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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

seems threat on our freedom is at a greater risk from the police and government than it is terrorists.

disgusting abuse of power in the name of anti terrorism in the news.

the uk is definitely a puppet to the americans.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What abuse of power in the news (I live a sheltered life)

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

david miranda locked up .

search the news sites

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

He wasn't locked up he was held for questioning at the airport fir the full 9 hours they are allowed as far as I understand it.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

don't have the data that drove the appropriate department to question him... we are unlikely to get to hear the truth from both sides.

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Well seeing as its the MPs asking for reasons why he was detained, I think this one is all on the police.

Not saying there aren't problems with the government, but apportion blame where its due.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Well seeing as its the MPs asking for reasons why he was detained, I think this one is all on the police.

Not saying there aren't problems with the government, but apportion blame where its due."

home office?

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Well seeing as its the MPs asking for reasons why he was detained, I think this one is all on the police.

Not saying there aren't problems with the government, but apportion blame where its due.

home office?"

Yes, but that doesn't mean the Home Office told them to do it. I work for the Government but most of the time I don't do what they say

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

nothing new it one law them one for us

it is now 1984

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some slightly melodramatic statements, given the fact that there's many lawful protests all over the country.

No doubt you'll be kidnapped & put in a labour camp for making these comments publicly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well his partner's going to release some info about the UKs spy program or something.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some slightly melodramatic statements, given the fact that there's many lawful protests all over the country.

No doubt you'll be kidnapped & put in a labour camp for making these comments publicly. "

Or he'll "commit suicide" or die in a "car accident"

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By *wingerdelightCouple over a year ago

eastliegh

i wouldnt like to live in aplace where the police wernt aloud to do there job, but if its beeing done for intimidation then wrong and needs looking at

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

So Benjamin Fanklin said that? Great. Did he mean a society that would be like the UK now or one like Nazi Germany,Soviet Russia or the old East Germany? Police State,the UK? hahahahahah

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

I am sure that was apt back in the 18th century.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

I am sure that was apt back in the 18th century."

And I doubt Franklin meant liberty in the sense of a few hours in pokey.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

I do have to wonder at times if some people have any idea what living in a real police state is really like?....

Some totally melodramatic posts on this thread

As usual....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

I am sure that was apt back in the 18th century."

But the basic tenant is as applicable today as it was back then - possibly even more so. The erosion of civil liberties we have seen, to provide safe harbour and wage an intangible 'war on terror' over the last 12 years, have been nothing short of astounding.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Not noticed any difference in my liberty yet? Mind you I don't break the law.

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

I am sure that was apt back in the 18th century.

Yet it doesn't seem to have affected my life in any way. Hmmm.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

I am sure that was apt back in the 18th century.

Yet it doesn't seem to have affected my life in any way. Hmmm."

Fair Enough.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a fine line though. Consider :

a tall man arrested on the streets of Kent because he was taking photos in the High Street. I added "tall" because it was a feature of why the short arsed copper arrested him.

A man Surrey way, i believe, arrested whilst waiting for a cycle race to come by his area.. Arrested for what you may say, for NOT SMILING. ffs.

Several hours of his life lost/badly used with not even a thank you or a lift back.

Seriously, could you make this up?

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

I think you just did.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We are well down the slop my friends. There a number of law that say if you do not tell us this or that we will lock up you. They are more coming I bet as well.

The cops think they can do what they want and for the most part get away with it. Causing a car cash when on a hand free for one that come to mind.

Pushing someone over then coving it even when there a video on it on TV.

We have MP's that set the laws but due to criminal conviction cannot be lawyers!

I can keep going but you see the point i am making.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think you just did."

no he did not try reading the new from time to time. I would post a link to them but i think you cannot post links on FAB

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"I think you just did.

no he did not try reading the new from time to time. I would post a link to them but i think you cannot post links on FAB"

"You can link to:

Any well recognised news site (bbc, times, telegraph, sun, notw, cnn and all the rest) "

Someone's imagination doesn't count.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think you just did."

Look them up if you wish.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"I think you just did.

Look them up if you wish."

They're YOUR examples. The least you can do is cite your authority.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think you just did.

Look them up if you wish.

They're YOUR examples. The least you can do is cite your authority."

well there on of them we meet you half way.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/08/olympics-spectator-parkinsons-arrest-smiling

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"I think you just did.

Look them up if you wish.

They're YOUR examples. The least you can do is cite your authority.

well there on of them we meet you half way.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/08/olympics-spectator-parkinsons-arrest-smiling"

By his own admission, he was arrested for BOP, not for not smiling.

You found the other one yet?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think you just did.

Look them up if you wish.

They're YOUR examples. The least you can do is cite your authority."

Onny, as you well know, this is a lounge forum on a swingers site, not a peer re_iewed scientific magazine. The lack of citation does not make an item untrue.

Or alternatively, i look forward to you citing conclusive proof every time you blame the Tories for absolutely everything.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not noticed any difference in my liberty yet? Mind you I don't break the law."

Just wait till the laws change.

"but it wasn't supposed to be like this" will ring around the country.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think you just did.

Look them up if you wish.

They're YOUR examples. The least you can do is cite your authority.

well there on of them we meet you half way.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/08/olympics-spectator-parkinsons-arrest-smiling

By his own admission, he was arrested for BOP, not for not smiling.

You found the other one yet?"

To Quote the cop

"The man was positioned close to a small group of protesters and based on his manner, his state of dress and his proximity to the course, officers made an arrest to prevent a possible breach of the peace," Surrey police said in a statement."

Now how is this BOP pray tell?

Please not "based on his manner" i.e. no smiling.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

British comedy at it's finest....

'There I was, sitting on a wall at the side of the road alongside a group of protesters, minding my own business....with a pocket full of lifelike replica rubber knives....like you do...and this facist copper placed me under arrest.'

'It's a diabolical liberty, what's this country coming to when you get arrested just for looking like a complete nutter playing with your replica knives in your old army gear?'

'It's like sodding North Korea....'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think you just did.

Look them up if you wish.

They're YOUR examples. The least you can do is cite your authority.

well there on of them we meet you half way.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/08/olympics-spectator-parkinsons-arrest-smiling

By his own admission, he was arrested for BOP, not for not smiling.

You found the other one yet?"

RTFA aka Read The Fucking Article, especially the bit where he says "I was arrested for not smiling".

Or indeed all of it, especially where the police say what he was arrested for, and then tell us what he admitted?

By eck, if everybody was deemed to have made an admission of what they were arrested for then we really are in a Police State.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think you just did.

Look them up if you wish.

They're YOUR examples. The least you can do is cite your authority.

well there on of them we meet you half way.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/08/olympics-spectator-parkinsons-arrest-smiling

By his own admission, he was arrested for BOP, not for not smiling.

You found the other one yet?"

Ys i have as your been lazzy

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/henryporter/2009/jul/16/photography-police-_iew-delete-images

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think you just did.

Look them up if you wish.

They're YOUR examples. The least you can do is cite your authority.

well there on of them we meet you half way.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/08/olympics-spectator-parkinsons-arrest-smiling

By his own admission, he was arrested for BOP, not for not smiling.

You found the other one yet?

Ys i have as your been lazzy

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/henryporter/2009/jul/16/photography-police-_iew-delete-images

kin eck Kenny, bet you wish you could find a good shag as quickly eh?

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

'There we were, watching the cycling, and we noticed the man jump off the wall and make a lunge for Bradley Wiggins with the large knife'...'We can't understand the police, they were right there, they did nothing to stop the maniac killing the cyclists with those knives'

'I can't believe they are making the excuse that they thought the knives might be rubber replicas....what sort of police force do we have when they stand by and allow a nutter to attack athletes like that?'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think you just did.

Look them up if you wish.

They're YOUR examples. The least you can do is cite your authority.

well there on of them we meet you half way.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/08/olympics-spectator-parkinsons-arrest-smiling

By his own admission, he was arrested for BOP, not for not smiling.

You found the other one yet?

Ys i have as your been lazzy

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/henryporter/2009/jul/16/photography-police-_iew-delete-images

kin eck Kenny, bet you wish you could find a good shag as quickly eh?"

I think we all done

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They only found the knives AFTER he was arrested and searched. Knives were not the reason he was being watched. Failiure to smile and overall appearance. HAve we all got to start wearing uniforms now?

Stand still for the 2 minutes hate.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"seems threat on our freedom is at a greater risk from the police and government than it is terrorists.

disgusting abuse of power in the name of anti terrorism in the news.

the uk is definitely a puppet to the americans. "

greenwald had my support right up to the point where he is now threatening to release more uk secrets in retaliation for his partner being stopped...

that is petty..... and really does hurt any support...

it is either in the public interest and they should have been released as the professional journalist he is already, or it is not....

but doing it out of spite is wrong....

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"They only found the knives AFTER he was arrested and searched. Knives were not the reason he was being watched. Failiure to smile and overall appearance. HAve we all got to start wearing uniforms now?

Stand still for the 2 minutes hate."

You, and people just like you, would be the first to complain if the knives HAD been real and the police officers had not acted quickly enough to stop an attack on a group of Olympic cyclists....

You just need a reason to whinge and moan about authority.....any reason will do.

Unfortunately you can't have it both ways......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The sooner every baby is micro chipped the sooner we will be safe.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

I would sooner have nine hours taken out my life than them miss a terrorist attack potentionly killing hundreds. I'm sure anyone would prefer to be detained for nine hours rather than 9/11 happening

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Stand still for the 2 minutes hate."

what on earth was he doing carrying knives in the first place..... they have only been on the "not allowed to carry" list for the last... erm.... 11 years!!!!

the only issue I had was they kept him under anti-terror legislation which was obviously wrong and a missue of power...

had they detained him under lets say, the offical secrets act, which they could have had suspicions on since greenwald said he had uk secrets... and the person he was going to berlin to visit was the film maker greenwald is working with... then you could see why he would be stopped (as he could have been used as person carrying sensitive information) and why they would confiscate camera films and video equipment.......

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By *drianukMan over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

The police are no longer to be trusted.

They think they are here to serve the state. They are not: they are here to serve the populace.

It is a crucial distinction. We are a democracy - we citizens are entitled to information about that democracy. People with power try to deny us that information - and the police pile in to back the rulers.

The laws they cite were enacted to prevent terrorism - not to prevent embarrassment to a govt.

The police should be ashamed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I would sooner have nine hours taken out my life than them miss a terrorist attack potentionly killing hundreds. I'm sure anyone would prefer to be detained for nine hours rather than 9/11 happening"

I would sooner live in a world where neither happened.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Police state how ridiculous !!!!!!

The press are only interested in a story !!!!

How many times do you hear the suspect say I'm innocent !!!! I will clear my name , police this police that. Just look at the jimmy Saville thing going on , all have protested their innocence even Stuart Hall until the evidence hit him in the face.

Every day the police are trying to do a difficult job.

Nobody reports on anything they do well, from finding lost children, solving horrendous crimes and locking up the scum of this country!!!! Oh let's all whine cause I got a speeding ticket!!! Or parked illegally. It's because the police have been to tolerant of petty crime that this country is in the state it is. Try living abroad where the police have no discretion !!!! When the next atrocity takes place and it will come the police will be there as usual picking up the pieces!!!!! The politicians politicised the police because they want control

The uk police are not perfect but still the best in the world.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

How many people on here have been stopped under antiterror laws? We're a good cross section of the public. Must be loads according to our SWP subscribers.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Oh no one. Says it all really.

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By *drianukMan over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

UK police have been following the road to corruption and politicisation for many years now.

It started with 'New' Labour who saw them as a bastion of traditionalism.

Of course, the career aspirants among the police lapped it up and will parrot anything if it will wn them promotion.

The country is the worst for it.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

you suffered then under this Adrian. Can you give us tiny details how?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How many people on here have been stopped under antiterror laws? We're a good cross section of the public. Must be loads according to our SWP subscribers."

I can't cite authorities but you frequently hear of parents being investigated under RIPA for, gawds sake, taking their children to the "wrong" school. Admittedly, much reduced under the current Govt.

Not sure any have been arrested, indeed why should they, but once the first is, the floodgates could open? Is that not a little worrying.

What is more frightening is that in passing that legislation and it being pointed out what the law could be used for, the politicians said "oh noes, we would never use it for such purpose" ie tall photographers, school kids, but they do.

Do you trust the Politicians?

Clegg, who sold his parties principles down the river for a shot at power?

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Oh no one. Says it all really."

bet I have been "stopped and searched" more that you though.......

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

I don't trust anyone,well 3 people to be exact but you get my drift.Nobody anywhere.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I disagree it all started with do gooders and politically correctness as well as the usual anarchists , still there will be no complaints when sharia law is introduced one day

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By *drianukMan over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

"you suffered then under this Adrian. Can you give us tiny details how?"

I just read, listen to others, think and learn.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

You probably have. You implyinmg it's a race thing?

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Well listening to others is dodgy Adrain cos people do bullshit you know. Read what may i ask? Oh and we all learn. Nothing special there.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"I disagree it all started with do gooders and politically correctness as well as the usual anarchists , still there will be no complaints when sharia law is introduced one day "

Just when you thought the debate couldn't get any more ridiculous....

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"You probably have. You implyinmg it's a race thing?"

no... what I am saying is that it is very easy to comment and be bold/brashy without going thru a similar experience.......

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

I'm enjoying it satisfyjane. Not tone person has been stopped under antiterroe laws here. And now apparently they want nobody arrested I think. Freedom for Tooting!

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

I've been searched countless times at football matches. Doesn't bother me. I'm always ok.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It started ridiculous so I carried it on!!!!

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i am in no way saying the police get it right all the time, but they get it right more times than they get it wrong.....

the wrongs tend to get very high profile, and I am glad when they are investigated i.e the lawrence case, the de menizes case ect ect, and people have to be held accountable........

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"I disagree it all started with do gooders and politically correctness as well as the usual anarchists , still there will be no complaints when sharia law is introduced one day

Just when you thought the debate couldn't get any more ridiculous...."

Stick around. Before long word'll get out about Newsnight, the Berlin connection and the boyfriend's rant.

An' it's no' even Thursday

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Can't wait _nny. trembling with excitement.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I've been searched countless times at football matches. Doesn't bother me. I'm always ok."

if that is your answer you can tell you have never been "stopped and searched"

trust me... its more than just the football patdown

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By *r Mahogany70Man over a year ago

Leicester

"Police state how ridiculous !!!!!!

The press are only interested in a story !!!!

Every day the police are trying to do a difficult job.

The uk police are not perfect but still the best in the world. "

Don't know about "best in the world" but I agree with your sentiment

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If one has nothing to hide, one has nothing to worry.

Please immigrate and live somewhere else if one dislike this country for what it is worth!

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"If one has nothing to hide, one has nothing to worry. "

................

There WAS a time that was true. No longer.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Agreed pearl somewhere like North Korea and see a real police state in action.Honestly. Police state?!!! Laughable.And now appropriately Benidorm rerun is on. About the same level of reality as this thread. Night all. And watch out. Those capitalist lackey copper thugs are really out there watching you. Bastards! lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We wouldn't be having this police bashing discussion if the general public were law biding , decent and respectful and had morals !!!!!!!

Says me on a swinging site but swinging isn't illegal just yet or taxable !!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If one has nothing to hide, one has nothing to worry.

Please immigrate and live somewhere else if one dislike this country for what it is worth!

emigrate not immigrate

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If one has nothing to hide, one has nothing to worry.

Please immigrate and live somewhere else if one dislike this country for what it is worth!

emigrate not immigrate

Or migrate?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Stand still for the 2 minutes hate.

You, and people just like you, would be the first to complain if the knives HAD been real and the police officers had not acted quickly enough to stop an attack on a group of Olympic cyclists....

You just need a reason to whinge and moan about authority.....any reason will do.

Unfortunately you can't have it both ways......"

Tell me, what is an "acceptable" way to dress then?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The sooner every baby is micro chipped the sooner we will be safe."

Safe from who?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Stand still for the 2 minutes hate.

what on earth was he doing carrying knives in the first place..... they have only been on the "not allowed to carry" list for the last... erm.... 11 years!!!!

the only issue I had was they kept him under anti-terror legislation which was obviously wrong and a missue of power...

Rubber knives!!! I don't think the home office legislated for them. And they were not found until he had been arrested and searched.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The police are no longer to be trusted.

They think they are here to serve the state. They are not: they are here to serve the populace.

The laws they cite were enacted to prevent terrorism - not to prevent embarrassment to a govt.

The police should be ashamed."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Police state how ridiculous !!!!!!

The press are only interested in a story !!!!

Every day the police are trying to do a difficult job.

The uk police are not perfect but still the best in the world. "

Bugger me, and I thought it was their (rather well paid) job to find lost children, investigate robberies etc. Nobody MADE them do it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How many people on here have been stopped under antiterror laws? We're a good cross section of the public. Must be loads according to our SWP subscribers.

Not sure any have been arrested, indeed why should they, but once the first is, the floodgates could open? Is that not a little worrying.

Do you trust the Politicians?

Clegg, who sold his parties principles down the river for a shot at power?"

Softly softly catchy monkey

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If one has nothing to hide, one has nothing to worry.

Please immigrate and live somewhere else if one dislike this country for what it is worth!

I have nothing to hide....now. Neither have you. Just wait till our private sexual activities are not private anymore. Do you want your membership to a swingers site and all the details therein being read out in court one day? Oh of course that can never happen....can it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You clearly missed he point !!!!!! Nobody highlights their good work

Only negative comments like

Nobody made them do it !!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let's keep it in proportion.He wasn't beaten,was fed and watered and is now back home.Pussy Riot?Now define aPolice State.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You clearly missed he point !!!!!! Nobody highlights their good work

Only negative comments like

Nobody made them do it !!!!!!! "

I go to work every day, and I don't expect a pat on the head and to be told what a good job I am doing. I get a pay packet, isn't that enough for some people?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Let's keep it in proportion.He wasn't beaten,was fed and watered and is now back home.Pussy Riot?Now define aPolice State."

The main point is WHY was he picked up. For looking a bit "iffy"?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The police don't look for a pat on the head , just recognition that not all they do is wrong!!L

How do you know that you do a good job!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No,for his support of someone wanted for an illegal act

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The police don't look for a pat on the head , just recognition that not all they do is wrong!!L

How do you know that you do a good job!!!!!"

Otherwise I would be sacked. If they want recognition, volunteer for a charity or something. Otherwise they should stop expecting to be "recognised" and take their money (and plenty of overtime with all the protests about to start) and their bloody good pensions.

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By *n need of helpCouple over a year ago

hull

thought this was a swingers site not sky news !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't think the two police women recently murdered are benefiting from a "bloody good pension".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just another sweeping statement !!!!

Difficult to sack expel these days !!!

Police pensions are quite good but then who else pays in 11% soon to be 15%

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By *n need of helpCouple over a year ago

hull

like most people I know ,never join the army if you don't want to get shot at. certain things go with the job .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So true yes ,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't think the two police women recently murdered are benefiting from a "bloody good pension"."

As I said, nobody made them join up. They are made fully aware of the dangers that they may have to face. Same as the Army (which I was in). You volunteer to face this stuff for money. If people had to do it as a National Service, I would have every sympathy for them. Take the rough with the smooth. They don't seem to mind beating the shit out of non-violent protesters.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

By the way,does anyone know the phone number for "go to work every day and get a pay packet"the next time a gunman is on the loose or their is a motorway pile-up?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Pay Corp. perchance?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Definitely not military police

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Intelligence corp doubtful

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No,for his support of someone wanted for an illegal act"

So they detained him under the terrorism act... thin end of the wedge? His partner is a whistle blower and American, If he hasn't sign the british official secrets act than he hasn't broken any laws in this country. Wasn't so long ago that homosexual acts were illegal, laws are not always morally correct.

There are lots of good police officers.

Lots of police officers are cunts. Both true statements unlike lots of police statements.

The police need to be seen to be whiter than white. When they are not they should be rooted out and got rid of rapidly, but they are not. To many cover ups and bent coppers. There are plenty of cases that can be named where the police have covered up for each other or have lied, changed statements etc etc.

If you don't question any of their actions and blindly say 'oh well there a good bunch overall' that is giving them licence to do whatever they feel they want to do. It is our right in a supposedly democratic nation to question their acts though.

I don't think we're living in a police state, I do think a lot of people see the police through rose tinted spectacles though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are these _iews based on fact, fiction , opinion or from personal experience ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The punishment for infringing our freedoms should be severe, since we could loose that freedom by a law change, to prevent it happening.

Peaceful demonstration should be a right, but with some demonstrators breaking the law, police are weary and new tactics are bought in to control protests. Rather than really come down hard on those who break the law (loot, arson, occupation, criminal damage etc etc)

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

We saw a frightening glimpse of a "hands tied behind their backs" police force 2 years ago in the violent looting spree. 5 murdered, others violently assaulted and arson and evil acts committed. Now imagine society without them. What a nightmare. I'd arm them all day everyday like abroad where I feel "oh so safe" every time I see a cop.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are these _iews based on fact, fiction , opinion or from personal experience ?"

If your post is aimed at me...

fact opinion and personal experience and you don't have to look far to find the facts. If we are as a society going to employ a people to enforce the laws, then surely they must abide to the letter of the law. When they are found to be abusing this position then they must be removed from that position.

The only fiction is that some people already believe the police can do no wrong...

As far as the police are concerned it is not good enough to say, yeah but no but most of them are ok...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Abi, I think the police service is scrutinised massively.

Any misdemeanor, failing, bad press or ill founded decision is jumped upon by media and those who simply dislike authoritarian posts.

The service makes many mistakes, but through challenging it evolves.

It faces many difficult scenarios and decisions that by their very nature will leave people disgruntled.

When dealing with people, everything is subjective, so an assumption that a police officer lies is based on the fact that maybe they saw things differently to another.

Have police officers lied, been corrupt, or been c##ts as you put it ? Yes a cross section have. Does the police service evolve & try and become altruistic and whiter than white ? It will never get there but its not perfect. It will however progress and try.

Please don't infer I'm a liar and a c#nt without knowing me, its not a pleasant thing to do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The sooner every baby is micro chipped the sooner we will be safe."

How do You work that one out? Safe how? Because they can be tracked, have their biometric details downloaded?

RFIDs will be the next step. And a lot of you willingly be tagged.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Abi, I think the police service is scrutinised massively.

Any misdemeanor, failing, bad press or ill founded decision is jumped upon by media and those who simply dislike authoritarian posts.

The service makes many mistakes, but through challenging it evolves.

It faces many difficult scenarios and decisions that by their very nature will leave people disgruntled.

When dealing with people, everything is subjective, so an assumption that a police officer lies is based on the fact that maybe they saw things differently to another.

Please don't infer I'm a liar and a c#nt without knowing me, its not a pleasant thing to do. "

Sorry officer...

I did say not all are, but some are. I know it's not a perfect world but the police do seem to be slow on the uptake when it comes to dealing with the bad apples within their own ranks. It only takes a small percentage to tarnish the rest, especially when they are not dealt with effectively. I don't want to start naming specific cases because we'll get the 'your not dragging that up again are you' comments. I know enough criminals to know how hard it is to prove a case in a court of law and the onus is on the proof of guilt. When a misdemeanor, failing or ill founded decision results in innocent people being injured, imprisoned or even killed then it should be jumped upon in the case of certain occupations. It just seems that the police protect their own, rather than rooting out the wrong doers, thus enabling them to continue to abuse their position of power.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The sooner every baby is micro chipped the sooner we will be safe.

How do You work that one out? Safe how? Because they can be tracked, have their biometric details downloaded?

RFIDs will be the next step. And a lot of you willingly be tagged. "

I honestly think his comment was said in Jest, with the backlash generated when the government brings up the compulsory ID card idea do you really think we would allow ourselves to be chipped..

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I've read the first and last posts. It looks like this thread has travelled a fair bit.

Anyhoo, Bindmans sent a letter to the Home Office demanding the return of the items seized and challenging the legality of Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000.

With Matthew Ryder as the Barrister for this case pointing out that if you are NOT a terror suspect you can't access any of the protections that you can for BEING a terror suspect.

It'll be interesting to watch how this plays out over the weekend.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There's a lot of powers involved and yes some may have been used on a bit of a fishing trip which causes problems. ( Fabio cited stop & search which I daresay unfortunately he has been subject to due to racial profiling ).

I heard on the radio that they believe he may have been carrying material which if leaked would be a security risk.

To get the thread back on track....are we in a police state ? I doubt many members have been subject to oppressive, intrusive behaviour by police today.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Cousteau. A point re Fabio(nice fella by the way)maybe a suspected/wanted crimnal's profile was of a young black man. Would you expect the police to stop white males just to keep figures even? Oh and Fabio I was taken to a private room at Zurich airport and searched.Did I mind? No. Why would I?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Believed" "may be" Then the cop will have no problem proving the profe of this believe to pavement then will they.

Why was he held for the max time when by the cops own words 99% are held for one hours not the full 9 hours.

A few year back I was pulled over for been in a yellow box. This told the cop I was not. He said I was and they have it on film. I point back to the junction and nice side they just resurfaced the road there is no yellow box for me to be in. Oh you also have the van on film them turning right, there it is clearly singed no right turn as he stop in the road I was left in the box that is not there. I do think under the law the box has to he clearly visible to be enforceable. He then ask to see my licence and insurance. look at all the tyres light even the wash wipes and wiper blades. as it is company car I did not have insurance cover not with me and would not let me till he had call the insurance company to see if I was covered to drive the car. full now he did not say a thing about the yellow box or the van turning right. after I had point the facts out to him. it is was very clearly he was trying to find something to do on.

As I used to work in the pubs I was used to this tactic they do not like when you smell of booz but green light a breath test late at night. from what I have seen they are all like this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cousteau. A point re Fabio(nice fella by the way)maybe a suspected/wanted crimnal's profile was of a young black man. Would you expect the police to stop white males just to keep figures even? Oh and Fabio I was taken to a private room at Zurich airport and searched.Did I mind? No. Why would I? "

No I wouldn't, I'm not sure I understand the point you're making either ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"UK police have been following the road to corruption and politicisation for many years now.

It started with 'New' Labour who saw them as a bastion of traditionalism.

Of course, the career aspirants among the police lapped it up and will parrot anything if it will wn them promotion.

The country is the worst for it."
very true.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Cousteau. You said Fabio may have been stopped due to racial profiling. That is surely when the profile of a miscreant is a young black man. What's wrong in stopping black males only when that's the case?

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Kennyuk2 With respect if you spoke English the way you write it he may not have understood you correctly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Kennyuk2 With respect if you spoke English the way you write it he may not have understood you correctly."

So your saying it is okay to treat non British people that way then? Because he cannot understand them!

That is racist, which is against the law.

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

"Kennyuk2 With respect if you spoke English the way you write it he may not have understood you correctly.

So your saying it is okay to treat non British people that way then? Because he cannot understand them!

That is racist, which is against the law.

I doubt that was what he was saying!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You may have been searched in Zurich airport, once. Would you feel the same way if you were searched every time you went through Zurich airport? Nobody minds being stopped for a quick search occasionally, but when it becomes almost a frequent occurrence then it may seem as if you are being singled out for 'special attention'

So back to to subject the authorities have stopped, searched detained for 9 hours and seized personal property of someone who is a known associate of an American whistle-blower. Using anti terrorism laws. Does one search and detention equal harassment? Are they using they laws to send a message via a known associate. Would this case have been denounced so publicly if he hadn't been a journalist?

Just over 25000 people have been detained using the anti terror laws, less than 50 of these people have been charged under the anti terror laws.

It is a weird one, damned if they do and he is innocent, damned if they don't and he isn't so innocent.

Many years ago downloaded the terrorist cookbook, doing so is now illegal. Information is now illegal. It used to be acting on that information was illegal. I have an inquisitive mind, I would never have attempted to build any of the devices as I like my fingers, most people have the ingredients to build a device in the kitchens and garden sheds it isn't difficult and it was something I was aware of before I got banned from the chemistry lab as a schoolchild...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"UK police have been following the road to corruption and politicisation for many years now.

It started with 'New' Labour who saw them as a bastion of traditionalism.

Of course, the career aspirants among the police lapped it up and will parrot anything if it will wn them promotion.

The country is the worst for it.very true.

Started with New Labour?

Maggie didn't use them as a paramilitary force against the Miners then...

Paid them triple time to do it to, A school friend's dad was there and loved the overtime payments, this was the same policeman that supplied his son with a printout of the criminal record of another pupils father for sexually abusing his daughter...

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Cousteau. is _abio stopped every day? I doubt it. As I have only been to Zurich airport I have actually stopped every time. What it bother me 100 yimes out of 100? Not really. never smuggle or do anything illegal for them to nick me.Might moan if I missed my last fag but that's it.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

ps. Yes some information should be illegal.How to make kiddie porn.How to cook crystal meth.Would you make this freely available then? And why any sane person would download the terrorists' cookbook is, quite, frankly beyond me.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Abi.If you can prove the copper passed that info on you can go to The Guardian.Your Mp etc. I trust this has been done.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just over 25000 people have been detained using the anti terror laws, less than 50 of these people have been charged under the anti terror laws.

It is a weird one, damned if they do and he is innocent, damned if they don't and he isn't so innocent.

You can still get the 'jolly rogers cookbook' online if you know where to look

I had it on 3 floppy discs years ago. Not that it's much use since it's mainly American.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"ps. Yes some information should be illegal.How to make kiddie porn.How to cook crystal meth.Would you make this freely available then? And why any sane person would download the terrorists' cookbook is, quite, frankly beyond me."

Never been a teenager before? Never wanted to make your own little M-80 like Americans use?

And, "I'm not insane, my mother had me tested"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cousteau. is _abio stopped every day? I doubt it. As I have only been to Zurich airport I have actually stopped every time. What it bother me 100 yimes out of 100? Not really. never smuggle or do anything illegal for them to nick me.Might moan if I missed my last fag but that's it. "

Its a complex issue my friend. I used Fabio as an example as he cited being stopped.(hope you don't mind Fabio)

Stop & search is a useful power for combatting and preventing crime. Tact 2000 is also useful.

I'm offering a balanced opinion that we use those powers where appropriate in a justified,llegitimate, proportionate manner.

I use those powers, but as has been discussed, I don't wish to utilise them to achieve political aims or to assist another's promotion cv.

Its a complex subject, and so many people will feel differently about it depending on personal experiences.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Abi.If you can prove the copper passed that info on you can go to The Guardian.Your Mp etc. I trust this has been done."

It was about 27 years ago... The lad had the printout of the record and showed it around, so there is no evidence.

All the information is out there on the internet if you so desire it. Acting on the information as in making crystal meth should be illegal but you cannot undo knowledge, it is known how to make it and always will be.

As to your reference to child pornography, if someone chooses to make that sort of recording I'd have hardly thought they would need instruction for it. As to why I would download the cookbook as I said before inquisitive mind. I heard about it and wanted to see it. Knowing something and doing something are two completely different things and you can't un-invent something.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Abi.If you can prove the copper passed that info on you can go to The Guardian.Your Mp etc. I trust this has been done.

It was about 27 years ago... The lad had the printout of the record and showed it around, so there is no evidence.

This

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

overreact much @ the OP

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All this fuss over being locked up for 9 hours.

It's happened to most of us during our holiday abroad,

Only they call it Time Share Presentions

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All this fuss over being locked up for 9 hours.

It's happened to most of us during our holiday abroad,

Only they call it Time Share Presentions"

phew light relief on this thread at last. I was held by them too. This is a time share state.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All this fuss over being locked up for 9 hours.

It's happened to most of us during our holiday abroad,

Only they call it Time Share Presentions

phew light relief on this thread at last. I was held by them too. This is a time share state."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Fabio was just an example I imagine.. Now I'm not privy to the statistics in this country, but i recently read that in the States the police have a 'stop and frisk' power which sounds similar.. Evidence shows that a black or latino man is much more likely to stopped by the police and searched for drugs..than a white man by a very large degree.

Is that fair? Is the profile of a drug pusher or user black or latino?

The prison population - in particular those committing non-violent drug offences - indicates this is true, as black and latino men are massively over represented.

However, the Centre for Disease Control's own research suggests that in fact white men are just as likely to be carrying drugs as black men (and in some age groups more so), but are far less likely to be stopped and searched..and thus caught. Also only a small percentage of all those black or latino men who have been stopped are actually charged.

It appears you're virtually expected to be guilty of that particular crime if you fit a particular profile, despite evidence to the contrary.

Of course, hyperbole is being used by those proclaiming we live in a police state...I think it's a case that some people are simply a little suspicious when the state within which they reside watches its citizens so very closely, for fear of there being a tipping point. I think a little sensible, collective vigilance is wise, particularly as the state is accountable to the citizens it is watching over.

Perhaps I'm too cynical, but I don't expect each successive leadership to be benevolent and have noble intentions...so checks and balances are necessary...especially when it concerns groups of people who so much authority over us and so much of our trust in them...as any abuse of this authority or breaking of this trust can be so very damaging to the very foundations of the system we hold onto so dearly.

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By *lueAlMan over a year ago

Snaresbrook - South Woodford

The terrorist only has to be lucky once to achieve his aims, the police have to be lucky in everything they do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are we approaching a Police State and secret authoritarian rule? Nothing to fear?

Ever asked yourselves what it is the US/UK authorities are so concerned about, re Assange/Manning/Snowden etc and associates Greenwald/Miranda?

Consider a few events :

All at once, all relevant European countries close their airspace to a Bolivian Presidential jet.

Lavabit, a long established, succesful US e-mail provider forced to shut down under US pressure.

Groklaw, a highly regarded US news/law blog ceases publishing rather rapidly.

The Guardian newspaper visited by UK spooks who summararily demand computer equipment be destroyed and do so.

What is also frightening is this, isn't the Keith Vaz MP who is doing some of the squawking about the legal process, the same Keith Vaz MP who, IIRC, was a Cabinet minister in the very Government who created the abused law?

You may rightly say, oh well, they havent yet raided me and my friends contacts, my porn stash whatever, but they're certainly starting (continuing?) with key players. In most cases decent honest citizens, ok paid journalists maybe, but people who just want to have things open and honest.

Isn't that the thin end of the wedge to a police state?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Fabio was just an example I imagine.. Now I'm not privy to the statistics in this country, but i recently read that in the States the police have a 'stop and frisk' power which sounds similar.. Evidence shows that a black or latino man is much more likely to stopped by the police and searched for drugs..than a white man by a very large degree.

Is that fair? Is the profile of a drug pusher or user black or latino?

The prison population - in particular those committing non-violent drug offences - indicates this is true, as black and latino men are massively over represented.

It appears you're virtually expected to be guilty of that particular crime if you fit a particular profile, despite evidence to the contrary.

you can't really use the states as an example since they seem to pick and choose what they enforce.

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Isn't that the thin end of the wedge to a police state?"

I've visited a police state. The UK is not even close.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Isn't that the thin end of the wedge to a police state?

I've visited a police state. The UK is not even close."

I've already said we are not a police state, we are however the most watched nation in terms of cctv coverage. It doesn't seem to reduce crime either.

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Isn't that the thin end of the wedge to a police state?

I've visited a police state. The UK is not even close.

I've already said we are not a police state, we are however the most watched nation in terms of cctv coverage. It doesn't seem to reduce crime either."

It makes good TV programmes though

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *drianukMan over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

Authoritarian regimes always promise security over freedom and it is alluring to the weak-minded.

But if you accept it you soon find you have neither.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Isn't that the thin end of the wedge to a police state?

I've visited a police state. The UK is not even close.

I've already said we are not a police state, we are however the most watched nation in terms of cctv coverage. It doesn't seem to reduce crime either."

My town has lots of cameras. It's a double edged sword. Sometimes you Just wanna get your ass out in the fountain but you can't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

you can't really use the states as an example since they seem to pick and choose what they enforce."

It was just an example though designed to illustrate unfairness and injustice by an institution that is expected to defend people from such acts and also to highlight how it (in this instance at least) mirrors closely what happens here. We in the UK similarly and disproportionately profile minorities for offences related to drugs, when there isn't necessarily the evidence that they are more likely to commit such offences. I.e. there is no special reason to pick on a black man and search him for drugs (9-37 times, depending on the research you read) more often than a white man.

Anyway...the MAIN thrust of the argument is that we ought to be sensibly vigilant because the abuses of power that various states (including our own) have historically committed, teach us to be... There are certain alarming events of global proportions that involve our own government...of that there is no denying (some have been mentioned a few posts up).

To simply dismiss those people that show educated concerns is naive. As is the expectation that a government will always naturally be benevolent as if only such people are ever drawn to such positions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

you can't really use the states as an example since they seem to pick and choose what they enforce.

Yeah but some people just won't listen and dismiss said ideas straight out

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

you can't really use the states as an example since they seem to pick and choose what they enforce.

Yeah but some people just won't listen and dismiss said ideas straight out "

Kinda like when someone dismisses an example of unfair racial profiling by the state because the example refers to the US, even though it was mentioned that the UK appears to have adopted a similar policy when exercising stop and search here?

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By *un_JuiceCouple over a year ago

Nr Chester

"Authoritarian regimes always promise security over freedom and it is alluring to the weak-minded.

But if you accept it you soon find you have neither."

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

CCTV deosn't stop crime? hahaha. Ask any foorball hooligan why they don't fight in the grounds now? Forget seating,forget segregation as the main obstacles to a mass scrap,ask any real footy hooligan and it's the cameras that can cover and record every single part of the ground. Don't believe me? Read any football hooligan (by those actually there) book.

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By *horstrollMan over a year ago

Caprona

"CCTV deosn't stop crime? hahaha. Ask any foorball hooligan why they don't fight in the grounds now? Forget seating,forget segregation as the main obstacles to a mass scrap,ask any real footy hooligan and it's the cameras that can cover and record every single part of the ground. Don't believe me? Read any football hooligan (by those actually there) book."

More the intel gathered, shared then acted apon. Little wonder. hoodies and scarves are de riguer for those who wish to casue strife. Retina scans are not always accurate.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

goverments bent as fuck they abuse power always will!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think you just did.

no he did not try reading the new from time to time. I would post a link to them but i think you cannot post links on FAB"

Was it in the Sunday sport, do not believe everything you read in the newspapers or the internet

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"Read the hooly lit" Thorstoll. Written by those who did it.Over 700 looters arrested in Bham(over 90% convicted) after using cctv evidence in the murder riots 2 years ago.CCTV helps to prevent and detect crime dependent on circumstances.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

""Read the hooly lit" Thorstoll. Written by those who did it.Over 700 looters arrested in Bham(over 90% convicted) after using cctv evidence in the murder riots 2 years ago.CCTV helps to prevent and detect crime dependent on circumstances. "

CCTV prevents, deters and helps investigate crime , I feel safer in an area of camera coverage than one where there is none.

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

CCTV can be useful in proving innocence also.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"CCTV can be useful in proving innocence also."

True, I think some people are far to sensitive regarding CCTV, it's not there to spy on people who have nothing to hide, it's a genuine way to help deter and solve crime. Most recent serious crimes have been solved with the help of CCTV.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Police, CCTV, and Customs, they can please themselves how often they stop me.

I don't give a dam I have nothing to hide

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

CCTV prevents, deters and helps investigate crime , I feel safer in an area of camera coverage than one where there is none. "

Ultimately, that's the point...and that's why CCTV is here to stay. So long as people 'feel' safer and certain instances of crime have been shown to have been tackled with the aid of CCTV (thereby proving its has been useful at times), they will not need or wish to analyse the actual overall efficacy of such surveillance methods, even if independent or state commissioned studies into the effectiveness of cameras to deter and/or reduce crime indicate otherwise.

Similarly, racial profiling will continue and ethnic minorities will be stopped at a higher rate despite no evidence to suggest that they're more likely to have drugs in their possession.

It'll be interesting to see how well the continued privatisation of prisons does...

Ultimately it remains to be seen how benevolent our government remains as its power over its citizens slowly increase...or are despotic regimes a thing of the past in the post modern developed world we inhabit...

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By *obbygggMan over a year ago

Birmingham

I don't agree with privatisation of prisons.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

quotes 'im doing nothing wrong,so whats the problem of surveillance' is totally missing the point

you wouldnt like someone peering into your house every night,or reading all your mail.

but they do,emails,facebook,twitter,forums are watched

doing what you do on here is not wrong or illegal but i can bet you dont broadcast it.

the same people saying the above,wonder how many dont have their name or face pics in the profile.so maybe you do like privacy after all.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Police, CCTV, and Customs, they can please themselves how often they stop me.

I don't give a dam I have nothing to hide

The trouble is, if you don't question certain things, your civil liberties become more eroded over time and one day you realise you're on the other side of the line and you're completely non-plussed as to how it happened (but you can ponder it from your cell, you'll have plenty of time)

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"quotes 'im doing nothing wrong,so whats the problem of surveillance' is totally missing the point

you wouldnt like someone peering into your house every night,or reading all your mail.

..................."

Well, the trouble is you MIGHT.

If, for example, you were getting poison pen letters or jiffy bags containing white powder through the post, you might be very glad someone was peering into your house on a regular basis or reading your mail.

Everyone objects to the 'authorities' seemingly overstepping the mark in some matters yet reserves the right to descend upon them from the top of the rigging when they appear not to be doing enough to correct whatever's bothering folk at any given time.

Alan Rushbridger, usually an articulate guy, was left coughing and spluttering when trying to explain why David Miranda should have had what amounts to Diplomatic Immunity whilst passing through Heathrow, simply because he's a journalist's boyfriend.

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By *layfullsamMan over a year ago

Solihull

"seems threat on our freedom is at a greater risk from the police and government than it is terrorists.

disgusting abuse of power in the name of anti terrorism in the news.

the uk is definitely a puppet to the americans. "

I think it might be good for you to spend some time living in a real police state and then return and see if you still think the same

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"...........

the uk is definitely a puppet to the americans.

.............

They've never really allowed us to forget that, without their help, we'd have lost WWII.

BTW. They never will.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"...........

the uk is definitely a puppet to the americans.

.............

They've never really allowed us to forget that, without their help, we'd have lost WWII.

BTW. They never will."

Didn't they do all the work hence winning? No? well they seem to act that way.

But people forget Russia. Without them it'd have been a different story

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You tell me where in any profession there are no bad apples and that includes government, the clergy and every part of the public and private sector!!!,

Also you tell me where any other body rigorously deals wit complaints no matter how false of petty.

Also tell me of any other profession where bad apples are taken to task and sacked or as diverse and understanding as the UK police. The police no longer look after their own and I can assure you that. Professional standards departments that investigate police use covert surveillance and technology and their methods are not far short of MI5 in catching bad apples. Unfortunately the police are recruited and reflect society and that's where the problem stems from. I have an extensive knowledge and experience of the police and the majority are normal decent people!!!!

Its just that a huge section of society don't like their thieving , drug fuelled , chav, antisocial , benefit driven lifestyles interfered with that's why they hate the police!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You tell me where in any profession there are no bad apples and that includes government, the clergy and every part of the public and private sector!!!,

Also you tell me where any other body rigorously deals wit complaints no matter how false of petty.

Its just that a huge section of society don't like their thieving , drug fuelled , chav, antisocial , benefit driven lifestyles interfered with that's why they hate the police!!!!!!

and what would all the revolutionary types replace it with anyway ? Their own police force !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Police, CCTV, and Customs, they can please themselves how often they stop me.

I don't give a dam I have nothing to hide

is that other side the dark side

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"...........

the uk is definitely a puppet to the americans. .............

They've never really allowed us to forget that, without their help, we'd have lost WWII.

BTW. They never will.

Didn't they do all the work hence winning? No? well they seem to act that way.

But people forget Russia. Without them it'd have been a different story"

Nobody forgets Russia.

It's arguable that without XXXXXXXX (fill in whatever suits you) the Allies might have lost the war.

Without the Yanks, there's no doubt we'd have lost.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You tell me where in any profession there are no bad apples and that includes government, the clergy and every part of the public and private sector!!!,

Also you tell me where any other body rigorously deals wit complaints no matter how false of petty.

Its just that a huge section of society don't like their thieving , drug fuelled , chav, antisocial , benefit driven lifestyles interfered with that's why they hate the police!!!!!!

Perhaps they need to tighten up the selection process?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"...........

the uk is definitely a puppet to the americans.

.............

They've never really allowed us to forget that, without their help, we'd have lost WWII.

BTW. They never will.

Didn't they do all the work hence winning? No? well they seem to act that way.

But people forget Russia. Without them it'd have been a different story"

A big SHOUT out too to the Polish who did the bulk of the work obtaining and cracking the Enigma machines without which it would have been more difficult to defeat the Germans.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Any society gets the policing it deserves. Where do you think they recruit from?

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"Its just that a huge section of society don't like their thieving , drug fuelled , chav, antisocial , benefit driven lifestyles interfered with that's why they hate the police!!!!!!

This!.....

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I think Cameron should have gone with his own hammer to the Guardian to destroy the computer. He could vent his frustration, whilst continuing with the free press line and then spend some time in the cooler for criminal damage. If the police refused to let him out we'd know for certain whether we live in a police state or not.

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