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Zero-hours contracts 'more widespread than thought'

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By *hyllyphylly OP   Man  over a year ago

Bradford

On here someone posted that there was 250,000 ZH contracts. Now, according to the BBC, it's more than a million.....

More than a million UK workers are on zero-hours contracts with no guarantees of shifts or work patterns - four times official estimates, research suggests.

A survey of 1,000 employers by the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development indicated 3-4% of the whole workforce were on such contracts.

Some 14% of affected staff could not earn a basic standard of living.

A review of the contracts by Business Secretary Vince Cable is already under way, amid union calls to ban them.

Despite controversy over their use, just 16% of those affected said their employer often fails to provide them with sufficient hours each week.

This was higher amongst those who described themselves as part-time, where 38% said they would like to work more hours.

Under zero-hours contracts employees agree to be available for work as and when it is required.

Figures from the Office for National Statistics last week suggested 250,000 workers were on zero-hours contracts.

The news emerged as it was reported that part-time staff at retailer Sports Direct and a number of London councils were among those employed on such terms.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23570345

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Even more widespread in charities than in the private and public sectors I am ashamed to say.

Driven by current funding mechanisms.

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


"Even more widespread in charities than in the private and public sectors I am ashamed to say.

Driven by current funding mechanisms."

........... or too many similar charities chasing the same £.

Stick 'cancer charities uk' into Google and see how many returns you get.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It is the way forward, no employer can risk making a commitment to an employee in the current economic climate, jobs for life are a thing of the past.

I get paid for when I am actually working and producing a profit, I used to work 50 hours a week to maintain my life style, now I have to work 80 hours a week, that's my choice, I could reduce my expenditure, but am happy with my choices, being single I can

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Even more widespread in charities than in the private and public sectors I am ashamed to say.

Driven by current funding mechanisms.

........... or too many similar charities chasing the same £.

Stick 'cancer charities uk' into Google and see how many returns you get."

They are not all the same though. Most charities operate at a really small level, with no staff and under £50k a year. The big ones, and they are huge, take the limelight but often need to work with some of these small locals in order to deliver the services.

It's about 170,000 registered charities in the UK. Some won't be operating at all and are waiting to be taken off the register. It includes things like a local playgroup through to the Royal Opera House. Just picking on the numbers is like saying there are too many petrol stations in the country. It's meaningless.

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"It is the way forward, no employer can risk making a commitment to an employee in the current economic climate, jobs for life are a thing of the past.

I get paid for when I am actually working and producing a profit, I used to work 50 hours a week to maintain my life style, now I have to work 80 hours a week, that's my choice, I could reduce my expenditure, but am happy with my choices, being single I can "

It's not so easy if you don't work for yourself and you have bills to pay and children to feed not knowing if you will have any hours at all in a week. This is where a lot of in-work benefit payments can come in. So, we the collective tax payer, are paying for business to operate in this way.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Massive problem with this if you are say on jobseekers sllowance and then job comes up thats zero hours which in effect gives no guarantee of income then you are scrwwec because you cannot claim as deemed to have a job where in reality you do not.

Zero hours may suit some folk but majority will be in trouble as we all have bills to pay.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

we the voters have chosen the conservatives, either by voting for them, or not voting at all, remember, what you sow you reap!

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


"........ Just picking on the numbers is like saying there are too many petrol stations in the country. It's meaningless.

"

That's why I chose something quite specific (like cancer charities uk).

I appreciate they're all different shapes and sizes but they all do pretty much the same thing.

I also appreciate that some folks wouldn't be involved if they couldn't have their late auntie or brother's name in the charity title but we really have to think wider than that.

It isn't, or shouldn't be, to glorify the gone, it should be to support those who remain.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Nothing to do with the Tories. These contracts were around in the NHS in 2008.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Well I love my zero hour contract!

As with any contract yoyu need to read what's written before agreeing!

Mine is a perfectly good contract

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


"Nothing to do with the Tories. These contracts were around in the NHS in 2008."

6 years ago zero hours contracts were for those it suited*.

Now they're a punishment.

* they're still OK for those they suit.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'd expect charities to run quite a few zero-hours contracts because they have to get by so frugally. Everything is down to lifestyle and this type of contract isn't for everyone.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Massive problem with this if you are say on jobseekers sllowance and then job comes up thats zero hours which in effect gives no guarantee of income then you are scrwwec because you cannot claim as deemed to have a job where in reality you do not.

Zero hours may suit some folk but majority will be in trouble as we all have bills to pay."

Well I have never worked less than the amount of hours I wanted. Infact I often work more hours and there are more available if I wanted!

Research the company and business before you work

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By *opping_candyWoman  over a year ago

West Yorkshire


"On here someone posted that there was 250,000 ZH contracts. Now, according to the BBC, it's more than a million.....

More than a million UK workers are on zero-hours contracts with no guarantees of shifts or work patterns - four times official estimates, research suggests.

A survey of 1,000 employers by the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development indicated 3-4% of the whole workforce were on such contracts.

Some 14% of affected staff could not earn a basic standard of living.

A review of the contracts by Business Secretary Vince Cable is already under way, amid union calls to ban them.

Despite controversy over their use, just 16% of those affected said their employer often fails to provide them with sufficient hours each week.

This was higher amongst those who described themselves as part-time, where 38% said they would like to work more hours.

Under zero-hours contracts employees agree to be available for work as and when it is required.

Figures from the Office for National Statistics last week suggested 250,000 workers were on zero-hours contracts.

The news emerged as it was reported that part-time staff at retailer Sports Direct and a number of London councils were among those employed on such terms.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23570345"

Just curious but if the jobcentre have tasked you with finding a full time job and you were offered a zero hours contract would you be required to take it?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"On here someone posted that there was 250,000 ZH contracts. Now, according to the BBC, it's more than a million.....

More than a million UK workers are on zero-hours contracts with no guarantees of shifts or work patterns - four times official estimates, research suggests.

A survey of 1,000 employers by the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development indicated 3-4% of the whole workforce were on such contracts.

Some 14% of affected staff could not earn a basic standard of living.

A review of the contracts by Business Secretary Vince Cable is already under way, amid union calls to ban them.

Despite controversy over their use, just 16% of those affected said their employer often fails to provide them with sufficient hours each week.

This was higher amongst those who described themselves as part-time, where 38% said they would like to work more hours.

Under zero-hours contracts employees agree to be available for work as and when it is required.

Figures from the Office for National Statistics last week suggested 250,000 workers were on zero-hours contracts.

The news emerged as it was reported that part-time staff at retailer Sports Direct and a number of London councils were among those employed on such terms.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23570345

Just curious but if the jobcentre have tasked you with finding a full time job and you were offered a zero hours contract would you be required to take it?"

Not if it was the first offer, but if you kept refusing zero hour contracts they'll sanction you for "not actively seeking employment".

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Im sitting on the fence here. One question is, what do you replace them with. If an employer has to "guarantee" hours then what is likely to happen is, Employers will employ fewer people giving them more hours but only part time.

People in the leisure/ service sector may find themselves doing more split shifts. As they will only be needed during peak times.

A zero hours contract is no good for somebody who needs full time employment. But maybe suitable for a part time student.

The powers that be need to think long and hard !

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

This is the problem with Pseudo-capitalism. If your business cannot survive by providing acceptable working conditions to employees without state support, you have no business. If the only reason people work for you is that they know the state will top them up when you can't give them hours, you are at the mercy of the state.

Businesses who's profits are solely dependent on exploiting these zero-hour contracts etc are in for a rude awakening. The race to the bottom is over.

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"........ Just picking on the numbers is like saying there are too many petrol stations in the country. It's meaningless.

That's why I chose something quite specific (like cancer charities uk).

I appreciate they're all different shapes and sizes but they all do pretty much the same thing.

I also appreciate that some folks wouldn't be involved if they couldn't have their late auntie or brother's name in the charity title but we really have to think wider than that.

It isn't, or shouldn't be, to glorify the gone, it should be to support those who remain."

There are so many types of cancers. I do think the specific hospital ward charities shouldn't be allowed to register but that is an entirely different debate about the NHS and parts of it having charitable status.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I remember when Zero Hours Contracts were called casual work. Nobody seemed to mind then.

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Im sitting on the fence here. One question is, what do you replace them with. If an employer has to "guarantee" hours then what is likely to happen is, Employers will employ fewer people giving them more hours but only part time.

People in the leisure/ service sector may find themselves doing more split shifts. As they will only be needed during peak times.

A zero hours contract is no good for somebody who needs full time employment. But maybe suitable for a part time student.

The powers that be need to think long and hard !

"

One lawyer has already said that they would just be replaced with a guarantee of 1 minute as it would be almost impossible to legislate for employers to take on people for a statutory defined number of hours.

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By *inkyScot22Man  over a year ago

Anniesland


"I remember when Zero Hours Contracts were called casual work. Nobody seemed to mind then."

When mortgages were 100% and credit was thrown at everyone?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"On here someone posted that there was 250,000 ZH contracts. Now, according to the BBC, it's more than a million.....

More than a million UK workers are on zero-hours contracts with no guarantees of shifts or work patterns - four times official estimates, research suggests.

A survey of 1,000 employers by the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development indicated 3-4% of the whole workforce were on such contracts.

Some 14% of affected staff could not earn a basic standard of living.

A review of the contracts by Business Secretary Vince Cable is already under way, amid union calls to ban them.

Despite controversy over their use, just 16% of those affected said their employer often fails to provide them with sufficient hours each week.

This was higher amongst those who described themselves as part-time, where 38% said they would like to work more hours.

Under zero-hours contracts employees agree to be available for work as and when it is required.

Figures from the Office for National Statistics last week suggested 250,000 workers were on zero-hours contracts.

The news emerged as it was reported that part-time staff at retailer Sports Direct and a number of London councils were among those employed on such terms.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23570345

Just curious but if the jobcentre have tasked you with finding a full time job and you were offered a zero hours contract would you be required to take it?"

Refusal of any offer results in benefit being stopped, at least in my experience.

Some employers promise full time hours, but in the end, do not deliver!

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By *eareenaCouple  over a year ago

Rockford

I just read this in the paper. .. are they really so stupid as to not know this... im on zh contract... its all I could get in my area and I am lucky to get the hours I do...

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By *eavenNhellCouple  over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"This is the problem with Pseudo-capitalism. If your business cannot survive by providing acceptable working conditions to employees without state support, you have no business. If the only reason people work for you is that they know the state will top them up when you can't give them hours, you are at the mercy of the state"

isnt this a form of comunism ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Exactly except the state does does receive the proceeds, esa, jobseekers, credits etc facilitate the poor conditions which allows profits to go to the 'capitalists'

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Most shops now give hours out to staff depending on what sort of week the store had the week before.

If profits are down, everyone's hours get cut. The run up to Christmas everyone gets a great amount of hours then in January they're lucky if they get 8 hours in shifts spread over a week so allowing for bus fares it's hardly worth working at all.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"we the voters have chosen the conservatives, either by voting for them, or not voting at all, remember, what you sow you reap!"

Ahem.... and sorry to point this out, but..... 'we' DIDN'T choose the Conservatives. They didn't get enough seats for form a majority Government.

That's why we've had this thing called a 'Coalition' for the last three 'wonderful' years....

ted.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Capitalist and proud, but this is not capitalism.its a warped communism.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

They are very popular in airports, I know that much.

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