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Do you believe in psychic powers bestowed upon the gifted amongst us ?
I believe that such folk are charlatans using the reading of body language,probability and cold calling methods to hoodwink often vulnerable members of the public.
When we have lost a loved one we'd all love to be able to communicate with that cherised person again.
They have died and we must surely face scientific fact that this is no longer possible.
James Randi is an ex magician and psychic debunker who tours replicating the techniques that these so called "gifted" individuals use.
He set up the James Randi institute and has for many years been offering a million dollars.
To receive the money a claimant has to prove their psychic ability in an agreed test in laboratory conditions.
To this day not a soul has received the prize payout.
A great many amateurs have tried and failed.
The big leauge names don't come near the tests.
They are shrewd enough to realize that a failure will tarnish their image and reduce future income potential forever more |
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over a year ago
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I am a little undecided about this. Whilst I agree that these 'mediums' are fakes and are just very adept at reading body language and assumption, do they bring comfort to a someone who has lost a loved one and cannot accept the finality of death.
It is a money making con but people like all this after life, guardian angel type of stuff. Any message they give you, you can liken it to something that has happened in your life.
A friend had a party with a clairvoyant attending and we all had readings. She told me that I would be involved in a love triangle and I wouldn't know which way to turn. Now it's many years later that we've started swinging, maybe she saw our ' threesomes', or did she just pluck complete bollix out the sir to say to me.
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over a year ago
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In my opinion, psychic powers do not exist. They seem to take advantage of the so called Barnum effect, which in combination with someone who is very suggestible / gullible makes is seem all very dramatic and real. Worth watching some Derren Brown videos on this aspect...very interesting. |
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"I am a little undecided about this. Whilst I agree that these 'mediums' are fakes and are just very adept at reading body language and assumption, do they bring comfort to a someone who has lost a loved one and cannot accept the finality of death.
It is a money making con but people like all this after life, guardian angel type of stuff. Any message they give you, you can liken it to something that has happened in your life.
A friend had a party with a clairvoyant attending and we all had readings. She told me that I would be involved in a love triangle and I wouldn't know which way to turn. Now it's many years later that we've started swinging, maybe she saw our ' threesomes', or did she just pluck complete bollix out the sir to say to me.
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Does a false comfort hold any merit ?
If I'm your doctor and you come to me as a patient for tests returning a fortnight later for the results and I have terminal news.
Do you want me -
1)To inform you of the medical facts that you have a terminal disease ?
2)Provide you with comfort via dishonesty and proclaim the test results clear ?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Well everyone is different aren't they, some seem quite happy to hear that the relative is in peace etc, it does help with their grieving process. It is making money out of vulnerability.
Your example of the doctor scenario is unlikely as a doctor has a duty of care to the patient and has to be honest in diagnosis, prognosis and treatment. Most people would find comfort in being told their loved ones are peaceful and happy. Our brain copes with this information and is useful through the traumatic experience of someone dying.
Some clairvoyants encourage regular update meetings to pass on messages. This in my view is taking advantage of someone vulnerability.
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Why risk exposing yourself to ridicule and ruining a nice income by letting the general public know your just very good at reading body language, and fishing for information? Funny how none of these "psychics" or "clairvoyants" ever seem to give their gifts freely or actually make any real practical use of them. There biggest reason for still hawking there "talents" up and down the country is because people WANT to believe. That is one of their biggest weapons. One guy, can't remember who, was doing a show somewhere and started the usual questioning of the audience and started to hone in on a name. Someone took him up on it, and played him like a fish. When he asked the man if the person he was talking about had died recently, he told him " I hope not, he is sitting here next to me". He failed to control the audience from that point onward. |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"discount nothing,amongst the many charlatans,and fakers,there may be one,could be prize money is not their thing.  
With the tv shows,arena tours, books and dvds maybe it isn't worth their while income wise taking a day out to do the test in the U.S ?"
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By *adyA01Woman
over a year ago
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Whilst, I agree there are many charlatans out there, I also believe that are some people with an amazing gift!
I personally know one pf these people. The first time I met her, I took my then hubby to see her, he had lost his dad, and I thought it might help him, he was a bit of a skeptic!
She sat there in his reading with us both, and told us we had 3 children, 2 alive and 1 on the other side! Correct! She asked my hubby who mike was? Mike is his dad! She told him he had been a copper, again correct. She told him how he had died. She then also told him some real personal and not general stuff that only he and his dad knew about! She then bought through someone else. A guy we had both known through work who had hung himself, he had been fighting mental illness and wanted his family to know he was sorry!
She then started going on about horses, I am not a horsey person nor is my ex hubby so we didn't understand that reference. However a few years down the line that reference became clear to me, turned out my ex was secretly gambling on horses, he nearly lost us our house, I had to remortgage to pay all his debts! I wish I had known then what the reference was too!
I have had my own readings with her since last one was about a year ago! She amazes me everytime, she gives you names and specifics and does not generalise!!! I absolutely believe some people are genuinely gifted and she is one of them!! |
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I believe there are a lot of people that scam money on the back of peoples grief.
I once went to an evening of this type of stuff with some friends from work...it was in aid of a charity and a couple of them were really into this sort of thing.
I never believed a word of it until i got a message through...there was no way in this world the guy could have known what he told me...I was a bit upset as it was things i had not discussed with my work friends and to this day did not let on with them if it was true or not.
So my view changed slightly,some i believe have a gift of some sort and still think loads do it to scam money. |
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I believe that most are charlatans. My boss used to pay an absolute fortune to a psychic who used so many tricks and told her nothing that we hadn't told her already. She has slowed down but still spends money she hasn't got just to hear that everything will be okay. Taking money from the insecure - definitely! The woman should be strung up!
However, I also believe that some have, not necessarily a gift, but certainly some insight or openess that allows them to interact outwith our immediate time. My ex-husband is a very sympathetic, almost feminine person and has occasionally woken from a dream and told me all about it. With a couple of days something connected with the dream has happened. Co-incidence? Possibly, but I don't think so.
He can never tell when it's going to come and he never knows exactly what it will be so it would be impossible to recreate in a laboratory experiment.
One of life's unexplainable mysteries? I think so.
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By (user no longer on site)
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If someone who had passed on wanted to let us know they were ok or if they had a message .... I am very sure they wouldn't give the message to someone who charged a hefty fee to listen to it !!!!!
The universe is a wonderful place full of unexplained things - so I am sure that we are meant to know we will know , and without the use of people who use others for monetary gain |
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"If someone who had passed on wanted to let us know they were ok or if they had a message .... I am very sure they wouldn't give the message to someone who charged a hefty fee to listen to it !!!!!
The universe is a wonderful place full of unexplained things - so I am sure that we are meant to know we will know , and without the use of people who use others for monetary gain "
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A few years ago, I would have agreed with you. I took my mum to see Derek Acorah at the Liverpool Empire for a laugh - just believed that he was a showman and nothing more. In the second half of the performance, he said he was getting a message for someone in a turquoise top that knew a William and Elizabeth. Fair enough, that matched me but I didn't say anything as there was another woman sitting a couple of rows back that was waving her hand, saying - that's me!! He started talking to her and was coming out with the usual stuff then suddenly he said, 'it's not you, it's you' and pointed to me! I was shocked to say the least but still, in my mind, I was challenging him. The microphone came over and he was saying generic stuff that I was non-committal over. He then talked about things I knew nothing about, only for my mum to start nudging me when I was saying I didn't recognise certain things. He was talking about a big tommy and little tommy, related and were always seen together - It turns out this was the description of a cousin of my mum and his dad. He then talked to my mum and came out with memories that no-one could have known - things like the parrot that bit my mum's finger and about the peace rose on my nan's grave - he also said to watch out for a ring that would break and not to lose the stone. two days later, the girl who had been sitting 2 seats down (I worked with her fiancé) showed me her engagement ring which had snapped and the stone was missing - she'd managed to find the stone and was taking it to be repaired.
I agree, most are probably charlatans, and Derek Acorah does play to the cameras but he certainly has something! |
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Mediums are great at picking up on signals. Did they say your dad is called mike and you bet on horses? No, they took a common name and suggested that one of you knew someone called Mike
She didn't say your dad who just died is called mike. It's about suggesting things look for a minor reaction and then go from there. Also as a medium if they're predicting future events this means our
Lives are predetermined.
It's hogwash I'm afraid but mediums can be very skilled |
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By *its n ballsCouple
over a year ago
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"Whilst, I agree there are many charlatans out there, I also believe that are some people with an amazing gift!
I personally know one of these people. The first time I met her, I took my then hubby to see her, he had lost his dad, and I thought it might help him, he was a bit of a skeptic!
She sat there in his reading with us both, and told us we had 3 children, 2 alive and 1 on the other side! Correct! She asked my hubby who mike was? Mike is his dad! She told him he had been a copper, again correct. She told him how he had died. She then also told him some real personal and not general stuff that only he and his dad knew about! She then bought through someone else. A guy we had both known through work who had hung himself, he had been fighting mental illness and wanted his family to know he was sorry!
She then started going on about horses, I am not a horsey person nor is my ex hubby so we didn't understand that reference. However a few years down the line that reference became clear to me, turned out my ex was secretly gambling on horses, he nearly lost us our house, I had to remortgage to pay all his debts! I wish I had known then what the reference was too!
I have had my own readings with her since last one was about a year ago! She amazes me everytime, she gives you names and specifics and does not generalise!!! I absolutely believe some people are genuinely gifted and she is one of them!! "
I had a reading last year .he was good. Told me things that he couldn't have possibly known if he wasn't talking to a relative. Nothing much about my future but i guess he knew that all i really needed to know was that my relatives were ok. And he told me that if I ever needed them all i had to do was ask and they would make me a where of their presence. Anyway about 6 months later i was really poorly and scared remembered what he had said and asked for them. It worked. Not telling how .just in case someone we know is reading this lol.
But needless to say. I now believe. Xx |
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I have an open mind on issues that can neither be explained or proven scientifically etc.
Whilst I have never consulted a medium, one of my sisters did shortly after my father died twenty years ago. The medium knew absolutely nothing of my sister's background yet came up with intimate facts about him even his beloved dog's name Sula. |
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By *adyA01Woman
over a year ago
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"Mediums are great at picking up on signals. Did they say your dad is called mike and you bet on horses? No, they took a common name and suggested that one of you knew someone called Mike
She didn't say your dad who just died is called mike. It's about suggesting things look for a minor reaction and then go from there. Also as a medium if they're predicting future events this means our
Lives are predetermined.
It's hogwash I'm afraid but mediums can be very skilled"
I totally disagree with you, she does not guess at names, she comes straight out with them, she gives personal details that are only relevant to the person concerned! How common is the name marguerite??? My grandmothers name, at another reading she came straight out with it, she has also told me I have a sister on the other side and how she died. I went another time specifically for guidance on a particular topic, she had no idea what I wanted to know or why I was seeing her, but she told me when I got there and she was right, it was to do with a relationship and she came straight out with the name of the person I was there to ask about! No guessing just bam laid it on the table! Now I agree there are some very skilled charlatans out there but this lady is not one of them!! |
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"Mediums are great at picking up on signals. Did they say your dad is called mike and you bet on horses? No, they took a common name and suggested that one of you knew someone called Mike
She didn't say your dad who just died is called mike. It's about suggesting things look for a minor reaction and then go from there. Also as a medium if they're predicting future events this means our
Lives are predetermined.
It's hogwash I'm afraid but mediums can be very skilled
I totally disagree with you, she does not guess at names, she comes straight out with them, she gives personal details that are only relevant to the person concerned! How common is the name marguerite??? My grandmothers name, at another reading she came straight out with it, she has also told me I have a sister on the other side and how she died. I went another time specifically for guidance on a particular topic, she had no idea what I wanted to know or why I was seeing her, but she told me when I got there and she was right, it was to do with a relationship and she came straight out with the name of the person I was there to ask about! No guessing just bam laid it on the table! Now I agree there are some very skilled charlatans out there but this lady is not one of them!!"
Brilliant
Ask them how JFK died or my grandad she'll know who I'm talking about. While they're at it, can I have lottery numbers for tonight. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do you believe in psychic powers bestowed upon the gifted amongst us ?
I believe that such folk are charlatans using the reading of body language,probability and cold calling methods to hoodwink often vulnerable members of the public.
When we have lost a loved one we'd all love to be able to communicate with that cherised person again.
They have died and we must surely face scientific fact that this is no longer possible.
James Randi is an ex magician and psychic debunker who tours replicating the techniques that these so called "gifted" individuals use.
He set up the James Randi institute and has for many years been offering a million dollars.
To receive the money a claimant has to prove their psychic ability in an agreed test in laboratory conditions.
To this day not a soul has received the prize payout.
A great many amateurs have tried and failed.
The big leauge names don't come near the tests.
They are shrewd enough to realize that a failure will tarnish their image and reduce future income potential forever more"
Either that or they just don't give a fuck,
There's plenty of conmen in buisness too, but I'll bet ye still believe in money! |
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I absolutely agree that there's a lot of con artists and bullshit out there. But there's also a lot of unexplained stuff. That's why I keep an open mind. |
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"Mediums are great at picking up on signals. Did they say your dad is called mike and you bet on horses? No, they took a common name and suggested that one of you knew someone called Mike
She didn't say your dad who just died is called mike. It's about suggesting things look for a minor reaction and then go from there. Also as a medium if they're predicting future events this means our
Lives are predetermined.
It's hogwash I'm afraid but mediums can be very skilled"
I fully subscribe to your views expressed on this subject and many others.
Regardless of common ground in reference to said views you're a regular high quality thread poster.
Would a true psychic (oxymoron) travel up and down the country largely working for a few thousand pounds at best ?
If you could communicate with the dead and you knew what the future held for all of us wouldn't billionaire status be positively imminent ?
Wouldn't your true calling be in preventing global disasters such as 9/11 from happening ? |
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On a recent thread of a similar nature I got a bit ranty, so in order not to get carried away on this one, this will be my only post.
There was a programme about alien abduction on ch4 a few months ago and very quickly a thread appeared on the forums ridiculing the people on the show who truly believed they had been abducted. In particular the lady who, even after failing a lie detector test, proclaimed to be in touch with extra terrestrials. Everyone rightly agreed that this poor woman was either lying to herself or needed mental help. Why does everyone change their mind when instead of aliens it's the dead? Aren't the people who claim to speak to spirit equally delusional? Personally I think it's sick that these people make money by giving false hope to vulnerable people at low points of their lives. The $1M prize that was mentioned earlier has been up for grabs since the 60's, why hasn't anyone claimed it yet? Because there's no such thing as psychics! |
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"Whilst, I agree there are many charlatans out there, I also believe that are some people with an amazing gift!
I personally know one pf these people. The first time I met her, I took my then hubby to see her, he had lost his dad, and I thought it might help him, he was a bit of a skeptic!
She sat there in his reading with us both, and told us we had 3 children, 2 alive and 1 on the other side! Correct! She asked my hubby who mike was? Mike is his dad! She told him he had been a copper, again correct. She told him how he had died. She then also told him some real personal and not general stuff that only he and his dad knew about! She then bought through someone else. A guy we had both known through work who had hung himself, he had been fighting mental illness and wanted his family to know he was sorry!
She then started going on about horses, I am not a horsey person nor is my ex hubby so we didn't understand that reference. However a few years down the line that reference became clear to me, turned out my ex was secretly gambling on horses, he nearly lost us our house, I had to remortgage to pay all his debts! I wish I had known then what the reference was too!
I have had my own readings with her since last one was about a year ago! She amazes me everytime, she gives you names and specifics and does not generalise!!! I absolutely believe some people are genuinely gifted and she is one of them!! "
And how many other people was she way off the mark with. They leave the clairvoyant stuff VERY open to interpretation, you may as well read Nostradamus. People only remember the stuff that they got right. The guessing they did is soon forgotten about. |
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"I believe that most are charlatans. My boss used to pay an absolute fortune to a psychic who used so many tricks and told her nothing that we hadn't told her already. She has slowed down but still spends money she hasn't got just to hear that everything will be okay. Taking money from the insecure - definitely! The woman should be strung up!
However, I also believe that some have, not necessarily a gift, but certainly some insight or openess that allows them to interact outwith our immediate time. My ex-husband is a very sympathetic, almost feminine person and has occasionally woken from a dream and told me all about it. With a couple of days something connected with the dream has happened. Co-incidence? Possibly, but I don't think so.
He can never tell when it's going to come and he never knows exactly what it will be so it would be impossible to recreate in a laboratory experiment.
One of life's unexplainable mysteries? I think so.
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Impossible to recreate under controlled conditions. No. Just convenient that people seem to think so. |
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"Mediums are great at picking up on signals. Did they say your dad is called mike and you bet on horses? No, they took a common name and suggested that one of you knew someone called Mike
She didn't say your dad who just died is called mike. It's about suggesting things look for a minor reaction and then go from there. Also as a medium if they're predicting future events this means our
Lives are predetermined.
It's hogwash I'm afraid but mediums can be very skilled
I totally disagree with you, she does not guess at names, she comes straight out with them, she gives personal details that are only relevant to the person concerned! How common is the name marguerite??? My grandmothers name, at another reading she came straight out with it, she has also told me I have a sister on the other side and how she died. I went another time specifically for guidance on a particular topic, she had no idea what I wanted to know or why I was seeing her, but she told me when I got there and she was right, it was to do with a relationship and she came straight out with the name of the person I was there to ask about! No guessing just bam laid it on the table! Now I agree there are some very skilled charlatans out there but this lady is not one of them!!"
Next time you go, take a friend, get the medium to "read" for them. Tape record it secretly, and play it back later. Everything they come out with has been deduced. |
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"On a recent thread of a similar nature I got a bit ranty, so in order not to get carried away on this one, this will be my only post.
There was a programme about alien abduction on ch4 a few months ago and very quickly a thread appeared on the forums ridiculing the people on the show who truly believed they had been abducted. In particular the lady who, even after failing a lie detector test, proclaimed to be in touch with extra terrestrials. Everyone rightly agreed that this poor woman was either lying to herself or needed mental help. Why does everyone change their mind when instead of aliens it's the dead? Aren't the people who claim to speak to spirit equally delusional? Personally I think it's sick that these people make money by giving false hope to vulnerable people at low points of their lives. The $1M prize that was mentioned earlier has been up for grabs since the 60's, why hasn't anyone claimed it yet? Because there's no such thing as psychics!"
Quality posting as are all those of beavereager |
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Maybe not everyone feels the need to prove themselves at any cost, why can't people believe what they want?
What difference does it make to anyone else?  |
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I've never been and seen a 'medium' or whatever you want to call them. So I'm on the fence, erring on the side of disbelief in all honesty.
Certain police forces have used them, but if they were totally effective wouldn't every murder be solved and bodies always recovered?
Slightly off topic, anyone done ouiji boards? Played around with them as a teenager with other teenagers and could never be 100% sure someone wasn't moving the glass, didn't think they were...
A good friend of my Mums used to do it with friends regularly, her husband would take the piss,They wanted him to join them, however he decided to do it by himself, after which it was never allowed to be done in his house again, by anyone.
Anyone fancy doing it on their own?
I don't.
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