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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Did anyone see that programme the other night about him, stating he is a spy? Now maybe I need to come into this century but he stated he can wipe files and has done so on demand from computer just by using his mind.......... so the question is, am I losing it or was I the only one who laughed all the way through thinking this guy really is a nutter?

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By *ichaelangelaCouple  over a year ago

notts

is he any relation to David Icke??

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

There was a good article about it the other day but I can't remember which paper I read it in. It is of course bull.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

I was rocking watching it.... every question they asked him that might have caught him out he kept saying course I can't discuss that.....I'm pretty sure the guy interviewing was dying to laugh as well, could tell by his voice lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

He kinda freaks me out

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By *thwalescplCouple  over a year ago

brecon

I was a complete sceptic, often describing him as a fake.

Having seen the tests done on him, I am now a believer, one test had odds of a trillion to one on him getting it right, and he did every time he gave an answer!

You cannot fake the results of several days of tests done under labratory conditions.

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

He has been caught out as a fake many times. James Randi has repeatedly asked him to perform his tricks in laboratory conditions but he has consistently refused because he knows it will expose his fakery.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think hes just a bender

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I love the mad deluded mind that is Uri Gellers.....I would'nt mind his house or his bonkers spoon bendy car either

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don't know personally, however enough very wealthy people believe in his abilities to fund a very nice lifestyle.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I was a complete sceptic, often describing him as a fake.

Having seen the tests done on him, I am now a believer, one test had odds of a trillion to one on him getting it right, and he did every time he gave an answer!

You cannot fake the results of several days of tests done under labratory conditions. "

I've watched Uri with interest since i was a child, I believe in his abiliities,

Some people may not know this but he knows when he is able or not able to do certain things, the conditions have to be right!

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

He's a fake. A clever one but a fake nevertheless.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=M9w7jHYriFo&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DM9w7jHYriFo

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By *Ryan-Man  over a year ago

In Your Bush

I rubbed his red spot and one the pools once

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"I was a complete sceptic, often describing him as a fake.

Having seen the tests done on him, I am now a believer, one test had odds of a trillion to one on him getting it right, and he did every time he gave an answer!

You cannot fake the results of several days of tests done under labratory conditions.

I've watched Uri with interest since i was a child, I believe in his abiliities,

Some people may not know this but he knows when he is able or not able to do certain things, the conditions have to be right! "

The conditions have to be right for him to fake it or he claims he's not feeling 'strong' or that the negativity in the room is preventing him. Which is a handy cop out.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Don't let soxy see this! He's not exactly a Uri fan!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I was a complete sceptic, often describing him as a fake.

Having seen the tests done on him, I am now a believer, one test had odds of a trillion to one on him getting it right, and he did every time he gave an answer!

You cannot fake the results of several days of tests done under labratory conditions.

I've watched Uri with interest since i was a child, I believe in his abiliities,

Some people may not know this but he knows when he is able or not able to do certain things, the conditions have to be right!

The conditions have to be right for him to fake it or he claims he's not feeling 'strong' or that the negativity in the room is preventing him. Which is a handy cop out."

You call him a fake but you've never even met him? Do you understand about possitive energy? I can see you already understand the negative!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It is possible to control a computer with thought waves, but the technology is at a very early stage. Dr Stephen Hawking has trialled a system that responds to positive and negative brain waves, but as yet, only through probes attached to the skull which pick up positive/negative electric brain waves which is the basis of a binary system. I don't believe Uri Geller is able to do it "wirelessly" though, because the sensors involved wouldn't be powerful enough or well-enough shielded from outside electrical activity.

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"I was a complete sceptic, often describing him as a fake.

Having seen the tests done on him, I am now a believer, one test had odds of a trillion to one on him getting it right, and he did every time he gave an answer!

You cannot fake the results of several days of tests done under labratory conditions.

I've watched Uri with interest since i was a child, I believe in his abiliities,

Some people may not know this but he knows when he is able or not able to do certain things, the conditions have to be right!

The conditions have to be right for him to fake it or he claims he's not feeling 'strong' or that the negativity in the room is preventing him. Which is a handy cop out.

You call him a fake but you've never even met him? Do you understand about possitive energy? I can see you already understand the negative! "

I don't have to have met him to know he is a fake. Noel Edmunds even caught him out with hidden cameras on Noels House Party some years ago. He claimed he could make a compass move psychically. The hidden camera picked up that he had a tiny magnet attached to his thumb. Not very psychic.

And I don't believe I made a personal comment to you and do not appreciate you making one to me. It does nothing to further the argument.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Your comments and posts are clearly NEGATIVE, I pointed that out, nothing personal about it, how can it be?

I don't know you?

I would never base my beliefs on tv shows,

How you make your beliefs is up to you!

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

It was a personal comment. However, I will not get drawn into an argument about it. I don't believe in what is fundamentally unproven. Furthermore, it HAS been proven, on more than one occasion that he is a fake. Take a look at James Randis book - The Truth About Uri Geller. (Thats the third piece of actual evidence I have cited on this thread).

Or what about Geller trying to sue Randi threetimes for exposing him as a fake and FAILING? (Thats the fourth piece of actual evidence I have cited on this thread).

I continue to assert that the man is a PROVEN fake - repeatedly. What others wish to believe in the face of such evidence and proof is entirely up to them.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

He can stand tall at the pearly gates when he's gone and say "I've lived a colourful life".

Which is more than can be said for the rest of us mere mortals. Unless you've also led a colourful life??

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"He can stand tall at the pearly gates when he's gone and say "I've lived a colourful life".

Which is more than can be said for the rest of us mere mortals. Unless you've also led a colourful life?? "

Well it could also be said that he has lived a life based on lies and deceit.

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By *unky monkeyMan  over a year ago

in the night garden

Don't get me wrong I think Uri Gellar is a total farking carnt!

But he was recruited from Israel in the early 60's by the CIA as the Cold War was really kicking off to be part of a program that intended to use paranormal abilities to spy. He was part of team that was supposed to be able to 'remote view' i.e. the team were trained to use their minds to spy on foreign countries without actually leaving the room. Of course it was bullshit and these dudes just made shit up. But the program was real and for a short time the very young Gellar was working for the CIA before they shut it all down.

True story.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think Uri is an amazing person, who can and has done amazing things, I choose not to simply "believe" the findings of others as "fact", not without doing extensive research of my own on the subject, my mind will remain open till I meet him, and decide for myself, but then...that's how I work!

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"I think Uri is an amazing person, who can and has done amazing things, I choose not to simply "believe" the findings of others as "fact", not without doing extensive research of my own on the subject, my mind will remain open till I meet him, and decide for myself, but then...that's how I work! "

Well if filmed evidence is not fact then I don't know what is.

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By *oodmessMan  over a year ago

yumsville


"I think Uri is an amazing person, who can and has done amazing things, I choose not to simply "believe" the findings of others as "fact", not without doing extensive research of my own on the subject, my mind will remain open till I meet him, and decide for myself, but then...that's how I work! "

Eh? So you choose to live in a blinkered world of make believe, whilst pointing the finger of negativity quite happily, to support your "beliefs" as true and factual. That doesn't make sense at all? You're saying that everyone else is wrong despite not doing any research or supporting what you're saying with evidence.

That's just a bit mad isn't it?

I believe one day a unicorn with a bacon butty will be my chauffeur to and from work one day too! And none can say otherwise cos who can say I'm wrong! But I might just be mad lol !

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

When did I say anyone was wrong? Never mind EVERYONE, I don't need to justify my beliefs to anyone, and there's no need to call the men in white coats just because I don't instantly believe second hand info when its thrown at me. that would be nuts!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Some of his jewellery is kinda nice, veering off topic slightly

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"When did I say anyone was wrong? Never mind EVERYONE, I don't need to justify my beliefs to anyone, and there's no need to call the men in white coats just because I don't instantly believe second hand info when its thrown at me. that would be nuts! "

So, in that case, what first hand information do you have to prove that he is not a fake? I assume you have some since you dismiss 'second hand' information (which is actually provable evidence tried and tested) such as film of his cheating and television programmes he has shown to fail on. You have met him and witnessed his psychic ability at close quarters, I am assuming, since any other evidence would be, as you say, 'second hand' information this is the reason you have such faith in his psychic abilities.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Uri Geller is a brilliant and gifted con man. When actually challenged he hasn't been able to replicate his abilities. When he controls the environment including the filming of his "skills" then he's no better than Dynamo the Magician.

Problem is people who "believe" something will choose their "facts" to emphasise their belief while ignoring all the evidence that disproves it. Similar to homeopathy, anecdotal evidence is not actual evidence.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don't need to prove he's anything? I simply believe in his abilities, what FIRST hand info do YOU have?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Uri Geller is a brilliant and gifted con man. When actually challenged he hasn't been able to replicate his abilities. When he controls the environment including the filming of his "skills" then he's no better than Dynamo the Magician.

Problem is people who "believe" something will choose their "facts" to emphasise their belief while ignoring all the evidence that disproves it. Similar to homeopathy, anecdotal evidence is not actual evidence. "

What is a fact, if it doesn't eventually boil down to one persons opinion?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

"Abilities?"

Science is about evidence and testing, doesn't need first hand jnteraction. I understand the concept of gravity and flight as taught to us by testable processes in science. The difference is that Uri is about belief. He's not testable and doesn't have scientific proof in any way shape or form that he can do any of his abilities.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Uri Geller is a brilliant and gifted con man. When actually challenged he hasn't been able to replicate his abilities. When he controls the environment including the filming of his "skills" then he's no better than Dynamo the Magician.

Problem is people who "believe" something will choose their "facts" to emphasise their belief while ignoring all the evidence that disproves it. Similar to homeopathy, anecdotal evidence is not actual evidence.

What is a fact, if it doesn't eventually boil down to one persons opinion?"

Theres a huge difference between testing a theory scientifcally and having an opinion. We believed the world was flat until it was scientifically proven it wasnt. thats the difference between opinion and fact. Gravity is a fact, it's testable by walking out of your first floor window versus walking out your front door. H2o is water not because I believe it, but because it's made from two molecules of hydrogen and one of oxygen this is testable and isn't an opinion.

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"I don't need to prove he's anything? I simply believe in his abilities, what FIRST hand info do YOU have? "

I was merely using your own argument regarding 'second hand' information, as you call it. You insist on everyone providing proof of him being a fake but do not hold your own arguments to that same yardstick.

I did say earlier that people can believe whatever they want. However, it has been repeatedly proven that the man has faked many of his so-called abilities. If someone wishes to ignore that factual evidence as it does not fit their beliefs then they are fully entitled to do so. But that is not a valid ciunter argument to evidence of his fakery. It is, as you say, merely a belief.

I, and many on here, simply disagree with that belief and we are as entitled to do so, as you are entitled to your belief.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I don't need to prove he's anything? I simply believe in his abilities, what FIRST hand info do YOU have?

I was merely using your own argument regarding 'second hand' information, as you call it. You insist on everyone providing proof of him being a fake but do not hold your own arguments to that same yardstick.

I did say earlier that people can believe whatever they want. However, it has been repeatedly proven that the man has faked many of his so-called abilities. If someone wishes to ignore that factual evidence as it does not fit their beliefs then they are fully entitled to do so. But that is not a valid ciunter argument to evidence of his fakery. It is, as you say, merely a belief.

I, and many on here, simply disagree with that belief and we are as entitled to do so, as you are entitled to your belief."

So you have none?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Uri geller is an anagram of rile gluer sorry its the best i could do

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"I don't need to prove he's anything? I simply believe in his abilities, what FIRST hand info do YOU have?

I was merely using your own argument regarding 'second hand' information, as you call it. You insist on everyone providing proof of him being a fake but do not hold your own arguments to that same yardstick.

I did say earlier that people can believe whatever they want. However, it has been repeatedly proven that the man has faked many of his so-called abilities. If someone wishes to ignore that factual evidence as it does not fit their beliefs then they are fully entitled to do so. But that is not a valid ciunter argument to evidence of his fakery. It is, as you say, merely a belief.

I, and many on here, simply disagree with that belief and we are as entitled to do so, as you are entitled to your belief.

So you have none?"

None what? Belief in cheap parlour tricks? No, I do not.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

First hand proof that he's a fake

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"First hand proof that he's a fake "

Hang on a minute. YOU dont need proof but everyone who argues against your belief fldoes? That is not valid arguing.

I also have cited four pieces of evidence. You haven't. Of course your single, and very thin, argument is that you have a belief. You have used that argument repeatedly. Do you have any other more compelling argument?

And I mean a proper counter argument rsther than demanding over and over that people need yo prove themselves - but uou dint need to prove a thing.

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By *atisfy janeWoman  over a year ago

Torquay


"First hand proof that he's a fake "

I think when someone makes wild claims the onus is on them to prove themselves....not the other way round.

Nothing I have seen from Geller over the years shows me he is anything but a seasoned trickster/con artist/fake/nutcase.....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"First hand proof that he's a fake

I think when someone makes wild claims the onus is on them to prove themselves....not the other way round.

Nothing I have seen from Geller over the years shows me he is anything but a seasoned trickster/con artist/fake/nutcase....."

I made no claims?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"First hand proof that he's a fake

Hang on a minute. YOU dont need proof but everyone who argues against your belief fldoes? That is not valid arguing.

I also have cited four pieces of evidence. You haven't. Of course your single, and very thin, argument is that you have a belief. You have used that argument repeatedly. Do you have any other more compelling argument?

And I mean a proper counter argument rsther than demanding over and over that people need yo prove themselves - but uou dint need to prove a thing."

So that would be a NO? Then..would it?

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By *atisfy janeWoman  over a year ago

Torquay


"First hand proof that he's a fake

I think when someone makes wild claims the onus is on them to prove themselves....not the other way round.

Nothing I have seen from Geller over the years shows me he is anything but a seasoned trickster/con artist/fake/nutcase.....

I made no claims? "

Geller makes claims about himself and his 'powers' all the time.....I am talking about the trickster, not the tricksters followers.

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"First hand proof that he's a fake

Hang on a minute. YOU dont need proof but everyone who argues against your belief fldoes? That is not valid arguing.

I also have cited four pieces of evidence. You haven't. Of course your single, and very thin, argument is that you have a belief. You have used that argument repeatedly. Do you have any other more compelling argument?

And I mean a proper counter argument rsther than demanding over and over that people need yo prove themselves - but uou dint need to prove a thing.

So that would be a NO? Then..would it? "

You have no valid argument whatsoever. I have cited four pieces which you have conveniently ignored. I shall, therefore, be ignoring your lack of argument until you fulfil your OWN criteria which is - prove it.

In a rational argument one needs proof. You have none. Until you do so you have no argument. A poor arguer is one unwilling to provide evidence of their stance and who resorts to only attacking those in contention agsinst them because there is no substance to the argument they put forward.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Belief in Geller's abilities is pretty much like any religion - a leap of faith, usually with money changing hands.

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By *oodmessMan  over a year ago

yumsville


"First hand proof that he's a fake "

I can't believe you hold such fervent opinions about Geller!

Can I ask your beliefs on grander world topics.?

1/ man going to the moon

2/ Osama bin laden being pronounced dead

3/ Jesus

4/ the dodo being an extinct species

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"First hand proof that he's a fake

Hang on a minute. YOU dont need proof but everyone who argues against your belief fldoes? That is not valid arguing.

I also have cited four pieces of evidence. You haven't. Of course your single, and very thin, argument is that you have a belief. You have used that argument repeatedly. Do you have any other more compelling argument?

And I mean a proper counter argument rsther than demanding over and over that people need yo prove themselves - but uou dint need to prove a thing.

So that would be a NO? Then..would it?

You have no valid argument whatsoever. I have cited four pieces which you have conveniently ignored. I shall, therefore, be ignoring your lack of argument until you fulfil your OWN criteria which is - prove it.

In a rational argument one needs proof. You have none. Until you do so you have no argument. A poor arguer is one unwilling to provide evidence of their stance and who resorts to only attacking those in contention agsinst them because there is no substance to the argument they put forward. "

I havn't asked everyone for proof..just YOU, and only since you demanded it from me!

Maybe I have no valid argument because I'm not the one arguing..!!

I've ATTACKED nobody or even their opinions..you have

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"First hand proof that he's a fake "

I saw pixies in my garden the other day while I was having a BBQ. It's true because I say so. Prove me wrong or perhaps I should provide actual proof I've seen pixies?

Geller does brilliant illusions and tricks and nothing more.

Otherwise my mate who is a magician really did turn a stick into a bottle of beer!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Wanting something to be real doesn't make it so. People want to believe in psychics therefore they will grasp at tricks and illusions that will allow them to believe in them. The reality is that a million dollars has been on offer for

Decades to any psychic, faith healer or Medium to prove themselves and no one has. Take them into proper scientific processes and they immediately become exposed for the charlatans that they are.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Wanting it to be fake, and saying one or two tests prove this or that is really no different, there were dozens and dozens of tests done that Uri passed, you're experts could not explain how!

Yet you value their opinions as FACT?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Wanting it to be fake, and saying one or two tests prove this or that is really no different, there were dozens and dozens of tests done that Uri passed, you're experts could not explain how!

Yet you value their opinions as FACT? "

I'm sorry but he's never "passed" an actual Independant scientific test of his abilities. Never.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The "scientific" evidence from the 1970's was an informal interview process full of holes (in one case literally) his own stage manager said in the 1970's that he was a performer.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"First hand proof that he's a fake

I think when someone makes wild claims the onus is on them to prove themselves....not the other way round.

Nothing I have seen from Geller over the years shows me he is anything but a seasoned trickster/con artist/fake/nutcase.....

I made no claims?

Geller makes claims about himself and his 'powers' all the time.....I am talking about the trickster, not the tricksters followers."

So your asking me to prove his claims?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Uri Geller is a brilliant and gifted con man. When actually challenged he hasn't been able to replicate his abilities. When he controls the environment including the filming of his "skills" then he's no better than Dynamo the Magician.

Problem is people who "believe" something will choose their "facts" to emphasise their belief while ignoring all the evidence that disproves it. Similar to homeopathy, anecdotal evidence is not actual evidence. "

You mean in the EXACT same way dis-beleivers do?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Uri Geller is a brilliant and gifted con man. When actually challenged he hasn't been able to replicate his abilities. When he controls the environment including the filming of his "skills" then he's no better than Dynamo the Magician.

Problem is people who "believe" something will choose their "facts" to emphasise their belief while ignoring all the evidence that disproves it. Similar to homeopathy, anecdotal evidence is not actual evidence.

You mean in the EXACT same way dis-beleivers do? "

Actually no. We look at scientific evidence in controlled conditions, we use blind trials, replication and process. His tricks can be replicated by magicians time and again, he can't do any of his skills under scientific processes and never has done. He makes claims he can not prove and never has been able to. Time and again he's been proved wrong. Evidence isn't belief evidence is providing proof. Can he bend a spoon? Yep but So can I. Can he

Read minds? No more than dynamo

Can and he knows he's not psychic. You keep mentioning the "proof" of his skills that my people (I'm assuming scientists) can't explain. The only evidence I've seen of that was the disproven research in the 1970's. he cannot replicate and NEVER has been able to in a scientific environment. I'm not cherry picking, he just can't do it.

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"First hand proof that he's a fake

Hang on a minute. YOU dont need proof but everyone who argues against your belief fldoes? That is not valid arguing.

I also have cited four pieces of evidence. You haven't. Of course your single, and very thin, argument is that you have a belief. You have used that argument repeatedly. Do you have any other more compelling argument?

And I mean a proper counter argument rsther than demanding over and over that people need yo prove themselves - but uou dint need to prove a thing.

So that would be a NO? Then..would it?

You have no valid argument whatsoever. I have cited four pieces which you have conveniently ignored. I shall, therefore, be ignoring your lack of argument until you fulfil your OWN criteria which is - prove it.

In a rational argument one needs proof. You have none. Until you do so you have no argument. A poor arguer is one unwilling to provide evidence of their stance and who resorts to only attacking those in contention agsinst them because there is no substance to the argument they put forward.

I havn't asked everyone for proof..just YOU, and only since you demanded it from me!

Maybe I have no valid argument because I'm not the one arguing..!!

I've ATTACKED nobody or even their opinions..you have"

Dsrling you really have lost the argument. Unfortunately you are the only one who cannot see it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

ops maybe i shouldnt have started this thread..... lol. well my take on it is, regardless if he can or cannot wipe computers, and my belief on it is that he cannot, is what was the point in the programme, he never actually told the interviewer anything other than he is/ was a spy. Not knowing much about how spies work maybe he cannot talk about certain things if it were true, but in my opinion he should have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing. The programme was a waste of time , unless of course it was a publicity stunt!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Actually I think it's an interesting thread. I'm astonished at how even now in 2013 people still believe in the tooth fairy and the like.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Actually I think it's an interesting thread. I'm astonished at how even now in 2013 people still believe in the tooth fairy and the like. "

Do you, doesn't surprise me, more second hand bullshit!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Actually I think it's an interesting thread. I'm astonished at how even now in 2013 people still believe in the tooth fairy and the like.

Do you, doesn't surprise me, more second hand bullshit! "

Eh?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"First hand proof that he's a fake

Hang on a minute. YOU dont need proof but everyone who argues against your belief fldoes? That is not valid arguing.

I also have cited four pieces of evidence. You haven't. Of course your single, and very thin, argument is that you have a belief. You have used that argument repeatedly. Do you have any other more compelling argument?

And I mean a proper counter argument rsther than demanding over and over that people need yo prove themselves - but uou dint need to prove a thing.

I haven't asked everyone for proof..just YOU, and only since you demanded it from me!

Maybe I have no valid argument because I'm not the one arguing..!!

I've ATTACKED nobody or even their opinions..you have

Dsrling you really have lost the argument. Unfortunately you are the only one who cannot see it."

Really sweetheart? You lost ANY credibility when you randomly added (and I will copy and paste YOUR words)

"Hang on a minute. YOU don't need proof but everyone who argues against your belief fldoes? That is not valid arguing.

I also have cited four pieces of evidence. You haven't. Of course your single, and very thin, argument is that you have a belief"

What the Hell does my "weight" have to do with this subject???

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"First hand proof that he's a fake

Hang on a minute. YOU dont need proof but everyone who argues against your belief fldoes? That is not valid arguing.

I also have cited four pieces of evidence. You haven't. Of course your single, and very thin, argument is that you have a belief. You have used that argument repeatedly. Do you have any other more compelling argument?

And I mean a proper counter argument rsther than demanding over and over that people need yo prove themselves - but uou dint need to prove a thing.

I haven't asked everyone for proof..just YOU, and only since you demanded it from me!

Maybe I have no valid argument because I'm not the one arguing..!!

I've ATTACKED nobody or even their opinions..you have

Dsrling you really have lost the argument. Unfortunately you are the only one who cannot see it.

Really sweetheart? You lost ANY credibility when you randomly added (and I will copy and paste YOUR words)

"Hang on a minute. YOU don't need proof but everyone who argues against your belief fldoes? That is not valid arguing.

I also have cited four pieces of evidence. You haven't. Of course your single, and very thin, argument is that you have a belief"

What the Hell does my "weight" have to do with this subject??? "

Umm it's not your weight but the thinness of your argument that was mentioned. As in your argument carries no weight as it's a "single, thin argument"

I'm afraid you haven't cited any evidence at all.

James Randi has performed Uri Gellers tricks as have lots of other magicians. So what is seen as psychic powers are performed by others using magic and illusion along with diversion. I'm afraid people only believe he can do these things there is no actual evidence of any ability whatsoever.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Ah get that now, ta!

Nobody has ANY evedence that is beyond doubt, either way, if you have, send me it, I would be interesting reading!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Ah get that now, ta!

Nobody has ANY evedence that is beyond doubt, either way, if you have, send me it, I would be interesting reading! "

and me too ....!!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Sorry guys but sometimes when I'm bored I bounce my penis on the fkdohvkufjdisjvirrifpmlsgk

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Sorry guys but sometimes when I'm bored I bounce my penis on the fkdohvkufjdisjvirrifpmlsgk

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lmao......... cool!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ah get that now, ta!

Nobody has ANY evedence that is beyond doubt, either way, if you have, send me it, I would be interesting reading! "

Evidence?

Well let's see now.

A decent magician has been able to replicate everything

He claims to be able to do. So it's a bit like saying the sugar plum fairies make my car go, however it's been shown that actually it's the internal combustion engine. Your argument is now based on yeah but you can't disprove the sugar plum fairies don't make my car move.

He can't replicate his abilities and the Stanford experiments from the 1970's have been debunked as very poor science.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I met Uri once, he was buying coffee and stuff in a motorway service station, a lady bought a Michael Jackson CD the one he did some artwork on which he gladly signed and had many pics taken too, lovely chap - but he couldn't pay as all the tills and card machines went down, he said it happened to him all the time....

spooky!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ah get that now, ta!

Nobody has ANY evidence that is beyond doubt, either way, if you have, send me it, I would be interesting reading!

Evidence?

Well let's see now.

A decent magician has been able to replicate everything

He claims to be able to do. So it's a bit like saying the sugar plum fairies make my car go, however it's been shown that actually it's the internal combustion engine. Your argument is now based on yeah but you can't disprove the sugar plum fairies don't make my car move.

He can't replicate his abilities and the Stanford experiments from the 1970's have been debunked as very poor science. "

Oh very convenient...and it suits YOUR argument as well, fancy that, debunked by who? And you STILL have not shown anything that disproved his claims have you?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ah get that now, ta!

Nobody has ANY evidence that is beyond doubt, either way, if you have, send me it, I would be interesting reading!

Evidence?

Well let's see now.

A decent magician has been able to replicate everything

He claims to be able to do. So it's a bit like saying the sugar plum fairies make my car go, however it's been shown that actually it's the internal combustion engine. Your argument is now based on yeah but you can't disprove the sugar plum fairies don't make my car move.

He can't replicate his abilities and the Stanford experiments from the 1970's have been debunked as very poor science.

Oh very convenient...and it suits YOUR argument as well, fancy that, debunked by who? And you STILL have not shown anything that disproved his claims have you? "

Actually I have because scientifically he CANNOT replicate his claims. So they've been disproved over and over and over again. The tricks have been performed by hundreds of magicians. He lost an actual court case against James Randi who showed in court that he couldn't sunstantiate his claims (after he'd tried to sue James Randi) he fails time and again to provide evidence for his claims which conveniently allows him to keep claiming the shit he claims. If his tricks can be performed by a half decent magician then how can they be "psychic"? If you want to believe him then crack on. He has NEVER been able prove any of his claims in a controlled experiment. NEVER. The Stanford experiments were shoddy at best. They've never been replicated since in any controlled situation. I can't explain how dynamo does his levitation illusion but he clearly can't fly. You can't explain it therefore he clearly can fly. Good luck with the unicorns and fairies by the way

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Always so rude and personal, I simply don't trust evidence thrown at me, nor do I believe anyone without researching fully for myself, all I have said is that "Uri is an amazing man who can and has done amazing things"

Which part of that says anything about TRICKS?

You won't believe evidence on vid unless it disproves.

People who look at things with closed eyes wont see!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Hey, I don’t really care if some people choose to believe in the dubious abilities of a guy who’s Wiki page acknowledges his own claim to have received these so called supernatural powers as a gift from some extra terrestrials during their visit to planet earth….

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Always so rude and personal, I simply don't trust evidence thrown at me, nor do I believe anyone without researching fully for myself, all I have said is that "Uri is an amazing man who can and has done amazing things"

Which part of that says anything about TRICKS?

You won't believe evidence on vid unless it disproves.

People who look at things with closed eyes wont see!

"

Actually I'd say the same about you. Your posts are quite rude and personal and often completely selective. You didn't say he did tricks, I did. I said that his tricks have been replicated over and over again my magicians and illusionists. The "evidence" on video is from the Stanford experiments and have been discredited by a variety of people including James Randi who won a court case against him saying the same thing I'm saying.

As for eyes open, I do keep them open, I just look for rational explanations through scientific experimentation that can be replicated not just done once by one set of researchers. The very definition of academic fraud is when two experiments show different results especially when they're wildly different. He refuses to replicate the experiments and when challenged is unable to.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Hey, I don’t really care if some people choose to believe in the dubious abilities of a guy who’s Wiki page acknowledges his own claim to have received these so called supernatural powers as a gift from some extra terrestrials during their visit to planet earth….

"

Yeah but if you haven't not seen these extra terrestrials then you can't not prove they don't exist

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Hey, I don’t really care if some people choose to believe in the dubious abilities of a guy who’s Wiki page acknowledges his own claim to have received these so called supernatural powers as a gift from some extra terrestrials during their visit to planet earth….

Yeah but if you haven't not seen these extra terrestrials then you can't not prove they don't exist

"

Ah but surely that presuming these extra terrestrials were big enough to be seen with the naked eye or were indeed visible at all…!!

Perhaps it time to call in that well known authority on such matters and ask David Icke for some clarity on this issue,,

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Hey, I don’t really care if some people choose to believe in the dubious abilities of a guy who’s Wiki page acknowledges his own claim to have received these so called supernatural powers as a gift from some extra terrestrials during their visit to planet earth….

Yeah but if you haven't not seen these extra terrestrials then you can't not prove they don't exist

Ah but surely that presuming these extra terrestrials were big enough to be seen with the naked eye or were indeed visible at all…!!

Perhaps it time to call in that well known authority on such matters and ask David Icke for some clarity on this issue,,

"

Surely with their abilities they'd already know we were asking?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Always so rude and personal, I simply don't trust evidence thrown at me, nor do I believe anyone without researching fully for myself, all I have said is that "Uri is an amazing man who can and has done amazing things"

Which part of that says anything about TRICKS?

You won't believe evidence on vid unless it disproves.

People who look at things with closed eyes wont see!

Actually I'd say the same about you. Your posts are quite rude and personal and often completely selective.

"

Point out ONE time I was rude and personal to YOU

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Always so rude and personal, I simply don't trust evidence thrown at me, nor do I believe anyone without researching fully for myself, all I have said is that "Uri is an amazing man who can and has done amazing things"

Which part of that says anything about TRICKS?

You won't believe evidence on vid unless it disproves.

People who look at things with closed eyes wont see!

Actually I'd say the same about you. Your posts are quite rude and personal and often completely selective.

Point out ONE time I was rude and personal to YOU"

You mean apart from the snouty capitals when you address me directly? Same question back? Point out the one time I was personal and rude about you.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Hey, I don’t really care if some people choose to believe in the dubious abilities of a guy who’s Wiki page acknowledges his own claim to have received these so called supernatural powers as a gift from some extra terrestrials during their visit to planet earth….

Yeah but if you haven't not seen these extra terrestrials then you can't not prove they don't exist

Ah but surely that presuming these extra terrestrials were big enough to be seen with the naked eye or were indeed visible at all…!!

Perhaps it time to call in that well known authority on such matters and ask David Icke for some clarity on this issue,,

Surely with their abilities they'd already know we were asking?"

Indeed that may well be true……

But I really think they both deserve yet anther opportunity to reinforce their message by explaining how they actually know things that would totally blow our tiny minds,,,

So for our own good they just can't tell us!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Good luck with the unicorns and fairies by the way "

That was the last one not the only one!

Me writing in capitals in order to highlight a word is rude and personal to you?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Good luck with the unicorns and fairies by the way

That was the last one not the only one!

Me writing in capitals in order to highlight a word is rude and personal to you? "

On the Internet writing words in capitals is shouting.

Also my reference to faries wasn't personal at all

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Hey, I don’t really care if some people choose to believe in the dubious abilities of a guy who’s Wiki page acknowledges his own claim to have received these so called supernatural powers as a gift from some extra terrestrials during their visit to planet earth….

Yeah but if you haven't not seen these extra terrestrials then you can't not prove they don't exist

Ah but surely that presuming these extra terrestrials were big enough to be seen with the naked eye or were indeed visible at all…!!

Perhaps it time to call in that well known authority on such matters and ask David Icke for some clarity on this issue,,

Surely with their abilities they'd already know we were asking?

Indeed that may well be true……

But I really think they both deserve yet anther opportunity to reinforce their message by explaining how they actually know things that would totally blow our tiny minds,,,

So for our own good they just can't tell us!

"

I'm relieved as I'd hate to find out about the mysteries of the universe straight away

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Good luck with the unicorns and fairies by the way

That was the last one not the only one!

Me writing in capitals in order to highlight a word is rude and personal to you?

On the Internet writing words in capitals is shouting.

Also my reference to faries wasn't personal at all"

Really? Then who were you wishing good luck to with the unicorns and fairies then?

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By *punkloverCouple  over a year ago

hatfield

another fruit and nutcake celeb

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Good luck with the unicorns and fairies by the way

That was the last one not the only one!

Me writing in capitals in order to highlight a word is rude and personal to you?

On the Internet writing words in capitals is shouting.

Also my reference to faries wasn't personal at all

Really? Then who were you wishing good luck to with the unicorns and fairies then?"

It was directed at anyone trying to prove a false negative. Prove something that doesn't exist in a way that people that believe they do exist will accept. I'd mentioned it earlier and you chose to ignore it started using shouting capitals

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Cockteasincunt, if you used james Randi's techniques to replicate geller's performances yourself, would you think you suddenly had psychic powers??? If i performed them would you believe i had these powers too?

Your argument is using faulty logic.

People have given you enough evidence to doubt his claims but you are putting your fingers in your ears and going "la la la...". I hope you never go anywhere near religion....

"The good thing about science is that it is true whether you believe in it or not". Hawking.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Good luck with the unicorns and fairies by the way

That was the last one not the only one!

Me writing in capitals in order to highlight a word is rude and personal to you?

On the Internet writing words in capitals is shouting.

Also my reference to faries wasn't personal at all

Really? Then who were you wishing good luck to with the unicorns and fairies then?

It was directed at anyone trying to prove a false negative. Prove something that doesn't exist in a way that people that believe they do exist will accept. I'd mentioned it earlier and you chose to ignore it started using shouting capitals"

You attached it to MY post, not anyone else's, I've already said my use of caps is not to shout, but you chose to ignore that!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Cockteasincunt, if you used james Randi's techniques to replicate geller's performances yourself, would you think you suddenly had psychic powers??? If i performed them would you believe i had these powers too?

Your argument is using faulty logic.

People have given you enough evidence to doubt his claims but you are putting your fingers in your ears and going "la la la...". I hope you never go anywhere near religion....

"The good thing about science is that it is true whether you believe in it or not". Hawking.

"

Science may true, but their findings are only guidelines not FACT, and even then, they will become incorrect as OUR understanding increases, and don't get me started on Hawking!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

And you've chosen to ignore pretty much everything. Using capitals on the Internet or in emails is universally recognised as shouting. I responded in kind to yours. As for the thing about faries it came from a previous post and was an added item to that post as I couldn't be arsed to cross reference. If you find this rude and personal I apologise. However using capitals is still shouting whether that's your intention or not.

In the previous post i suggested that my car was powered by the sugar plum faries and people were welcome to prove me wrong.

Your argument is very similar to my sugar plum fairy analogy. Everyone else can show their cars are powered by internal combustion, however because I claim that mine is powered by fairies they have to prove me wrong. What I won't do however is let them open the bonnet or let them test my car allowing me to carry on claiming my car is powered by the fairies. Some people may believe this in the face of all the evidence from other cars that work in a different way. This is how uri geller works, indeed it's how all magicians work.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Using capital letters for two words in a sentence is not shouting, its highlighting, just because YOU assumed I was shouting does not mean I was, you also chose to comment in a mocking manner, just because I won't believe as you do? Thats the actions of a controlling bully!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Not sure where to begin with this.

You've stated some things I don't agree with and therefore disagreed. I stated some things you disagreed with and therefore you disagreed.

My objective is not to bully and actually I find it quite interesting that you've taken that approach especially as I'd say some of your posts directed directly at me have been not just dismissive of many points I've put forward. Now if you're going to stoop to name calling I'm going to wander off into the sunset and deal with reality rather than "magic powers" of charlatans such as uri geller.

By the way, using capitals is shouting whether you want them to be "emphasising" or not.

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By *ezebelWoman  over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

Ive removed posts and Im closing the thread now

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