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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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Lots of news reports yesterday and today on the rising cost of raising a child. It is now put at £148k to the age of 18.
That's over £8k a year.
We might have to send them back t'mill or up the chimney again. |
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"Lots of news reports yesterday and today on the rising cost of raising a child. It is now put at £148k to the age of 18.
That's over £8k a year.
We might have to send them back t'mill or up the chimney again."
I do wonder where they get these figures from lol x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It would include
Food
Increase in heating lighting and electric
increased cost of holidays
clothing
childcare
It would also be an average, so some parts of country a lot cheaper and some a lot more expensive. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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There is a report by the Child Poverty Action Group, commissioned by Joseph Rowntree Foundation on the figures.
Nursery places in London could easily make the figures more than £8k a year. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"They are adorable money pits 
Hopefully they'll put me in a decent nursing home!"
I'm spending a small fortune on the three boys today with dinner and the theatre this evening. Not counting all of the things bought to keep them fed and amused before we even go out.
I think the biggest cost is shoes. They seem to need a new set every couple of months. I don't know how my sister keeps up with their growth spurts. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"They are adorable money pits
Hopefully they'll put me in a decent nursing home!
lol
or at least phone once in a while  "
Phone?! It'll be a text (or whatever replaces that) and you'll be grateful. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They are adorable money pits
Hopefully they'll put me in a decent nursing home!
lol
or at least phone once in a while
Phone?! It'll be a text (or whatever replaces that) and you'll be grateful."
Good point. Maybe they'll friend you on "social media" and you can find out what they do |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"The £8k is an average taken from the total over 18 years but it won't be a straight line.
Some years will be much more expensive than others."
Early childhood with all the kit that goes with babies is particularly expensive. |
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"They are adorable money pits
Hopefully they'll put me in a decent nursing home!
I'm spending a small fortune on the three boys today with dinner and the theatre this evening. Not counting all of the things bought to keep them fed and amused before we even go out.
I think the biggest cost is shoes. They seem to need a new set every couple of months. I don't know how my sister keeps up with their growth spurts."
one of mine has had a foot growth again and is now a size 12  ,will need new trainers and shoes and just bought all the uniforms its never ending |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"I can believe it although it does sound very high ive 3 the mind boggles where they get 8k per child from. "
You probably make savings by having some of the standard 'kit' in place. Once you have a crib and baby bath you don't need another for the next baby, and so on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I can believe it although it does sound very high ive 3 the mind boggles where they get 8k per child from.
You probably make savings by having some of the standard 'kit' in place. Once you have a crib and baby bath you don't need another for the next baby, and so on."
ive twins lol had to have 2 of everything...and i got rid as never thought i would have another and 8 years later i had my hobbit so had to start again.
but yeah the initial outlay for prams and cribs n such is a couple of k easy |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"They are adorable money pits
Hopefully they'll put me in a decent nursing home!
I'm spending a small fortune on the three boys today with dinner and the theatre this evening. Not counting all of the things bought to keep them fed and amused before we even go out.
I think the biggest cost is shoes. They seem to need a new set every couple of months. I don't know how my sister keeps up with their growth spurts.
one of mine has had a foot growth again and is now a size 12 ,will need new trainers and shoes and just bought all the uniforms its never ending "
The family all came back this weekend and because I hadn't seen the boys for three weeks I could see immediately how much they had grown. The 12 year old was surprised that his school blazer now fits perfectly. That means he'll probably need a new one by Christmas at £50.
One of the 8 year olds is almost as tall me now and is in the same shoe size. |
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"They are adorable money pits
Hopefully they'll put me in a decent nursing home!
I'm spending a small fortune on the three boys today with dinner and the theatre this evening. Not counting all of the things bought to keep them fed and amused before we even go out.
I think the biggest cost is shoes. They seem to need a new set every couple of months. I don't know how my sister keeps up with their growth spurts.
one of mine has had a foot growth again and is now a size 12 ,will need new trainers and shoes and just bought all the uniforms its never ending
The family all came back this weekend and because I hadn't seen the boys for three weeks I could see immediately how much they had grown. The 12 year old was surprised that his school blazer now fits perfectly. That means he'll probably need a new one by Christmas at £50.
One of the 8 year olds is almost as tall me now and is in the same shoe size."
blazers are a rip off and they hate wearing them..my sisters boy is really short which is a shame as he could have made use of their old ones |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"The £8k is an average taken from the total over 18 years but it won't be a straight line.
Some years will be much more expensive than others.
Early childhood with all the kit that goes with babies is particularly expensive."
Need it be so expensive? £700 - £800 for a pram? |
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Schools don't help with their wanting to look 'more corporate' with their uniforms. Those were the actual words used a couple of years back when Ruby's daughters secondary became an academy. 'Corporate' wear costs a load more than standard school wear and parents can do without the added cost right now.
Since her daughter left in May, Ruby now has several items bought at the insistence of the school as the children 'had to have it' which are still in their wrappers. So... Ebay here we come...
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"The £8k is an average taken from the total over 18 years but it won't be a straight line.
Some years will be much more expensive than others.
Early childhood with all the kit that goes with babies is particularly expensive.
Need it be so expensive? £700 - £800 for a pram?"
No that's the easy bit...gets much worse!!!
We were stupid enough to spend more on the pram for our youngest - £450, only to sell it after 5 months, no where near as good as cheaper ones! |
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"Lots of news reports yesterday and today on the rising cost of raising a child. It is now put at £148k to the age of 18.
That's over £8k a year.
We might have to send them back t'mill or up the chimney again."
I only earn about that each year 
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And believe me it doesn't stop at 18..lol
lol I was just about to say that"
I think it could be about right, theres 3 of us in our house so if you split everything 3 ways ie: food,water,electric and so on it would soon add up. |
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"Lots of news reports yesterday and today on the rising cost of raising a child. It is now put at £148k to the age of 18.
That's over £8k a year.
We might have to send them back t'mill or up the chimney again."
Sigh...if it was just to 18 though. Mine are still at home 21 and 25. |
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"Lots of news reports yesterday and today on the rising cost of raising a child. It is now put at £148k to the age of 18.
That's over £8k a year.
We might have to send them back t'mill or up the chimney again."
I was about to dispute the figures Lickety, when I realised that £8k per year is 666 per month ......
666 ...... i'm not disputing the mark of the child. |
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"Although there's no way my lad costs me £8k a year at the moment. I expect that rises once school uniforms, trips etc come into play but £8k????"
The nursey my daughter works in charges £18,000 per annum, per child. |
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"There is a report by the Child Poverty Action Group, commissioned by Joseph Rowntree Foundation on the figures.
Nursery places in London could easily make the figures more than £8k a year."
By a very big margin! |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Lots of news reports yesterday and today on the rising cost of raising a child. It is now put at £148k to the age of 18.
That's over £8k a year.
We might have to send them back t'mill or up the chimney again.
I was about to dispute the figures Lickety, when I realised that £8k per year is 666 per month ......
666 ...... i'm not disputing the mark of the child."
The devil in disguise. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"There is a report by the Child Poverty Action Group, commissioned by Joseph Rowntree Foundation on the figures.
Nursery places in London could easily make the figures more than £8k a year.
By a very big margin!"
It's so good that the government will give £1,200 towards that, isn't it?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The £8k is an average taken from the total over 18 years but it won't be a straight line.
Some years will be much more expensive than others.
Early childhood with all the kit that goes with babies is particularly expensive.
Need it be so expensive? £700 - £800 for a pram?"
I've never spent anywhere near that. Spent 350quid on first and used it for the next too as well... School uniforms cost me the most but even having four at home I can't get anywhere near that for expenditure just on them... Just as well really.
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"Glad I got any. Much nicer to spend the money on the better things in life! "
I have all the money I'll ever need, I can buy and go anywhere I want. I spent yesterday with my ex-husband and children celebrating our eldest first wedding anniversary.
I've had some awesome life experiences and I'm not a gushing type of woman but I can tell you, hand on heart, "I love you mummy" from your child without "can you lend?" tagged on the end is the best feeling in the world for me.  |
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Making mine earn their keep today!! And my niece while she's here!
Having a big clear out as this is the last full day of the ill have with them before they go to school.....and it can't come to soon!! |
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"Lots of news reports yesterday and today on the rising cost of raising a child. It is now put at £148k to the age of 18.
That's over £8k a year.
We might have to send them back t'mill or up the chimney again.
I was about to dispute the figures Lickety, when I realised that £8k per year is 666 per month ......
666 ...... i'm not disputing the mark of the child."
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"Glad I got any. Much nicer to spend the money on the better things in life!
Worth every single penny, the most rewarding, heartbreaking, joyous, single experience in life."
What sounds like the Ferrari I could buy with that sort of money! |
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"Glad I got any. Much nicer to spend the money on the better things in life!
Worth every single penny, the most rewarding, heartbreaking, joyous, single experience in life.
What sounds like the Ferrari I could buy with that sort of money! "
How fast does your Ferrari go? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The £8k is an average taken from the total over 18 years but it won't be a straight line.
Some years will be much more expensive than others.
Early childhood with all the kit that goes with babies is particularly expensive.
Need it be so expensive? £700 - £800 for a pram?
No that's the easy bit...gets much worse!!!
We were stupid enough to spend more on the pram for our youngest - £450, only to sell it after 5 months, no where near as good as cheaper ones! "
I couldnt afford the best when i had the boys and had my heart set on a pram that cost £600 with my hobbit and was in a better position so bought it...only parted with it last year for my niece and she is loving it so well worth the money.
although i did end up buying a cheaper bugger as it was easier to fit in the car  |
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"Glad I got any. Much nicer to spend the money on the better things in life!
Spending money on people you love is one of the better things in life.
Doesn't have to be kids though."
Nope but they're generally the one group of people you can love unconditionally.
If you don't have kids, it's difficult to understand the bond most people have to them.
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"they get more expensive when they grow up, one reason why we only had one."
Lol some of us dont get that choice straight off...ah we maon about it but i work hard and i know they will leave me skint for plenty more years to come but i will be proud of what they became and already am |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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I couldnt afford the best when i had the boys and had my heart set on a pram that cost £600 with my hobbit and was in a better position so bought it...only parted with it last year for my niece and she is loving it so well worth the money.
although i did end up buying a cheaper bugger as it was easier to fit in the car "
I have no issue with folks buying prams which will be passed down from one child to cousins, nephews/ nieces etc but so many new mums seem to insist on brand new and £stupid.
My pram had previously been my cousin's and after me it was the cousin's wee sister.
It went through a number of kids and the bottom half ended up under a bogey. |
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My son is coming up to two shortly and he is starting a montessori school next month. Even at three half days it still adds up and is only going to get more expense I see if the charges for next year. Proud to pay to be honest, as a good education and love is the best gift I can give him. Yes, I can understand how even with just one the bills can mount up. |
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"My son is coming up to two shortly and he is starting a montessori school next month. Even at three half days it still adds up and is only going to get more expense I see if the charges for next year. Proud to pay to be honest, as a good education and love is the best gift I can give him. Yes, I can understand how even with just one the bills can mount up."
Sorry-'expensive, I see in the charges for next year'-poor grammar! |
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Kids only cost as much as you want. When my son was born everything we needed except the pram came from friends. People want the biggest and best of everything so its up to them how much they spend |
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Quite simply ridiculous,utter bollox, for many reasons.
2m children are said to live in poverty ( households with less than 60% of average income.)
The admittedly expensive cost of nurseries is nothing at all to do with raising a child, it is actually a cost of a parent earning income. The raising of the child has been subcontracted, not unlike say paying a a gardener.
Do kids really need the latest highest priced pram, and other fripperies? Nah.
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I do wonder how much of that is cost we have anyway. And how much is you have to have new and the best of everything. I did not nor did my older sister, we both came out happy and ok for the most part. But hay you cannot put a prise on love between kids and parents.
PS I not of got an iphone till i had saved up for it, well that what my mom tells me. but mommmyyyyy |
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Quite simply ridiculous,utter bollox, for many reasons.
2m children are said to live in poverty ( households with less than 60% of average income.)
The admittedly expensive cost of nurseries is nothing at all to do with raising a child, it is actually a cost of a parent earning income. The raising of the child has been subcontracted, not unlike say paying a a gardener.
Do kids really need the latest highest priced pram, and other fripperies? Nah.
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A bit
Confused as to what's bollox?
The figure quoted is the average which means that quite a lot (possibly 60%) will spend less and quite a lot will spend more. The mean figure might be lower (or possibly higher). However, costs of raising children are spiralling upwards and that was the point of this particular survey not the figure published. |
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Quite simply ridiculous,utter bollox, for many reasons.
2m children are said to live in poverty ( households with less than 60% of average income.)
The admittedly expensive cost of nurseries is nothing at all to do with raising a child, it is actually a cost of a parent earning income. The raising of the child has been subcontracted, not unlike say paying a a gardener.
Do kids really need the latest highest priced pram, and other fripperies? Nah.
A bit
Confused as to what's bollox?
The figure quoted is the average which means that quite a lot (possibly 60%) will spend less and quite a lot will spend more. The mean figure might be lower (or possibly higher). However, costs of raising children are spiralling upwards and that was the point of this particular survey not the figure published."
The OP states that raising a child ( ie one child ) not the average or mean child, nor a marginal child, is £8K per annum. Utter bollox.
The cost of raising a child is not at all, spiralling upwards. What may be going upwards is what parents are prepared to spend on a certain child.
Is State Education not free?
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Quite simply ridiculous,utter bollox, for many reasons.
2m children are said to live in poverty ( households with less than 60% of average income.)
The admittedly expensive cost of nurseries is nothing at all to do with raising a child, it is actually a cost of a parent earning income. The raising of the child has been subcontracted, not unlike say paying a a gardener.
Do kids really need the latest highest priced pram, and other fripperies? Nah.
A bit
Confused as to what's bollox?
The figure quoted is the average which means that quite a lot (possibly 60%) will spend less and quite a lot will spend more. The mean figure might be lower (or possibly higher). However, costs of raising children are spiralling upwards and that was the point of this particular survey not the figure published.
The OP states that raising a child ( ie one child ) not the average or mean child, nor a marginal child, is £8K per annum. Utter bollox.
The cost of raising a child is not at all, spiralling upwards. What may be going upwards is what parents are prepared to spend on a certain child.
Is State Education not free?
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It comes from a survey and the £8k is an average. State education is free, except uniforms aren't. Costs of food, housing etc are spiralling. This figure is based on research and although I'm sure you believe what you say, it's not based on any evidence.
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"Lots of news reports yesterday and today on the rising cost of raising a child. It is now put at £148k to the age of 18.
That's over £8k a year.
We might have to send them back t'mill or up the chimney again."
so what happens after they reach 18 do we just give up on them, or does the job fairy put a job offer under their pillow |
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Quite simply ridiculous,utter bollox, for many reasons.
2m children are said to live in poverty ( households with less than 60% of average income.)
The admittedly expensive cost of nurseries is nothing at all to do with raising a child, it is actually a cost of a parent earning income. The raising of the child has been subcontracted, not unlike say paying a a gardener.
Do kids really need the latest highest priced pram, and other fripperies? Nah.
A bit
Confused as to what's bollox?
The figure quoted is the average which means that quite a lot (possibly 60%) will spend less and quite a lot will spend more. The mean figure might be lower (or possibly higher). However, costs of raising children are spiralling upwards and that was the point of this particular survey not the figure published.
The OP states that raising a child ( ie one child ) not the average or mean child, nor a marginal child, is £8K per annum. Utter bollox.
The cost of raising a child is not at all, spiralling upwards. What may be going upwards is what parents are prepared to spend on a certain child.
Is State Education not free?
It comes from a survey and the £8k is an average. State education is free, except uniforms aren't. Costs of food, housing etc are spiralling. This figure is based on research and although I'm sure you believe what you say, it's not based on any evidence.
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Not based on any evidence? What, like the evidence, some given above, that a large number of parents don't have sufficient income to pay out £8k per child? If that's not evidence, are they untruthful, non existent?
If the average is £8k, then quite simply the cost of raising a child is far far less. Anything above this is merely the parents preferential choice.
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"Glad I got any. Much nicer to spend the money on the better things in life!
Worth every single penny, the most rewarding, heartbreaking, joyous, single experience in life.
What sounds like the Ferrari I could buy with that sort of money!
How fast does your Ferrari go?"
Sadly, I don't have a Ferrari as I cant afford one!
Gladly, I dont have kids, as I dont like them.
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Quite simply ridiculous,utter bollox, for many reasons.
2m children are said to live in poverty ( households with less than 60% of average income.)
The admittedly expensive cost of nurseries is nothing at all to do with raising a child, it is actually a cost of a parent earning income. The raising of the child has been subcontracted, not unlike say paying a a gardener.
Do kids really need the latest highest priced pram, and other fripperies? Nah.
A bit
Confused as to what's bollox?
The figure quoted is the average which means that quite a lot (possibly 60%) will spend less and quite a lot will spend more. The mean figure might be lower (or possibly higher). However, costs of raising children are spiralling upwards and that was the point of this particular survey not the figure published.
The OP states that raising a child ( ie one child ) not the average or mean child, nor a marginal child, is £8K per annum. Utter bollox.
The cost of raising a child is not at all, spiralling upwards. What may be going upwards is what parents are prepared to spend on a certain child.
Is State Education not free?
It comes from a survey and the £8k is an average. State education is free, except uniforms aren't. Costs of food, housing etc are spiralling. This figure is based on research and although I'm sure you believe what you say, it's not based on any evidence.
Not based on any evidence? What, like the evidence, some given above, that a large number of parents don't have sufficient income to pay out £8k per child? If that's not evidence, are they untruthful, non existent?
If the average is £8k, then quite simply the cost of raising a child is far far less. Anything above this is merely the parents preferential choice.
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Actually no, then cost is probably higher as many children live in poverty. The figure given is an average, which means that yes it costs some more but that's potentially down to venues (London weighting) it's a bit like saying if the average salary is £23k then anyone over is earning too much. Which also means that many ate not earning enough.
Without the mean and standard deviations then your _iew is a personal opinion and not based on factual evidence. You're assuming everyone spending over £8k is spending it on luxury items. |
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"Most folks don't spend any where near £8k per year. The very rich few have distorted the figures beyond all belief. You can't beat looking at averages "
Most people don't spend £8k on bringing up children as the poor have distorted the figures.
An average is just that an average.
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"Most folks don't spend any where near £8k per year. The very rich few have distorted the figures beyond all belief. You can't beat looking at averages
Most people don't spend £8k on bringing up children as the poor have distorted the figures.
An average is just that an average.
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lol, i think you will find it's not the poor who have distorted the average.
Some evidence for you : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23726224
Basic cost £81,772 or £90,980. Still excessive.
Can anyone explain why the basic cost is so much more for a single parent than a two parent family?
Do you have to pay someone to mash the potatoes whilst you make the gravy?
You daren't say no to a kid so you send out for Pizza and Chips instead and have to tip the delivery person?
Genuinely mystified. |
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"Most folks don't spend any where near £8k per year. The very rich few have distorted the figures beyond all belief. You can't beat looking at averages
Most people don't spend £8k on bringing up children as the poor have distorted the figures.
An average is just that an average.
lol, i think you will find it's not the poor who have distorted the average.
Some evidence for you : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23726224
Basic cost £81,772 or £90,980. Still excessive.
Can anyone explain why the basic cost is so much more for a single parent than a two parent family?
Do you have to pay someone to mash the potatoes whilst you make the gravy?
You daren't say no to a kid so you send out for Pizza and Chips instead and have to tip the delivery person?
Genuinely mystified. "
It's to do with the principles of economies of scale. They'd include housing so one single parent would be paying for two people and dividing cost by two, two parents with one child don't increase costs by a 1/3 but you divide by 1/3. So if rent is £650 a month for two that's not the same per capita if it's for three. Same with food, electricity gas etc |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Most folks don't spend any where near £8k per year. The very rich few have distorted the figures beyond all belief. You can't beat looking at averages
Most people don't spend £8k on bringing up children as the poor have distorted the figures.
An average is just that an average.
lol, i think you will find it's not the poor who have distorted the average.
Some evidence for you : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23726224
Basic cost £81,772 or £90,980. Still excessive.
Can anyone explain why the basic cost is so much more for a single parent than a two parent family?
Do you have to pay someone to mash the potatoes whilst you make the gravy?
You daren't say no to a kid so you send out for Pizza and Chips instead and have to tip the delivery person?
Genuinely mystified.
It's to do with the principles of economies of scale. They'd include housing so one single parent would be paying for two people and dividing cost by two, two parents with one child don't increase costs by a 1/3 but you divide by 1/3. So if rent is £650 a month for two that's not the same per capita if it's for three. Same with food, electricity gas etc"
lol. Shouldn't economies of scale reduce the costs significantly? Your logic on housing shows how utterly ridiculous the "costs" are. |
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"Most folks don't spend any where near £8k per year. The very rich few have distorted the figures beyond all belief. You can't beat looking at averages
Most people don't spend £8k on bringing up children as the poor have distorted the figures.
An average is just that an average.
lol, i think you will find it's not the poor who have distorted the average.
Some evidence for you : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23726224
Basic cost £81,772 or £90,980. Still excessive.
Can anyone explain why the basic cost is so much more for a single parent than a two parent family?
Do you have to pay someone to mash the potatoes whilst you make the gravy?
You daren't say no to a kid so you send out for Pizza and Chips instead and have to tip the delivery person?
Genuinely mystified.
It's to do with the principles of economies of scale. They'd include housing so one single parent would be paying for two people and dividing cost by two, two parents with one child don't increase costs by a 1/3 but you divide by 1/3. So if rent is £650 a month for two that's not the same per capita if it's for three. Same with food, electricity gas etc
lol. Shouldn't economies of scale reduce the costs significantly? Your logic on housing shows how utterly ridiculous the "costs" are. "
No economies of scale reduce unit cost not overall cost. Thats why its more ecpensive for a single parent. if thete were 12 of them the unit cost would be even lower, the overall cost would be much higher. As for my "logic on housing" what the does that mean? If there are two kids then you'd have a minimum of a two bedroom house/flat in some areas that'll be £300 PCM and others it'll be £1800 per week. If you were single then you don't need two bedrooms. Therefore the increase in rent/mortgage may well be included. It's a complex formula to work out cost of bringing up a child. Not just adding and subtracting. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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lol, i think you will find it's not the poor who have distorted the average.
Some evidence for you : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23726224
Basic cost £81,772 or £90,980. Still excessive.
Can anyone explain why the basic cost is so much more for a single parent than a two parent family?
............
Genuinely mystified. "
It may be that costs are calculated net of various tax reliefs and those will be less for a single parent whilst the costs remain much the same. |
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By *livia_KWoman
over a year ago
South London |
"Blimey my brain hurts and I didn't even read all the posts.
Just another reason to add to the list of why I want to remain childless!
I hope it's a veeeeeeeeeeeeery long list."
Very short list actually. |
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