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"Compensation for the family, however much, will never be justice for his family.....a conviction would have been justice"
agreed..
the vast majority of Police do a very hard, dangerous job in difficult circumstances..
utmost respect for those that do..
but too many times no one is held accountable for when someone ends up dead due the actions of a rogue few..
that's not good for any society and doesn't assist the ones trying to do what they do.. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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The problem is the way they police demos. The fact that they removed their badge numbers suggested they had some orders to be more than a little robust in their methods such as kettling which they know can be dangerous. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The problem is the way they police demos. The fact that they removed their badge numbers suggested they had some orders to be more than a little robust in their methods such as kettling which they know can be dangerous. "
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By *un_JuiceCouple
over a year ago
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The Policy Enforcer in question has shown us all that they will stop at nothing to defend the banks and the large corporations. He swore on oath to protect and serve us the public. Ian Tomlinson committed no crime.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Simon Harwood is a cunt. He should never have been in the position to do what he did to Ian Thomlinson, after being investigated by the Met (for road rage!!) he 'resigned' and joined Surrey police force, jobs for the boys eh, before being allowed to return to the Met within 3 years...
Acquitted for manslaughter when everyone in the country could see he was clearly guilty of manslaughter.
As with the kettling and young girls getting beaten whilst being kettled (by a black officer, can't recall his name, who had removed his ID epaulets, against regulations)
I'm not saying all policemen are bad, I've met some that are okay, have worked for one who was very nice in his day to day life. They way they are protected from the law by the law is disgusting as they should be facing the full force of the law because they are in a position of trust.
If a normal citizen in the course of a crime breaks a position of trust then it is considered a reason for a heavier sentence, it would seem to be the complete opposite if you are a policeman.
Stephen Lawrence's family? Public money spent on a smear campaign against them??? WTF... They just close ranks and protect themselves from the law which they are supposed to be upholding.
I for one would trust the police much more if they dealt with the 'odd' wrongdoer within their ranks in the same manner as a normal person instead of protecting them and giving them an internal slap on the wrist.
ditto with fraudster MP's |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"When Tomlinson's son , Paul King, says 'it's not about the compensation' can we assume he won't be taking any money?"
So if your father was killed unlawfully by the police and the police officer involved was acquitted, it would be about the money would it??? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If one of us shoved someone over in the street and they died because then there would be little defence against a manslaughter charge."
Particularly if we had a history of violence and aggression. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Compensation for the family, however much, will never be justice for his family.....a conviction would have been justice
agreed..
the vast majority of Police do a very hard, dangerous job in difficult circumstances..
utmost respect for those that do..
but too many times no one is held accountable for when someone ends up dead due the actions of a rogue few..
that's not good for any society and doesn't assist the ones trying to do what they do.. "
I've been assaulted by an off duty officer who justified his behaviour by showing his warrant card. I realised very early on that persuing it was pointless...
There is a case at the moment of a young woman arrested in London and forcibly strip searched by 4 male officers who filmed her with very dubious grounds for suspicion and didn't even record that a search had taken place (sexual assault is the term I'd use), the IPCC investigation has taken 2 years, they are all still working, not even suspended never mind facing criminal charges and media interest has been minimal.
And the powers that be wonder why people feel that the police close ranks and protect each other? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I was assaulted by two police officers when I was a teenager, and was told its your word against ours, I try so hard to instill respect for the law and those who uphold it in my kids but if they see an officer push someone over who has his hands in his pockets all my hard work is undone. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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I went on a date with an old school friend a few years ago. He had joined the police and told me with delight that he had voted BNP - which was his right.
I told him with delight that my last husband was an Iraqi asylum seeker.
The conversation dried up after that!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I've been assaulted by an off duty officer who justified his behaviour by showing his warrant card. I realised very early on that persuing it was pointless...
There is a case at the moment of a young woman arrested in London and forcibly strip searched by 4 male officers who filmed her with very dubious grounds for suspicion and didn't even record that a search had taken place (sexual assault is the term I'd use), the IPCC investigation has taken 2 years, they are all still working, not even suspended never mind facing criminal charges and media interest has been minimal.
And the powers that be wonder why people feel that the police close ranks and protect each other?"
Some of them think they are a law unto themselves unfortunately, and seem to get away with it far to often.
There is a story on the bbc today of a policeman charged with rape. The officer involved had arrested the girl who was then released before he went to her (fathers) home.
He is said to be suffering from asperger syndrome, quote from story
'Asked about the victim's claims Mr Afolabi had "chatted" the woman up, clinical psychologist Dr Janine Robinson told the jury he would "struggle to realise when he was overstepping the mark".
"When he thinks he is building rapport," she said, "he is being too friendly, or overstepping the mark. He is being misunderstood."'
This man should not be a policeman anymore. If he can't realise when he is being too friendly or overstepping the mark, how can he in all honesty carry out his duties competently? Apart from coming in handy for a defence, I can see no benefit for a serving policeman to be suffering from this to be still employed in dealing with the public. |
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It's truly shocking and no amount will bring him back...The police are meant to be here to protect us to have out undivided trust but time after time that trust is broken....There are some fabulous police officers who do a wonderful service....however there are the few that think they are a law into themselves. I find it shocking that the police officer related in this case was able to serve with a different force....I hope he looks back now after pretty much his career and life is fucked and sees that he is no better then the criminals he was meant to be chasing.... |
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"When Tomlinson's son , Paul King, says 'it's not about the compensation' can we assume he won't be taking any money?"
I think the family would have rather have had a successful prosecution of the officer concerned, but they are perfectly entitled to any compensation for their loss.
Only a fool would deny them that right. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's truly shocking and no amount will bring him back...The police are meant to be here to protect us to have out undivided trust but time after time that trust is broken....There are some fabulous police officers who do a wonderful service....however there are the few that think they are a law into themselves. I find it shocking that the police officer related in this case was able to serve with a different force....I hope he looks back now after pretty much his career and life is fucked and sees that he is no better then the criminals he was meant to be chasing...."
It's a travesty of justice that he is not looking out of a cell window seeing that he is no better then the criminals he was meant to be chasing... |
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"It's truly shocking and no amount will bring him back...The police are meant to be here to protect us to have out undivided trust but time after time that trust is broken....There are some fabulous police officers who do a wonderful service....however there are the few that think they are a law into themselves. I find it shocking that the police officer related in this case was able to serve with a different force....I hope he looks back now after pretty much his career and life is fucked and sees that he is no better then the criminals he was meant to be chasing....
It's a travesty of justice that he is not looking out of a cell window seeing that he is no better then the criminals he was meant to be chasing..."
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You lot want simeone to go to prison for the rest of their life, fir pushing someone who had already been told to leave on 4 occasions, had been damaging the police van and refusing to follow police orders? I hope you lot do something as innocuous as 'push someone' and get a life sentence. You think tomlinson is innocent and you think everyone should know everyone else's medical conditions. Get your head out of your collective daily mail arses |
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"You lot want simeone to go to prison for the rest of their life, fir pushing someone who had already been told to leave on 4 occasions, had been damaging the police van and refusing to follow police orders? I hope you lot do something as innocuous as 'push someone' and get a life sentence. You think tomlinson is innocent and you think everyone should know everyone else's medical conditions. Get your head out of your collective daily mail arses"
Damaging the Police Van?
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"You lot want simeone to go to prison for the rest of their life, fir pushing someone who had already been told to leave on 4 occasions, had been damaging the police van and refusing to follow police orders? I hope you lot do something as innocuous as 'push someone' and get a life sentence. You think tomlinson is innocent and you think everyone should know everyone else's medical conditions. Get your head out of your collective daily mail arses"
Did you even follow the court case?, or read the findings of the court case?, did you not understand the fact that the police Detective Inspector lied to the pathologist by saying that Tomlinson's injuries were caused when he fell in front of a police van?
That the officer who struck Tomlinson lied to the investigating panel when he denied hitting him with the baton...and still denied it even though it was caught on video?
Or the fact that Tomlinson was simply on his way home from work and was finding it difficult to find his way home through the police lines?, or the fact that he was walking away from the police forward lines as instructed by a Police Chief Inspector...as seen on the video when he was intercepted and struck in the stomach before being pushed to the ground?
What part isn't straightforward?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Bout time, but compensation isn't enough. The police man should have been arrested, cahraged and slammed in jail for manslaughter!!!
No justice what so ever... Like money will make up for the loss of human life?? It's all BOLLOCKS!!  |
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"You lot want simeone to go to prison for the rest of their life, fir pushing someone who had already been told to leave on 4 occasions, had been damaging the police van and refusing to follow police orders? I hope you lot do something as innocuous as 'push someone' and get a life sentence. You think tomlinson is innocent and you think everyone should know everyone else's medical conditions. Get your head out of your collective daily mail arses"
I think you need to do some research on the case.....This case was poorly handled in the press. Many lies were told and in the end an innocent man lost his life. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Hello all,
what is telling to me when viewing the footage is that after Mr Tomlinson was knocked to the ground, none of the many officers around went to assist him in any way, that is surely condoning the act of the officer who pushed him to the ground?
Alec
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"Regardless of the circumstances surrounding Tomlinson's death, his son says it isn't about the money so will he be taking the compensation or is he just talking •••••?"
Of course their fight was never about money. Do you thinkmoney could replace one of your family? We don't even know how much the compensation is because it hasn't been disclosed. So what if he takes it wits been a long legal battle to get whwre they are now that wouldn't have come cheap.
I couldn't care less if they took it and pissed it up the wall to be honest. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Regardless of the circumstances surrounding Tomlinson's death, his son says it isn't about the money so will he be taking the compensation or is he just talking •••••?
Of course their fight was never about money. Do you thinkmoney could replace one of your family? We don't even know how much the compensation is because it hasn't been disclosed. So what if he takes it wits been a long legal battle to get whwre they are now that wouldn't have come cheap.
I couldn't care less if they took it and pissed it up the wall to be honest. "
I'm not overly bothered either way.
I just wonder if, after insisting it's not about the compensation, he'll take the money.
It's not about whether he, or his mother, are entitled to it, it's about saying one thing and doing another. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You lot want simeone to go to prison for the rest of their life, fir pushing someone who had already been told to leave on 4 occasions, had been damaging the police van and refusing to follow police orders? I hope you lot do something as innocuous as 'push someone' and get a life sentence. You think tomlinson is innocent and you think everyone should know everyone else's medical conditions. Get your head out of your collective daily mail arses"
No one has mentioned a life sentence, apart from you.
No one has said he should have been charged with murder and thus sentenced to life.
The MET have admitted he was unlawfully killed, IE manslaughter. He has previously resigned from the met whilst being investigated.
You sound like the daily mail reader, if anyone on this thread sounds like one, it's you. You also sound like you really haven't got a clue about what you are talking about, either that or you are a policeman. Simon Harwood is scum who should be in prison, and should never been in the position of trust he was in. Put yourself in the shoes of the family, if it was you Dad who had been pushed over and died, you'd be happy with the results would you? You might want to do a bit more reading up on it before you answer because you don't seem to have a clue as to what really happened.
Manslaughter usually means a sentence of 4-6 years although it can be life in some circumstances. |
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"Regardless of the circumstances surrounding Tomlinson's death, his son says it isn't about the money so will he be taking the compensation or is he just talking •••••?"
He can say what he wants and of course it isn't about the money. It was about getting justice for his fathers unlawful killing, something the Met has now admitted, and fired Harwood for. Something 99.9% of people in this country would have gone to prison for if they had committed the same offence...
And as I said yesterday, when you asked the same question, put yourself in their shoes, what would you want, justice or compo? I'd want justice above compensation. I'd take the compensation but it could hardly be seen as a F**kin lottery win could it...
Maybe they'll use some of it to pay off debt incurred in burying their father, years before they should have had to.
Maybe he'll put it in a trust fund for his children. Maybe he'll piss it up the wall. Maybe if there had been real justice we wouldn't be talking about compensation, instead of questioning the family about the morality of excepting compensation, maybe you should be questioning the justice system that allows someone who because he is a police officer (good or bad) to walk away scott free after unlawfully killing someone.
It's fairly obvious that the statement means that getting Justice for their father was much more important than receiving compensation, so it wasn't about the money. Doesn't mean he is not going to take it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"........, so it wasn't about the money. Doesn't mean he is not going to take it.
Thank you for that.
Saying one thing and doing another.
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We can all take things out of context...
Justice about not having his father not considered to be seen as someone ignoring police instructions and lawfully killed by an officer.
And for all I know at the other end of the country he may well donate it to a charity, so it hardly proves your point. Far from it.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Having not read the statement where the son quoted according to you that 'it is not about the money' I'm relying on your wording.
It is not about the money.
I do not want the money.
Can you see the difference in those statements?
The difference may be a little too subtle for you but there is a difference there. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"The idea that he somehow cares less for his father if he takes money is ludicrous. "
This has nothing to with caring or not.
BTW, I've been referring to King as Tomlinson's son - turns out it's his step-son. |
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"The idea that he somehow cares less for his father if he takes money is ludicrous.
This has nothing to with caring or not.
BTW, I've been referring to King as Tomlinson's son - turns out it's his step-son."
What has he being his step son got to do with anything..No its not his biological son but don't make him any less his son. |
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"The idea that he somehow cares less for his father if he takes money is ludicrous.
This has nothing to with caring or not.
BTW, I've been referring to King as Tomlinson's son - turns out it's his step-son."
I really can't get my head around what bothers you so much about it, are you now suggesting that being his step son makes him any less entitled to compensation?.....
Is the loss of a step father to an unlawful killing by a police officer any less if you are a stepson rather than a son?
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"The idea that he somehow cares less for his father if he takes money is ludicrous.
This has nothing to with caring or not.
BTW, I've been referring to King as Tomlinson's son - turns out it's his step-son.
I really can't get my head around what bothers you so much about it, are you now suggesting that being his step son makes him any less entitled to compensation?.....
Is the loss of a step father to an unlawful killing by a police officer any less if you are a stepson rather than a son?
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No. I just like accuracy, uncommon as that is nowadays. |
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"Hello all,
what is telling to me when viewing the footage is that after Mr Tomlinson was knocked to the ground, none of the many officers around went to assist him in any way, that is surely condoning the act of the officer who pushed him to the ground?
Alec
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I agree. Not only that but the assault was witnessed by a number of police officers. The public might have more confidence if at least one of them had the guts to arrest Simon Harwood on the spot. |
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"The idea that he somehow cares less for his father if he takes money is ludicrous.
This has nothing to with caring or not.
BTW, I've been referring to King as Tomlinson's son - turns out it's his step-son.
I really can't get my head around what bothers you so much about it, are you now suggesting that being his step son makes him any less entitled to compensation?.....
Is the loss of a step father to an unlawful killing by a police officer any less if you are a stepson rather than a son?
No. I just like accuracy, uncommon as that is nowadays."
I believe it was an accurate account stating that it was his son....Are you suggesting for an accurate portail of a family make up that people should introduce those children they have adopted as their adopted son or daughter. |
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