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over a year ago
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"As some prisoners in the USA are on strike claiming solitary confinment is torture do you agree with them and would you support them?"
No it's punishment, if your in prison and break the rules it's probably the only way to punish prisoners, also some prisoners are to dangerous to be allowed amongst other prisoners |
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I would have to agree with its punishement, a punishement worse than prison.. prison life offers some liberties, were as solitary has a great number of libitys remove.. no radio, no mattress, no toilets occassionally and no _iew at all of the outside world, toture it is, mentally scarring it is too, but what can one do a a person thats been encarcerated for breaking the rules and still refuses to tow the line with the attitude of what you going to do now, lock me up... since corporal punishement, lashes birch etc are illegal.. what you think?
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I hardly think being kept in solitary confinement is torture. They need to remember why they're in prison in the first place. It was hardly for being good upstanding pillars of the community was it?   |
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Yes solitary confinement is inhumane and I would describe it as torture. Punishment is loss of liberty and there are other ways to punish inside prison eg loss of privileges. You have no hope of rehabilitation of you don't show by word and feed how to respect basic human requirements. I would disagree that pensioners are treated inhumanely. |
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"Prisoners are treated more humanely than pensioners ffs.... "
Are they really?? Pensioners have their liberty, can see their family whenever they please, are nit subjected to random drugs testing a d cell searches, can spend their money on anything they like..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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How do you punish criminal behaviour inside a prison? There are very few effective way to do that, given that being in Pokey in the first place is punishment through incarceration and loss of the freedoms which non-criminals enjoy.
Plus, furthermore, there are certain prisoners who cannot be put into general population, either for their own safety or the safety of other inmates.
Solitary is (for the most part, however) a removal of those few freedoms and privileges which are left as a form of further punishment for the commitment of further crimes inside. So if its 'inhumane', how would people suggest you punish them?
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No TV, no radio, no books, no visits, extension of sentence, loss of parole are ways to further punish prisoners. Solitary in my opinion should be reserved for the worst of criminals. Most prisoners will one day be released I see the job of prison as first punishment and second rehabilitation lock a person away from human contact and you take steps away from rehabilitation not towards it. |
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We don't have solitary confinement here any way. We have segregation units which certainly have beds and toilet facilities in them, they have access to phones when required and allowed, yes they are in their cells when not in re_iew board meetings etc but that call does have Windows.
Segregation is not only used as punishment bit is used to protect vulnerable prisoners as well. |
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"Prisoners are treated more humanely than pensioners ffs.... "
Agree with you there, how many pensioners are living solitary lives now without the benefit of a warm house, proper food , someone to do their washing and cleaning and without the worry of how the next bill is going to be paid. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As some prisoners in the USA are on strike claiming solitary confinment is torture do you agree with them and would you support them?"
That's kind of the same thing isn't it?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Prisoners are treated more humanely than pensioners ffs....
Agree with you there, how many pensioners are living solitary lives now without the benefit of a warm house, proper food , someone to do their washing and cleaning and without the worry of how the next bill is going to be paid. "
I'm sorry who is "treating" pensioners that way? Solitary confinement isn't just being in a room, it's the removal of stimulus, so there's no voices, no external sounds. They're designed to torture the mind which is why they don't use them here and when something similar is used it's for very short periods (seclusion in psychiatric settings)
People who say things like you've just
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"I hardly think being kept in solitary confinement is torture. They need to remember why they're in prison in the first place. It was hardly for being good upstanding pillars of the community was it? "
Solitary confinement is meant to torture. It's designed to remove the stimulus from our brains. It's not just being kept away from your mates. It's being kept away from everyone in a room with no external stimulus at all. Most people here would struggle in a nice hotel room with no tv, Internet or phone for a day let alone a month. |
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By *obbyggg OP Man
over a year ago
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I don't think so.No, I'm sure that's not true of solitary in the US.Not the ones I've seen on tv documentaries. They can hear voices for sure.And have stuff in ther cells. They just cannot physically touch another human. I.e exercise in seperate area but see others. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I hardly think being kept in solitary confinement is torture. They need to remember why they're in prison in the first place. It was hardly for being good upstanding pillars of the community was it? "
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"I hardly think being kept in solitary confinement is torture. They need to remember why they're in prison in the first place. It was hardly for being good upstanding pillars of the community was it?
Solitary confinement is meant to torture. It's designed to remove the stimulus from our brains. It's not just being kept away from your mates. It's being kept away from everyone in a room with no external stimulus at all. Most people here would struggle in a nice hotel room with no tv, Internet or phone for a day let alone a month."
Id say pretty much all of the people on here didn't commit a crime heinous enough to turn them a 15 year stretch followed by having to be segregated because they quite enjoy shivving the other inmates. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Some AMERICAN prisoners in the past have been locked in total darkness without excercise for years at a time. That is torture, but then some of them have also been electrocuted, gassed, or given lethal injections too.
Solitary in the UK is much kinder and for limited duration, a bit like going on the naughty step in comparison. We do tend to be more civilised. |
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"I hardly think being kept in solitary confinement is torture. They need to remember why they're in prison in the first place. It was hardly for being good upstanding pillars of the community was it?
Solitary confinement is meant to torture. It's designed to remove the stimulus from our brains. It's not just being kept away from your mates. It's being kept away from everyone in a room with no external stimulus at all. Most people here would struggle in a nice hotel room with no tv, Internet or phone for a day let alone a month.
Id say pretty much all of the people on here didn't commit a crime heinous enough to turn them a 15 year stretch followed by having to be segregated because they quite enjoy shivving the other inmates. "
You say that, but the number of people who post on here how they'd lose no sleep over killing someone who'd committed a serious crime such as rape of murder would lead me to think they're not that far away from it.
Aside from that in US prisons you don't have to have broken the rules that severely to be put in solitary. It could be far leas in some states. Remember that not all states in the US have the same rules or laws. |
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"As some prisoners in the USA are on strike
How can prisoner's go on strike?...
Striking what?..how?..
Well, Im guessing hunger strike?"
Also prisoners cook the food, wash the clothes, run the library and in many prisons do work for the government. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've been pulled on that already, should have read hunger strike.Soz didn't make it clear."
Ohhhhh.
That's ok..they can starve themselves.
Especially the murdering ones. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Human rights
If you are an upstanding member of society you have them
If you commit a crime you loose some
The more serious the crime the more you should loose....what about the victims of crime!!
What about the v hard working people in this country who now struggle to put food on the table.......you get fed have a roof over your head in prison , you dont work for your this....human rights my arse !!.....prison is not a big enough detterant |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I hardly think being kept in solitary confinement is torture. They need to remember why they're in prison in the first place. It was hardly for being good upstanding pillars of the community was it?
Solitary confinement is meant to torture. It's designed to remove the stimulus from our brains. It's not just being kept away from your mates. It's being kept away from everyone in a room with no external stimulus at all. Most people here would struggle in a nice hotel room with no tv, Internet or phone for a day let alone a month.
Id say pretty much all of the people on here didn't commit a crime heinous enough to turn them a 15 year stretch followed by having to be segregated because they quite enjoy shivving the other inmates.
You say that, but the number of people who post on here how they'd lose no sleep over killing someone who'd committed a serious crime such as rape of murder would lead me to think they're not that far away from it.
Aside from that in US prisons you don't have to have broken the rules that severely to be put in solitary. It could be far leas in some states. Remember that not all states in the US have the same rules or laws."
I've never agreed with the execution of prisoners by the state, whatever the crime.
But you do need ways of enforcing the rules inside prisons or General Population is nothing more than a free-for-all with Last Man Standing rules. You have to have the fear of further loss of liberty whilst inside, further punishment which can be metered out - because if you don't there is no structure under which you can rehabilitate offenders. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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But you do need ways of enforcing the rules inside prisons or General Population is nothing more than a free-for-all with Last Man Standing rules. You have to have the fear of further loss of liberty whilst inside, further punishment which can be metered out - because if you don't there is no structure under which you can rehabilitate offenders. "
I agree, just not sure solitary is the best way. To be fair in terms of rehab, due to the extreme _iews on criminals & crime prison will never work. Politically any form of rehab is seen as being "soft on crime" The things that teach people to rehab and give them skills in the community are often seen as "treating prisoners better than pensioners" and rewarding them. A very vocal portion of the population want prisoners treated like scum remove all their rights and punish them "properly"(which has never worked but hey ho). |
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"Prisoners are treated more humanely than pensioners ffs....
Agree with you there, how many pensioners are living solitary lives now without the benefit of a warm house, proper food , someone to do their washing and cleaning and without the worry of how the next bill is going to be paid.
I'm sorry who is "treating" pensioners that way? Solitary confinement isn't just being in a room, it's the removal of stimulus, so there's no voices, no external sounds. They're designed to torture the mind which is why they don't use them here and when something similar is used it's for very short periods (seclusion in psychiatric settings)
People who say things like you've just
Said spend way too much time reading the daily mail/express etc. "
Can't remember when I last read any paper , what does that make me ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Prisoners are treated more humanely than pensioners ffs....
Agree with you there, how many pensioners are living solitary lives now without the benefit of a warm house, proper food , someone to do their washing and cleaning and without the worry of how the next bill is going to be paid.
I'm sorry who is "treating" pensioners that way? Solitary confinement isn't just being in a room, it's the removal of stimulus, so there's no voices, no external sounds. They're designed to torture the mind which is why they don't use them here and when something similar is used it's for very short periods (seclusion in psychiatric settings)
People who say things like you've just
Said spend way too much time reading the daily mail/express etc.
Can't remember when I last read any paper , what does that make me ? "
Depends where you get your information and knowledge of the subject matter from. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Prisoners are treated more humanely than pensioners ffs....
Agree with you there, how many pensioners are living solitary lives now without the benefit of a warm house, proper food , someone to do their washing and cleaning and without the worry of how the next bill is going to be paid.
I'm sorry who is "treating" pensioners that way? Solitary confinement isn't just being in a room, it's the removal of stimulus, so there's no voices, no external sounds. They're designed to torture the mind which is why they don't use them here and when something similar is used it's for very short periods (seclusion in psychiatric settings)
People who say things like you've just
Said spend way too much time reading the daily mail/express etc.
Can't remember when I last read any paper , what does that make me ?
Depends where you get your information and knowledge of the subject matter from. "
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"As some prisoners in the USA are on strike
How can prisoner's go on strike?...
Striking what?..how?..
Well, Im guessing hunger strike?
Also prisoners cook the food, wash the clothes, run the library and in many prisons do work for the government. "
And work as call centre operatives! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Prisoners are treated more humanely than pensioners ffs....
Agree with you there, how many pensioners are living solitary lives now without the benefit of a warm house, proper food , someone to do their washing and cleaning and without the worry of how the next bill is going to be paid.
I'm sorry who is "treating" pensioners that way? Solitary confinement isn't just being in a room, it's the removal of stimulus, so there's no voices, no external sounds. They're designed to torture the mind which is why they don't use them here and when something similar is used it's for very short periods (seclusion in psychiatric settings)
People who say things like you've just
Said spend way too much time reading the daily mail/express etc.
Can't remember when I last read any paper , what does that make me ?
Depends where you get your information and knowledge of the subject matter from.
Work and life "
Ok didn't realise you'd worked in both prisons and with pensioners
My mistake
In my experience of working in a variety of capacities in elderly care, and secure facilities my experience, knowledge and work don't match the statement made.
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By *ifornowCouple
over a year ago
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Every civilized society and democracy has rules which the citizens must abide by. They are there for the benefit of all.
If you constantly break those rules then you are likely to end up in prison.
Every prison has rules which the inmates must abide by. They are there for the benefit of all and especially the safety of themselves, the prison staff and other inmates. If you constantly break those rules then you are likely to end up in solitary confinement.
This is pretty much last chance saloon.
To end up there, you have shown consitently, a complete disregard for all rules and regulations of society and establishments, probably leaving a trail of mayhem behind you. You have thrown back in the face of all those who have tried to previously help you and steer you in the right direction.You are no longer a fit person to have liberty in society or elsewhere.
If you then want to go on hunger strike.....then crack on ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes solitary confinement is inhumane and I would describe it as torture. Punishment is loss of liberty and there are other ways to punish inside prison eg loss of privileges. You have no hope of rehabilitation of you don't show by word and feed how to respect basic human requirements. I would disagree that pensioners are treated inhumanely."
Please tell me how you enforce the loss of privileges if they are on a normal wing |
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"Prisoners are treated more humanely than pensioners ffs....
Agree with you there, how many pensioners are living solitary lives now without the benefit of a warm house, proper food , someone to do their washing and cleaning and without the worry of how the next bill is going to be paid.
I'm sorry who is "treating" pensioners that way? Solitary confinement isn't just being in a room, it's the removal of stimulus, so there's no voices, no external sounds. They're designed to torture the mind which is why they don't use them here and when something similar is used it's for very short periods (seclusion in psychiatric settings)
People who say things like you've just
Said spend way too much time reading the daily mail/express etc.
Can't remember when I last read any paper , what does that make me ?
Depends where you get your information and knowledge of the subject matter from.
Work and life "
Hate to say it but your work and life experiences are incorrect, very few pensioners are left alone for any length of time. Whether it be visits from family, community nursing, social services or even care workers. You may not read the Fail or Express but your statements could be taken from their pages. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"depends on their crime, some people don't deserve the privilege of human company"
Funny but in some countries they'd say that about cross dressers and TVs.
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"Every civilized society and democracy has rules which the citizens must abide by. They are there for the benefit of all.
If you constantly break those rules then you are likely to end up in prison.
Every prison has rules which the inmates must abide by. They are there for the benefit of all and especially the safety of themselves, the prison staff and other inmates. If you constantly break those rules then you are likely to end up in solitary confinement.
This is pretty much last chance saloon.
To end up there, you have shown consitently, a complete disregard for all rules and regulations of society and establishments, probably leaving a trail of mayhem behind you. You have thrown back in the face of all those who have tried to previously help you and steer you in the right direction.You are no longer a fit person to have liberty in society or elsewhere.
If you then want to go on hunger strike.....then crack on !"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Every civilized society and democracy has rules which the citizens must abide by. They are there for the benefit of all.
If you constantly break those rules then you are likely to end up in prison.
Every prison has rules which the inmates must abide by. They are there for the benefit of all and especially the safety of themselves, the prison staff and other inmates. If you constantly break those rules then you are likely to end up in solitary confinement.
This is pretty much last chance saloon.
To end up there, you have shown consitently, a complete disregard for all rules and regulations of society and establishments, probably leaving a trail of mayhem behind you. You have thrown back in the face of all those who have tried to previously help you and steer you in the right direction.You are no longer a fit person to have liberty in society or elsewhere.
If you then want to go on hunger strike.....then crack on !
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Not another Bobby Sands fiasco |
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"depends on their crime, some people don't deserve the privilege of human company
Funny but in some countries they'd say that about cross dressers and TVs.
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And gays, just see what's happening in Russia at the moment. Which proves my point about one day inadvertently finding yourself on the wrong side of the line because you never questioned the intentions of your elected representatives. |
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Lets be clear of course it's torture..all the medical evidence indicates that it has a profoundly damaging effect on the mental health of inmates.
The dilemma for prison authorities, however, is how to deal with inmates seen for whatever reason to be 'unmanageable'.
Solitary confinement provides an immediate solution.
Compared to the USA, UK prisons have a very low rate of this punishment..read into that what you will! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Solitary confinment is torture yes.
I was reading an article in the mail online the other day saying that a lot of people are leaving their dogs at home all day, they filmed them and said they suffered from depression and some were even self harming.
I know how they feel even though i like being on my own quite often, it can realy get you down being alone for a long time or being ignored by your parents for hours at a time, you actualy hurt inside and its true what they say that being lonely can make people ill and die young. |
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"As some prisoners in the USA are on strike claiming solitary confinment is torture do you agree with them and would you support them?"
It is what it is and the authorities have to have some sort of punishment and control. You can choose not to have it in prison by not doing the crime in the first place so little sympathy. |
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"As some prisoners in the USA are on strike claiming solitary confinment is torture do you agree with them and would you support them?
It is what it is and the authorities have to have some sort of punishment and control. You can choose not to have it in prison by not doing the crime in the first place so little sympathy."
So you agree it's torture? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As some prisoners in the USA are on strike claiming solitary confinment is torture do you agree with them and would you support them?
It is what it is and the authorities have to have some sort of punishment and control. You can choose not to have it in prison by not doing the crime in the first place so little sympathy.
So you agree it's torture?"
Waiting for them to answer your question might also count as torture 
I think there seems to be four main responses
1) Yes it's torture and therefore it shouldn't be used
2) Yes it's torture and I don't care if it's used as criminals are scum and don't deserve human rights
3) It's not torture because it's not that bad
4) It's not torture, because they're criminals and they should have known that they'd be punished
Miss any? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Blimey, if solitary confinement is torture then my 7 year old daughter may well report me to The Hague. Well, she might if she had a phone in her bedroom!
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I was watching (for the upteenth time) a programme about Dennis Rader an American serial killer known as BTK. His crimes were truly heinous and he relished standing in court regaling the gathered throng with his exploits.
Rader is locked up in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day: his own company must be torture for him.
I wish him a very long life. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As the old saying goes, if you can't do the time don't do the crime
? Does that mean that you think it's ok to torture prisoners? "
I just can't understand why you think being in solitary is Torture |
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"As the old saying goes, if you can't do the time don't do the crime
? Does that mean that you think it's ok to torture prisoners?
I just can't understand why you think being in solitary is Torture "
Because I work in places where something similar is used and I understand what solitary is like, not from films or books or anything else, but from actual first hand experience. Standing in a room designed for solitary confinement is one of the most unusual experiences I've had. It's horrific and being in there for 24 hours a day is not something I'd want to do or wish anyone else to experience. It's designed to fuck with your mind. Torture isn't about causing pain, it's about losing hope, about doing anything to get away from where you are and spending long periods of time away from stimulus can do that to anyone. It is banned under article 3 of the Geneva Convention in times of conflict, so it's not just my opinion that its torture. |
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"As the old saying goes, if you can't do the time don't do the crime
? Does that mean that you think it's ok to torture prisoners? "
Ok let's me ask you,do you think it's ok for someone sent to prison for whatever reason, then go in and cause disruption, by either.
1 attacking a Warden / prisoner
2 exploiting other prisoners
If you don't, how would handle him/ her and what punishment would you give them , how would you police your punishment
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"As the old saying goes, if you can't do the time don't do the crime
? Does that mean that you think it's ok to torture prisoners?
I just can't understand why you think being in solitary is Torture
Because I work in places where something similar is used and I understand what solitary is like, not from films or books or anything else, but from actual first hand experience. Standing in a room designed for solitary confinement is one of the most unusual experiences I've had. It's horrific and being in there for 24 hours a day is not something I'd want to do or wish anyone else to experience. It's designed to fuck with your mind. Torture isn't about causing pain, it's about losing hope, about doing anything to get away from where you are and spending long periods of time away from stimulus can do that to anyone. It is banned under article 3 of the Geneva Convention in times of conflict, so it's not just my opinion that its torture."
So you work in a prison ? |
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"As the old saying goes, if you can't do the time don't do the crime
? Does that mean that you think it's ok to torture prisoners?
Ok let's me ask you,do you think it's ok for someone sent to prison for whatever reason, then go in and cause disruption, by either.
1 attacking a Warden / prisoner
2 exploiting other prisoners
If you don't, how would handle him/ her and what punishment would you give them , how would you police your punishment
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Depends on a variety of factors, but as a rule solitary confinement isn't used in the UK, this is about the USA. So, I'm assuming that in the UK, they've got plenty of other strategies. |
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"As the old saying goes, if you can't do the time don't do the crime
? Does that mean that you think it's ok to torture prisoners?
I just can't understand why you think being in solitary is Torture
Because I work in places where something similar is used and I understand what solitary is like, not from films or books or anything else, but from actual first hand experience. Standing in a room designed for solitary confinement is one of the most unusual experiences I've had. It's horrific and being in there for 24 hours a day is not something I'd want to do or wish anyone else to experience. It's designed to fuck with your mind. Torture isn't about causing pain, it's about losing hope, about doing anything to get away from where you are and spending long periods of time away from stimulus can do that to anyone. It is banned under article 3 of the Geneva Convention in times of conflict, so it's not just my opinion that its torture.
So you work in a prison ?"
I can't really say where I work, but I've worked and trained staff in a variety of facilities in the UK |
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"As the old saying goes, if you can't do the time don't do the crime
? Does that mean that you think it's ok to torture prisoners?
I just can't understand why you think being in solitary is Torture
Because I work in places where something similar is used and I understand what solitary is like, not from films or books or anything else, but from actual first hand experience. Standing in a room designed for solitary confinement is one of the most unusual experiences I've had. It's horrific and being in there for 24 hours a day is not something I'd want to do or wish anyone else to experience. It's designed to fuck with your mind. Torture isn't about causing pain, it's about losing hope, about doing anything to get away from where you are and spending long periods of time away from stimulus can do that to anyone. It is banned under article 3 of the Geneva Convention in times of conflict, so it's not just my opinion that its torture."
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"As the old saying goes, if you can't do the time don't do the crime
? Does that mean that you think it's ok to torture prisoners?
I just can't understand why you think being in solitary is Torture
Because I work in places where something similar is used and I understand what solitary is like, not from films or books or anything else, but from actual first hand experience. Standing in a room designed for solitary confinement is one of the most unusual experiences I've had. It's horrific and being in there for 24 hours a day is not something I'd want to do or wish anyone else to experience. It's designed to fuck with your mind. Torture isn't about causing pain, it's about losing hope, about doing anything to get away from where you are and spending long periods of time away from stimulus can do that to anyone. It is banned under article 3 of the Geneva Convention in times of conflict, so it's not just my opinion that its torture."
Article 3 of the Geneva Convention doesn't mention solitary confinement it requires humane treatment for all persons in enemy hands. |
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"As the old saying goes, if you can't do the time don't do the crime
? Does that mean that you think it's ok to torture prisoners?
I just can't understand why you think being in solitary is Torture
Because I work in places where something similar is used and I understand what solitary is like, not from films or books or anything else, but from actual first hand experience. Standing in a room designed for solitary confinement is one of the most unusual experiences I've had. It's horrific and being in there for 24 hours a day is not something I'd want to do or wish anyone else to experience. It's designed to fuck with your mind. Torture isn't about causing pain, it's about losing hope, about doing anything to get away from where you are and spending long periods of time away from stimulus can do that to anyone. It is banned under article 3 of the Geneva Convention in times of conflict, so it's not just my opinion that its torture.
Article 3 of the Geneva Convention doesn't mention solitary confinement it requires humane treatment for all persons in enemy hands. "
The international Criminal Tribunal (former Yugoslavia) ruled defines article 3 as covering Solitary Confinement |
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"As the old saying goes, if you can't do the time don't do the crime
? Does that mean that you think it's ok to torture prisoners?
I just can't understand why you think being in solitary is Torture
Because I work in places where something similar is used and I understand what solitary is like, not from films or books or anything else, but from actual first hand experience. Standing in a room designed for solitary confinement is one of the most unusual experiences I've had. It's horrific and being in there for 24 hours a day is not something I'd want to do or wish anyone else to experience. It's designed to fuck with your mind. Torture isn't about causing pain, it's about losing hope, about doing anything to get away from where you are and spending long periods of time away from stimulus can do that to anyone. It is banned under article 3 of the Geneva Convention in times of conflict, so it's not just my opinion that its torture.
Article 3 of the Geneva Convention doesn't mention solitary confinement it requires humane treatment for all persons in enemy hands.
The international Criminal Tribunal (former Yugoslavia) ruled defines article 3 as covering Solitary Confinement"
Fair enough but the ICT isn't the Geneva convention |
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Worth thinking about fellow Brit Shaker Aamer; held in Guantanamo Bay since 2001, without charge. Cleared for release since 2007 but still held and much of the time in isolation. |
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"As the old saying goes, if you can't do the time don't do the crime
? Does that mean that you think it's ok to torture prisoners?
I just can't understand why you think being in solitary is Torture
Because I work in places where something similar is used and I understand what solitary is like, not from films or books or anything else, but from actual first hand experience. Standing in a room designed for solitary confinement is one of the most unusual experiences I've had. It's horrific and being in there for 24 hours a day is not something I'd want to do or wish anyone else to experience. It's designed to fuck with your mind. Torture isn't about causing pain, it's about losing hope, about doing anything to get away from where you are and spending long periods of time away from stimulus can do that to anyone. It is banned under article 3 of the Geneva Convention in times of conflict, so it's not just my opinion that its torture.
Article 3 of the Geneva Convention doesn't mention solitary confinement it requires humane treatment for all persons in enemy hands.
The international Criminal Tribunal (former Yugoslavia) ruled defines article 3 as covering Solitary Confinement
Fair enough but the ICT isn't the Geneva convention"
They are one of the groups that interpret the application of the Geneva Convention though.
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"As the old saying goes, if you can't do the time don't do the crime
? Does that mean that you think it's ok to torture prisoners?
I just can't understand why you think being in solitary is Torture
Because I work in places where something similar is used and I understand what solitary is like, not from films or books or anything else, but from actual first hand experience. Standing in a room designed for solitary confinement is one of the most unusual experiences I've had. It's horrific and being in there for 24 hours a day is not something I'd want to do or wish anyone else to experience. It's designed to fuck with your mind. Torture isn't about causing pain, it's about losing hope, about doing anything to get away from where you are and spending long periods of time away from stimulus can do that to anyone. It is banned under article 3 of the Geneva Convention in times of conflict, so it's not just my opinion that its torture.
So you work in a prison ?
I can't really say where I work, but I've worked and trained staff in a variety of facilities in the UK"
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"As the old saying goes, if you can't do the time don't do the crime
? Does that mean that you think it's ok to torture prisoners?
I just can't understand why you think being in solitary is Torture
Because I work in places where something similar is used and I understand what solitary is like, not from films or books or anything else, but from actual first hand experience. Standing in a room designed for solitary confinement is one of the most unusual experiences I've had. It's horrific and being in there for 24 hours a day is not something I'd want to do or wish anyone else to experience. It's designed to fuck with your mind. Torture isn't about causing pain, it's about losing hope, about doing anything to get away from where you are and spending long periods of time away from stimulus can do that to anyone. It is banned under article 3 of the Geneva Convention in times of conflict, so it's not just my opinion that its torture.
Article 3 of the Geneva Convention doesn't mention solitary confinement it requires humane treatment for all persons in enemy hands.
The international Criminal Tribunal (former Yugoslavia) ruled defines article 3 as covering Solitary Confinement
Fair enough but the ICT isn't the Geneva convention
They are one of the groups that interpret the application of the Geneva Convention though.
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Article 3 of the ICT covers the violation of the customs and laws of war. It dosnt mention solitary as far as I know. |
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"As the old saying goes, if you can't do the time don't do the crime
? Does that mean that you think it's ok to torture prisoners?
I just can't understand why you think being in solitary is Torture
Because I work in places where something similar is used and I understand what solitary is like, not from films or books or anything else, but from actual first hand experience. Standing in a room designed for solitary confinement is one of the most unusual experiences I've had. It's horrific and being in there for 24 hours a day is not something I'd want to do or wish anyone else to experience. It's designed to fuck with your mind. Torture isn't about causing pain, it's about losing hope, about doing anything to get away from where you are and spending long periods of time away from stimulus can do that to anyone. It is banned under article 3 of the Geneva Convention in times of conflict, so it's not just my opinion that its torture.
Article 3 of the Geneva Convention doesn't mention solitary confinement it requires humane treatment for all persons in enemy hands.
The international Criminal Tribunal (former Yugoslavia) ruled defines article 3 as covering Solitary Confinement
Fair enough but the ICT isn't the Geneva convention
They are one of the groups that interpret the application of the Geneva Convention though.
Article 3 of the ICT covers the violation of the customs and laws of war. It dosnt mention solitary as far as I know."
Crossed wires here
the ICT ruled on Article 3 of the Geneva Convention in the trials with regard to the former Yugoslavia. They felt that Solitary Confinement which although not always torture could equate to inhuman treatment.
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"As the old saying goes, if you can't do the time don't do the crime
? Does that mean that you think it's ok to torture prisoners?
I just can't understand why you think being in solitary is Torture
Because I work in places where something similar is used and I understand what solitary is like, not from films or books or anything else, but from actual first hand experience. Standing in a room designed for solitary confinement is one of the most unusual experiences I've had. It's horrific and being in there for 24 hours a day is not something I'd want to do or wish anyone else to experience. It's designed to fuck with your mind. Torture isn't about causing pain, it's about losing hope, about doing anything to get away from where you are and spending long periods of time away from stimulus can do that to anyone. It is banned under article 3 of the Geneva Convention in times of conflict, so it's not just my opinion that its torture.
Article 3 of the Geneva Convention doesn't mention solitary confinement it requires humane treatment for all persons in enemy hands.
The international Criminal Tribunal (former Yugoslavia) ruled defines article 3 as covering Solitary Confinement
Fair enough but the ICT isn't the Geneva convention
They are one of the groups that interpret the application of the Geneva Convention though.
Article 3 of the ICT covers the violation of the customs and laws of war. It dosnt mention solitary as far as I know.
Crossed wires here
the ICT ruled on Article 3 of the Geneva Convention in the trials with regard to the former Yugoslavia. They felt that Solitary Confinement which although not always torture could equate to inhuman treatment.
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And I think that's the issue. In the context of this thread it's weather or not you think solitary is torture or not. Nice debate though thank you |
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"Fair comment but can you answer my other question
Which other question?
If you scrol back up you will see, it's about what you would do"
I thought I'd answered that.
In the UK Solitary Confinement isn't used in the same way as it is in the USA (which is what the original question was about). It tends to be used to separate in emergency situations not as a punishment. Most of the evidence points to Solitary type arrangements being overly dangerous and not particularly effective in reducing incidents. They also tend to increase the psychological stability of the prisoner leading to an increase in unwanted behaviours.
In the UK, removal of privileges, lengthened sentences, removal to a more secure wing/prison are far more commonly and effectively used. You've got to remember most of our serial killers are in Hospital not prison so the equivalence to the USA isn't there in that respect. |
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And I think that's the issue. In the context of this thread it's weather or not you think solitary is torture or not. Nice debate though thank you "
No problem. I think that unless someone has experienced something similar or an equivalence, then they probably don't know what it's like. Most people see torture as a physical thing, but psychological torture is far more damaging in many cases. |
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"Fair comment but can you answer my other question
Which other question?
If you scrol back up you will see, it's about what you would do
I thought I'd answered that.
In the UK Solitary Confinement isn't used in the same way as it is in the USA (which is what the original question was about). It tends to be used to separate in emergency situations not as a punishment. Most of the evidence points to Solitary type arrangements being overly dangerous and not particularly effective in reducing incidents. They also tend to increase the psychological stability of the prisoner leading to an increase in unwanted behaviours.
In the UK, removal of privileges, lengthened sentences, removal to a more secure wing/prison are far more commonly and effectively used. You've got to remember most of our serial killers are in Hospital not prison so the equivalence to the USA isn't there in that respect."
oops sorry must have missed that, i cant multi task |
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"Make every prison like tent city in America and they'll soon stop offending"
2000 people currently held there, been open for 20 years and no decline in prison population. The research on whether they go back into prison shows that recidivism is actually no better than other prisons and perhaps even worse. It plays well with the "hang em high" people but as with most prisons is completely ineffective at two of its main objectives - deterrent and rehabilitation |
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"Nicecouple561. So do you support those American prisoners in their struggle? Would you say,sign a petition in support or maybe more? "
I can't support the use of solitary confinement or extreme segregation for anyone but people who would be harmed or harm others unless they were kept apart. But I don't know enough about the American penal system to sign petitions against any part of it. |
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