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Just been to the health visitor for my sons 2.5 year check up. He was his usual cheeky self.
She did however mention 'kid friendly' juice drinks like fruit shoots etc that are sugar free. She recommended that he drink normal sugary drinks and just be sure to brush his teeth twice a day and avoid ANYTHING with aspartame in it as if can cause behavioural problems.
Just been googling and can't really find much. Some things say its bad and others say its fine.
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"Just been to the health visitor for my sons 2.5 year check up. He was his usual cheeky self.
She did however mention 'kid friendly' juice drinks like fruit shoots etc that are sugar free. She recommended that he drink normal sugary drinks and just be sure to brush his teeth twice a day and avoid ANYTHING with aspartame in it as if can cause behavioural problems.
Just been googling and can't really find much. Some things say its bad and others say its fine.
Confused!!!! "
Aspartame is one of those things that has been linked to lots of different things. If your child doesn't have behavioural issues, it won't give them a behavioural problem, however, if they do have issues, then it might exacerbate the problem.
Kid friendly drinks are often shit though and I'd avoid all of them like the plague and stick to water where possible. |
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I have never heard that.
My kids drink light/ zero sugar free drinks and have never had any issues. Sugar is much more harmful (not just for teeth) than aspartame, in my opinion. |
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Is 200 times sweeter than sugar and used as a substitute in some drinks, you'll find its what you're candarel and other sweeteners are made of too x
Don't know much about it though sorry hun x |
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as a chef with a bit of n utritional knowledge, i would never give my kids or anyone for that matter anything with aspartame in it.
its linked with a tonne of nasty stuff and its also a carcinogen (cancer causing). |
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"as a chef with a bit of n utritional knowledge, i would never give my kids or anyone for that matter anything with aspartame in it.
its linked with a tonne of nasty stuff and its also a carcinogen (cancer causing)."
The thing is, none of the actual research shows that. One study links it, and that study was shown to be highly flawed and no one has been able to replicate it. There's been a hoax going around the internet for years about Aspartame which has started to move into "accepted knowledge" but has no basis in fact. |
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" ANYTHING with aspartame in it as if can cause behavioural problems.
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Can cause Hyperactivity in kids yeah.
I was FAN-bloody-TASTIC on E numbers found in drinks.
I wasn't a complete A-hole on those ones!
Specifically E129 I was absolutely SUPERB on that one!
Sorry mum!
I apologise, but you let me eat it haha!!
You know those people that sit still all da?.. well if you hate them spike em with E129.
Or a good blast of E211 found in a can of Dr Pepper will have the same effect.
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I avoid anything 'fake'. We won't know for years what the chemicals are doing to us. Sugar is natural. Drink fruit juice or water. I hate fruit shoots and anything like Sunny D.   |
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"I avoid anything 'fake'. We won't know for years what the chemicals are doing to us. Sugar is natural. Drink fruit juice or water. I hate fruit shoots and anything like Sunny D. "
Heroin and cocaine are natural as well.
Some of the most deadly venoms are 100% natural.
It does not make it good. Sugar is very bad for you, really! |
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"I avoid anything 'fake'. We won't know for years what the chemicals are doing to us. Sugar is natural. Drink fruit juice or water. I hate fruit shoots and anything like Sunny D. "
This is pretty much what she said. Watered down fruit juice or even sugary drinks are better than sugar free suff loaded with sweeteners x |
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"I have never heard that.
My kids drink light/ zero sugar free drinks and have never had any issues. Sugar is much more harmful (not just for teeth) than aspartame, in my opinion."
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If in doubt, don't use it. Natural goods are, in my opinion, always better than chemically engineered ones.
You're better equipped than anyone to know what is good for your little one miss bottie hottie. Trust your judgement xxx |
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"I avoid anything 'fake'. We won't know for years what the chemicals are doing to us. Sugar is natural. Drink fruit juice or water. I hate fruit shoots and anything like Sunny D.
Heroin and cocaine are natural as well.
Some of the most deadly venoms are 100% natural.
It does not make it good. Sugar is very bad for you, really!"
Well said, look up Sugar, the bitter truth.
Why do modern drinks have to be so sweet? It doesn't suit adult tastebuds. Best just drink water. You can't go wring there. |
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You're better equipped than anyone to know what is good for your little one miss bottie hottie."
I always worry about this, and I have no doubt that you believe that, but often parents are the worst people to be the best judges! MMR being a prime example.
I have no doubt however that you will do your very best for your little chap though! |
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"I always thought it was linked with cancer. I try to avoid atrificle sweeteners where possible"
Nope.
one study linked it, but the study was flawed and couldn't be replicated.
You might be thinking of saccharine which was linked (again in a flawed study). However, I do agree wherever possible avoiding artificial sweeteners is probably not a bad idea. |
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You're better equipped than anyone to know what is good for your little one miss bottie hottie.
I always worry about this, and I have no doubt that you believe that, but often parents are the worst people to be the best judges! MMR being a prime example.
I have no doubt however that you will do your very best for your little chap though!"
Tbh I always just avoid sugary drinks as they are worse for teeth. I've even just seen something that says a glass of orange juice actually has more sugar in it than a glass of !
There's so much conflicting information everywhere its hard to decide what to do for the best.
My son has had (and will continue to have) all the recommended immunisations. As I believe the benefits of these far outweigh the risks. |
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A health advisor came into school specifically to talk about drinks, the amount of sugar in drinks is quite scary when you see it in tablespoons, Iasked about possible aspartame problems and was told that the amount of aspartame in sugar free drinks will not cause problems (though I suppose any ingredient can cause problems for someone somewhere). Not saying this is 100% right, just what I was told. |
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You're better equipped than anyone to know what is good for your little one miss bottie hottie.
I always worry about this, and I have no doubt that you believe that, but often parents are the worst people to be the best judges! MMR being a prime example.
I have no doubt however that you will do your very best for your little chap though!
Tbh I always just avoid sugary drinks as they are worse for teeth. I've even just seen something that says a glass of orange juice actually has more sugar in it than a glass of !
There's so much conflicting information everywhere its hard to decide what to do for the best.
My son has had (and will continue to have) all the recommended immunisations. As I believe the benefits of these far outweigh the risks. "
As I tell people I train, information is only as good as the source 
Gossip, twitter and Hello magazine aren't reputable, but often the main source of most peoples information sadly.
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"A health advisor came into school specifically to talk about drinks, the amount of sugar in drinks is quite scary when you see it in tablespoons, Iasked about possible aspartame problems and was told that the amount of aspartame in sugar free drinks will not cause problems (though I suppose any ingredient can cause problems for someone somewhere). Not saying this is 100% right, just what I was told."
I always assumed that was true. But the health visitor (and some info I just read online) says it can build up over time. Again, like you. I don't know how true that is! |
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I might be talking a load of bollox here but isnt this the stuff that is put into diet drinks tooo and can cause a load of problems for diabetics ..........?? or did I just imagine all this .....??   |
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"I might be talking a load of bollox here but isnt this the stuff that is put into diet drinks tooo and can cause a load of problems for diabetics ..........?? or did I just imagine all this .....?? "
Yes that's the one minxie x |
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"as a chef with a bit of n utritional knowledge, i would never give my kids or anyone for that matter anything with aspartame in it.
its linked with a tonne of nasty stuff and its also a carcinogen (cancer causing).
The thing is, none of the actual research shows that. One study links it, and that study was shown to be highly flawed and no one has been able to replicate it. There's been a hoax going around the internet for years about Aspartame which has started to move into "accepted knowledge" but has no basis in fact."
It's been rigorously tested and certified safe by health and food councils around the world too. |
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"as a chef with a bit of n utritional knowledge, i would never give my kids or anyone for that matter anything with aspartame in it.
its linked with a tonne of nasty stuff and its also a carcinogen (cancer causing).
The thing is, none of the actual research shows that. One study links it, and that study was shown to be highly flawed and no one has been able to replicate it. There's been a hoax going around the internet for years about Aspartame which has started to move into "accepted knowledge" but has no basis in fact.
It's been rigorously tested and certified safe by health and food councils around the world too."
It is banned in some places tho isn't it? |
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"Just been to the health visitor for my sons 2.5 year check up. He was his usual cheeky self.
She did however mention 'kid friendly' juice drinks like fruit shoots etc that are sugar free. She recommended that he drink normal sugary drinks and just be sure to brush his teeth twice a day and avoid ANYTHING with aspartame in it as if can cause behavioural problems.
Just been googling and can't really find much. Some things say its bad and others say its fine.
Confused!!!! "
Can't say one way or the other about the pros and cons of artificial sweeteners, but I can say for certain that at least one of the attacks on them was traced back to - surprise, surprise - the U.S. sugar industry which, of course, has the most to lose if everyone dropped sugar and went over to using things like Aspartame.
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"I might be talking a load of bollox here but isnt this the stuff that is put into diet drinks tooo and can cause a load of problems for diabetics ..........?? or did I just imagine all this .....??
Yes that's the one minxie x"
No. That was a myth I'm afraid.
It's not sugar and doesn't work the same way. |
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By *un_JuiceCouple
over a year ago
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It was passed off after the third attempt and even went against a split decision on the panel. I,ll try and find the source. The body doesnt break it down I never liked diet drinks because they are too sweet but now it's avoided as is chewing gum.
Watch aspartame - a sweet misery .... It has also been liknked with a number of neurological diseases a d yes like someone said diabetes.
We have to look at all these new conditions in society, the rise in the big c and stop and think what could be doing this ? |
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I don't drink sugary drinks anyway but would sooner drink sugar than aspartame.
My mum keeps calling it "shit " (or insert alternative diet drink) ever since she found out it was essentially waste from E-coli. 
- Amy. x |
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Miss HB, Google for "excitotoxins aspartame" or just "Excitotoxins".
Your doctor sounds enlightened and I applaud the fact that the news is starting to get out about the dangers of it. |
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"Miss HB, Google for "excitotoxins aspartame" or just "Excitotoxins".
Your doctor sounds enlightened and I applaud the fact that the news is starting to get out about the dangers of it. "
Lol
Can I hear a duck?
Can you link us to his research which has been peer reviewed? I'm afraid he's an "expert" in bugger all squared.
He's never published any actual research on these subjects that can be substantiated by anyone but him and anecdotal evidence.
People aren't "waking up" to this stuff, because it's a load of crap I'm afraid. |
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"There is also this book....
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Excitotoxins-Russell-L-Blaylock-MD/dp/144179445X
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Better yet google Russell Blaylock and quack/conspiracy theory/anti vaxx
God the internet has a lot to answer for |
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"Miss HB, Google for "excitotoxins aspartame" or just "Excitotoxins".
Your doctor sounds enlightened and I applaud the fact that the news is starting to get out about the dangers of it.
Lol
Can I hear a duck?
Can you link us to his research which has been peer reviewed? I'm afraid he's an "expert" in bugger all squared.
He's never published any actual research on these subjects that can be substantiated by anyone but him and anecdotal evidence.
People aren't "waking up" to this stuff, because it's a load of crap I'm afraid."
Whatever.
All I wanted was to point the OP in a direction and show her some of the information out there.
I don't want an argument or discussion about the validity of it as there is plenty more information out there to be had.
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The man has made all sorts of bizarre claims from the USSR were responsible for the drug problems in the 1970's all the way up to he can cure Alzheimer's with supplements.
He uses fear and anxiety over things in order to sell his newsletter. He starts by giving "free tips"
Quack! |
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I would have posted more links but the antiquated forum ruleset about what constitutes an acceptable link these days just isn't worth the effort in the face of a two day ban, when trying to be a little helpful.
In fact, either is arguing the validity of all this. I REALLY must remember to stop trying to be helpful.
Lesson learned.
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"I would have posted more links but the antiquated forum ruleset about what constitutes an acceptable link these days just isn't worth the effort in the face of a two day ban, when trying to be a little helpful.
In fact, either is arguing the validity of all this. I REALLY must remember to stop trying to be helpful.
Lesson learned.
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I'm sorry but your first link to this was about how your pleased that the people are "waking up to this" and then pretty much advertised his work and books. I countered the discussion by saying that his work is flawed, he's a quack and there's no actual evidence for anything he claims. I too am being helpful to the OP. If she wants to follow the advice of a man who claims that the USSR are responsible for the drug abuse in the 1970's, he's got a natural cure for Alzheimer's (brain repair formula) without any evidence, that vaccinations cause Lou Gehrig's disease and that Squalene is linked to Gulf War Syndrome (even though soldiers didn't receive vaccines with Squalene in it)
Just trying to be helpful
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Most artificial sweeteners have a laxative effect. 
You're better investing in a good quality drinks bottle (thermos do good robust ones that are unlikely to leak) and fill it with water or weak high juice squash - if you dilute it yourself you at least have some control.
Save pop etc for high days and holidays - we only had fizzy with Sunday lunch and it was a one litre bottle and when it was gone that was it till next Sunday. |
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"Just been to the health visitor for my sons 2.5 year check up. He was his usual cheeky self.
She did however mention 'kid friendly' juice drinks like fruit shoots etc that are sugar free. She recommended that he drink normal sugary drinks and just be sure to brush his teeth twice a day and avoid ANYTHING with aspartame in it as if can cause behavioural problems.
Just been googling and can't really find much. Some things say its bad and others say its fine.
Confused!!!! "
There is a lot on confusing info around..None of it actually proven.
However...I recently went to my doctor re a bladder infection and he told me that diet drinks and drinks with aspartme have actually caused me to become badly dehydrated, even though I drink litres of them every day....
as soon as I swapped to non aspartme squash I feel better.... |
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"Just been to the health visitor for my sons 2.5 year check up. He was his usual cheeky self.
She did however mention 'kid friendly' juice drinks like fruit shoots etc that are sugar free. She recommended that he drink normal sugary drinks and just be sure to brush his teeth twice a day and avoid ANYTHING with aspartame in it as if can cause behavioural problems.
Just been googling and can't really find much. Some things say its bad and others say its fine.
Go to infowars.com and search in there. They have loads of articals on this subject. Also youtube it try 'dangers of aspartane'. The only people who are gonna tell you that its fine are the people who profit from it ie.../pepsi/pharmacuticals (as they benefit from the drug needed to cure its side effects)
Confused!!!! "
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"I have never heard that.
My kids drink light/ zero sugar free drinks and have never had any issues. Sugar is much more harmful (not just for teeth) than aspartame, in my opinion."
Aspartane is a faulcity in diet drinks as is been shown to ADD wieght on |
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it was my boss at work told me and the girl i work with that it is in unsweetened
juice the kind you dilute with water as there is some where we work .so we drink it as its very hot there,so my mate goes
home and googles it and is horrified at what she finds causes all sorts of problems makes you weak tired etc and can even cause death . |
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Oh my god, step away from scare stories you find on google.
As for "the only people who tell you it's safe"?
really? the only people?
So, all the actual research with peer reviews, the publications globally where they have to evidence their findings for people to examine are the ones conning us?
lol.
I'm just off to get my tin hat
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"Most artificial sweeteners have a laxative effect. ."
I've found that! But then again, everyone is different. My sister was addicted to diet Pepsi and suffered the opposite, plus, although she drank a lot, her doctor said she was dehydrated, plus she gained weight as the aspartame (supposedly) increases your appetite.
It was awful for her trying to give it up though, she had headaches, the shakes... Said it was harder than giving up smoking.
- Amy. x |
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"Most artificial sweeteners have a laxative effect. .
I've found that! But then again, everyone is different. My sister was addicted to diet Pepsi and suffered the opposite, plus, although she drank a lot, her doctor said she was dehydrated, plus she gained weight as the aspartame (supposedly) increases your appetite.
It was awful for her trying to give it up though, she had headaches, the shakes... Said it was harder than giving up smoking.
- Amy. x"
Nothing to do with aspartame. That's caffeine.
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My mates friend said that her mates doctor told her husband that aspartame is the reason his cock fell off. It's true! I read it on the Internet.
Also it's the reason for global warming and and why my cat died when it was hit by a car.
I do wish people who believe in conspiracy theories put more effort into researching the peer reviewed information and not jus gossip and hearsay. |
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"as a chef with a bit of n utritional knowledge, i would never give my kids or anyone for that matter anything with aspartame in it.
its linked with a tonne of nasty stuff and its also a carcinogen (cancer causing)."
I agree, its awful stuff and should be banned !! |
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"as a chef with a bit of n utritional knowledge, i would never give my kids or anyone for that matter anything with aspartame in it.
its linked with a tonne of nasty stuff and its also a carcinogen (cancer causing).
I agree, its awful stuff and should be banned !!"
Except it doesn't cause cancer of course |
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Aspartame is a dangerous chemical which breaks down into formaldehyde in the body, which is what is used in wood staining products and a whole assortment of other house hold products. It was tested by the FDA and failed the original tests, but Mosanto got hold of it and relabelled it and got it pushed through under "nutrasweet" and "Splenda".
People who consume lots of these exciotoxins generally suffer from headaches a lot or feel fatigued. This can be due to the aspartame poisoning the body!
Avoid Aspartame, acesulfame-k, as they are dangerous to the body! Just google the affects of formaldehyde in the body, it's a carcinogen! Avoid avoid avoid!! |
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"My mates friend said that her mates doctor told her husband that aspartame is the reason his cock fell off. It's true! I read it on the Internet.
Also it's the reason for global warming and and why my cat died when it was hit by a car.
I do wish people who believe in conspiracy theories put more effort into researching the peer reviewed information and not jus gossip and hearsay."
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Aspartame and ascelfume k (or something like that) have been reported to cause many horrible things bit try to find sugar free things without wither of them over here and you Will be searching for ages!!!
I have to say since I have been drinking less pop (only ever drank diet stuff) I have been feeling much better. |
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Wow! It's amazing the stuff some people believe. Do you have any peer reviewed evidence for this? Anything not discredited at all?? Over 100 countries have passed aspartame as safe. |
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"Most artificial sweeteners have a laxative effect. .
I've found that! But then again, everyone is different. My sister was addicted to diet Pepsi and suffered the opposite, plus, although she drank a use, her doctor said she was dehydrated, plus she gained weight as the aspartame (supposedly) increases your appetite.
It was awful for her trying to give it up though, she had headaches, the shakes... Said it was harder than giving up smoking.
- Amy. x
Nothing to do with aspartame. That's caffeine.
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Artificial sweetness have been proven to increase appetite as they stimulate insulin production with their sweet taste. When there is no sugar foe the insulin to be used on the body send signals to eat more to use the wasted insulin. |
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"Wow! It's amazing the stuff some people believe. Do you have any peer reviewed evidence for this? Anything not discredited at all?? Over 100 countries have passed aspartame as safe. "
And of course you believe that's a true statement because no country ever has been swayed by multi national massive corporations who want go sell their products??! |
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"Wow! It's amazing the stuff some people believe. Do you have any peer reviewed evidence for this? Anything not discredited at all?? Over 100 countries have passed aspartame as safe. "
Speaking from a back ground of people who are PHD graduate chemists, I can definitely say it's dangerous for you. If you'd like you can go get a pot of formaldehyde yourself and drink a cup and let's see how well you feel? And when those tumors are growing out the side of your skull, you can blame it on something else entirely, as ignorance is bliss afterall. |
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Being diabetic, I thought sugar free drinks, diet sodas s etc. were fine, WRONG,
After suffering from a few nasty water infections, have just had a cam in my bladder to find the cause, debri has been collecting, turns out to be deposits of artificial sweeteners,
apparently the kidneys and stomach cant break them down, and they stay in your system, causing problems. Including, but not limited to kidney stones, enlarged prostate.
Also caffine even in low doses can cause problems with bladder and prostate,
I am now a red bush man, and drinking caffine and tannin free tea, is tasty and refreshing.
I will do same as people in many Asian countries do and limit my diet cans to one a week. |
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"Wow! It's amazing the stuff some people believe. Do you have any peer reviewed evidence for this? Anything not discredited at all?? Over 100 countries have passed aspartame as safe.
Speaking from a back ground of people who are PHD graduate chemists, I can definitely say it's dangerous for you. If you'd like you can go get a pot of formaldehyde yourself and drink a cup and let's see how well you feel? And when those tumors are growing out the side of your skull, you can blame it on something else entirely, as ignorance is bliss afterall."
Speaking from a background of sewerage (it's true, my grandpa worked on a sewerage farm). I call tell when someone is talking shit.
Can to explain how it turns into formaldehyde? I'll wait. |
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"Its all about moderation in what you put in your body aspartemine is no more garmful than other stuff. Lots of scaremongering not based on fact."
It's not scare mongering it's called being intellectual, you don't eat carcinogenic foods, simple as that. Mosanto is a multi trillion dollar company, and have ties into Government as a lot of their directors also work for the Government/FDA, so they will do there utmost to push through their products, one of which is in every single sugar free product in the world, which has a net profit of billions. |
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"Most artificial sweeteners have a laxative effect. .
I've found that! But then again, everyone is different. My sister was addicted to diet Pepsi and suffered the opposite, plus, although she drank a use, her doctor said she was dehydrated, plus she gained weight as the aspartame (supposedly) increases your appetite.
It was awful for her trying to give it up though, she had headaches, the shakes... Said it was harder than giving up smoking.
- Amy. x
Nothing to do with aspartame. That's caffeine.
Artificial sweetness have been proven to increase appetite as they stimulate insulin production with their sweet taste. When there is no sugar foe the insulin to be used on the body send signals to eat more to use the wasted insulin. "
The headaches I was referring to. That's caffeine, some sweeteners have been shown to do so. |
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"Wow! It's amazing the stuff some people believe. Do you have any peer reviewed evidence for this? Anything not discredited at all?? Over 100 countries have passed aspartame as safe.
Speaking from a back ground of people who are PHD graduate chemists, I can definitely say it's dangerous for you. If you'd like you can go get a pot of formaldehyde yourself and drink a cup and let's see how well you feel? And when those tumors are growing out the side of your skull, you can blame it on something else entirely, as ignorance is bliss afterall.
Speaking from a background of sewerage (it's true, my grandpa worked on a sewerage farm). I call tell when someone is talking shit.
Can to explain how it turns into formaldehyde? I'll wait."
Clearly as your brains have turned to shit.
Aspartame breaks down into methanol which is (wood alcohol), methanol then converts into Formaldhyde. Do you want me to draw you a pretty picture too? |
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"Wow! It's amazing the stuff some people believe. Do you have any peer reviewed evidence for this? Anything not discredited at all?? Over 100 countries have passed aspartame as safe.
Speaking from a back ground of people who are PHD graduate chemists, I can definitely say it's dangerous for you. If you'd like you can go get a pot of formaldehyde yourself and drink a cup and let's see how well you feel? And when those tumors are growing out the side of your skull, you can blame it on something else entirely, as ignorance is bliss afterall."
lol
How much aspartame makes a pot of formaldehyde by the way.
Formaldehyde is a simple, naturally occurring substance made up of hydrogen, oxygen and carbon, with the formula CH2O. It is also naturally found in all organic forms of life, in trees, fruits, vegetables, fish, plants and animals and humans.
So, which of those should I avoid now?
Can you point me to the peer reviewed papers that show what your saying to be true or is that part of the global conspiracy?
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"Wow! It's amazing the stuff some people believe. Do you have any peer reviewed evidence for this? Anything not discredited at all?? Over 100 countries have passed aspartame as safe.
Speaking from a back ground of people who are PHD graduate chemists, I can definitely say it's dangerous for you. If you'd like you can go get a pot of formaldehyde yourself and drink a cup and let's see how well you feel? And when those tumors are growing out the side of your skull, you can blame it on something else entirely, as ignorance is bliss afterall.
Speaking from a background of sewerage (it's true, my grandpa worked on a sewerage farm). I call tell when someone is talking shit.
Can to explain how it turns into formaldehyde? I'll wait.
Clearly as your brains have turned to shit.
Aspartame breaks down into methanol which is (wood alcohol), methanol then converts into Formaldhyde. Do you want me to draw you a pretty picture too?"
Yep, feel free
What quantities, how and where is it stored in the body, what process and how long, not only that, can you point me to ANY peer review paper which can back up your claim? |
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"Wow! It's amazing the stuff some people believe. Do you have any peer reviewed evidence for this? Anything not discredited at all?? Over 100 countries have passed aspartame as safe.
Speaking from a back ground of people who are PHD graduate chemists, I can definitely say it's dangerous for you. If you'd like you can go get a pot of formaldehyde yourself and drink a cup and let's see how well you feel? And when those tumors are growing out the side of your skull, you can blame it on something else entirely, as ignorance is bliss afterall.
lol
How much aspartame makes a pot of formaldehyde by the way.
Formaldehyde is a simple, naturally occurring substance made up of hydrogen, oxygen and carbon, with the formula CH2O. It is also naturally found in all organic forms of life, in trees, fruits, vegetables, fish, plants and animals and humans.
So, which of those should I avoid now?
Can you point me to the peer reviewed papers that show what your saying to be true or is that part of the global conspiracy?
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http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/formaldehyde
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"Its all about moderation in what you put in your body aspartemine is no more garmful than other stuff. Lots of scaremongering not based on fact.
It's not scare mongering it's called being intellectual, you don't eat carcinogenic foods, simple as that. Mosanto is a multi trillion dollar company, and have ties into Government as a lot of their directors also work for the Government/FDA, so they will do there utmost to push through their products, one of which is in every single sugar free product in the world, which has a net profit of billions. "
Actually we eat carcinogenic foods all the time. Many many things cause cancer in the correct quantities.
I think perhaps you've supping at the conspiracy theory fountain once too often.
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"Wow! It's amazing the stuff some people believe. Do you have any peer reviewed evidence for this? Anything not discredited at all?? Over 100 countries have passed aspartame as safe.
Speaking from a back ground of people who are PHD graduate chemists, I can definitely say it's dangerous for you. If you'd like you can go get a pot of formaldehyde yourself and drink a cup and let's see how well you feel? And when those tumors are growing out the side of your skull, you can blame it on something else entirely, as ignorance is bliss afterall.
Speaking from a background of sewerage (it's true, my grandpa worked on a sewerage farm). I call tell when someone is talking shit.
Can to explain how it turns into formaldehyde? I'll wait.
Clearly as your brains have turned to shit.
Aspartame breaks down into methanol which is (wood alcohol), methanol then converts into Formaldhyde. Do you want me to draw you a pretty picture too?
Yep, feel free
What quantities, how and where is it stored in the body, what process and how long, not only that, can you point me to ANY peer review paper which can back up your claim?"
You're quick to ask for my peer review, where the hell is yours? The quantity is small amounts, but it's the continuous usage that builds up, as the post earlier stated it leaves deposits in the body as it cannot be broken down. |
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Also. Please be aware that manufacturers have cottoned on to the fact that many now avoid Aspartame so will often omit using the word in ingredients lists and replacing it with its E number which is E951.
It will always have a warning too though that accompanies it, stating that the product contains a source of Phenylalanine.
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"Its all about moderation in what you put in your body aspartemine is no more garmful than other stuff. Lots of scaremongering not based on fact.
It's not scare mongering it's called being intellectual, you don't eat carcinogenic foods, simple as that. Mosanto is a multi trillion dollar company, and have ties into Government as a lot of their directors also work for the Government/FDA, so they will do there utmost to push through their products, one of which is in every single sugar free product in the world, which has a net profit of billions.
Actually we eat carcinogenic foods all the time. Many many things cause cancer in the correct quantities.
I think perhaps you've supping at the conspiracy theory fountain once too often.
I'm off to area 51 to see the space fairies if you need me"
Alright well you keep sipping on your sugar free cancerous drinks and foods, and I'll stick with the organic non GMO lifestyle.. Yummy, cancer! |
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"Wow! It's amazing the stuff some people believe. Do you have any peer reviewed evidence for this? Anything not discredited at all?? Over 100 countries have passed aspartame as safe.
Speaking from a back ground of people who are PHD graduate chemists, I can definitely say it's dangerous for you. If you'd like you can go get a pot of formaldehyde yourself and drink a cup and let's see how well you feel? And when those tumors are growing out the side of your skull, you can blame it on something else entirely, as ignorance is bliss afterall.
lol
How much aspartame makes a pot of formaldehyde by the way.
Formaldehyde is a simple, naturally occurring substance made up of hydrogen, oxygen and carbon, with the formula CH2O. It is also naturally found in all organic forms of life, in trees, fruits, vegetables, fish, plants and animals and humans.
So, which of those should I avoid now?
Can you point me to the peer reviewed papers that show what your saying to be true or is that part of the global conspiracy?
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/formaldehyde
There you genius"
And in your research did you manage to find the link debunking the myth of the link between formaldehyde and aspartame?
Or in fact that bananas and oranges create more formaldehyde when broken down in the body?
Shock horror! Is Del Monte causing us all cancer with their insidious distribution of bananas!
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Clearly as your brains have turned to shit.
Aspartame breaks down into methanol which is (wood alcohol), methanol then converts into Formaldhyde. Do you want me to draw you a pretty picture too?"
Oh yes please. Perhaps one of those nice diagrams that show what happens to a molecule to turn it into another.
Especially the bit that turns methanol into formaldehyde without 250 to 400 degrees of temperature. |
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"Its all about moderation in what you put in your body aspartemine is no more garmful than other stuff. Lots of scaremongering not based on fact.
It's not scare mongering it's called being intellectual, you don't eat carcinogenic foods, simple as that. Mosanto is a multi trillion dollar company, and have ties into Government as a lot of their directors also work for the Government/FDA, so they will do there utmost to push through their products, one of which is in every single sugar free product in the world, which has a net profit of billions. "
Of course its scaremongering as you are unable to back up in fact your assimptiond. Yes its a money making thing as with all things but if you truly believe all the nations that pass it as safe are wrong then you have conspiracy theoryism |
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"Many airlines have asked their pilots not to drink diet drinks ( etc) to "excess" because they researched it and found that Aspartame can affect their abilities. "
Source?
have they really? Does it really?
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"Wow! It's amazing the stuff some people believe. Do you have any peer reviewed evidence for this? Anything not discredited at all?? Over 100 countries have passed aspartame as safe.
Speaking from a back ground of people who are PHD graduate chemists, I can definitely say it's dangerous for you. If you'd like you can go get a pot of formaldehyde yourself and drink a cup and let's see how well you feel? And when those tumors are growing out the side of your skull, you can blame it on something else entirely, as ignorance is bliss afterall.
Speaking from a background of sewerage (it's true, my grandpa worked on a sewerage farm). I call tell when someone is talking shit.
Can to explain how it turns into formaldehyde? I'll wait.
Clearly as your brains have turned to shit.
Aspartame breaks down into methanol which is (wood alcohol), methanol then converts into Formaldhyde. Do you want me to draw you a pretty picture too?
Yep, feel free
What quantities, how and where is it stored in the body, what process and how long, not only that, can you point me to ANY peer review paper which can back up your claim?
You're quick to ask for my peer review, where the hell is yours? The quantity is small amounts, but it's the continuous usage that builds up, as the post earlier stated it leaves deposits in the body as it cannot be broken down. "
I'm not making wild claims on the internet that have no basis in reality.
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"Many airlines have asked their pilots not to drink diet drinks ( etc) to "excess" because they researched it and found that Aspartame can affect their abilities.
Source?
have they really? Does it really?
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"Its all about moderation in what you put in your body aspartemine is no more garmful than other stuff. Lots of scaremongering not based on fact.
It's not scare mongering it's called being intellectual, you don't eat carcinogenic foods, simple as that. Mosanto is a multi trillion dollar company, and have ties into Government as a lot of their directors also work for the Government/FDA, so they will do there utmost to push through their products, one of which is in every single sugar free product in the world, which has a net profit of billions.
Actually we eat carcinogenic foods all the time. Many many things cause cancer in the correct quantities.
I think perhaps you've supping at the conspiracy theory fountain once too often.
I'm off to area 51 to see the space fairies if you need me
Alright well you keep sipping on your sugar free cancerous drinks and foods, and I'll stick with the organic non GMO lifestyle.. Yummy, cancer! "
Actually I do have cancer, but it's sun related (or maybe that's a conspiracy as well). Keep eating the bananas and oranges as well.... lots of formaldehyde in those as well. Or is it only formaldehyde from aspartame that counts? Your intellectual research only starts from one point and isn't critical of things you believe in, only in those you don't.
So peer review evidence is clearly biased in favour of the big business/government and anecdotal evidence is true because it wasn't done by a big business.
BTW, I drink lots of diet , but also eat loads of bananas (non gm organic) so I'm fucked anyway |
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"Many airlines have asked their pilots not to drink diet drinks ( etc) to "excess" because they researched it and found that Aspartame can affect their abilities.
Source?
have they really? Does it really?
I'd guess maybe a mix of pressurised atmosphere and lots of caffiene if anything. I imagine caffiene shake could be bad while trying to land a plane."
I'd absolutely agree with the caffeine thing, although most pilots I know survive on the stuff! |
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"To put him out of his misery, methanol is metabolised into formic acid not formaldehyde."
Could I just say that's possibly the sexiest thing I've seen written on here
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Clearly as your brains have turned to shit.
Aspartame breaks down into methanol which is (wood alcohol), methanol then converts into Formaldhyde. Do you want me to draw you a pretty picture too?
Oh yes please. Perhaps one of those nice diagrams that show what happens to a molecule to turn it into another.
Especially the bit that turns methanol into formaldehyde without 250 to 400 degrees of temperature."
Methanol is present in a lot of fruits and fruit juices, partly in the form of methyl esters, including pectin. In the digestive system, many of these esters are hydrolyzed to release methanol. Your liver is equipped to handle methanol in this kind of quantity--it oxidizes the methanol to formaldehyde and then to formic acid. But constant abuse in the case of drinking sugar free drinks daily will leave deposits in the body, which is what causes the tumors. |
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Clearly as your brains have turned to shit.
Aspartame breaks down into methanol which is (wood alcohol), methanol then converts into Formaldhyde. Do you want me to draw you a pretty picture too?
Oh yes please. Perhaps one of those nice diagrams that show what happens to a molecule to turn it into another.
Especially the bit that turns methanol into formaldehyde without 250 to 400 degrees of temperature.
Methanol is present in a lot of fruits and fruit juices, partly in the form of methyl esters, including pectin. In the digestive system, many of these esters are hydrolyzed to release methanol. Your liver is equipped to handle methanol in this kind of quantity--it oxidizes the methanol to formaldehyde and then to formic acid. But constant abuse in the case of drinking sugar free drinks daily will leave deposits in the body, which is what causes the tumors."
And your evidence for this is?
Look I don't mean to be rude, but if you claim something causes cancer then I want to see evidence of where that information is published and that it's been peer reviewed so that it's a repeatable experiment. Science is about discovery and replication, it's not about wild claims. Nothing so far has backed up your claim that there is an established proven link between a consumption of Aspartame and people developing cancerous tumours. All we've heard is conspiracy theories |
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Clearly as your brains have turned to shit.
Aspartame breaks down into methanol which is (wood alcohol), methanol then converts into Formaldhyde. Do you want me to draw you a pretty picture too?
Oh yes please. Perhaps one of those nice diagrams that show what happens to a molecule to turn it into another.
Especially the bit that turns methanol into formaldehyde without 250 to 400 degrees of temperature.
Methanol is present in a lot of fruits and fruit juices, partly in the form of methyl esters, including pectin. In the digestive system, many of these esters are hydrolyzed to release methanol. Your liver is equipped to handle methanol in this kind of quantity--it oxidizes the methanol to formaldehyde and then to formic acid. But constant abuse in the case of drinking sugar free drinks daily will leave deposits in the body, which is what causes the tumors."
I'm curious. You say you are from a PHD graduate background?
A Bsc is an undergraduate
An Msc is a graduate
A PHD is a doctorate.
I'd have throught you'd have known that.
So once again, how does methanol turn into formaldehyde?
And if formaldehyde turns into formic acid how does it leave deposits of formaldehyde? You just admitted it becomes formic acid.
And surely someone of you intellectual calibre would be more worried about the dangers of formic acid. None of this toxins shit you are peddling, that does cause blindness and death. Hence the whole thing about tramps drinking metholated spirits.
By the way, I have a 2:1 Bsc in Analytical chemistry from Hull university. |
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Clearly as your brains have turned to shit.
Aspartame breaks down into methanol which is (wood alcohol), methanol then converts into Formaldhyde. Do you want me to draw you a pretty picture too?
Oh yes please. Perhaps one of those nice diagrams that show what happens to a molecule to turn it into another.
Especially the bit that turns methanol into formaldehyde without 250 to 400 degrees of temperature.
Methanol is present in a lot of fruits and fruit juices, partly in the form of methyl esters, including pectin. In the digestive system, many of these esters are hydrolyzed to release methanol. Your liver is equipped to handle methanol in this kind of quantity--it oxidizes the methanol to formaldehyde and then to formic acid. But constant abuse in the case of drinking sugar free drinks daily will leave deposits in the body, which is what causes the tumors.
I'm curious. You say you are from a PHD graduate background?
A Bsc is an undergraduate
An Msc is a graduate
A PHD is a doctorate.
I'd have throught you'd have known that.
So once again, how does methanol turn into formaldehyde?
And if formaldehyde turns into formic acid how does it leave deposits of formaldehyde? You just admitted it becomes formic acid.
And surely someone of you intellectual calibre would be more worried about the dangers of formic acid. None of this toxins shit you are peddling, that does cause blindness and death. Hence the whole thing about tramps drinking metholated spirits.
By the way, I have a 2:1 Bsc in Analytical chemistry from Hull university."
In humans, methyl alcohol could just as easily not be metabolized at all. That would be the ultimate and best outcome, and you could urinate it away or sweat it out and you would be fine. Unfortunately, there are some locations in the human body, particularly in the lining of the vessels of your body... especially in your brain that are loaded with alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) that converts methanol to formaldehyde.
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In humans, methyl alcohol could just as easily not be metabolized at all. That would be the ultimate and best outcome, and you could urinate it away or sweat it out and you would be fine. Unfortunately, there are some locations in the human body, particularly in the lining of the vessels of your body... especially in your brain that are loaded with alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) that converts methanol to formaldehyde.
1st 2:1 "
I'm sorry, but there's still no evidence that Aspartame has caused cancer through this process. |
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Or in fact that bananas and oranges create more formaldehyde when broken down in the body?
Shock horror! Is Del Monte causing us all cancer with their insidious distribution of bananas!
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing "
The bastards are also irradiating us...bananas are radioactive, I've got the Banana Equivalent Dose article at work showing bananas equating to microseiverts...if the thread's still running tomorrow I'll post some equivalents for a bit of light relief |
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In humans, methyl alcohol could just as easily not be metabolized at all. That would be the ultimate and best outcome, and you could urinate it away or sweat it out and you would be fine. Unfortunately, there are some locations in the human body, particularly in the lining of the vessels of your body... especially in your brain that are loaded with alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) that converts methanol to formaldehyde.
1st 2:1
I'm sorry, but there's still no evidence that Aspartame has caused cancer through this process. "
What proof is there to say it hasn't? |
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God this thread is turning into a my degree is better then your degree...let people make up their own minds about damages it may cause...it I'd not going anywhere it's in most sugar free products we are not going to get rid of it...let people come to their own conclusion... |
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In humans, methyl alcohol could just as easily not be metabolized at all. That would be the ultimate and best outcome, and you could urinate it away or sweat it out and you would be fine. Unfortunately, there are some locations in the human body, particularly in the lining of the vessels of your body... especially in your brain that are loaded with alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) that converts methanol to formaldehyde.
1st 2:1
I'm sorry, but there's still no evidence that Aspartame has caused cancer through this process.
What proof is there to say it hasn't? "
I'm sorry? that's your evidence. I thought this was an "intellectual" approach you were using.
Try the National Cancer Institute or the American Cancer Society websites and they'll point you in that direction, but then they might be part of the conspiracy |
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"God this thread is turning into a my degree is better then your degree...let people make up their own minds about damages it may cause...it I'd not going anywhere it's in most sugar free products we are not going to get rid of it...let people come to their own conclusion..."
I am not going to post any more in response to the above, if people wish to use it, fair enough on their heads be it, I'm only trying to help people stay clear of it and not end up with the nasty side affects, I don't get nothing out of advising people, I certainly aren't trying to scare anyone, just make them aware of what they're being duped into thinking is healthy, isn't. |
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"God this thread is turning into a my degree is better then your degree...let people make up their own minds about damages it may cause...it I'd not going anywhere it's in most sugar free products we are not going to get rid of it...let people come to their own conclusion..."
The things is, when people make wild claims and no one challenges them, the people who read it maybe making up their minds based on gossip and anecdotal evidence rather than reality. |
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In humans, methyl alcohol could just as easily not be metabolized at all. That would be the ultimate and best outcome, and you could urinate it away or sweat it out and you would be fine. Unfortunately, there are some locations in the human body, particularly in the lining of the vessels of your body... especially in your brain that are loaded with alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) that converts methanol to formaldehyde.
1st 2:1
I'm sorry, but there's still no evidence that Aspartame has caused cancer through this process.
What proof is there to say it hasn't?
I'm sorry? that's your evidence. I thought this was an "intellectual" approach you were using.
Try the National Cancer Institute or the American Cancer Society websites and they'll point you in that direction, but then they might be part of the conspiracy"
Keep drinking it mate, I really can't be arsed to keep trying to tell you, you have no chemistry background, nor a degree. I've worked alongside absolute brilliant minds who all agree that this product should not be on the market, it's a carcinogen and is simply there for the money making side of business, they could not give a shit about you and never will do, welcome to the real world. Or keep living in your bubble and go hug Monsanto and they'll pat you on the head and tell you it's alright. |
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I've got totally lost on this thread, the only thing I have done was to look up Formaldehyde as the only time I've heard of this was as an embalming fluid. Was beginning to think I was totally wrong. |
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"God this thread is turning into a my degree is better then your degree...let people make up their own minds about damages it may cause...it I'd not going anywhere it's in most sugar free products we are not going to get rid of it...let people come to their own conclusion...
I am not going to post any more in response to the above, if people wish to use it, fair enough on their heads be it, I'm only trying to help people stay clear of it and not end up with the nasty side affects, I don't get nothing out of advising people, I certainly aren't trying to scare anyone, just make them aware of what they're being duped into thinking is healthy, isn't. "
To be fair we get told things are healthy then the next week they are unhealthy....the trouble is that the soft drink market is huge and people will drink the drink regardless what's in the product. I don't have children but would avoid giving them fizzy drinks as there is so much shit in it,...I have cut down completely drinking diet as I was drinking way to much of the stuff...I am not saying there is nothing wrong with educating folks of the bad side of it... |
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In humans, methyl alcohol could just as easily not be metabolized at all. That would be the ultimate and best outcome, and you could urinate it away or sweat it out and you would be fine. Unfortunately, there are some locations in the human body, particularly in the lining of the vessels of your body... especially in your brain that are loaded with alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) that converts methanol to formaldehyde.
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I'm sorry, but there's still no evidence that Aspartame has caused cancer through this process.
What proof is there to say it hasn't?
I'm sorry? that's your evidence. I thought this was an "intellectual" approach you were using.
Try the National Cancer Institute or the American Cancer Society websites and they'll point you in that direction, but then they might be part of the conspiracy
Keep drinking it mate, I really can't be arsed to keep trying to tell you, you have no chemistry background, nor a degree. I've worked alongside absolute brilliant minds who all agree that this product should not be on the market, it's a carcinogen and is simply there for the money making side of business, they could not give a shit about you and never will do, welcome to the real world. Or keep living in your bubble and go hug Monsanto and they'll pat you on the head and tell you it's alright. "
I don't have a degree? lol, nope, three. but besides the point. You've made a wild libellous claim (or three) and then have fuck all evidence to back it up. When asked for evidence you make more wild claims.
You may have worked "alongside" some brilliant minds......
Feel free to point me to their published peer reviewed work and I'll have a read.
BTW peer review is how actual intellectual processes take place. Evidence based practice it's called. |
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Bottom line is Aspartame is a chemical that makes things even sweeter than large quantities of sugar, it was refused a license for a long time by the American FDA, then the firm that makes it sponsored an election campaign and got approval when their candidate won. Obviously no connection there.
It's possibly harmless possibly not, BUT it does increase the desire for ever sweeter and more un-natural tastes, that alone is sufficient reason not to give it to children.
It's main purpose is to enable very large quantities of Coke and other soft drinks to be consumed in the USA. None of which are good for you.
Monitor the behaviour of your kids when they are off it for a month, see what happens. |
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"Yawns.... Just agree to disagree cos to each other cos your just chatting bollocks and you'll not change your minds !!!
What a waste of forum space!!! "
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debate, no one has to change their minds. Don't like it, don't read it. |
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over a year ago
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Was going to add some sound advice but don't think I will bother now as no one is listening any way so make up your own minds as that's what seems to be happening here |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The things is, when people make wild claims and no one challenges them, the people who read it maybe making up their minds based on gossip and anecdotal evidence rather than reality."
I think Hottiebottie is smarter than to make a judgement on goss....ip. 
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By (user no longer on site)
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Tis a great shame the debate was ruined... I was enjoying the sciencey bit and was hoping to see some peer reviewed evidence against aspartame. I'm reducing my fizzy drink intake...weaning myself with Ribena concentrate and diet at times.
Will have to find another forum for this debate!!
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The things is, when people make wild claims and no one challenges them, the people who read it maybe making up their minds based on gossip and anecdotal evidence rather than reality.
I think Hottiebottie is smarter than to make a judgement on goss....ip.
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Tis a great shame the debate was ruined... I was enjoying the sciencey bit and was hoping to see some peer reviewed evidence against aspartame. I'm reducing my fizzy drink intake...weaning myself with Ribena concentrate and diet at times.
Will have to find another forum for this debate!!
The things is, when people make wild claims and no one challenges them, the people who read it maybe making up their minds based on gossip and anecdotal evidence rather than reality.
I think Hottiebottie is smarter than to make a judgement on goss....ip.
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I know, it is a pity when people make things up, cite a random blog as proof and then fail to understand the scientific method despite claiming to be scientists.
Maybe next time eh? |
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Tis a great shame the debate was ruined... I was enjoying the sciencey bit and was hoping to see some peer reviewed evidence against aspartame. I'm reducing my fizzy drink intake...weaning myself with Ribena concentrate and diet at times.
Will have to find another forum for this debate!!
The things is, when people make wild claims and no one challenges them, the people who read it maybe making up their minds based on gossip and anecdotal evidence rather than reality.
I think Hottiebottie is smarter than to make a judgement on goss....ip.
I know, it is a pity when people make things up, cite a random blog as proof and then fail to understand the scientific method despite claiming to be scientists.
Maybe next time eh?"
I gave you the explanation as to how it's broken down, you never replied?
Did that degree come on the back of a fag packet by any chance? |
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I've been out all day and just caught up.
So forgetting all the sniping and bickering lol.
Aside from being bad for teeth and being high in calories is sugar bad?? Would it be a bad thing to avoid artificial sweeteners and move to sugar? |
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Tis a great shame the debate was ruined... I was enjoying the sciencey bit and was hoping to see some peer reviewed evidence against aspartame. I'm reducing my fizzy drink intake...weaning myself with Ribena concentrate and diet at times.
Will have to find another forum for this debate!!
I know, it is a pity when people make things up, cite a random blog as proof and then fail to understand the scientific method despite claiming to be scientists.
Maybe next time eh?"
Hope springs eternal!
I'm a fan of Ben Goldacre and the like, and since my background is Comp Sci, I have to rely on scientists to share with me evidence of how both the world and we work...
By the way, Ribena's concentrate isn't going to give me cancer is it?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've been out all day and just caught up.
So forgetting all the sniping and bickering lol.
Aside from being bad for teeth and being high in calories is sugar bad?? Would it be a bad thing to avoid artificial sweeteners and move to sugar? "
You should be fine just don't eat a banana x
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"I've been out all day and just caught up.
So forgetting all the sniping and bickering lol.
Aside from being bad for teeth and being high in calories is sugar bad?? Would it be a bad thing to avoid artificial sweeteners and move to sugar?
You should be fine just don't eat a banana x
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Oops... Too late. Had one for breakfast and shared one with my boy after dinner! |
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Tis a great shame the debate was ruined... I was enjoying the sciencey bit and was hoping to see some peer reviewed evidence against aspartame. I'm reducing my fizzy drink intake...weaning myself with Ribena concentrate and diet at times.
Will have to find another forum for this debate!!
The things is, when people make wild claims and no one challenges them, the people who read it maybe making up their minds based on gossip and anecdotal evidence rather than reality.
I think Hottiebottie is smarter than to make a judgement on goss....ip.
I know, it is a pity when people make things up, cite a random blog as proof and then fail to understand the scientific method despite claiming to be scientists.
Maybe next time eh?
I gave you the explanation as to how it's broken down, you never replied?
Did that degree come on the back of a fag packet by any chance? "
Nope, you said it happened but haven't actually shown how it happens. That's how science works you know. You show all of you evidence and your conclusions and allow us to try and replicate your results. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Facts
there are 35 teaspoons of sugar in a large chocolate milk shake, 7 teaspoons of sugar in a can of
7 teaspoons of sugar in a small individual apple pie.
( I sppose being scientific, it depends how big your spoon is |
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over a year ago
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I am awaiting results of bi opsy in my bladder to see if the deposits have become tumours. will let you know the results, I have put my house up for sale, in case |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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Sugar isn't bad for you - too much sugar is bad for you.
I'm weird - I liked tea as a kid and I like it still. Occasionally had Vimto as a treat.
Nothing wrong with giving kids water - if they are thirsty, they'll drink it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The thread isn't about bananas or oranges it was a bout a specific chemical sweetener."
And the argument was put forward that aspartame created formaldehyde in your body, the counter argument was that bananas and oranges create more of that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Is it just me, or do diet drinks and artificial sweeteners taste revolting? If I run out of sugar or honey and there is only sweetener in the house, I will take my brew without. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Facts
there are 35 teaspoons of sugar in a large chocolate milk shake, 7 teaspoons of sugar in a can of
7 teaspoons of sugar in a small individual apple pie.
( I sppose being scientific, it depends how big your spoon is "
Only 1 teaspoon of sugar or honey in my tea. A teaspoon is 5ml by the way. Any smaller and its an egg spoon, any bigger and it's for soup or dessert. |
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"Aside from being bad for teeth and being high in calories is sugar bad?? Would it be a bad thing to avoid artificial sweeteners and move to sugar? "
No it is not bad for you, we need sugar, it's actually very good for you... Just need to get the type and quantity right for your body's needs. |
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"7 teaspoons of sugar in a small individual apple pie.)"
Not in mine there isn't 12" pie dish gets 1 desert spoon (about 4 tea spoons) unless I have some sweet apples in the mix when it gets none. |
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Interesting thread...the things you learn on Fab! I'm not scientifically minded and had just blindly believed a few posts on facebook (yes I know!) about the side effects so was being a bit more conscious about my consumption of aspartame but now I'm not so sure! Might have to do a bit of research  |
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"you cant be Mrs kipling then."
Nope, and I don't have to cover up loads of other cheap nasty stuff in the mix, or have a shelf life, granddaughter loves it, but she is a bit weird, prefers fruit to chocolate |
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"Interesting thread...the things you learn on Fab! I'm not scientifically minded and had just blindly believed a few posts on facebook (yes I know!) about the side effects so was being a bit more conscious about my consumption of aspartame but now I'm not so sure! Might have to do a bit of research "
I agree that it really is interesting and quite refreshing too. Having just spoken to a close friend who is an expert in this sort of thing... Essentially, Aspartame may be bad, it may be completely safe, however it's not been around long enough or perhaps as rigorously examined as it could be.
However, virtually all peer reviewed research suggests it is safe and not deserving of the reputation it has.
In the end, that's all we have to go by...any alternative views are faith-based as the science doesn't yet support them.
May the truth set us all free so we enjoy diet without worrying!
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over a year ago
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"cows farting loads gives us cancer..and I have a PHD"
I suppose you mean the fact that the methane they produce adds to global warming (lets not have *that* discusion right now) which leads to more skin cancer.
Does your PHD stand for Pretty Hard Dick? |
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"Interesting thread...the things you learn on Fab! I'm not scientifically minded and had just blindly believed a few posts on facebook (yes I know!) about the side effects so was being a bit more conscious about my consumption of aspartame but now I'm not so sure! Might have to do a bit of research
I agree that it really is interesting and quite refreshing too. Having just spoken to a close friend who is an expert in this sort of thing... Essentially, Aspartame may be bad, it may be completely safe, however it's not been around long enough or perhaps as rigorously examined as it could be.
However, virtually all peer reviewed research suggests it is safe and not deserving of the reputation it has.
In the end, that's all we have to go by...any alternative views are faith-based as the science doesn't yet support them.
May the truth set us all free so we enjoy diet without worrying!
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Aspartame is one of the most widely studied, rigorously tested food ingredient in existence. Not sure where your friend got the not tested rigorously enough from! |
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"Interesting thread...the things you learn on Fab! I'm not scientifically minded and had just blindly believed a few posts on facebook (yes I know!) about the side effects so was being a bit more conscious about my consumption of aspartame but now I'm not so sure! Might have to do a bit of research
I agree that it really is interesting and quite refreshing too. Having just spoken to a close friend who is an expert in this sort of thing... Essentially, Aspartame may be bad, it may be completely safe, however it's not been around long enough or perhaps as rigorously examined as it could be.
However, virtually all peer reviewed research suggests it is safe and not deserving of the reputation it has.
In the end, that's all we have to go by...any alternative views are faith-based as the science doesn't yet support them.
May the truth set us all free so we enjoy diet without worrying!
Aspartame is one of the most widely studied, rigorously tested food ingredient in existence. Not sure where your friend got the not tested rigorously enough from!"
Yeah but if you watch the "real truth" you'd know it was a big conspiracy that's why everyone who uses it has cancer and Alzheimer's. I mean there's no evidence for that point of view but if there's one thing I've learned about the Internet, facts are nowhere near as important as a good old fashioned conspiracy. ( oh and the Chinese killed JFk) |
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If you drink at all, you obviously don't care much for your health. Take a 2l bottle of water to work and drink that instead of your teas, coffees, caffeine s, sugary drinks. You'll feel 2x better once the caffeine withdrawal symptoms have worn off and will actually be giving the body what it wants.
Coke tastes shit anyway. Drink it flat, when the fizz isn't masking the taste to see what i mean |
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"cows farting loads gives us cancer..and I have a PHD
I suppose you mean the fact that the methane they produce adds to global warming (lets not have *that* discusion right now) which leads to more skin cancer.
Does your PHD stand for Pretty Hard Dick? "
well thats a possibility lol, the cows farting bit was mainly just to highlight moreso the environment we as humans have made for ourselves...in all these food scares for some reason (especially cancer ones), there appears to be a lack of commentary on pollution, like its totally absent from anything.I suppose if you want a conspiracy theory thats one for the oil giants eh?
and yeahh...my PHD is pretty useful at this time in the morning! |
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"If you drink at all, you obviously don't care much for your health. Take a 2l bottle of water to work and drink that instead of your teas, coffees, caffeine s, sugary drinks. You'll feel 2x better once the caffeine withdrawal symptoms have worn off and will actually be giving the body what it wants.
Coke tastes shit anyway. Drink it flat, when the fizz isn't masking the taste to see what i mean"
Actually coffee has been studied and it's been found that it is good for you in moderation...I have completely cut down as I was drinking way to much coffee and diet |
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"Interesting thread...the things you learn on Fab! I'm not scientifically minded and had just blindly believed a few posts on facebook (yes I know!) about the side effects so was being a bit more conscious about my consumption of aspartame but now I'm not so sure! Might have to do a bit of research
I agree that it really is interesting and quite refreshing too. Having just spoken to a close friend who is an expert in this sort of thing... Essentially, Aspartame may be bad, it may be completely safe, however it's not been around long enough or perhaps as rigorously examined as it could be.
However, virtually all peer reviewed research suggests it is safe and not deserving of the reputation it has.
In the end, that's all we have to go by...any alternative views are faith-based as the science doesn't yet support them.
May the truth set us all free so we enjoy diet without worrying!
Aspartame is one of the most widely studied, rigorously tested food ingredient in existence. Not sure where your friend got the not tested rigorously enough from!"
By that I mean, as of yet - science doesn't have absolutes - thus far it's considered safe - perhaps in 50 years, things will change... When more longitudinal studies are carried out, it's impact, if any, will be clearer.
There have been some questionable studies with dubious results - and if you know much about the per review process, sadly it is sprinkled with dodgy experiments, though often (hopefully) these are ed out.
My friend happens to work in the field of poisons and part of her team's job is to analyse the veracity of studies/experiments in scholarly articles.
Ultimately, as I said, the evidence from peer reviewed studies so far purports to aspartame being safe, and any views to the contrary are pretty much faith-based.
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"Wow! It's amazing the stuff some people believe. Do you have any peer reviewed evidence for this? Anything not discredited at all?? Over 100 countries have passed aspartame as safe.
Speaking from a back ground of people who are PHD graduate chemists, I can definitely say it's dangerous for you. If you'd like you can go get a pot of formaldehyde yourself and drink a cup and let's see how well you feel? And when those tumors are growing out the side of your skull, you can blame it on something else entirely, as ignorance is bliss afterall.
lol
How much aspartame makes a pot of formaldehyde by the way.
Formaldehyde is a simple, naturally occurring substance made up of hydrogen, oxygen and carbon, with the formula CH2O. It is also naturally found in all organic forms of life, in trees, fruits, vegetables, fish, plants and animals and humans.
So, which of those should I avoid now?
Can you point me to the peer reviewed papers that show what your saying to be true or is that part of the global conspiracy?
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Speaking as a person who works in an industry that uses formaldehyde, I can tell you it is not safe and legislation is being brought in to ban its use wherever practicable. Anyone at my place of work that uses it does so either in a fume cupboard or with breathing apparatus. Hydrogen cyanide is made of Hydrogen Carbon and Nitrogen, the three most abundant chemicals on the planets surface. Would you put that in your tea? |
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"Wow! It's amazing the stuff some people believe. Do you have any peer reviewed evidence for this? Anything not discredited at all?? Over 100 countries have passed aspartame as safe.
Speaking from a back ground of people who are PHD graduate chemists, I can definitely say it's dangerous for you. If you'd like you can go get a pot of formaldehyde yourself and drink a cup and let's see how well you feel? And when those tumors are growing out the side of your skull, you can blame it on something else entirely, as ignorance is bliss afterall.
lol
How much aspartame makes a pot of formaldehyde by the way.
Formaldehyde is a simple, naturally occurring substance made up of hydrogen, oxygen and carbon, with the formula CH2O. It is also naturally found in all organic forms of life, in trees, fruits, vegetables, fish, plants and animals and humans.
So, which of those should I avoid now?
Can you point me to the peer reviewed papers that show what your saying to be true or is that part of the global conspiracy?
Speaking as a person who works in an industry that uses formaldehyde, I can tell you it is not safe and legislation is being brought in to ban its use wherever practicable. Anyone at my place of work that uses it does so either in a fume cupboard or with breathing apparatus. Hydrogen cyanide is made of Hydrogen Carbon and Nitrogen, the three most abundant chemicals on the planets surface. Would you put that in your tea?"
in somebody elses..if they were rich... |
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"Hydrogen cyanide is made of Hydrogen Carbon and Nitrogen, the three most abundant chemicals on the planets surface. Would you put that in your tea?
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Most definitely would, as I only ever drink coffee or vodka. Putting it in my tea would be the safest place for it |
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All things in moderation, if sugar and caffine were not naturally occurring substances they would be banned.
Tap water is chemically treated, spring waters come mostly in plastic bottles that can leach chemicals.
For children salt is the real danger. |
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"For children salt is the real danger."
They would die without salt, again it's not the product but the quantity, and that is not a fixed number it is variable depending on environment and activity. |
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" if sugar and caffine were not naturally occurring substances they would be banned.
Like cabbabis, cocaine and laundanum?"
cabbabis is the new wonder vegdrug, a genetically modified cabbage and marijuana plant!
it was on green growers today |
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" if sugar and caffine were not naturally occurring substances they would be banned.
Like cabbabis, cocaine and laundanum?
cabbabis is the new wonder vegdrug, a genetically modified cabbage and marijuana plant!
it was on green growers today "
has it been peer reviewed though thats the question cos if not it horse shit |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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OK, I have nothing to back this up except it was on Facebook Debunkers and had a link to other pages. It said that after its introduction and approval in the mid 70's, the sugar industry set about ruining its reputation.
Its licence was withdrawn over some "irregularities" in tests and it had to go through the rigorous testing for a second time to regain its licence. It was re-approved in the early 80's for use in soft drinks.
It was around 1998 that a hoax email started to circulate and it spread far and wide. Since that time (What I consider to be the start of the mass internet!) people have believed everything they have read!
Funny really, if some guy in a pub told you that drinking would kill you, he would have been laughed at! Just because it is on the dear old, dependable internet, well it MUST be true!! |
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"In other news, I hate the tiny keyboard on my phone. Especially combined with my fat fingers and apparently a stunning lack of proff reading ability."
fat fingers combined with my PHD,
my fatPHDngers
it made sense when I wrote it sideways |
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"I avoid anything 'fake'. We won't know for years what the chemicals are doing to us. Sugar is natural. Drink fruit juice or water. I hate fruit shoots and anything like Sunny D. "
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Whether aspartame is dangerous or not, does not change the fact that it tastes bloody horrible. It gives the impression of sweetness, but without any taste. It's a hollow sensation. Lo-Sodium salt is the same. There is no taste, just a sensation of saltiness but no flavour. Perfectly nice drinks have become adulterated by artificial sweeteners so much now, it is hard to find pop without any in, unless you pay through the nose. I might start making my own ginger beer, at least I know whats in it. |
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