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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"but hasn't the 'baby boom' already happened..?
Obviously yes but I'm talking about the future!
when is the next one due then..?"
Sorry but are you deliberately trying to be sarcastic? |
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"but hasn't the 'baby boom' already happened..?
Obviously yes but I'm talking about the future!
when is the next one due then..?"
I think you have a valid point...it's not the child fault they are born so why penalise the child...people will continue to have children....this is the UK not china where they leave babies abandoned or worse they kill them because they are only allowed one child... |
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"but hasn't the 'baby boom' already happened..?
Obviously yes but I'm talking about the future!
when is the next one due then..?
Sorry but are you deliberately trying to be sarcastic?"
only in as much as you are deliberately posting an ill thought out proposal..
btw don't be sorry.. |
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"If child benefit is limited to two children then I think people will certainly think twice about having more children!"
What about people who are not on benefits?
Will they be told how many children to have ? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"but hasn't the 'baby boom' already happened..?
Obviously yes but I'm talking about the future!
when is the next one due then..?
I think you have a valid point...it's not the child fault they are born so why penalise the child...people will continue to have children....this is the UK not china where they leave babies abandoned or worse they kill them because they are only allowed one child... "
There is a big difference, its against the law in China to have more than one child, its not here! I just think a cap on child benefit will make people think twice about having more children than they can afford |
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"but hasn't the 'baby boom' already happened..?
Obviously yes but I'm talking about the future!
when is the next one due then..?
I think you have a valid point...it's not the child fault they are born so why penalise the child...people will continue to have children....this is the UK not china where they leave babies abandoned or worse they kill them because they are only allowed one child...
There is a big difference, its against the law in China to have more than one child, its not here! I just think a cap on child benefit will make people think twice about having more children than they can afford "
I think you are spot on. It's not as if people are having children they can't afford now, is it ? |
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"but hasn't the 'baby boom' already happened..?
Obviously yes but I'm talking about the future!
when is the next one due then..?
I think you have a valid point...it's not the child fault they are born so why penalise the child...people will continue to have children....this is the UK not china where they leave babies abandoned or worse they kill them because they are only allowed one child...
There is a big difference, its against the law in China to have more than one child, its not here! I just think a cap on child benefit will make people think twice about having more children than they can afford "
and if they can more than afford to..? |
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"but hasn't the 'baby boom' already happened..?
Obviously yes but I'm talking about the future!
when is the next one due then..?
I think you have a valid point...it's not the child fault they are born so why penalise the child...people will continue to have children....this is the UK not china where they leave babies abandoned or worse they kill them because they are only allowed one child...
There is a big difference, its against the law in China to have more than one child, its not here! I just think a cap on child benefit will make people think twice about having more children than they can afford "
It is no different as you are proposing that the cut off will be 2 what will happen to the 3rd child in the family go into care or abandoned because the family can't afford to keep it.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"If child benefit is limited to two children then I think people will certainly think twice about having more children!
What about people who are not on benefits?
Will they be told how many children to have ?"
Who mentioned anything about telling people how many children they can have? People are welcome to have as many kids as they like, however, a limit on child benefit will make a huge difference to the "money pot" and then can be put to use for educating those children, cutting university fees, the NHS etc. I am also not suggesting that it only applies to people on benefits, it should be limited to those in work and out |
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"Children in China are left to die because they are girls.....
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yes..
and terminated during pregnancy by families who don't want a girl..
China is not the type of country we should look at for many things, especially not this issue.. |
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"Children in China are left to die because they are girls.....
yes..
and terminated during pregnancy by families who don't want a girl..
China is not the type of country we should look at for many things, especially not this issue.."
I was using it as an example of what not to follow  |
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"Children in China are left to die because they are girls.....
yes..
and terminated during pregnancy by families who don't want a girl..
China is not the type of country we should look at for many things, especially not this issue..
I was using it as an example of what not to follow "
oops, missed that..
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"Children in China are left to die because they are girls.....
yes..
and terminated during pregnancy by families who don't want a girl..
China is not the type of country we should look at for many things, especially not this issue..
I was using it as an example of what not to follow
oops, missed that..
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I stated this is the UK not china where child are abandoned or worse killed.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"but hasn't the 'baby boom' already happened..?
Obviously yes but I'm talking about the future!
when is the next one due then..?
Sorry but are you deliberately trying to be sarcastic?
only in as much as you are deliberately posting an ill thought out proposal..
btw don't be sorry.."
Why is it ill thought? |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"but hasn't the 'baby boom' already happened..?
Obviously yes but I'm talking about the future!
when is the next one due then..?"
When the next wave of immigrants arrive. The adult population in this country has expanded exponentially through immigration in the last decade, the vast majority of which are the right age to want to start families. This in turn has meant that we are having a 'baby boom'. |
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"Me having my children had fuck all to do with child benefit!
Me neither! But if CB was limited to 2 kids I certainly wouldn't be angry about it"
some families have depended on it to 'help out' ..
my own when we were kids is an example when it was family allowance..
which of the kids should my parents have not had if that were the case you are proposing..?
teacher, mental health manager, fire officer, business owner, retail manager..?
btw all have offspring in employment and contributing..
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"but hasn't the 'baby boom' already happened..?
Obviously yes but I'm talking about the future!
when is the next one due then..?
When the next wave of immigrants arrive. The adult population in this country has expanded exponentially through immigration in the last decade, the vast majority of which are the right age to want to start families. This in turn has meant that we are having a 'baby boom'."
other EU countries would love our 'baby boom'..
Germany will have to up their immigration numbers to keep their economy going.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Me having my children had fuck all to do with child benefit!
Me neither! But if CB was limited to 2 kids I certainly wouldn't be angry about it
some families have depended on it to 'help out' ..
my own when we were kids is an example when it was family allowance..
which of the kids should my parents have not had if that were the case you are proposing..?
teacher, mental health manager, fire officer, business owner, retail manager..?
btw all have offspring in employment and contributing..
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Retail manager obviously |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If child benefit is limited to two children then I think people will certainly think twice about having more children!
What about people who are not on benefits?
Will they be told how many children to have ?
Who mentioned anything about telling people how many children they can have? People are welcome to have as many kids as they like, however, a limit on child benefit will make a huge difference to the "money pot" and then can be put to use for educating those children, cutting university fees, the NHS etc. I am also not suggesting that it only applies to people on benefits, it should be limited to those in work and out "
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By *az1312Woman
over a year ago
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How do you explain that to the extra children?
Would you say that the first two got child benefit because they are recognised but the others do not get it because the government believes that they should not even be here? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Me having my children had fuck all to do with child benefit!
Me neither! But if CB was limited to 2 kids I certainly wouldn't be angry about it
some families have depended on it to 'help out' ..
my own when we were kids is an example when it was family allowance..
which of the kids should my parents have not had if that were the case you are proposing..?
teacher, mental health manager, fire officer, business owner, retail manager..?
btw all have offspring in employment and contributing..
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But that's my point, people shouldn't rely on CB to help out! And once again, I have never said anywhere that people should be limited to how many kids they have, have as many as you want but the fact is this country cannot afford it and therefore my personal view is that CB should be limited to two children only |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The concept of taking money meant for child benefit and applying it to education or the NHs is flawed. Money taken from one "pot" is rarely applied to another. What it will do is increase child poverty and increase educational problems not reduce them. Childhood poverty is already a big issue in the UK. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"How do you explain that to the extra children?
Would you say that the first two got child benefit because they are recognised but the others do not get it because the government believes that they should not even be here?"
My child has no idea about CB, why would he and why do you have to explain it to them? Its not pocket money that goes to a named child |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"It's not just immigrants that have large families its across the board "
I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that if you increase the population rapidly with people of 'child rearing' age, then it is only logical that the number of births will also increase rapidly. These are the highest birth figures since 1972. The level of immigration into the UK last peaked in the late 60s, then tailed off until the mid-2000's. It's not rocket science to see the correlation. It's simple maths, and logic. |
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By *az1312Woman
over a year ago
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"How do you explain that to the extra children?
Would you say that the first two got child benefit because they are recognised but the others do not get it because the government believes that they should not even be here?
My child has no idea about CB, why would he and why do you have to explain it to them? Its not pocket money that goes to a named child"
Maybe some people rely on that money to buy things like school uniforms,shoes,books for school,school meals,educational trips etc...
And just maybe some parents might discuss things like family budgets with their children. |
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I just read an article about a family with 7 kids want a bigger council house . If you can't afford to house and pay for your kids you shouldn't have them simple. Child benifit or what ever its called should be scrapped. The money saved should be used to bring basic rate tax down. That way its all fair if you want kids then go for it if not then good for you. |
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"but that's my point, people shouldn't rely on CB to help out! And once again, I have never said anywhere that people should be limited to how many kids they have, have as many as you want but the fact is this country cannot afford it and therefore my personal view is that CB should be limited to two children only "
but in reality some folk do, even when one is working all hours and the other is doing a part time job as well..
perhaps means testing may be an idea, certainly a lot of other benefits could also have that applied too.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Why do you think we have a Baby Boom?
Could it be the recession?
Or, as Pulp put it....
"...You'll never watch your life slide out of view,
and then dance and drink and screw'
because there's nothing else to do.."
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"I just read an article about a family with 7 kids want a bigger council house . If you can't afford to house and pay for your kids you shouldn't have them simple. Child benifit or what ever its called should be scrapped. The money saved should be used to bring basic rate tax down. That way its all fair if you want kids then go for it if not then good for you. "
and what if circumstances change after you have a large family..?
its happened in this current downturn certainly to folks who may in the past have been slightly shielded from unemployment.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Rather than cap it at two kids - why not just do the sensible thing and means test it?
There's plenty of parents out there on a large enough income to survive without it - just as there are plenty of pensioners who don't need a bus pass.
A 'one size fits all' policy in relation to any benefit will never work effectively, or in fact fairly!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The concept of taking money meant for child benefit and applying it to education or the NHs is flawed. Money taken from one "pot" is rarely applied to another. What it will do is increase child poverty and increase educational problems not reduce them. Childhood poverty is already a big issue in the UK. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This may sound controversial to some but its no big shock but some sections of society for examples catholics and muslims do not believe in contraception so an increase will obviously follow as time goes on.
Religious beliefs are fine but practicalities should surely come into it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Id rather focus my efforts on combating the top level corruption that impacts on how much money is available in the metaphorical pot; tax evasion, back room deals etc have a far bigger impact on our public services than a tiny percentage surviving on benefits. The way the blame for the economic crisis has been blamed on the most vulnerable appalls me. The bedroom tax is a wonderful example of this  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Means test it which way?
a) You are rich enough to afford another child so carry on!
b) You are poor enough to have a child and qualify for benefits on it, so carry on!
c) You dont qualify for further state help so please don't have any more children (and here's a free voucher good for one Vasectomy?)
Seriously, how would you manage C? -either as people going to the ECHR because you are denying them their 'human right' - or option C is merely an advisory and if you keep on having kids after we have told you it wouldn't be in your best interests we're not paying and you become a Western country with an even larger undernourished population below the breadline and children in poverty.
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"If child benefit is limited to two children then I think people will certainly think twice about having more children!
What about people who are not on benefits?
Will they be told how many children to have ?
Who mentioned anything about telling people how many children they can have? People are welcome to have as many kids as they like, however, a limit on child benefit will make a huge difference to the "money pot" and then can be put to use for educating those children, cutting university fees, the NHS etc. I am also not suggesting that it only applies to people on benefits, it should be limited to those in work and out "
I did.
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By (user no longer on site)
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There is some sense to limiting child benefit to two children - but only from the perspective of the government pot. I don't think it would have any impact on how many kids people choose to have - and neither do I believe that if it were capped the third child would end up in care! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Means test it which way?
a) You are rich enough to afford another child so carry on!
b) You are poor enough to have a child and qualify for benefits on it, so carry on!
c) You dont qualify for further state help so please don't have any more children (and here's a free voucher good for one Vasectomy?)
Seriously, how would you manage C? -either as people going to the ECHR because you are denying them their 'human right' - or option C is merely an advisory and if you keep on having kids after we have told you it wouldn't be in your best interests we're not paying and you become a Western country with an even larger undernourished population below the breadline and children in poverty.
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Sorry prof - simply meant that those earning over a set threshold wouldn't receive child benefit, free bus passes or the winter fuel allowance!!
I can imagine those on a six figure salary would miss their child benefit regardless of how many sprogs they pop out!
Nor can I imagine those on hefty pensions sit shivering in the winter til the extra fuel payment comes in!
I'll be doing my bit of course - continuing to avoid at all costs any little 'Obi's' - and in a few years I'll snuggle up with an ageing perve (or several!) to keep warm! |
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