirring up with foreign military intervention irrespective of justification. |
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The west must NOT get involved in Syria.
Can we not learn the lessons of Iraq Afghanistan, and Libya?
We removed Saddam from Iraq for what? Weapons of mass destruction we were told, none were found but to be fair Saddam did use gas against the Kurds. Now the country is in turmoil and more civilians are being killed there today than ever during Saddam's time.
Afghanistan has cost the lives of thousands of British, American, and allied soldiers, and god knows how many thousand Afghans, for what? Everyone knows that the Taliban will take over again as soon as the west moves out.
In Libya Western air support paved the way for the downfall of Gaddafi and as soon as he was killed the opposition split into factions and started fighting each other, with the black hand of Al Qaeda in the background. They also managed to murder the US ambassador. Nice way of saying thanks NOT.
Although there was no military involvement the West also supported the opposition in Egypt to depose Mubarak, and it is obvious where that is going, nowhere nice.
So now some people want us to charge into Syria. To accomplish what? Syria will turn into another Iraq, torn apart by factional fighting and tens of thousands more will die, with or without our help.
I have no desire to put any more British or allied soldiers into the firing line for a war that no-one can win.
What will be will be and the politicians would do well to read up on T.E Lawrence before embroiling us in another Middle East war.
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US has bolstered its navy presence in the eastern Mediterranean as President Obama weighs up his options over the conflict in Syria. .........Only time will tell now.. |
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most of the worlds nations dont act in the manner these backwards dictatorships do in the few remaining areas under this kinda rule
they all need liberating and its never done diplomatically |
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Why should our troops enter into a conflict which does not concern us. If the Americans want to go, let them go.
The money that would be spent on warheads and ammunition, should be used to create jobs and provide help and support to the vulnerable in this country. |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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yugosalvia was peaceful under tito.It had a terrible amount of atrocities and a massive civil war when he died Stop excluding things you dont like from history and blaming the west for everything. Nobody goes round forcing people to kill each other do they? |
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" Syria hosts Russian listening posts and Russian military interests. Its certainly a political hotspot to go stirring up with foreign military intervention irrespective of justification. "
Think the Russian's have the use of a large naval facility, they will not give that up at the drop of a hat or a few thousand dead 'civilians'..
they are actively supporting Assad as indeed 'other's' are supporting the other side..
so should we stand by and watch what does look like chemical weapons being used on women and children..?
we go about our business in our relatively safe lives as just as many kids die from preventable diseases etc, day in, day out 364..
there are no easy answers, sanctions are not an effective means and will in any case be bypassed via Assad's allies..
direct military action may assuage the 'we must act now as its horrible' lobby..
but its a tricky one and may well escalate regionally..
Syria's record of supporting global terrorism needs to be considered, suspect any response from his regime would be severe.. |
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"So on the one hand people slag the Americans for being the world's self appointed policeman and on the other want them to intervene. make your minds up. You can't have it both ways."
going by their record post ww2, one would think they may have realised by now that they tend to fuck it up large when they do..
if they are to be seen as the 'world's policeman' by some it should at least be noted that their role was similar to that of the now disbanded SPG.. |
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"The west must NOT get involved in Syria.
Can we not learn the lessons of Iraq Afghanistan, and Libya?
We removed Saddam from Iraq for what? Weapons of mass destruction we were told, none were found but to be fair Saddam did use gas against the Kurds. Now the country is in turmoil and more civilians are being killed there today than ever during Saddam's time.
Afghanistan has cost the lives of thousands of British, American, and allied soldiers, and god knows how many thousand Afghans, for what? Everyone knows that the Taliban will take over again as soon as the west moves out.
In Libya Western air support paved the way for the downfall of Gaddafi and as soon as he was killed the opposition split into factions and started fighting each other, with the black hand of Al Qaeda in the background. They also managed to murder the US ambassador. Nice way of saying thanks NOT.
Although there was no military involvement the West also supported the opposition in Egypt to depose Mubarak, and it is obvious where that is going, nowhere nice.
So now some people want us to charge into Syria. To accomplish what? Syria will turn into another Iraq, torn apart by factional fighting and tens of thousands more will die, with or without our help.
I have no desire to put any more British or allied soldiers into the firing line for a war that no-one can win.
What will be will be and the politicians would do well to read up on T.E Lawrence before embroiling us in another Middle East war.
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'what will be will be' is an easy statement to make when we're all safe and cosy in the UK. Would you be saying that if you had relatives in Syria right now? I understand that intervening in this situation is not gonna be easy and will cause many other problems, but are you really willing to appease this atrocity and put your head in the sand and pretend it hasnt happened? Assad has crossed the 'red line'....in fact he crossed it a while ago, and he needs to be put in his place. We appeased Hitler with Chamberlain's 'peace of paper'. Are we prepared to not learn anything from history and let this man do what he likes against his own people? I understand your point, but feel not doing anything is no longer an option. |
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Obama himself is recognising the post intervention problems encountered by the US and expressing his concerns.
I don't have the answer, and depressing as it is, any intervention, or lack of will leave an ugly situation. I don't wish to see such abhorrent treatment of innocents, but I fear we don't have the means of dealing with the hornets nest that would be stirred up, both politically and in the military context. |
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"Must admit I didn't realise that Assad has been proven to have used these awful weapons.Still he must have because nobody would find a man guilty through allegation only would they?"
The UN nations inspectors are requesting access to determine factors which may indicate the perpetrator. There are strong suggestions that by Assads, failure to assist that he may be involved. This is the general approach of most bodies involved.
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We shouldn't be sticking our noses in (again).
It's nothing to do with us.
it'll be another drawn out, pointless conflict. Let them do whatever they want.
Why should the west be the older brother countries go and get when they're being picked on? |
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No one has found him guilty or carried out any sentence. People are simply carrying out long political processes in order to bring a close to the atrocities.
Where is your evidence that anyone has found him guilty ? |
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"We shouldn't be sticking our noses in (again).
It's nothing to do with us.
it'll be another drawn out, pointless conflict. Let them do whatever they want.
Why should the west be the older brother countries go and get when they're being picked on? "
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I get that the UN and all those key players within it are looking at potential power vacuums or any other dangerous twists of fate that might unravel on the strength of our involvement. But chemical weapons?? Fuck that! And every other shitty illegal and appalling act that the Syrian regime commits!! There is international and human justice, and it wants metering out now. For sure! |
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"I get that the UN and all those key players within it are looking at potential power vacuums or any other dangerous twists of fate that might unravel on the strength of our involvement. But chemical weapons?? Fuck that! And every other shitty illegal and appalling act that the Syrian regime commits!! There is international and human justice, and it wants metering out now. For sure!"
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"The west must NOT get involved in Syria.
Can we not learn the lessons of Iraq Afghanistan, and Libya?
We removed Saddam from Iraq for what? Weapons of mass destruction we were told, none were found but to be fair Saddam did use gas against the Kurds. Now the country is in turmoil and more civilians are being killed there today than ever during Saddam's time.
Afghanistan has cost the lives of thousands of British, American, and allied soldiers, and god knows how many thousand Afghans, for what? Everyone knows that the Taliban will take over again as soon as the west moves out.
In Libya Western air support paved the way for the downfall of Gaddafi and as soon as he was killed the opposition split into factions and started fighting each other, with the black hand of Al Qaeda in the background. They also managed to murder the US ambassador. Nice way of saying thanks NOT.
Although there was no military involvement the West also supported the opposition in Egypt to depose Mubarak, and it is obvious where that is going, nowhere nice.
So now some people want us to charge into Syria. To accomplish what? Syria will turn into another Iraq, torn apart by factional fighting and tens of thousands more will die, with or without our help.
I have no desire to put any more British or allied soldiers into the firing line for a war that no-one can win.
What will be will be and the politicians would do well to read up on T.E Lawrence before embroiling us in another Middle East war.
'what will be will be' is an easy statement to make when we're all safe and cosy in the UK. Would you be saying that if you had relatives in Syria right now? I understand that intervening in this situation is not gonna be easy and will cause many other problems, but are you really willing to appease this atrocity and put your head in the sand and pretend it hasnt happened? Assad has crossed the 'red line'....in fact he crossed it a while ago, and he needs to be put in his place. We appeased Hitler with Chamberlain's 'peace of paper'. Are we prepared to not learn anything from history and let this man do what he likes against his own people? I understand your point, but feel not doing anything is no longer an option."
While I partly agree with your sentiment, the question still has to be asked. What will it achieve?
Personally I think nothing other than maybe Assad and a few of his henchmen will get their comeuppance.
Thousands more Syrians will still die and with foreign boots on the ground could even be worse than it is now.
Arm the rebels, or support them from the air some people say. I say which rebels? There are so many different groups, quite a few of them sponsored by Al Qaeda, we could finish up arming rebels who are determined to turn the country into another pre 9/11 Afghanistan, with us as the targets.
We don't have relatives or friends in Syria, but we have very close friends in Jordan which is bearing the brunt of the refugee crisis. They are horrified at the thought of the western powers getting involved militarily, because they have already seen the results with their other neighbour, Iraq.
What will be WILL BE and adding the deaths of British, American and allied soldiers or airmen will change nothing.
Oh and as for the Hitler comparison, there is a huge difference between appeasing someone who has marched his army on to foreign soil and someone (however distasteful) who is fighting rebels in his own country.
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While I partly agree with your sentiment, the question still has to be asked. What will it achieve?
Personally I think nothing other than maybe Assad and a few of his henchmen will get their comeuppance.
Thousands more Syrians will still die and with foreign boots on the ground could even be worse than it is now.
Arm the rebels, or support them from the air some people say. I say which rebels? There are so many different groups, quite a few of them sponsored by Al Qaeda, we could finish up arming rebels who are determined to turn the country into another pre 9/11 Afghanistan, with us as the targets.
We don't have relatives or friends in Syria, but we have very close friends in Jordan which is bearing the brunt of the refugee crisis. They are horrified at the thought of the western powers getting involved militarily, because they have already seen the results with their other neighbour, Iraq.
What will be WILL BE and adding the deaths of British, American and allied soldiers or airmen will change nothing.
Oh and as for the Hitler comparison, there is a huge difference between appeasing someone who has marched his army on to foreign soil and someone (however distasteful) who is fighting rebels in his own country.
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Some good points, It would be pointless to support the rebels just because they are rebels. We need to know about what the rebels intend to do after any fighting has ended. If they want to replace a dictatorship with another dictatorship which in turn continues to persecute a section of the civilian population there is not much to be gained in terms of decent humane treatment of Syria's population.
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