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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Right I've just been to a local shopping centre where there is only about 100 parking spaces. They have decided to change a quarter of them to disabled parking. I've noticed this in a few other car parks locally that there seems to be a bit of an over kill on how many disabled spaces they have. Especially when they were half empty before doubling the amount of them in the first place.
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I haven't noticed around here. From memory it is usually ten percent that should be allowed for disabled parking. I have a blue badge and rarely use it but there are those that really need them. What I would say is ask if you think it is wrong and find out if they are in the right. I am not having a go by the way, it great you noticed and I am sure you never dream of parking in them as some would.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Is this on street parking in a Town Centre?.....if so the norm is around 7-10% in Councils nationwide (England).
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No it's an out of town small retail place. We're they have next/ m&s clearance stores. Even the local Tescos has gone over kill in there car park now |
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"I haven't noticed around here. From memory it is usually ten percent that should be allowed for disabled parking. I have a blue badge and rarely use it but there are those that really need them. What I would say is ask if you think it is wrong and find out if they are in the right. I am not having a go by the way, it great you noticed and I am sure you never dream of parking in them as some would. "
It's understandable that some people do need them and quiet rightly they should have them. but should they really get to park for free like a lot of carparks allow them when everyone else has to pay.
I have parked in them at the local Tescos but this was a few years back when they gave you a parent and child badge at customer services and allowed you to park in them if there was no p&c spaces left. I Stopped parking in them due to the amount of times I had to justify myself to people with disabled badges |
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"I haven't noticed around here. From memory it is usually ten percent that should be allowed for disabled parking. I have a blue badge and rarely use it but there are those that really need them. What I would say is ask if you think it is wrong and find out if they are in the right. I am not having a go by the way, it great you noticed and I am sure you never dream of parking in them as some would.
It's understandable that some people do need them and quiet rightly they should have them. but should they really get to park for free like a lot of carparks allow them when everyone else has to pay.
I have parked in them at the local Tescos but this was a few years back when they gave you a parent and child badge at customer services and allowed you to park in them if there was no p&c spaces left. I Stopped parking in them due to the amount of times I had to justify myself to people with disabled badges"
I did ask about this, the reasoning is that it gives disabled the freedom that you get by walking. Where you might park in one place and then walk to multiple locations, disabled often need to move by car to other locations. It also helps keep roads clear as blue badge holders car park on yellow lines. Most retail parks around here are sensible over parking bays, maybe there are a large number of blur badges issued to your area? |
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Are you sure that your estimation on the ratio wasn't based on your inability to find a parking space when you needed one?
There will have been more 'Mother and Child' spaces than 'Disabled' I would wager, as that is the norm.
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"I haven't noticed around here. From memory it is usually ten percent that should be allowed for disabled parking. I have a blue badge and rarely use it but there are those that really need them. What I would say is ask if you think it is wrong and find out if they are in the right. I am not having a go by the way, it great you noticed and I am sure you never dream of parking in them as some would.
It's understandable that some people do need them and quiet rightly they should have them. but should they really get to park for free like a lot of carparks allow them when everyone else has to pay.
I have parked in them at the local Tescos but this was a few years back when they gave you a parent and child badge at customer services and allowed you to park in them if there was no p&c spaces left. I Stopped parking in them due to the amount of times I had to justify myself to people with disabled badges"
ahhhhh....getting it now, your problem is with Disabled drivers in general, you have now moved on to the inequality between drivers that pay to park and drivers that don't pay to park.
I would personally rather be in a position physically where I pay to park than one where I don't pay to park but have to live with a disability.....that's just me though. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Are you sure that your estimation on the ratio wasn't based on your inability to find a parking space when you needed one?
There will have been more 'Mother and Child' spaces than 'Disabled' I would wager, as that is the norm.
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with the place I went today there is 4 rows of spaces of about 25 each and one whole row is disabled. I don't think there has ever been more than 20 people in the shops at once every time I've been.
The Tescos only had about 8-10 parent and child spaces but about 30-35 disabled ones. This was a few years ago and haven't been back to this tescos as moved from the area so don't know wether it has been changed.
Just something I noticed today while out and made me remember the Tescos incidents. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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All establishments which have parking for customers are legally obliged to provide parking for the disabled and to police that parking.
Those who think it wrong that disabled parking is often free forget that many disabled could not actually get out and about without a car. The able bodied can. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I haven't noticed around here. From memory it is usually ten percent that should be allowed for disabled parking. I have a blue badge and rarely use it but there are those that really need them. What I would say is ask if you think it is wrong and find out if they are in the right. I am not having a go by the way, it great you noticed and I am sure you never dream of parking in them as some would.
It's understandable that some people do need them and quiet rightly they should have them. but should they really get to park for free like a lot of carparks allow them when everyone else has to pay.
I have parked in them at the local Tescos but this was a few years back when they gave you a parent and child badge at customer services and allowed you to park in them if there was no p&c spaces left. I Stopped parking in them due to the amount of times I had to justify myself to people with disabled badges
I did ask about this, the reasoning is that it gives disabled the freedom that you get by walking. Where you might park in one place and then walk to multiple locations, disabled often need to move by car to other locations. It also helps keep roads clear as blue badge holders car park on yellow lines. Most retail parks around here are sensible over parking bays, maybe there are a large number of blur badges issued to your area?"
I never thought of it like that and I suppose it does make sense that they may need to move to a closer parking space while out shopping and keep the other roads clear |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I haven't noticed around here. From memory it is usually ten percent that should be allowed for disabled parking. I have a blue badge and rarely use it but there are those that really need them. What I would say is ask if you think it is wrong and find out if they are in the right. I am not having a go by the way, it great you noticed and I am sure you never dream of parking in them as some would.
It's understandable that some people do need them and quiet rightly they should have them. but should they really get to park for free like a lot of carparks allow them when everyone else has to pay.
I have parked in them at the local Tescos but this was a few years back when they gave you a parent and child badge at customer services and allowed you to park in them if there was no p&c spaces left. I Stopped parking in them due to the amount of times I had to justify myself to people with disabled badges
ahhhhh....getting it now, your problem is with Disabled drivers in general, you have now moved on to the inequality between drivers that pay to park and drivers that don't pay to park.
I would personally rather be in a position physically where I pay to park than one where I don't pay to park but have to live with a disability.....that's just me though."
No my problem isn't with disabled drivers it's to do with the amount of disabled space that are springing up everywhere.
I would of thought most people would prefer to live there life with out a disability |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
"I haven't noticed around here. From memory it is usually ten percent that should be allowed for disabled parking. I have a blue badge and rarely use it but there are those that really need them. What I would say is ask if you think it is wrong and find out if they are in the right. I am not having a go by the way, it great you noticed and I am sure you never dream of parking in them as some would.
It's understandable that some people do need them and quiet rightly they should have them. but should they really get to park for free like a lot of carparks allow them when everyone else has to pay.
I have parked in them at the local Tescos but this was a few years back when they gave you a parent and child badge at customer services and allowed you to park in them if there was no p&c spaces left. I Stopped parking in them due to the amount of times I had to justify myself to people with disabled badges
ahhhhh....getting it now, your problem is with Disabled drivers in general, you have now moved on to the inequality between drivers that pay to park and drivers that don't pay to park.
I would personally rather be in a position physically where I pay to park than one where I don't pay to park but have to live with a disability.....that's just me though.
No my problem isn't with disabled drivers it's to do with the amount of disabled space that are springing up everywhere.
I would of thought most people would prefer to live there life with out a disability"
What? It's not a lifestyle choice! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"All establishments which have parking for customers are legally obliged to provide parking for the disabled and to police that parking.
Those who think it wrong that disabled parking is often free forget that many disabled could not actually get out and about without a car. The able bodied can."
Yes they might not be able to get out and about with out a car but that has nothing to do with the fact that there parking is free |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I haven't noticed around here. From memory it is usually ten percent that should be allowed for disabled parking. I have a blue badge and rarely use it but there are those that really need them. What I would say is ask if you think it is wrong and find out if they are in the right. I am not having a go by the way, it great you noticed and I am sure you never dream of parking in them as some would.
It's understandable that some people do need them and quiet rightly they should have them. but should they really get to park for free like a lot of carparks allow them when everyone else has to pay.
I have parked in them at the local Tescos but this was a few years back when they gave you a parent and child badge at customer services and allowed you to park in them if there was no p&c spaces left. I Stopped parking in them due to the amount of times I had to justify myself to people with disabled badges
ahhhhh....getting it now, your problem is with Disabled drivers in general, you have now moved on to the inequality between drivers that pay to park and drivers that don't pay to park.
I would personally rather be in a position physically where I pay to park than one where I don't pay to park but have to live with a disability.....that's just me though.
No my problem isn't with disabled drivers it's to do with the amount of disabled space that are springing up everywhere.
I would of thought most people would prefer to live there life with out a disability
What? It's not a lifestyle choice! "
no one said it was did they |
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"I haven't noticed around here. From memory it is usually ten percent that should be allowed for disabled parking. I have a blue badge and rarely use it but there are those that really need them. What I would say is ask if you think it is wrong and find out if they are in the right. I am not having a go by the way, it great you noticed and I am sure you never dream of parking in them as some would. o
It's understandable that some people do need them and quiet rightly they should have them. but should they really get to park for free like a lot of carparks allow them when everyone else has to pay.
I have parked in them at the local Tescos but this was a few years back when they gave you a parent and child badge at customer services and allowed you to park in them if there was no p&c spaces left. I Stopped parking in them due to the amount of times I had to justify myself to people with disabled badges
ahhhhh....getting it now, your problem is with Disabled drivers in general, you have now moved on to the inequality between drivers that pay to park and drivers that don't pay to park.
I would personally rather be in a position physically where I pay to park than one where I don't pay to park but have to live with a disability.....that's just me though.
No my problem isn't with disabled drivers it's to do with the amount of disabled space that are springing up everywhere.
I would of thought most people would prefer to live there life with out a disability
What? It's not a lifestyle choice! "
I would have had a guide dog years ago if I knew how many women like them 
To be fair to the OP it is a fair question to ask. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"I haven't noticed around here. From memory it is usually ten percent that should be allowed for disabled parking. I have a blue badge and rarely use it but there are those that really need them. What I would say is ask if you think it is wrong and find out if they are in the right. I am not having a go by the way, it great you noticed and I am sure you never dream of parking in them as some would.
It's understandable that some people do need them and quiet rightly they should have them. but should they really get to park for free like a lot of carparks allow them when everyone else has to pay.
I have parked in them at the local Tescos but this was a few years back when they gave you a parent and child badge at customer services and allowed you to park in them if there was no p&c spaces left. I Stopped parking in them due to the amount of times I had to justify myself to people with disabled badges
ahhhhh....getting it now, your problem is with Disabled drivers in general, you have now moved on to the inequality between drivers that pay to park and drivers that don't pay to park.
I would personally rather be in a position physically where I pay to park than one where I don't pay to park but have to live with a disability.....that's just me though.
No my problem isn't with disabled drivers it's to do with the amount of disabled space that are springing up everywhere.
I would of thought most people would prefer to live there life with out a disability
What? It's not a lifestyle choice! no one said it was did they"
Then I must have misunderstood your comment about supposing people would prefer not to live as disabled.
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I dont agree with the amount of disabled parking spaces at my local shopping place, they are nearly always empty, I dont agree that they should be able to park on yellow lines either, I really dont agree that they should park for free either, I think they should be charged for the blue badge. I see many people who park in these spaces quite easily get out of their cars and walk off just as easily. Yes I know there are people out there that say they wouldnt manage without the "free" parking spaces but I know a fair few who are just as able bodied as the average person who have the badges.
And I wont even start on the mobility cars! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I would personally rather be in a position physically where I pay to park than one where I don't pay to park but have to live with a disability.....that's just me though.
Then I must have misunderstood your comment about supposing people would prefer not to live as disabled.
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Yes you must have misunderstood as I was try to say that the above quote would be rather obvious |
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"I dont agree with the amount of disabled parking spaces at my local shopping place, they are nearly always empty, I dont agree that they should be able to park on yellow lines either, I really dont agree that they should park for free either, I think they should be charged for the blue badge. I see many people who park in these spaces quite easily get out of their cars and walk off just as easily. Yes I know there are people out there that say they wouldnt manage without the "free" parking spaces but I know a fair few who are just as able bodied as the average person who have the badges.
And I wont even start on the mobility cars!"
What don't you agree with the fact they get a brand new free car every 3 years with servicing and repairs done for free. Oh yeah the free insurance as well.  |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"All establishments which have parking for customers are legally obliged to provide parking for the disabled and to police that parking.
Those who think it wrong that disabled parking is often free forget that many disabled could not actually get out and about without a car. The able bodied can.
Yes they might not be able to get out and about with out a car but that has nothing to do with the fact that there parking is free "
I think it is. Disabled people are often (although not all, of course) on low incomes, have to pay more for somethings than others and for those with blue badges may not have to choice of taking the free option of walking to the shops. To charge them for parking disproportionately affects them. Not charging them gives them an equality with other local people able to walk or get there by public transport. Equality isn't achieved by doing the same for everyone and in the same way. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"I dont agree with the amount of disabled parking spaces at my local shopping place, they are nearly always empty, I dont agree that they should be able to park on yellow lines either, I really dont agree that they should park for free either, I think they should be charged for the blue badge. I see many people who park in these spaces quite easily get out of their cars and walk off just as easily. Yes I know there are people out there that say they wouldnt manage without the "free" parking spaces but I know a fair few who are just as able bodied as the average person who have the badges.
And I wont even start on the mobility cars!"
My mum had a mobility car adapted for her wheelchair. You do realise that that these are not given away for free? They are never owned only rented. Mobility payments help cover the cost but not always everything.
As for deciding by looking at whether someone is disabled or not, well I can only say I am glad that approach is not used by assessors. You don't know why some people need disabled facilities. Heart disease is hard to see but those people need spaces near the doir or they become too tired to be able to getaaround a large shop. Or perhaps they should just stay at home and not inconvenience the rest of us who don't want to walk a bit to the doorway? |
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"I dont agree with the amount of disabled parking spaces at my local shopping place, they are nearly always empty, I dont agree that they should be able to park on yellow lines either, I really dont agree that they should park for free either, I think they should be charged for the blue badge. I see many people who park in these spaces quite easily get out of their cars and walk off just as easily. Yes I know there are people out there that say they wouldnt manage without the "free" parking spaces but I know a fair few who are just as able bodied as the average person who have the badges.
And I wont even start on the mobility cars!
My mum had a mobility car adapted for her wheelchair. You do realise that that these are not given away for free? They are never owned only rented. Mobility payments help cover the cost but not always everything.
As for deciding by looking at whether someone is disabled or not, well I can only say I am glad that approach is not used by assessors. You don't know why some people need disabled facilities. Heart disease is hard to see but those people need spaces near the doir or they become too tired to be able to getaaround a large shop. Or perhaps they should just stay at home and not inconvenience the rest of us who don't want to walk a bit to the doorway?"
I think you will find there is always an option of receiving a car that will fit the requirements that will not go over the mobility payment. It might not be the make or model that someone wants but it does the job that it is required to do.
I know as this was my job for a long time |
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"I dont agree with the amount of disabled parking spaces at my local shopping place, they are nearly always empty, I dont agree that they should be able to park on yellow lines either, I really dont agree that they should park for free either, I think they should be charged for the blue badge. I see many people who park in these spaces quite easily get out of their cars and walk off just as easily. Yes I know there are people out there that say they wouldnt manage without the "free" parking spaces but I know a fair few who are just as able bodied as the average person who have the badges.
And I wont even start on the mobility cars!
What don't you agree with the fact they get a brand new free car every 3 years with servicing and repairs done for free. Oh yeah the free insurance as well. "
And yet the drivers have to put their own fuel in them  |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"I didn't know that, why do disabled people get free parking then?"
Because if they didn't they would most likely be unable to get out and about. You cannot afford to pay for parking when you are on benegits. Being disabled is costly. And I really get angry at people who treat the disabled as if they are shiftless shirkers.
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"I didn't know that, why do disabled people get free parking then?
Because if they didn't they would most likely be unable to get out and about. You cannot afford to pay for parking when you are on benegits. Being disabled is costly. And I really get angry at people who treat the disabled as if they are shiftless shirkers.
There but for the grace of God ..."
So should some one on the dole not have to pay for parking then as they obviously won't be able to afford it |
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Yes agree there are people that are genuine, I wasnt saying there wasnt.
A member of my family has osteoarthritis, she drives about in a brand new BMW M sport and is getting a BMW convertable in September..... can anyone explain how these cars are meant for disabled people?
And yes they are through the mobilty scheme/centre.
I was under the understanding diabled people get allowances/benefits which could pay for the blue badges. What are yellow lines for? I thought they were to say "do not park here as its dangerous/causes obstruction"
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"I dont agree with the amount of disabled parking spaces at my local shopping place, they are nearly always empty, I dont agree that they should be able to park on yellow lines either, I really dont agree that they should park for free either, I think they should be charged for the blue badge. I see many people who park in these spaces quite easily get out of their cars and walk off just as easily. Yes I know there are people out there that say they wouldnt manage without the "free" parking spaces but I know a fair few who are just as able bodied as the average person who have the badges.
And I wont even start on the mobility cars!
What don't you agree with the fact they get a brand new free car every 3 years with servicing and repairs done for free. Oh yeah the free insurance as well. "
but they don't get them for FREE |
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"I dont agree with the amount of disabled parking spaces at my local shopping place, they are nearly always empty, I dont agree that they should be able to park on yellow lines either, I really dont agree that they should park for free either, I think they should be charged for the blue badge. I see many people who park in these spaces quite easily get out of their cars and walk off just as easily. Yes I know there are people out there that say they wouldnt manage without the "free" parking spaces but I know a fair few who are just as able bodied as the average person who have the badges.
And I wont even start on the mobility cars!"
You do pay for your blue badge, it comes from central government now, I have a guide dog which the government pays nothing for, in fact guide dogs pay vat on the dog food as a guide dog is not considered a working dog. What most take for granted, disabled people work really hard to maintain. Be it freedom of movement, independence and dignity are rather hard to hold on to when you have a disability. |
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"Yes agree there are people that are genuine, I wasnt saying there wasnt.
A member of my family has osteoarthritis, she drives about in a brand new BMW M sport and is getting a BMW convertable in September..... can anyone explain how these cars are meant for disabled people?
And yes they are through the mobilty scheme/centre.
I was under the understanding diabled people get allowances/benefits which could pay for the blue badges. What are yellow lines for? I thought they were to say "do not park here as its dangerous/causes obstruction"
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That is the problem with the mobility scheme they are free to choose a car from any main dealer that participates and if there mobility payment does not cover it they can top up the payment to cover the short fall. But then can't afford the parking charges for it |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
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"I dont agree with the amount of disabled parking spaces at my local shopping place, they are nearly always empty, I dont agree that they should be able to park on yellow lines either, I really dont agree that they should park for free either, I think they should be charged for the blue badge. I see many people who park in these spaces quite easily get out of their cars and walk off just as easily. Yes I know there are people out there that say they wouldnt manage without the "free" parking spaces but I know a fair few who are just as able bodied as the average person who have the badges.
And I wont even start on the mobility cars!
You do pay for your blue badge, it comes from central government now, I have a guide dog which the government pays nothing for, in fact guide dogs pay vat on the dog food as a guide dog is not considered a working dog. What most take for granted, disabled people work really hard to maintain. Be it freedom of movement, independence and dignity are rather hard to hold on to when you have a disability. "
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"I dont agree with the amount of disabled parking spaces at my local shopping place, they are nearly always empty, I dont agree that they should be able to park on yellow lines either, I really dont agree that they should park for free either, I think they should be charged for the blue badge. I see many people who park in these spaces quite easily get out of their cars and walk off just as easily. Yes I know there are people out there that say they wouldnt manage without the "free" parking spaces but I know a fair few who are just as able bodied as the average person who have the badges.
And I wont even start on the mobility cars!
What don't you agree with the fact they get a brand new free car every 3 years with servicing and repairs done for free. Oh yeah the free insurance as well. but they don't get them for FREE "
No their higher rate mobility goes to help pay and most need to add money to get a suitable car. |
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"I dont agree with the amount of disabled parking spaces at my local shopping place, they are nearly always empty, I dont agree that they should be able to park on yellow lines either, I really dont agree that they should park for free either, I think they should be charged for the blue badge. I see many people who park in these spaces quite easily get out of their cars and walk off just as easily. Yes I know there are people out there that say they wouldnt manage without the "free" parking spaces but I know a fair few who are just as able bodied as the average person who have the badges.
And I wont even start on the mobility cars!
What don't you agree with the fact they get a brand new free car every 3 years with servicing and repairs done for free. Oh yeah the free insurance as well. but they don't get them for FREE
No their higher rate mobility goes to help pay and most need to add money to get a suitable car. "
yes I do know that, but seems a lot of people dont |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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Perhaps those able bodied who begrudge whst the disabled get should live a month as disabled and see how it feels to be treated as if you are a nuisance, a burden, a scrounger, stupid or scum. |
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"Yes agree there are people that are genuine, I wasnt saying there wasnt.
A member of my family has osteoarthritis, she drives about in a brand new BMW M sport and is getting a BMW convertable in September..... can anyone explain how these cars are meant for disabled people?
And yes they are through the mobilty scheme/centre.
I was under the understanding diabled people get allowances/benefits which could pay for the blue badges. What are yellow lines for? I thought they were to say "do not park here as its dangerous/causes obstruction"
That is the problem with the mobility scheme they are free to choose a car from any main dealer that participates and if there mobility payment does not cover it they can top up the payment to cover the short fall. But then can't afford the parking charges for it"
But you get the choice to walk to the car park a lot of disabled do not get that choice. What I would say is see if anyone close to you does a disability day and spend a day in someone's else's shoes as it were.
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"Perhaps those able bodied who begrudge whst the disabled get should live a month as disabled and see how it feels to be treated as if you are a nuisance, a burden, a scrounger, stupid or scum."
yes but you have to laugh at some, you see them struggle to walk to the shop with aid of there walking stick, then 1/2hr later you see th walking up the road shopping in both hands and the walking stick hung on their wrist
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"I didn't know that, why do disabled people get free parking then?
Because if they didn't they would most likely be unable to get out and about. You cannot afford to pay for parking when you are on benegits. Being disabled is costly. And I really get angry at people who treat the disabled as if they are shiftless shirkers.
There but for the grace of God ..."
Whoah I only asked a question, I didn't accuse them of being shiftless shirkers
Lots of people on low incomes have to pay for parking.
If they can afford to go to the out of town shopping centres they must have money to pay for petrol and the goods they are going to buy, so I am not sure why they don't have to pay for parking. |
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"Perhaps those able bodied who begrudge whst the disabled get should live a month as disabled and see how it feels to be treated as if you are a nuisance, a burden, a scrounger, stupid or scum. yes but you have to laugh at some, you see them struggle to walk to the shop with aid of there walking stick, then 1/2hr later you see th walking up the road shopping in both hands and the walking stick hung on their wrist"
I have the looks so I am told because I am in my fourty's with a blue badge. It usually stops when my guide dog gets out too |
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"Yes agree there are people that are genuine, I wasnt saying there wasnt.
A member of my family has osteoarthritis, she drives about in a brand new BMW M sport and is getting a BMW convertable in September..... can anyone explain how these cars are meant for disabled people?
And yes they are through the mobilty scheme/centre.
I was under the understanding diabled people get allowances/benefits which could pay for the blue badges. What are yellow lines for? I thought they were to say "do not park here as its dangerous/causes obstruction"
That is the problem with the mobility scheme they are free to choose a car from any main dealer that participates and if there mobility payment does not cover it they can top up the payment to cover the short fall. But then can't afford the parking charges for it
But you get the choice to walk to the car park a lot of disabled do not get that choice. What I would say is see if anyone close to you does a disability day and spend a day in someone's else's shoes as it were.
Most disabled do not want a hand out more of a hand up. "
I really don't see what having the choice to walk or not has on being able to go and choose any car they want from a dealer |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"Perhaps those able bodied who begrudge whst the disabled get should live a month as disabled and see how it feels to be treated as if you are a nuisance, a burden, a scrounger, stupid or scum. yes but you have to laugh at some, you see them struggle to walk to the shop with aid of there walking stick, then 1/2hr later you see th walking up the road shopping in both hands and the walking stick hung on their wrist"
Dont judge all disabled in the same way. Thatis grossly unfair. I spent 8 years caring for someone disabled and it was an absolute disgrace how she was treated by people who saw her in such negative terms. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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It's Thursday. That's my mitigation.
Part of being able to live like everyone else is to be able to make your own choices. Be that about living on spaghetti hoops or the type of car you drive. Yes, you have to do that within your means, whether those means are restricted by the level of assistance you receive or not.
Some things have to added into the world to get to a place where everyone is able to live in a basically equal way. Those things are NOT the SAME as GIVING EVERYONE the SAME.
An able bodied unemployed person can walk to the shops, shop locally in markets and find good options if they try. A disabled person may not be able to get to a market so has to rely on the supermarket where there are parking spaces.
Or, more commonly has to park at hospital where the parking charges are often exorbitant. Imagine having to pay that twice a week if you're on dialysis, for instance, or receiving chemo or any other regular treatment.
Things cost more for some groups in society and going on the basis that it's not fair they get something for free misses the bloody point completely.
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"Yes agree there are people that are genuine, I wasnt saying there wasnt.
A member of my family has osteoarthritis, she drives about in a brand new BMW M sport and is getting a BMW convertable in September..... can anyone explain how these cars are meant for disabled people?
And yes they are through the mobilty scheme/centre.
I was under the understanding diabled people get allowances/benefits which could pay for the blue badges. What are yellow lines for? I thought they were to say "do not park here as its dangerous/causes obstruction"
That is the problem with the mobility scheme they are free to choose a car from any main dealer that participates and if there mobility payment does not cover it they can top up the payment to cover the short fall. But then can't afford the parking charges for it
But you get the choice to walk to the car park a lot of disabled do not get that choice. What I would say is see if anyone close to you does a disability day and spend a day in someone's else's shoes as it were.
Most disabled do not want a hand out more of a hand up.
I really don't see what having the choice to walk or not has on being able to go and choose any car they want from a dealer"
My mother did not get a choice of any car. |
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"I didn't know that, why do disabled people get free parking then?
Because if they didn't they would most likely be unable to get out and about. You cannot afford to pay for parking when you are on benegits. Being disabled is costly. And I really get angry at people who treat the disabled as if they are shiftless shirkers.
There but for the grace of God ...
Whoah I only asked a question, I didn't accuse them of being shiftless shirkers
Lots of people on low incomes have to pay for parking.
If they can afford to go to the out of town shopping centres they must have money to pay for petrol and the goods they are going to buy, so I am not sure why they don't have to pay for parking. "
Not all retail parks allow for free disabled parking.
The idea is to allow freedom for disabled people, as been said being disabled is rather expensive. |
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A member of my family has osteoarthritis, she drives about in a brand new BMW M sport and is getting a BMW convertable in September..... can anyone explain how these cars are meant for disabled people?
And yes they are through the mobilty scheme/centre.
I was under the understanding diabled people get allowances/benefits which could pay for the blue badges. What are yellow lines for? I thought they were to say "do not park here as its dangerous/causes obstruction"
That is the problem with the mobility scheme they are free to choose a car from any main dealer that participates and if there mobility payment does not cover it they can top up the payment to cover the short fall. But then can't afford the parking charges for it
But you get the choice to walk to the car park a lot of disabled do not get that choice. What I would say is see if anyone close to you does a disability day and spend a day in someone's else's shoes as it were.
Most disabled do not want a hand out more of a hand up.
I really don't see what having the choice to walk or not has on being able to go and choose any car they want from a dealer"
Have a google for motability website it is not just any car |
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"Yes agree there are people that are genuine, I wasnt saying there wasnt.
A member of my family has osteoarthritis, she drives about in a brand new BMW M sport and is getting a BMW convertable in September..... can anyone explain how these cars are meant for disabled people?
And yes they are through the mobilty scheme/centre.
I was under the understanding diabled people get allowances/benefits which could pay for the blue badges. What are yellow lines for? I thought they were to say "do not park here as its dangerous/causes obstruction"
That is the problem with the mobility scheme they are free to choose a car from any main dealer that participates and if there mobility payment does not cover it they can top up the payment to cover the short fall. But then can't afford the parking charges for it
But you get the choice to walk to the car park a lot of disabled do not get that choice. What I would say is see if anyone close to you does a disability day and spend a day in someone's else's shoes as it were.
Most disabled do not want a hand out more of a hand up.
I really don't see what having the choice to walk or not has on being able to go and choose any car they want from a dealer
My mother did not get a choice of any car. "
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"I didn't know that, why do disabled people get free parking then?
Because if they didn't they would most likely be unable to get out and about. You cannot afford to pay for parking when you are on benegits. Being disabled is costly. And I really get angry at people who treat the disabled as if they are shiftless shirkers.
There but for the grace of God ...
Whoah I only asked a question, I didn't accuse them of being shiftless shirkers
Lots of people on low incomes have to pay for parking.
If they can afford to go to the out of town shopping centres they must have money to pay for petrol and the goods they are going to buy, so I am not sure why they don't have to pay for parking.
Not all retail parks allow for free disabled parking.
The idea is to allow freedom for disabled people, as been said being disabled is rather expensive. "
Extremely. It used to cost my mum thousands and her benefits certainly did not cover it. Luckily she had a private pension too. |
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"Yes agree there are people that are genuine, I wasnt saying there wasnt.
A member of my family has osteoarthritis, she drives about in a brand new BMW M sport and is getting a BMW convertable in September..... can anyone explain how these cars are meant for disabled people?
And yes they are through the mobilty scheme/centre.
I was under the understanding diabled people get allowances/benefits which could pay for the blue badges. What are yellow lines for? I thought they were to say "do not park here as its dangerous/causes obstruction"
That is the problem with the mobility scheme they are free to choose a car from any main dealer that participates and if there mobility payment does not cover it they can top up the payment to cover the short fall. But then can't afford the parking charges for it
But you get the choice to walk to the car park a lot of disabled do not get that choice. What I would say is see if anyone close to you does a disability day and spend a day in someone's else's shoes as it were.
Most disabled do not want a hand out more of a hand up.
I really don't see what having the choice to walk or not has on being able to go and choose any car they want from a dealer
My mother did not get a choice of any car. "
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"I didn't know that, why do disabled people get free parking then?
Because if they didn't they would most likely be unable to get out and about. You cannot afford to pay for parking when you are on benegits. Being disabled is costly. And I really get angry at people who treat the disabled as if they are shiftless shirkers.
There but for the grace of God ..."
So do u think people on the dole should get free parking? |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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Most disabled do not want a hand out more of a hand up.
I really don't see what having the choice to walk or not has on being able to go and choose any car they want from a dealer"
Because we don't yet live in a state where disabled people have to drive a standard grey vehicle with DISABLED PERSON blazoned on the side. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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Not all retail parks allow for free disabled parking.
The idea is to allow freedom for disabled people, as been said being disabled is rather expensive. "
So that begs the question, if money is so tight why give it up to pay for a car ? |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"Yes agree there are people that are genuine, I wasnt saying there wasnt.
A member of my family has osteoarthritis, she drives about in a brand new BMW M sport and is getting a BMW convertable in September..... can anyone explain how these cars are meant for disabled people?
And yes they are through the mobilty scheme/centre.
I was under the understanding diabled people get allowances/benefits which could pay for the blue badges. What are yellow lines for? I thought they were to say "do not park here as its dangerous/causes obstruction"
That is the problem with the mobility scheme they are free to choose a car from any main dealer that participates and if there mobility payment does not cover it they can top up the payment to cover the short fall. But then can't afford the parking charges for it
But you get the choice to walk to the car park a lot of disabled do not get that choice. What I would say is see if anyone close to you does a disability day and spend a day in someone's else's shoes as it were.
Most disabled do not want a hand out more of a hand up.
I really don't see what having the choice to walk or not has on being able to go and choose any car they want from a dealer
My mother did not get a choice of any car.
Well she would of been free to make her own choice on what make and model she wanted. "
And? She was given a limited choice. Are you suggesting she shouldn't have? She did pay for it. And without it she would have been stuck in the house for the last 8 years of her life. Or perhaps that's what she should have done and not annoyed all the nice able bodied people who wanted to park close to the door. |
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"Yes agree there are people that are genuine, I wasnt saying there wasnt.
A member of my family has osteoarthritis, she drives about in a brand new BMW M sport and is getting a BMW convertable in September..... can anyone explain how these cars are meant for disabled people?
And yes they are through the mobilty scheme/centre.
I was under the understanding diabled people get allowances/benefits which could pay for the blue badges. What are yellow lines for? I thought they were to say "do not park here as its dangerous/causes obstruction"
That is the problem with the mobility scheme they are free to choose a car from any main dealer that participates and if there mobility payment does not cover it they can top up the payment to cover the short fall. But then can't afford the parking charges for it
But you get the choice to walk to the car park a lot of disabled do not get that choice. What I would say is see if anyone close to you does a disability day and spend a day in someone's else's shoes as it were.
Most disabled do not want a hand out more of a hand up.
I really don't see what having the choice to walk or not has on being able to go and choose any car they want from a dealer"
I am blind, I shop only at sainsburys has the staff have been trained to help me. My nearest store is three miles away, I have supermarkets closer but find it almost impossible to shop in them. I can walk there no problem, I have a guide dog in one hand funded by very kind public, I wear a rucksack to carry something's and need my right hand for crossing buttons and controlling my dog. How do I bring my shopping home |
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Most disabled do not want a hand out more of a hand up.
I really don't see what having the choice to walk or not has on being able to go and choose any car they want from a dealer
Because we don't yet live in a state where disabled people have to drive a standard grey vehicle with DISABLED PERSON blazoned on the side."
And I'm glad we don't. But surely if they are getting it on Mobutu they should be offered a selection of suitable cars to pick from and not be able to go and get a 3lt BMW |
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"I didn't know that, why do disabled people get free parking then?
Because if they didn't they would most likely be unable to get out and about. You cannot afford to pay for parking when you are on benegits. Being disabled is costly. And I really get angry at people who treat the disabled as if they are shiftless shirkers.
There but for the grace of God ...
So do u think people on the dole should get free parking?"
no most disabled people have a car through necessity not through choice, without the aid if a car some would not be able to get around on public transport, for example to get to work yes some do work |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"I didn't know that, why do disabled people get free parking then?
Because if they didn't they would most likely be unable to get out and about. You cannot afford to pay for parking when you are on benegits. Being disabled is costly. And I really get angry at people who treat the disabled as if they are shiftless shirkers.
There but for the grace of God ...
So do u think people on the dole should get free parking?"
That's conflating disability with worklessness on the basis that both are on low incomes. It's not the same. Free parking for everyone encourages car use, paying for parking is one of the means of reducing over reliance on cars.
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Most disabled do not want a hand out more of a hand up.
I really don't see what having the choice to walk or not has on being able to go and choose any car they want from a dealer
Because we don't yet live in a state where disabled people have to drive a standard grey vehicle with DISABLED PERSON blazoned on the side.
And I'm glad we don't. But surely if they are getting it on Mobutu they should be offered a selection of suitable cars to pick from and not be able to go and get a 3lt BMW"
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"I didn't know that, why do disabled people get free parking then?
Because if they didn't they would most likely be unable to get out and about. You cannot afford to pay for parking when you are on benegits. Being disabled is costly. And I really get angry at people who treat the disabled as if they are shiftless shirkers.
There but for the grace of God ...
So do u think people on the dole should get free parking? no most disabled people have a car through necessity not through choice, without the aid if a car some would not be able to get around on public transport, for example to get to work yes some do work "
In which case can afford parking fees? |
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Not all retail parks allow for free disabled parking.
The idea is to allow freedom for disabled people, as been said being disabled is rather expensive.
So that begs the question, if money is so tight why give it up to pay for a car ? "
Different people have different needs. I need a big luggage space for my guide dog and her travelling cage. My mother needs a higher car to be able to sit in and be able to get out |
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Most disabled do not want a hand out more of a hand up.
I really don't see what having the choice to walk or not has on being able to go and choose any car they want from a dealer
Because we don't yet live in a state where disabled people have to drive a standard grey vehicle with DISABLED PERSON blazoned on the side.
And I'm glad we don't. But surely if they are getting it on Mobutu they should be offered a selection of suitable cars to pick from and not be able to go and get a 3lt BMW if they have to pay the diff why not a BMW "
I agree
but if they can afford the difference surely they can afford the parking fee?
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"Yes agree there are people that are genuine, I wasnt saying there wasnt.
A member of my family has osteoarthritis, she drives about in a brand new BMW M sport and is getting a BMW convertable in September..... can anyone explain how these cars are meant for disabled people?
And yes they are through the mobilty scheme/centre.
I was under the understanding diabled people get allowances/benefits which could pay for the blue badges. What are yellow lines for? I thought they were to say "do not park here as its dangerous/causes obstruction"
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they aren't available if you look on the cars available.. and just as a comparison had k wanted just the 2.0 diesel focus with titanium spec it was over 2 grand up front payment.
You can have any car motability agree suitable but mostly it's small cheap cars..
I have no average 4 appointments a week for my disabled child.. most places I park aren't free for disabled, but does give me an easier space to get her in and out of.. most of the hospitals I now use don't have free parking at either...
Trust me I would rather have my daughter fit and well and limited by her disability than a car to drive around in. |
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"Yes agree there are people that are genuine, I wasnt saying there wasnt.
A member of my family has osteoarthritis, she drives about in a brand new BMW M sport and is getting a BMW convertable in September..... can anyone explain how these cars are meant for disabled people?
And yes they are through the mobilty scheme/centre.
I was under the understanding diabled people get allowances/benefits which could pay for the blue badges. What are yellow lines for? I thought they were to say "do not park here as its dangerous/causes obstruction"
That is the problem with the mobility scheme they are free to choose a car from any main dealer that participates and if there mobility payment does not cover it they can top up the payment to cover the short fall. But then can't afford the parking charges for it
But you get the choice to walk to the car park a lot of disabled do not get that choice. What I would say is see if anyone close to you does a disability day and spend a day in someone's else's shoes as it were.
Most disabled do not want a hand out more of a hand up.
I really don't see what having the choice to walk or not has on being able to go and choose any car they want from a dealer
My mother did not get a choice of any car.
Well she would of been free to make her own choice on what make and model she wanted.
And? She was given a limited choice. Are you suggesting she shouldn't have? She did pay for it. And without it she would have been stuck in the house for the last 8 years of her life. Or perhaps that's what she should have done and not annoyed all the nice able bodied people who wanted to park close to the door."
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Most disabled do not want a hand out more of a hand up.
I really don't see what having the choice to walk or not has on being able to go and choose any car they want from a dealer
Because we don't yet live in a state where disabled people have to drive a standard grey vehicle with DISABLED PERSON blazoned on the side.
And I'm glad we don't. But surely if they are getting it on Mobutu they should be offered a selection of suitable cars to pick from and not be able to go and get a 3lt BMW if they have to pay the diff why not a BMW "
Because if they can pay the difference and also the fuel cost for it then why should the not have to pay for the parking. I think over the course of 3 years the parking would be the cheaper one. |
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Some ppl were born disabled, some have through an an accident of which they may have been partly to blame or through sport, then there are those that had it through none of the above but because of some Pissed up driver who did have the choice weather to get in his car after drink |
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Most disabled do not want a hand out more of a hand up.
I really don't see what having the choice to walk or not has on being able to go and choose any car they want from a dealer
Because we don't yet live in a state where disabled people have to drive a standard grey vehicle with DISABLED PERSON blazoned on the side.
And I'm glad we don't. But surely if they are getting it on Mobutu they should be offered a selection of suitable cars to pick from and not be able to go and get a 3lt BMW if they have to pay the diff why not a BMW
Because if they can pay the difference and also the fuel cost for it then why should the not have to pay for the parking. I think over the course of 3 years the parking would be the cheaper one. "
why don't the have to pay for parking, because they don't that's why |
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Most disabled do not want a hand out more of a hand up.
I really don't see what having the choice to walk or not has on being able to go and choose any car they want from a dealer
Because we don't yet live in a state where disabled people have to drive a standard grey vehicle with DISABLED PERSON blazoned on the side.
And I'm glad we don't. But surely if they are getting it on Mobutu they should be offered a selection of suitable cars to pick from and not be able to go and get a 3lt BMW if they have to pay the diff why not a BMW
Because if they can pay the difference and also the fuel cost for it then why should the not have to pay for the parking. I think over the course of 3 years the parking would be the cheaper one. why don't the have to pay for parking, because they don't that's why"
It does vary dependant on area. |
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"I am sure most people are empathetic towards anyone that needs one and wouldn't want to swop places with them so that goes without saying and not really the subject "
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Most disabled do not want a hand out more of a hand up.
I really don't see what having the choice to walk or not has on being able to go and choose any car they want from a dealer
Because we don't yet live in a state where disabled people have to drive a standard grey vehicle with DISABLED PERSON blazoned on the side.
And I'm glad we don't. But surely if they are getting it on Mobutu they should be offered a selection of suitable cars to pick from and not be able to go and get a 3lt BMW if they have to pay the diff why not a BMW
Because if they can pay the difference and also the fuel cost for it then why should the not have to pay for the parking. I think over the course of 3 years the parking would be the cheaper one. why don't the have to pay for parking, because they don't that's why"
Thanks for the great input there very informative. |
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"I am sure most people are empathetic towards anyone that needs one and wouldn't want to swop places with them so that goes without saying and not really the subject ah but the op never mentioned paying for parking either"
No but it was mentioned early on and roles into the parking question in the op |
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And you can have a blue badge and have any car. The grief I used to get parking in my modified car was stupid.
I hated having to justify myself. Although if my daughters not with me I don't park there obviously. |
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Most disabled do not want a hand out more of a hand up.
I really don't see what having the choice to walk or not has on being able to go and choose any car they want from a dealer
Because we don't yet live in a state where disabled people have to drive a standard grey vehicle with DISABLED PERSON blazoned on the side.
And I'm glad we don't. But surely if they are getting it on Mobutu they should be offered a selection of suitable cars to pick from and not be able to go and get a 3lt BMW if they have to pay the diff why not a BMW
Because if they can pay the difference and also the fuel cost for it then why should the not have to pay for the parking. I think over the course of 3 years the parking would be the cheaper one. why don't the have to pay for parking, because they don't that's why
Thanks for the great input there very informative. "
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"I am sure most people are empathetic towards anyone that needs one and wouldn't want to swop places with them so that goes without saying and not really the subject ah but the op never mentioned paying for parking either"
They did, on the third post.
For anyone who doesn't understand my post, what I meant was, I can't see the need to keep being reminded that able bodied people wouldn't want to have a disabled car as that would mean they were disabled.
This goes without saying for me |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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Like with threads discussing race/religion there is a lot of ignorance, prejudice, misinformed opinions and downright bigotry.
Appalling what people begrudge the disabled of. They get this and that and I don't poor me.
They get to be excluded from a lot of society. They get to be abused and accused. They get to die younger and live poorer lives in so many ways. If we, as a society, can ease their struggles then I for one do not begrudge them one tiny bit. |
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"And you can have a blue badge and have any car. The grief I used to get parking in my modified car was stupid.
I hated having to justify myself. Although if my daughters not with me I don't park there obviously. "
That's another thing the blue badges are open to abuse as I know someone that has one for his mother but she is never in the car with him and he parks were he feels like. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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I personally think you are taking this way too personal DB....it is a discussion about parking, nothing more....putting words into peoples mouths and reading into posts that are not there doesn't help anyone |
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"Like with threads discussing race/religion there is a lot of ignorance, prejudice, misinformed opinions and downright bigotry.
Appalling what people begrudge the disabled of. They get this and that and I don't poor me.
They get to be excluded from a lot of society. They get to be abused and accused. They get to die younger and live poorer lives in so many ways. If we, as a society, can ease their struggles then I for one do not begrudge them one tiny bit."
A lot of people who don't have disabilitys have to live there lives in a similar way but still have to pay to park |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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Parking isn't free for disabled people throughout the country. In some areas it's the first hour that is free and in others it's entirely free. Private properties, such as supermarkets and hospitals, can do what they like on charging. If they choose to make parking free for some customers and not others that is up to them. |
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"I am sure most people are empathetic towards anyone that needs one and wouldn't want to swop places with them so that goes without saying and not really the subject ah but the op never mentioned paying for parking either
No but it was mentioned early on and roles into the parking question in the op"
well maybe ppl should stick to the Q the op posted and answer that |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"And you can have a blue badge and have any car. The grief I used to get parking in my modified car was stupid.
I hated having to justify myself. Although if my daughters not with me I don't park there obviously.
That's another thing the blue badges are open to abuse as I know someone that has one for his mother but she is never in the car with him and he parks were he feels like. "
I had the blue badge for my aunt, when she was alive with motor neurone disease, as I drove her to her appointments. It had her picture on it. If I were challenged it would have been easy enough to see that the badge did not apply to me. |
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A lot of people who don't have disabilitys have to live there lives in a similar way but still have to pay to park"
not being funny but have you any idea how hard it is now to get the highest rate that qualifies you for the blue badges.... ?
Do you realise the actual severity of illness or disability you have to suffer? The way it affects the family as a whole...?
It isn't exactly a walk in the park. |
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"And you can have a blue badge and have any car. The grief I used to get parking in my modified car was stupid.
I hated having to justify myself. Although if my daughters not with me I don't park there obviously.
That's another thing the blue badges are open to abuse as I know someone that has one for his mother but she is never in the car with him and he parks were he feels like.
I had the blue badge for my aunt, when she was alive with motor neurone disease, as I drove her to her appointments. It had her picture on it. If I were challenged it would have been easy enough to see that the badge did not apply to me."
Yeah the majority of people probably wouldn't abuse them. But there's always some that do. Not hard to say you've left them further up and have come to get the car to pick them up as they couldn't make it |
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"And you can have a blue badge and have any car. The grief I used to get parking in my modified car was stupid.
I hated having to justify myself. Although if my daughters not with me I don't park there obviously.
That's another thing the blue badges are open to abuse as I know someone that has one for his mother but she is never in the car with him and he parks were he feels like. "
I am sure the police read these threads but just in case they have missed it report him and get the badge removed from him. |
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"I am sure most people are empathetic towards anyone that needs one and wouldn't want to swop places with them so that goes without saying and not really the subject ah but the op never mentioned paying for parking either
No but it was mentioned early on and roles into the parking question in the opwell maybe ppl should stick to the Q the op posted and answer that "
Actually the OP themselves skipped from the number of parking spaces for disabled....to whether or not they should pay to park or not....to whether they should be able to purchase a car on the Mobility scheme.
It's very obvious that shopping centre car parks don't generally designate a quarter of their parking spaces for disabled shoppers, I'm sure that most of us will never have seen that in the car park of their local stores. It's certainly not the industry standard.
It would be financially crippling for store owners to alienate the vast majority of their customers...who are able bodied.
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"I am sure most people are empathetic towards anyone that needs one and wouldn't want to swop places with them so that goes without saying and not really the subject ah but the op never mentioned paying for parking either
No but it was mentioned early on and roles into the parking question in the opwell maybe ppl should stick to the Q the op posted and answer that
Actually the OP themselves skipped from the number of parking spaces for disabled....to whether or not they should pay to park or not....to whether they should be able to purchase a car on the Mobility scheme.
It's very obvious that shopping centre car parks don't generally designate a quarter of their parking spaces for disabled shoppers, I'm sure that most of us will never have seen that in the car park of their local stores. It's certainly not the industry standard.
It would be financially crippling for store owners to alienate the vast majority of their customers...who are able bodied.
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Sounds like sour grapes to me.
No wonder those with disabilities are running scared.
Lets not forget that it is the able bodied that are abusing the disabled persons rights, not the disabled!
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"I dont agree with the amount of disabled parking spaces at my local shopping place, they are nearly always empty, I dont agree that they should be able to park on yellow lines either, I really dont agree that they should park for free either, I think they should be charged for the blue badge. I see many people who park in these spaces quite easily get out of their cars and walk off just as easily. Yes I know there are people out there that say they wouldnt manage without the "free" parking spaces but I know a fair few who are just as able bodied as the average person who have the badges.
And I wont even start on the mobility cars!"
Would you feel better if they opened the door, fell on the floor and crawled into the shop? |
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"I dont agree with the amount of disabled parking spaces at my local shopping place, they are nearly always empty, I dont agree that they should be able to park on yellow lines either, I really dont agree that they should park for free either, I think they should be charged for the blue badge. I see many people who park in these spaces quite easily get out of their cars and walk off just as easily. Yes I know there are people out there that say they wouldnt manage without the "free" parking spaces but I know a fair few who are just as able bodied as the average person who have the badges.
And I wont even start on the mobility cars!
Would you feel better if they opened the door, fell on the floor and crawled into the shop?"
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"I am sure most people are empathetic towards anyone that needs one and wouldn't want to swop places with them so that goes without saying and not really the subject ah but the op never mentioned paying for parking either
No but it was mentioned early on and roles into the parking question in the opwell maybe ppl should stick to the Q the op posted and answer that
Actually the OP themselves skipped from the number of parking spaces for disabled....to whether or not they should pay to park or not....to whether they should be able to purchase a car on the Mobility scheme.
It's very obvious that shopping centre car parks don't generally designate a quarter of their parking spaces for disabled shoppers, I'm sure that most of us will never have seen that in the car park of their local stores. It's certainly not the industry standard.
It would be financially crippling for store owners to alienate the vast majority of their customers...who are able bodied.
Sounds like sour grapes to me.
No wonder those with disabilities are running scared.
Lets not forget that it is the able bodied that are abusing the disabled persons rights, not the disabled!
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When a shopping centre is built, every detail including parking facilities, have to go through the Planning process.
The local Planning department will, with the assistance and input of the developer, decide on the requirement for disabled parking spaces.
The Department For Transport issue guidelines for disabled parking facilities in the form of a DFT Traffic Advisory Leaflet.
That currently recommends 6% of all spaces should be allocated for disabled parking.
6% is not a quarter....25% is.
So in short, this store the Op visited isn't the norm, it's the exception.
But I guess that wasn't the real reason for the thread....just a taster to start the ball rolling. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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I don't believe in bestowing sainthood on disabled people. They are people and as in all walks of life there will be good, law-abiding people and some that will step out of the societal acceptable norm.
Listen to Disability: A New History on R4 (first week in June, I think). It's very interesting and nothing to do with car parking spaces in shopping centres.
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"When a shopping centre is built, every detail including parking facilities, have to go through the Planning process.
The local Planning department will, with the assistance and input of the developer, decide on the requirement for disabled parking spaces.
The Department For Transport issue guidelines for disabled parking facilities in the form of a DFT Traffic Advisory Leaflet.
That currently recommends 6% of all spaces should be allocated for disabled parking.
6% is not a quarter....25% is.
So in short, this store the Op visited isn't the norm, it's the exception.
But I guess that wasn't the real reason for the thread....just a taster to start the ball rolling."
No one has said this is the norm I was asking if anyone else has noticed the amount of disabled space increasing and in some cases to an point where it is over kill and like most discussions on any subject there is other things related to it that will be discussed. |
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"I am sure most people are empathetic towards anyone that needs one and wouldn't want to swop places with them so that goes without saying and not really the subject ah but the op never mentioned paying for parking either
No but it was mentioned early on and roles into the parking question in the opwell maybe ppl should stick to the Q the op posted and answer that
Actually the OP themselves skipped from the number of parking spaces for disabled....to whether or not they should pay to park or not....to whether they should be able to purchase a car on the Mobility scheme.
It's very obvious that shopping centre car parks don't generally designate a quarter of their parking spaces for disabled shoppers, I'm sure that most of us will never have seen that in the car park of their local stores. It's certainly not the industry standard.
It would be financially crippling for store owners to alienate the vast majority of their customers...who are able bodied.
Sounds like sour grapes to me.
No wonder those with disabilities are running scared.
Lets not forget that it is the able bodied that are abusing the disabled persons rights, not the disabled!
Oh yeah and a disable person has never abused the system. What a silly thing to say. "
If you can explain how a genuinely disabled person can abuse the system then I will agree with you.
By the very fact that they are abusing cheating the system means that they are not disabled.
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"I personally think you are taking this way too personal DB....it is a discussion about parking, nothing more....putting words into peoples mouths and reading into posts that are not there doesn't help anyone "
Yes I am taking it personally. It's actually upsetting me. So probably best if I don't post any more. I shall most likely end up with a ban if I do. |
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"I dont agree with the amount of disabled parking spaces at my local shopping place, they are nearly always empty, I dont agree that they should be able to park on yellow lines either, I really dont agree that they should park for free either, I think they should be charged for the blue badge. I see many people who park in these spaces quite easily get out of their cars and walk off just as easily. Yes I know there are people out there that say they wouldnt manage without the "free" parking spaces but I know a fair few who are just as able bodied as the average person who have the badges.
And I wont even start on the mobility cars!"
I work with disabled children all of whom can easily get out a car and walk to shop, I can not stress enough how much easier it is for us all to be able to park near the shop entry as that 2 maybe 5 min walk from car park can be the difference between a child enjoying the trip and a child hating the trip. Just because their disability can not be seen does not make them any the less disabled. |
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"I dont agree with the amount of disabled parking spaces at my local shopping place, they are nearly always empty, I dont agree that they should be able to park on yellow lines either, I really dont agree that they should park for free either, I think they should be charged for the blue badge. I see many people who park in these spaces quite easily get out of their cars and walk off just as easily. Yes I know there are people out there that say they wouldnt manage without the "free" parking spaces but I know a fair few who are just as able bodied as the average person who have the badges.
And I wont even start on the mobility cars!
I work with disabled children all of whom can easily get out a car and walk to shop, I can not stress enough how much easier it is for us all to be able to park near the shop entry as that 2 maybe 5 min walk from car park can be the difference between a child enjoying the trip and a child hating the trip. Just because their disability can not be seen does not make them any the less disabled. "
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My local shopping haunt has several rows of disabled parking, and also rows of parent/child parking. I prefer to see overkill, empty spaces of those variety are not an issue, seeing disabled people, or parents with children struggle is an issue.
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By *londeCazWoman
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"And you can have a blue badge and have any car. The grief I used to get parking in my modified car was stupid.
I hated having to justify myself. Although if my daughters not with me I don't park there obviously.
That's another thing the blue badges are open to abuse as I know someone that has one for his mother but she is never in the car with him and he parks were he feels like. "
My mam has a blue badge, I use it in my car when I take her for hossie appointments etc. it has her picture on it, not sure how it would work for someone having a badge on behalf of someone else who I'm guessing may not drive (my mam does, but only round town). When I was struggling to walk with my sciatica and after my hip replacement, I occasionally borrowed Mam's badge as its displayed with the picture not visible - were I to be challenged, I'd have had to 'fess up to not being the registered owner of the badge and taken whatever punishment, but I'd have hoped I'd have been looked upon a bit sympathetically being on crutches (I wasn't allowed a blue badge myself as I'd get better eventually)
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