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By *isscheekychops OP Woman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Do you condone "revenge" attacks....As it has been in the News that one of Lee Rigby murderers has been attacked in prison??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No , not at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nope ...

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By *livia_KWoman over a year ago

South London

Not one bit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

for people like that yes.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman over a year ago

Kent

I'd love to say no. I should say no,

BUT

if it were someone In prison who'd hurt my son or another family member or close friend I'm not sure I'd feel the same.

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By *livia_KWoman over a year ago

South London

"I'd love to say no. I should say no,

BUT

if it were someone In prison who'd hurt my son or another family member or close friend I'm not sure I'd feel the same. "

Understanding why someone would be violent towards a person like that is very different to condoning it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd love to say no. I should say no,

BUT

if it were someone In prison who'd hurt my son or another family member or close friend I'm not sure I'd feel the same. "

I'm with this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No it makes them no better although i can understand the reasoning more

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I hope they hurt him

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If I was there I wouldn't try to stop people attacking them, no.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If it's true, I'm sure he'll sue and earn thousands

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you condone "revenge" attacks....As it has been in the News that one of Lee Rigby murderers has been attacked in prison??

"
..Good news to hear that

.The prick still alive??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope they hurt him "
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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A revenge attack would be murder a good hiding does not really cut it in this case.

I don't condone it but he bought it on himself he lost two teeth according to the report.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't condone it no. I do see why some people feel the need for violent revenge attacks as our justice service is so very outdated and totally not justified!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you condone "revenge" attacks....As it has been in the News that one of Lee Rigby murderers has been attacked in prison??

..Good news to hear that

.The prick still alive??

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By * Jay69Man over a year ago

Bridgwater - Somerset

Unconditional condemn it.

Hate and a desire for vengeance are not good personality traits.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is a question not a judgement. If we attack or murder people who have done this to others, does it not make us just like them? Or does it depend who the person has attacked or killed to make it right that they should be?

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By *livia_KWoman over a year ago

South London

"Unconditional condemn it.

Hate and a desire for vengeance are not good personality traits. "

I'm with you on this. Seeing people give this sort of behaviour multiple thumbs up actually makes me feel sick. Wanting to lower ourselves to the same level as psychos like those killers is not a sign of a civilised human being.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

2 wrongs do not make a right.

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By *ucsparkMan over a year ago

dudley

I understand why someone does it, I have even done it myself once. It left a nasty taste, one that I never want to repeat. When the courts work good revenge is never needed, it pulls you down to there level.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No, i do not condone it. All this 'eye for an eye' shite does my head in. Where does it end?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Unconditional condemn it.

Hate and a desire for vengeance are not good personality traits.

Me too....my son lost his sight to an attack after standing up to bullies....i could have gone round to each house and kicked off and god knows i do want them punished....but im doing it the right way and one is now on remand and another 2 waiting for court.

Beatung them wont bring him back and its just more violence

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

No, never. What are we? A nation of vigilante thugs?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can understand if the attacker was a past victim (or immediate family member) of the person he attacked. But not condone it.

If it is someone unconnected, then they set themselves up as a one man rent-a-mob and they are using the other persons past (and punished) misdemeanours, to vent their own violent tendencies, justifying it by telling everyone they are doing us a favour. They are thugs, pure and simple.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"No, i do not condone it. All this 'eye for an eye' shite does my head in. Where does it end? "

According to Ghandi it makes the whole world blind.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't condone it either, its just one vicious cycle of violence that solves nothing

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No, i do not condone it. All this 'eye for an eye' shite does my head in. Where does it end? "

I wouldn't want to sink to their level

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No, i do not condone it. All this 'eye for an eye' shite does my head in. Where does it end?

According to Ghandi it makes the whole world blind."

Exactly. I'm amazed at the mentallity of people sometimes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No, i do not condone it. All this 'eye for an eye' shite does my head in. Where does it end?

According to Ghandi it makes the whole world blind."

Ghandi is hardly the person to quote in this instance - he was very racist against black people of African origin.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If someone seriously injured my son or killed him on purpose then I would go to the ends of the earth to inflict the same to them. I know people would frown upon this but thats how I feel

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wouldn't personally do it, but I it doesn't sadden me when I hear it has happened. I know the taking away of their liberty is the punishment but in some rare cases it just doesn't seem enough. Some people don't actually mind being in prison...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If someone seriously injured my son or killed him on purpose then I would go to the ends of the earth to inflict the same to them. I know people would frown upon this but thats how I feel"

I totally agree with you. If anyone hurt any of my children i would do whatever it took to do the same to them. Rightly or wrongly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If someone seriously injured my son or killed him on purpose then I would go to the ends of the earth to inflict the same to them. I know people would frown upon this but thats how I feel"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In the case of this guy, rapists peados etc yes I agree with revenge attacks - the more the merrier. Hopefully next time they'll do him over properly - like he did with the poor young soldier

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If someone seriously injured my son or killed him on purpose then I would go to the ends of the earth to inflict the same to them. I know people would frown upon this but thats how I feel

I totally agree with you. If anyone hurt any of my children i would do whatever it took to do the same to them. Rightly or wrongly. "

i would feel like it as you feel protective towards your kids even when they are grown up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In the case of this guy, rapists peados etc yes I agree with revenge attacks - the more the merrier. Hopefully next time they'll do him over properly - like he did with the poor young soldier"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If someone seriously injured my son or killed him on purpose then I would go to the ends of the earth to inflict the same to them. I know people would frown upon this but thats how I feel

I totally agree with you. If anyone hurt any of my children i would do whatever it took to do the same to them. Rightly or wrongly.

i would feel like it as you feel protective towards your kids even when they are grown up

You do and as much as i hate those who hurt my son what would i be teaching him if i went and did the same...that violence is the answer to it?

Ive gone through the right channels and am trying to teach him not to be beaten down by them...karma is a bitch and they will have lots of time in a cell to think.

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By *ingleguy1973Man over a year ago

peterborough

I would like to say I don't condone revenge attacks and justice will be done by our legal system and courts but given what those two did to Lee Rigby, justice will never be done while they are still breathing.

They should hang for what they did. I won't lose a nano-second of sleep over it if either of them get attacked in prison. I would quite happily give both of them a double tap to the back of the head and the only remorse I would feel is that they didn't suffer enough before they died!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Here we go again. Yeah hang em etc etc.

The reality is that people who do this who have no relation whatsoever with the man murdered are just as thuggish as the people who committed the original crime. They're not Heroes they're thugs! And all of you who thumbs up, how sad how very sad

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By *ingleguy1973Man over a year ago

peterborough

When they killed Lee Rigby, they did it not because of who he was but because of what he was; a serving British soldier. In doing so, and given their motives they attacked all of us, our beliefs, our way of life and our country and everything it stands for. And for that, the pair of sick mother fuckers deserve to hang.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

its a thunny old thursday

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And the people that think that a revenge attack is a triple thumbs up, are attacking the princinples of justice and legal system that those same soldiers protect. Revenge attacks and vigilante behaviour is contrary to the military and civilian codes. Beating the killers doesn't make you big or clever it shows that they too are "sick mother fuckers" thugs I'm afraid not heroes, oh and what are his attackers in for?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As much as I'd love to give them a kicking for what they did

Treating violence with violence just creates more violence

A viscous circle which just causes more pain and anguish for innocent people who get caught up in it all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As much as I'd love to give them a kicking for what they did

Treating violence with violence just creates more violence

A viscous circle which just causes more pain and anguish for innocent people who get caught up in it all. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As much as I'd love to give them a kicking for what they did

Treating violence with violence just creates more violence

A viscous circle which just causes more pain and anguish for innocent people who get caught up in it all. "

And that's what separates us from them. We may want to (and keyboard warriors will no doubt tell you how they'd do it and not lose sleep) but we choose to take a different road

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By *ingleguy1973Man over a year ago

peterborough

If only we got justice from our legal system. Sucessive weak and liberal governments and equally weak and liberal judges have eroded our legal system. If criminals were truely punished for thir crimes and that punishment reflected the severity of the crime we wouldn't be having this debate. If you asked the people of this country what they think of law and order, the vast majority would say jails are too soft and sentences too short. So when the Government time and time again, ignore the wishes of the electorate, there will come a time when people will take the law into their own hands... and in this case, these two deserve everything they get.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As much as I'd love to give them a kicking for what they did

Treating violence with violence just creates more violence

A viscous circle which just causes more pain and anguish for innocent people who get caught up in it all.

And that's what separates us from them. We may want to (and keyboard warriors will no doubt tell you how they'd do it and not lose sleep) but we choose to take a different road"

I could do it and not lose sleep!! Don't get me wrong...but I've seen too much violence and the effects it has on the innocents involved.

That's not my life style anymore.

There's always karma to come kick you up the arse.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

there is seeing red..utterly enraged

then there is seeing a plan...unless their brains are slow processing rage, an uncontrolled rage that last for days then plan the revenge attack

one these clearly shows a real imbalance in the brain!

and yeahh it happened in prison, heads up to a probable murderer,pedophile ,rapist for setting things right..I for one feel really proud

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What's that saying again??

Oh yeah....

Then the Law is an Ass!!!

Very true in this country now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What's that saying again??

Oh yeah....

Then the Law is an Ass!!!

Very true in this country now. "

Is it? The majority of judgements are wrong are they? I'm sorry but what era are you harking am back to?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What's that saying again??

Oh yeah....

Then the Law is an Ass!!!

Very true in this country now.

Is it? The majority of judgements are wrong are they? I'm sorry but what era are you harking am back to?"

I believe so when it comes to sentencing these days.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What's that saying again??

Oh yeah....

Then the Law is an Ass!!!

Very true in this country now.

Is it? The majority of judgements are wrong are they? I'm sorry but what era are you harking am back to?

I believe so when it comes to sentencing these days. "

As opposed to when? The thing is you only ever hear about the unusual ones, not the 1000's that aren't unusual. Could it be improved? Obviously as nothing is perfect. However when exactly would you change it back to? When was this perfect time? When did it work the way "the majority of the population" agreed with it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yep for the right reason

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What's that saying again??

Oh yeah....

Then the Law is an Ass!!!

Very true in this country now.

Is it? The majority of judgements are wrong are they? I'm sorry but what era are you harking am back to?

I believe so when it comes to sentencing these days.

I just feel the law and courts over the last 5 or so years have got softer.

There's too much of this human rights crap being pulled.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm afraid we have totally different views of the law and legislation. Human rights crap is only crap when you single out one or two judgements not the majoriyy of ones That protect the vulnerable. I'm a bit confused as to which article of the human rights "everyone" wants to get rid of.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

So when the Government time and time again, ignore the wishes of the electorate, there will come a time when people will take the law into their own hands... "

I find that viewpoint totally out of touch with the majority of our society thankfully..

pretty similar in its isolated, extremist and dangerous perspective as the 2 guys who murdered Lee Rigby are to the majority of Muslims..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it's a case of what goes around comes around. I know if anyone did something serious to one of my kids and there was no doubt it was them. I would make sure I got to them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think it's a case of what goes around comes around. I know if anyone did something serious to one of my kids and there was no doubt it was them. I would make sure I got to them.

These weren't your kids though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So when the Government time and time again, ignore the wishes of the electorate, there will come a time when people will take the law into their own hands...

I find that viewpoint totally out of touch with the majority of our society thankfully..

pretty similar in its isolated, extremist and dangerous perspective as the 2 guys who murdered Lee Rigby are to the majority of Muslims.."

Absolutely. Extremism at both ends of the Spectrum is wrong

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wouldn't personally do it, but I it doesn't sadden me when I hear it has happened. I know the taking away of their liberty is the punishment but in some rare cases it just doesn't seem enough. Some people don't actually mind being in prison..."

I agree...I don't condone these actions but if I'd had the opportunity to stop him being attacked I probably would have turned a blind eye. Two wrongs don't make a right at all but in this instance I can't honestly say I sympathise at all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sorry but what goes around comes around.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think it's a case of what goes around comes around. I know if anyone did something serious to one of my kids and there was no doubt it was them. I would make sure I got to them.

These weren't your kids though. "

no but he was somebody's son. I think serves them right. What goes around comes around and hope they get a life of hell

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By *emmefataleWoman over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

I think there a lot of people that say stuff on threads like this baying for bloody, and in reality would do fuck all.

Two wrongs don't make a right and this is such an emotive subject, I would still leave it to the criminal justice system.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well I'm clearly out of touch with the "majority of the British public" and I'd just like to say thank god I am. Making a hero out of a thug is so far away from my concept of acceptable behaviour I can't begin to explain.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"I'm afraid we have totally different views of the law and legislation. Human rights crap is only crap when you single out one or two judgements not the majoriyy of ones That protect the vulnerable. I'm a bit confused as to which article of the human rights "everyone" wants to get rid of."

The ones that make their argument fall down lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Definitely not. It's amazing how so many people in prison can be judgemental about other people's crimes, as though theirs are somehow superior. "I shot a guy for money, but HE killed a soldier..." Oh, get lost.

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By *ysteryboatMan over a year ago

Brighton

people write about the legal system serving up our justice - it doesn't.

when a person commits irrefutable, cold-blooded murder, it is just that they should be killed in return. our legal system does not provide such justice. a person who brings justice by murdering a murderer in such circumstances is more the arbiter of justice than the legal system - at least in my eyes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I can understand if the attacker was a past victim (or immediate family member) of the person he attacked. But not condone it.

everyone they are doing us a favour. They are thugs, pure and simple."

This I agree with.

In prison it is survival of the fittest. The woolwich murder is a high profile case. I imagine the violence the perpetrator suffered was not because the inmates were shocked at this crime, there will be many murderers amongst themselves, it is merely an excuse to gain a bit of notoriety, to maintain leadership and the chance for a bit of violence.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

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By *ingleguy1973Man over a year ago

peterborough

Is it? The majority of judgements are wrong are they? I'm sorry but what era are you harking am back to?"

The era when murders were hung for their crimes, the era when prison was a punishment not a holiday camp, when prisoners didn't have TVs and playstations in their cells, state of the art gyms, christmas parties etc. And the era when the protecting Human Rights meant preventing another holocaust not stopping foreign criminals from being deported because they own a pet cat in this country or something equally trivial or allowing prisoners to vote.

Finally, I am not making out whoever attacked Lee Rigby's killer to be a hero. He is not. He is a criiminal serving a prison sentence. But I don't blame him for what he has done. I believe Lee Rigby's killers deserve everything they get.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

get a pat on the back for committing a crime in prison, maybe get a pardon!

then appear on tv shows..or get a classic film role in a tv reality show like the running man

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't condone it at all but I can understand why it happens.

Mark Bridger, who murdered little April Jones, was attacked and had his face slashed by an inmate. My fist though was serves him right for what he put that little girl, her parents and the whole community through!

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By *ingleguy1973Man over a year ago

peterborough

"get a pat on the back for committing a crime in prison, maybe get a pardon!

then appear on tv shows..or get a classic film role in a tv reality show like the running man"

Blatently not what I said but if it makes you happy to think that is what I said you carry on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is it? The majority of judgements are wrong are they? I'm sorry but what era are you harking am back to?

Wow, not sure where to begin with that

The cat thing by the way is bollocks and wasn't the reason for the judgement. Play stations? Have you any idea what goes on in prison? Holiday camp? I've done work in a children's prison and it's not somewhere I'd want to spend any time at all.

Aside from all of that the era you so fondly look back on is also the one where prisons fundamentally did not work, rates of reoffending were higher and the deterrent didn't exist. However aside from all of that let's not get the actual facts get in the way. Actually read the human rights act and tell me which articles you disagree with? Look at some of the judgements which you didn't read in the tabloids and then get back to me.

Btw patting a criminal on the back for committing another crime is reprehensible.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

Is it? The majority of judgements are wrong are they? I'm sorry but what era are you harking am back to?

Have you ever been anywhere near a prison ? A real one, not one off Eastenders, or Prisoner Cell Block H ?

Have you ever read The Human Rights Act ?

Does your justification for summary, vigilante retribution apply to all prisoners, or just the ones you deem 'worthy' ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is it? The majority of judgements are wrong are they? I'm sorry but what era are you harking am back to?

Have you ever been anywhere near a prison ? A real one, not one off Eastenders, or Prisoner Cell Block H ?

Have you ever read The Human Rights Act ?

Does your justification for summary, vigilante retribution apply to all prisoners, or just the ones you deem 'worthy' ?"

Don't forget that the era we're talking about would also make much of what we do on here illegal as well punishable by jail time which would be interesting. The HRA by the way is a piece of legislation that means that UK nationals can not be extradited to a country that allows for torture or executions. So if you go on holiday and get d*unk and screw up one the of the local laws and make it home, you won't be sent back. So it works both ways I'm afraid. But of course none of you would ever break any laws abroad......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

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.he might like that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Kill them all let God sort them out

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the law

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the law"
Same here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming. "

Where's the irony?

This guy chose to brake the law that provides him with protection

He chose to break the law and thus ostracise himself from the community.

We as citizens also have responsibilities to abide by the law.

We have rights as well as responsibilities

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming.

Where's the irony?

This guy chose to brake the law that provides him with protection

He chose to break the law and thus ostracise himself from the community.

We as citizens also have responsibilities to abide by the law.

We have rights as well as responsibilities

And yet you condone others breaking the law in order to seek retribution. That"s one of our "responsibilities to abide by the law" or do you want to choose the laws that only suit you?

What definition of irony are you using?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

its easy to say u dont agree with revenge attacks but i gotta say if someone attacked and killed/seriously injured the scumbag that murdered my cousin (his own wife) in front of thier 3 year old daughter, i think my family would prob have a celebration!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

sometimes people get what they deserve.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

sometimes people get what they deserve.

How strange it is. That's probably what these fuckwits thought they were doing when they killed a soldier. They probably thought they were gaining revenge for the people that were killed in Afghanistan and Iraq ad Pakistan. They probably felt like he "got what he deserved".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"get a pat on the back for committing a crime in prison, maybe get a pardon!

then appear on tv shows..or get a classic film role in a tv reality show like the running man

Blatently not what I said but if it makes you happy to think that is what I said you carry on."

I would have quoted what u said when I gave my post...thats when its useful to know who ur directing a comment to

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming.

Where's the irony?

This guy chose to brake the law that provides him with protection

He chose to break the law and thus ostracise himself from the community.

We as citizens also have responsibilities to abide by the law.

We have rights as well as responsibilities

And yet you condone others breaking the law in order to seek retribution. That"s one of our "responsibilities to abide by the law" or do you want to choose the laws that only suit you?

What definition of irony are you using? "

Maybe you have a reading problem

I said this guy should not have the same rights to the law, as other abiding citizens do.

So how is the guy assaulting him breaking the law if the murderer (can't remember his name) does not have the right to law?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

sometimes people get what they deserve.

Maybe so

But they broke the law in doing so

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

sometimes people get what they deserve.

"
What goes around,comes around.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming.

Where's the irony?

This guy chose to brake the law that provides him with protection

He chose to break the law and thus ostracise himself from the community.

We as citizens also have responsibilities to abide by the law.

We have rights as well as responsibilities

And yet you condone others breaking the law in order to seek retribution. That"s one of our "responsibilities to abide by the law" or do you want to choose the laws that only suit you?

What definition of irony are you using?

Maybe you have a reading problem

I said this guy should not have the same rights to the law, as other abiding citizens do.

So how is the guy assaulting him breaking the law if the murderer (can't remember his name) does not have the right to law?

Maybe I do have a reading problem, tends to happen when something makes no sense whatsoever.

Because the bloke who is accused of breaking the law is also currently protected by the law, so advocating that someone breaks a law (that currently exists) is also a crime. Or are you just going to pick and choose which laws should or shouldn't apply? Sort of

Like the people who committed the

Orginal crime.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That police woman spared their live's by not shooting them dead,id have shoot them fuckers in the head just to make sure.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That police woman spared their live's by not shooting them dead,id have shoot them fuckers in the head just to make sure.

Of course you would

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Love to.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming.

Where's the irony?

This guy chose to brake the law that provides him with protection

He chose to break the law and thus ostracise himself from the community.

We as citizens also have responsibilities to abide by the law.

We have rights as well as responsibilities

And yet you condone others breaking the law in order to seek retribution. That"s one of our "responsibilities to abide by the law" or do you want to choose the laws that only suit you?

What definition of irony are you using?

Maybe you have a reading problem

I said this guy should not have the same rights to the law, as other abiding citizens do.

So how is the guy assaulting him breaking the law if the murderer (can't remember his name) does not have the right to law?

Maybe I do have a reading problem, tends to happen when something makes no sense whatsoever.

Like the people who committed the

Orginal crime. "

Once again you have a reading problem

Read slowly....

I believe he does not deserve the protection of the law

This man has time and time again broken the law.

Thus he should be stripped of his right to the law.

Thus the guy who has assaulted him has not broken the law as adbolajo would not be protected by the law

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Love to.

Me too

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By *irtyGirlWoman over a year ago

Edinburgh

You know when you read a thread and when you're done you wished you hadn't... that moment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming.

Where's the irony?

This guy chose to brake the law that provides him with protection

He chose to break the law and thus ostracise himself from the community.

We as citizens also have responsibilities to abide by the law.

We have rights as well as responsibilities

And yet you condone others breaking the law in order to seek retribution. That"s one of our "responsibilities to abide by the law" or do you want to choose the laws that only suit you?

What definition of irony are you using?

Maybe you have a reading problem

I said this guy should not have the same rights to the law, as other abiding citizens do.

So how is the guy assaulting him breaking the law if the murderer (can't remember his name) does not have the right to law?

Maybe I do have a reading problem, tends to happen when something makes no sense whatsoever.

Like the people who committed the

Orginal crime.

Once again you have a reading problem

Read slowly....

I believe he does not deserve the protection of the law

This man has time and time again broken the law.

Thus he should be stripped of his right to the law.

Thus the guy who has assaulted him has not broken the law as adbolajo would not be protected by the law

"
..We get you

just some people don't read what your saying hence why some people jump staright in with both feet.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming.

Where's the irony?

This guy chose to brake the law that provides him with protection

He chose to break the law and thus ostracise himself from the community.

We as citizens also have responsibilities to abide by the law.

We have rights as well as responsibilities

And yet you condone others breaking the law in order to seek retribution. That"s one of our "responsibilities to abide by the law" or do you want to choose the laws that only suit you?

What definition of irony are you using?

Maybe you have a reading problem

I said this guy should not have the same rights to the law, as other abiding citizens do.

So how is the guy assaulting him breaking the law if the murderer (can't remember his name) does not have the right to law?

Maybe I do have a reading problem, tends to happen when something makes no sense whatsoever.

Like the people who committed the

Orginal crime.

Once again you have a reading problem

Read slowly....

I believe he does not deserve the protection of the law

This man has time and time again broken the law.

Thus he should be stripped of his right to the law.

Thus the guy who has assaulted him has not broken the law as adbolajo would not be protected by the law

Oh I understand your argument I just don't see how in this utopian society of revenge you advocate that you don't get the irony. My reading is fine, got a few degrees to back that up (one of them legally based) however your argument is not particularly thought through. At what point do you stop? Paedophiles, arson, manslaughter, psychiatric illness, fraud, speeding, d*unk and disorderly, someone defending themselves and the

Person dies? Where do we stop removing rights? Foreigners? Black people? Women? Where? When your argument is purely emotional and doesn't have any basis in reality of research or god forgive actual evidence then don't be surprised when I don't get your lack of understanding of the word irony.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Love to.

Me too

Really? Would you hit them with your keyboard ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Love to.

Me too

Really? Would you hit them with your keyboard ?

"
lol

didn't say anything about hitting them?????????????,he is right you don't read anything.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Love to.

Me too

Really? Would you hit them with your keyboard ?

Nah

I'd force it down his throat

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Love to.

Me too

Really? Would you hit them with your keyboard ?

Nah

I'd force it down his throat"
..with my boot

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Love to.

Me too

Really? Would you hit them with your keyboard ?

lol

didn't say anything about hitting them?????????????,he is right you don't read anything.

It was an oblique reference to being a keyboard warrior. Would you like me to explain?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Love to.

Me too

Really? Would you hit them with your keyboard ?

lol

didn't say anything about hitting them?????????????,he is right you don't read anything.

It was an oblique reference to being a keyboard warrior. Would you like me to explain?"
No need we get you

we read,Keyboard Warrior

im better on P.S.3,CALL OF DUTY.

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By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

Is it? The majority of judgements are wrong are they? I'm sorry but what era are you harking am back to?

So you would like our prisons to be similar to Pul-e-Charkhi in Afghanistan?

Oh the irony!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Kill them all let God sort them out

Not sure if I missed the point but kill all of who?

reminds me of the ironic graffiti 'kill all extremists'

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

I believe he does not deserve the protection of the law

the fact that he is protected by the law is what defines us as a civilised society..

yes, with inherent faults, rights and responsibilities...

unless of course you would prefer the model practised by Hitler, Stalin and North Korea..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming.

Where's the irony?

This guy chose to brake the law that provides him with protection

He chose to break the law and thus ostracise himself from the community.

We as citizens also have responsibilities to abide by the law.

We have rights as well as responsibilities

And yet you condone others breaking the law in order to seek retribution. That"s one of our "responsibilities to abide by the law" or do you want to choose the laws that only suit you?

What definition of irony are you using?

Maybe you have a reading problem

I said this guy should not have the same rights to the law, as other abiding citizens do.

So how is the guy assaulting him breaking the law if the murderer (can't remember his name) does not have the right to law?

Maybe I do have a reading problem, tends to happen when something makes no sense whatsoever.

Like the people who committed the

Orginal crime.

Once again you have a reading problem

Read slowly....

I believe he does not deserve the protection of the law

This man has time and time again broken the law.

Thus he should be stripped of his right to the law.

Thus the guy who has assaulted him has not broken the law as adbolajo would not be protected by the law

You're not the only one here legally qualified

Well first of, I don't see how the colour of the persons skin, what sex or nationality they are has any relevance.

This "utopian society" as you put it, is already in existence. Just look to the United States. Many states believe in a life for a life, as do I.

So firstly I believe if you murder someone in cold blood, then you deserve to be killed in revenge.

That does not include tragic accidents.

And also as I said above, I believe if you continue to brake the law then you should be stripped of you right to the law.

That's a start

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

" At what point do you stop? Paedophiles, arson, manslaughter, psychiatric illness, fraud, speeding, d*unk and disorderly, someone defending themselves and the

Person dies?

Where do we stop removing rights? Foreigners? Black people? Women? Where? When your argument is purely emotional and doesn't have any basis in reality of research or god forgive actual evidence then don't be surprised when I don't get your lack of understanding of the word irony."

this..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

for what they did and how they did it yes very much so pity whoever it was did,nt finish him off

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I believe he does not deserve the protection of the law

the fact that he is protected by the law is what defines us as a civilised society..

yes, with inherent faults, rights and responsibilities...

unless of course you would prefer the model practised by Hitler, Stalin and North Korea..

And what happens when we continue to neglect our responsibilities?

Do we still deserve our rights as much as every other responsible person?

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By *isscheekychops OP Woman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Bloody hell this thread has taken a detour

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is it? The majority of judgements are wrong are they? I'm sorry but what era are you harking am back to?

So you would like our prisons to be similar to Pul-e-Charkhi in Afghanistan?

Oh the irony!"
..We don't live in the stone age its 2013 love,we have top notch prisons,with t.v,pool tables a fully kitted out gym,jobs,3 meals a day,even get paid at the end of every week

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By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming.

Where's the irony?

This guy chose to brake the law that provides him with protection

He chose to break the law and thus ostracise himself from the community.

We as citizens also have responsibilities to abide by the law.

We have rights as well as responsibilities

And yet you condone others breaking the law in order to seek retribution. That"s one of our "responsibilities to abide by the law" or do you want to choose the laws that only suit you?

What definition of irony are you using?

Maybe you have a reading problem

I said this guy should not have the same rights to the law, as other abiding citizens do.

So how is the guy assaulting him breaking the law if the murderer (can't remember his name) does not have the right to law?

Maybe I do have a reading problem, tends to happen when something makes no sense whatsoever.

Like the people who committed the

Orginal crime.

Once again you have a reading problem

Read slowly....

I believe he does not deserve the protection of the law

This man has time and time again broken the law.

Thus he should be stripped of his right to the law.

Thus the guy who has assaulted him has not broken the law as adbolajo would not be protected by the law

You're not the only one here legally qualified

Well first of, I don't see how the colour of the persons skin, what sex or nationality they are has any relevance.

This "utopian society" as you put it, is already in existence. Just look to the United States. Many states believe in a life for a life, as do I.

So firstly I believe if you murder someone in cold blood, then you deserve to be killed in revenge.

That does not include tragic accidents.

And also as I said above, I believe if you continue to brake the law then you should be stripped of you right to the law.

That's a start"

Dread to imagine what your end would be..sad, very sad

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"for what they did and how they did it yes very much so pity whoever it was did,nt finish him off "

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By *isscheekychops OP Woman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Not all prisons are top notch and you get weekly wages because you work...ie wing cleaner, cook etc. Not all prisons are the lap of luxury.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming.

Where's the irony?

This guy chose to brake the law that provides him with protection

He chose to break the law and thus ostracise himself from the community.

We as citizens also have responsibilities to abide by the law.

We have rights as well as responsibilities

And yet you condone others breaking the law in order to seek retribution. That"s one of our "responsibilities to abide by the law" or do you want to choose the laws that only suit you?

What definition of irony are you using?

Maybe you have a reading problem

I said this guy should not have the same rights to the law, as other abiding citizens do.

So how is the guy assaulting him breaking the law if the murderer (can't remember his name) does not have the right to law?

Maybe I do have a reading problem, tends to happen when something makes no sense whatsoever.

Like the people who committed the

Orginal crime.

Once again you have a reading problem

Read slowly....

I believe he does not deserve the protection of the law

This man has time and time again broken the law.

Thus he should be stripped of his right to the law.

Thus the guy who has assaulted him has not broken the law as adbolajo would not be protected by the law

You're not the only one here legally qualified

Well first of, I don't see how the colour of the persons skin, what sex or nationality they are has any relevance.

This "utopian society" as you put it, is already in existence. Just look to the United States. Many states believe in a life for a life, as do I.

So firstly I believe if you murder someone in cold blood, then you deserve to be killed in revenge.

That does not include tragic accidents.

And also as I said above, I believe if you continue to brake the law then you should be stripped of you right to the law.

That's a start

Dread to imagine what your end would be..sad, very sad"

What's that supposed to mean?

I'm suppose to have a tragic end because I'm posting on an Internet forum?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming.

Where's the irony?

This guy chose to brake the law that provides him with protection

He chose to break the law and thus ostracise himself from the community.

We as citizens also have responsibilities to abide by the law.

We have rights as well as responsibilities

And yet you condone others breaking the law in order to seek retribution. That"s one of our "responsibilities to abide by the law" or do you want to choose the laws that only suit you?

What definition of irony are you using?

Maybe you have a reading problem

I said this guy should not have the same rights to the law, as other abiding citizens do.

So how is the guy assaulting him breaking the law if the murderer (can't remember his name) does not have the right to law?

Maybe I do have a reading problem, tends to happen when something makes no sense whatsoever.

Like the people who committed the

Orginal crime.

Once again you have a reading problem

Read slowly....

I believe he does not deserve the protection of the law

This man has time and time again broken the law.

Thus he should be stripped of his right to the law.

Thus the guy who has assaulted him has not broken the law as adbolajo would not be protected by the law

You're not the only one here legally qualified

Well first of, I don't see how the colour of the persons skin, what sex or nationality they are has any relevance.

This "utopian society" as you put it, is already in existence. Just look to the United States. Many states believe in a life for a life, as do I.

So firstly I believe if you murder someone in cold blood, then you deserve to be killed in revenge.

That does not include tragic accidents.

And also as I said above, I believe if you continue to brake the law then you should be stripped of you right to the law.

That's a start"

Not even sure where to begin on that.

Clearly you're not one of the

Legally qualified. Some of the US dates have executions (all of them processed through their legal system) in Texas for example the colour of your skin has a HUGE bearing on whether you are executed for the same crimes as a white person, they also execute people we would consider to have learning disabilities as well. Further states with executions often have higher crime rates than states without. As for utopian society the crime rates and cold blooded murders are greater than the whole of Western Europe.

Secondly you differentiate between murder and other crimes but then say when someone "brakes" the law they should be stripped of their right to law. Is that for all crimes? So if someone shoplifts because they can't feed their kids then we should pat another prisoner on the back when they shank them? I'm afraid I believe in the rule of law based on a system of humanity not one that you're advocating which is a third world one at best.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming.

Where's the irony?

This guy chose to brake the law that provides him with protection

He chose to break the law and thus ostracise himself from the community.

We as citizens also have responsibilities to abide by the law.

We have rights as well as responsibilities

And yet you condone others breaking the law in order to seek retribution. That"s one of our "responsibilities to abide by the law" or do you want to choose the laws that only suit you?

What definition of irony are you using?

Maybe you have a reading problem

I said this guy should not have the same rights to the law, as other abiding citizens do.

So how is the guy assaulting him breaking the law if the murderer (can't remember his name) does not have the right to law?

Maybe I do have a reading problem, tends to happen when something makes no sense whatsoever.

Like the people who committed the

Orginal crime.

Once again you have a reading problem

Read slowly....

I believe he does not deserve the protection of the law

This man has time and time again broken the law.

Thus he should be stripped of his right to the law.

Thus the guy who has assaulted him has not broken the law as adbolajo would not be protected by the law

You're not the only one here legally qualified

Well first of, I don't see how the colour of the persons skin, what sex or nationality they are has any relevance.

This "utopian society" as you put it, is already in existence. Just look to the United States. Many states believe in a life for a life, as do I.

So firstly I believe if you murder someone in cold blood, then you deserve to be killed in revenge.

That does not include tragic accidents.

And also as I said above, I believe if you continue to brake the law then you should be stripped of you right to the law.

That's a start

Dread to imagine what your end would be..sad, very sad

What's that supposed to mean?

I'm suppose to have a tragic end because I'm posting on an Internet forum?"

Now who's not reading?

If that's your "start" point what would your end be. Not complex really

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

I believe he does not deserve the protection of the law

the fact that he is protected by the law is what defines us as a civilised society..

yes, with inherent faults, rights and responsibilities...

unless of course you would prefer the model practised by Hitler, Stalin and North Korea..

And what happens when we continue to neglect our responsibilities?

Do we still deserve our rights as much as every other responsible person?"

Yes, my personal opinion is that it is exactly how we treat those that have committed the most vile and heinous crimes within society is what defines us as that society..

to lower yourself down and diminish the society is a recipe for disaster..

if however we don't like how the system is working etc then we get off our arses and change the democratic system..

we don't change anything by vigilante action as some would espouse..

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By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming.

Where's the irony?

This guy chose to brake the law that provides him with protection

He chose to break the law and thus ostracise himself from the community.

We as citizens also have responsibilities to abide by the law.

We have rights as well as responsibilities

And yet you condone others breaking the law in order to seek retribution. That"s one of our "responsibilities to abide by the law" or do you want to choose the laws that only suit you?

What definition of irony are you using?

Maybe you have a reading problem

I said this guy should not have the same rights to the law, as other abiding citizens do.

So how is the guy assaulting him breaking the law if the murderer (can't remember his name) does not have the right to law?

Maybe I do have a reading problem, tends to happen when something makes no sense whatsoever.

Like the people who committed the

Orginal crime.

Once again you have a reading problem

Read slowly....

I believe he does not deserve the protection of the law

This man has time and time again broken the law.

Thus he should be stripped of his right to the law.

Thus the guy who has assaulted him has not broken the law as adbolajo would not be protected by the law

You're not the only one here legally qualified

Well first of, I don't see how the colour of the persons skin, what sex or nationality they are has any relevance.

This "utopian society" as you put it, is already in existence. Just look to the United States. Many states believe in a life for a life, as do I.

So firstly I believe if you murder someone in cold blood, then you deserve to be killed in revenge.

That does not include tragic accidents.

And also as I said above, I believe if you continue to brake the law then you should be stripped of you right to the law.

That's a start

Dread to imagine what your end would be..sad, very sad

What's that supposed to mean?

I'm suppose to have a tragic end because I'm posting on an Internet forum?"

You last line in your previous post was 'That's a start' I was merely imagining what would be your further reforms to our penal system..I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in your personal 'end'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A lot of you are seeming to forget that the attack on Lee Rigsby was in itself a 'revenge attack'! They didn't just pick him out willy nilly, they picked him because he was a squaddie!

The nail bomb at that mosque was a 'revenge attack'. The 2 guys stabbed to death in a mosque was a 'revenge attack'. As i said earlier, WHERE DOES IT END??

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"for what they did and how they did it yes very much so pity whoever it was did,nt finish him off

but would you want the same 'justice' meted out to one of your own on remand..

not saying these 2 are not guilty btw..

folk have been remanded and indeed jailed when they are totally innocent..

an allegation say of paedophilia against your son, husband or dad totally false and they are on remand..

some upstanding member of the prison community decides to get some in on 'the nonce'..

how does that sound..??????

and it has happened sadly in the past..

to 'normal' everyday type of folk..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming.

Where's the irony?

This guy chose to brake the law that provides him with protection

He chose to break the law and thus ostracise himself from the community.

We as citizens also have responsibilities to abide by the law.

We have rights as well as responsibilities

And yet you condone others breaking the law in order to seek retribution. That"s one of our "responsibilities to abide by the law" or do you want to choose the laws that only suit you?

What definition of irony are you using?

Maybe you have a reading problem

I said this guy should not have the same rights to the law, as other abiding citizens do.

So how is the guy assaulting him breaking the law if the murderer (can't remember his name) does not have the right to law?

Maybe I do have a reading problem, tends to happen when something makes no sense whatsoever.

Like the people who committed the

Orginal crime.

Once again you have a reading problem

Read slowly....

I believe he does not deserve the protection of the law

This man has time and time again broken the law.

Thus he should be stripped of his right to the law.

Thus the guy who has assaulted him has not broken the law as adbolajo would not be protected by the law

You're not the only one here legally qualified

Well first of, I don't see how the colour of the persons skin, what sex or nationality they are has any relevance.

This "utopian society" as you put it, is already in existence. Just look to the United States. Many states believe in a life for a life, as do I.

So firstly I believe if you murder someone in cold blood, then you deserve to be killed in revenge.

That does not include tragic accidents.

And also as I said above, I believe if you continue to brake the law then you should be stripped of you right to the law.

That's a start

Not even sure where to begin on that.

Clearly you're not one of the

This is the third time iv had to mention this

Your reading skills are terrible

I said...if you "continuously" break the law, then you should be stripped of your right to law

I did not say after one offence.

And you think it's right to shoplift do you?

And just like Texas, I believe we should have the death penalty for murder.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"for what they did and how they did it yes very much so pity whoever it was did,nt finish him off

but would you want the same 'justice' meted out to one of your own on remand..

not saying these 2 are not guilty btw..

folk have been remanded and indeed jailed when they are totally innocent..

an allegation say of paedophilia against your son, husband or dad totally false and they are on remand..

some upstanding member of the prison community decides to get some in on 'the nonce'..

how does that sound..??????

and it has happened sadly in the past..

to 'normal' everyday type of folk.."

In fact happened to a paediatrician because vigilantes by and large are thick

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming.

Where's the irony?

This guy chose to brake the law that provides him with protection

He chose to break the law and thus ostracise himself from the community.

We as citizens also have responsibilities to abide by the law.

We have rights as well as responsibilities

And yet you condone others breaking the law in order to seek retribution. That"s one of our "responsibilities to abide by the law" or do you want to choose the laws that only suit you?

What definition of irony are you using?

Maybe you have a reading problem

I said this guy should not have the same rights to the law, as other abiding citizens do.

So how is the guy assaulting him breaking the law if the murderer (can't remember his name) does not have the right to law?

Maybe I do have a reading problem, tends to happen when something makes no sense whatsoever.

Like the people who committed the

Orginal crime.

Once again you have a reading problem

Read slowly....

I believe he does not deserve the protection of the law

This man has time and time again broken the law.

Thus he should be stripped of his right to the law.

Thus the guy who has assaulted him has not broken the law as adbolajo would not be protected by the law

You're not the only one here legally qualified

Well first of, I don't see how the colour of the persons skin, what sex or nationality they are has any relevance.

This "utopian society" as you put it, is already in existence. Just look to the United States. Many states believe in a life for a life, as do I.

So firstly I believe if you murder someone in cold blood, then you deserve to be killed in revenge.

That does not include tragic accidents.

And also as I said above, I believe if you continue to brake the law then you should be stripped of you right to the law.

That's a start

Dread to imagine what your end would be..sad, very sad

What's that supposed to mean?

I'm suppose to have a tragic end because I'm posting on an Internet forum?

Now who's not reading?

If that's your "start" point what would your end be. Not complex really "

Everything has to have a beginning

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"for what they did and how they did it yes very much so pity whoever it was did,nt finish him off

but would you want the same 'justice' meted out to one of your own on remand..

not saying these 2 are not guilty btw..

folk have been remanded and indeed jailed when they are totally innocent..

an allegation say of paedophilia against your son, husband or dad totally false and they are on remand..

some upstanding member of the prison community decides to get some in on 'the nonce'..

how does that sound..??????

and it has happened sadly in the past..

to 'normal' everyday type of folk..

In fact happened to a paediatrician because vigilantes by and large are thick "

yes not one of the NOTW's finest moments..

once its put out there you cant control how some will interpret the information or understand the reason fully..

bit like some of the user's of 'social media'

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By *arkinberksMan over a year ago

Ascot

Why have a legal system if you are going to let a lynch mob impose their punishment ? Regardless of what you think of it, we have laws in place and there are defined penalties for those who break them. Condoning injuries inflicted by prisoners on fellow inmates is saying that a select group of people who are locked up for breaking the law are better placed to determine and administer punishment than the judiciary.

Question. .. The CPS is not infallible and sometimes the wrong person winds up behind bars. Let's assume it's a murder case. Now assume that whilst in chokey someone gives him a good beating which renders him paralysed. A few years later and the case is reviewed and the real culprit found and brought to trial. Who is going to feel sympathy for the poor devil who was wrongly imprisoned, now paralysed yet the baying masses reckoned at the time those injuries were justified.

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By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

Is it? The majority of judgements are wrong are they? I'm sorry but what era are you harking am back to?

So you would like our prisons to be similar to Pul-e-Charkhi in Afghanistan?

Oh the irony!..We don't live in the stone age its 2013 love,we have top notch prisons,with t.v,pool tables a fully kitted out gym,jobs,3 meals a day,even get paid at the end of every week

Firstly I'm not your love, secondly I'm afraid the irony has gone sailing over your pretty little head.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"for what they did and how they did it yes very much so pity whoever it was did,nt finish him off

but would you want the same 'justice' meted out to one of your own on remand..

not saying these 2 are not guilty btw..

folk have been remanded and indeed jailed when they are totally innocent..

an allegation say of paedophilia against your son, husband or dad totally false and they are on remand..

some upstanding member of the prison community decides to get some in on 'the nonce'..

how does that sound..??????

and it has happened sadly in the past..

to 'normal' everyday type of folk.."

if it was one of my own who done a terrible act like that then yes I,d wash my hands of them altogeather harsh but true those 2 men need to feel the same pain they inflicted just my 2 cents

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Why have a legal system if you are going to let a lynch mob impose their punishment ? Regardless of what you think of it, we have laws in place and there are defined penalties for those who break them. Condoning injuries inflicted by prisoners on fellow inmates is saying that a select group of people who are locked up for breaking the law are better placed to determine and administer punishment than the judiciary.

agreed but think some would say 'well that's sad, shit happens'..

that's the trouble when we accept morally that 'collateral damage' is worth it..

but not in my manor..

then if its one of their own then suspect a trip to the nearest Lawyer would be in order..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"for what they did and how they did it yes very much so pity whoever it was did,nt finish him off

but would you want the same 'justice' meted out to one of your own on remand..

not saying these 2 are not guilty btw..

folk have been remanded and indeed jailed when they are totally innocent..

an allegation say of paedophilia against your son, husband or dad totally false and they are on remand..

some upstanding member of the prison community decides to get some in on 'the nonce'..

how does that sound..??????

and it has happened sadly in the past..

to 'normal' everyday type of folk..

if it was one of my own who done a terrible act like that then yes I,d wash my hands of them altogeather harsh but true those 2 men need to feel the same pain they inflicted just my 2 cents

read it again, 'totally innocent' and on remand..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming.

Where's the irony?

This guy chose to brake the law that provides him with protection

He chose to break the law and thus ostracise himself from the community.

We as citizens also have responsibilities to abide by the law.

We have rights as well as responsibilities

And yet you condone others breaking the law in order to seek retribution. That"s one of our "responsibilities to abide by the law" or do you want to choose the laws that only suit you?

What definition of irony are you using?

Maybe you have a reading problem

I said this guy should not have the same rights to the law, as other abiding citizens do.

So how is the guy assaulting him breaking the law if the murderer (can't remember his name) does not have the right to law?

Maybe I do have a reading problem, tends to happen when something makes no sense whatsoever.

Like the people who committed the

Orginal crime.

Once again you have a reading problem

Read slowly....

I believe he does not deserve the protection of the law

This man has time and time again broken the law.

Thus he should be stripped of his right to the law.

Thus the guy who has assaulted him has not broken the law as adbolajo would not be protected by the law

You're not the only one here legally qualified

Well first of, I don't see how the colour of the persons skin, what sex or nationality they are has any relevance.

This "utopian society" as you put it, is already in existence. Just look to the United States. Many states believe in a life for a life, as do I.

So firstly I believe if you murder someone in cold blood, then you deserve to be killed in revenge.

That does not include tragic accidents.

And also as I said above, I believe if you continue to brake the law then you should be stripped of you right to the law.

That's a start

Not even sure where to begin on that.

Clearly you're not one of the

This is the third time iv had to mention this

Your reading skills are terrible

I said...if you "continuously" break the law, then you should be stripped of your right to law

I did not say after one offence.

And you think it's right to shoplift do you?

And just like Texas, I believe we should have the death penalty for murder. "

My reading is fine now let's work on your thinking shall we.

Do you actually know anything about the American legal system? Texas executes very few murderers but will execute those with learning disabilities and significantly more ethnic minorities than white people for the same crimes.Are you advocating this? Also who defines continuous? 3 strikes like California? So speeding, d*unk and disorderly and then next time you get caught then that's it? As for shoplifting, nope I don't think it's ok, but I'll bet most people on this forum have done something illegal at some point including you. For example did you view any pornography before it was legalised? Did you speed by going 31 in a 30 zone? What about making sure you have never been over the limit when driving a car, that includes driving the day after a night on the tiles?

I can read pretty well but when arguments are so poorly thought through and based purely on emotion then don't be surprised if you get called on it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"for what they did and how they did it yes very much so pity whoever it was did,nt finish him off

but would you want the same 'justice' meted out to one of your own on remand..

not saying these 2 are not guilty btw..

folk have been remanded and indeed jailed when they are totally innocent..

an allegation say of paedophilia against your son, husband or dad totally false and they are on remand..

some upstanding member of the prison community decides to get some in on 'the nonce'..

how does that sound..??????

and it has happened sadly in the past..

to 'normal' everyday type of folk..

if it was one of my own who done a terrible act like that then yes I,d wash my hands of them altogeather harsh but true those 2 men need to feel the same pain they inflicted just my 2 cents

read it again, 'totally innocent' and on remand.."

Some people just see what they want to see and try to make it fit into their argument eh!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"for what they did and how they did it yes very much so pity whoever it was did,nt finish him off

but would you want the same 'justice' meted out to one of your own on remand..

not saying these 2 are not guilty btw..

folk have been remanded and indeed jailed when they are totally innocent..

an allegation say of paedophilia against your son, husband or dad totally false and they are on remand..

some upstanding member of the prison community decides to get some in on 'the nonce'..

how does that sound..??????

and it has happened sadly in the past..

to 'normal' everyday type of folk..

if it was one of my own who done a terrible act like that then yes I,d wash my hands of them altogeather harsh but true those 2 men need to feel the same pain they inflicted just my 2 cents

read it again, 'totally innocent' and on remand.."

what are you talking about ! whose totally innocent ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A lot of you are seeming to forget that the attack on Lee Rigsby was in itself a 'revenge attack'! They didn't just pick him out willy nilly, they picked him because he was a squaddie!

The nail bomb at that mosque was a 'revenge attack'. The 2 guys stabbed to death in a mosque was a 'revenge attack'. As i said earlier, WHERE DOES IT END?? "

His name is Lee Rigby. At least do the poor guy the honour of getting his name right.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A lot of you are seeming to forget that the attack on Lee Rigsby was in itself a 'revenge attack'! They didn't just pick him out willy nilly, they picked him because he was a squaddie!

The nail bomb at that mosque was a 'revenge attack'. The 2 guys stabbed to death in a mosque was a 'revenge attack'. As i said earlier, WHERE DOES IT END??

His name is Lee Rigby. At least do the poor guy the honour of getting his name right."

Aah, i put an extra letter in by by mistake, (autocorrect btw) and you pull me for THAT? Lol. Get a life eh!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A lot of you are seeming to forget that the attack on Lee Rigsby was in itself a 'revenge attack'! They didn't just pick him out willy nilly, they picked him because he was a squaddie!

The nail bomb at that mosque was a 'revenge attack'. The 2 guys stabbed to death in a mosque was a 'revenge attack'. As i said earlier, WHERE DOES IT END??

His name is Lee Rigby. At least do the poor guy the honour of getting his name right.

Aah, i put an extra letter in by by mistake, (autocorrect btw) and you pull me for THAT? Lol. Get a life eh!"

Actually this is the kind of mistake that sends vigilantes to the wrong house or attaching the paeditrician and not the paedophile.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A lot of you are seeming to forget that the attack on Lee Rigsby was in itself a 'revenge attack'! They didn't just pick him out willy nilly, they picked him because he was a squaddie!

The nail bomb at that mosque was a 'revenge attack'. The 2 guys stabbed to death in a mosque was a 'revenge attack'. As i said earlier, WHERE DOES IT END??

His name is Lee Rigby. At least do the poor guy the honour of getting his name right.

Aah, i put an extra letter in by by mistake, (autocorrect btw) and you pull me for THAT? Lol. Get a life eh!

Actually this is the kind of mistake that sends vigilantes to the wrong house or attaching the paeditrician and not the paedophile. "

Lol. Yeah. I suppose they need SOMETHING to moan about right enough. I'm just happy i made their day for them!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A lot of you are seeming to forget that the attack on Lee Rigsby was in itself a 'revenge attack'! They didn't just pick him out willy nilly, they picked him because he was a squaddie!

The nail bomb at that mosque was a 'revenge attack'. The 2 guys stabbed to death in a mosque was a 'revenge attack'. As i said earlier, WHERE DOES IT END??

His name is Lee Rigby. At least do the poor guy the honour of getting his name right."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A lot of you are seeming to forget that the attack on Lee Rigsby was in itself a 'revenge attack'! They didn't just pick him out willy nilly, they picked him because he was a squaddie!

The nail bomb at that mosque was a 'revenge attack'. The 2 guys stabbed to death in a mosque was a 'revenge attack'. As i said earlier, WHERE DOES IT END??

His name is Lee Rigby. At least do the poor guy the honour of getting his name right.

And let's not dishonour his family and him by seeking to engage in revenge attacks. Which is what the family have stated. "No attacks in his name" I believe is the exact words used by his family. His regiment have also talked about honour and dignity. "Heads held high" Brigadier IR Liles. So don't claim this is for his family.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"for what they did and how they did it yes very much so pity whoever it was did,nt finish him off

but would you want the same 'justice' meted out to one of your own on remand..

not saying these 2 are not guilty btw..

folk have been remanded and indeed jailed when they are totally innocent..

an allegation say of paedophilia against your son, husband or dad totally false and they are on remand..

some upstanding member of the prison community decides to get some in on 'the nonce'..

how does that sound..??????

and it has happened sadly in the past..

to 'normal' everyday type of folk..

if it was one of my own who done a terrible act like that then yes I,d wash my hands of them altogeather harsh but true those 2 men need to feel the same pain they inflicted just my 2 cents

read it again, 'totally innocent' and on remand..

what are you talking about ! whose totally innocent ?"

read it again from the top, I was using an example that any one of our families may end up on the shitty end of a false accusation..

and whilst on remand some scum bag inside may decide to give out some 'justice' as they see it..

if as some suggest its fine that it happened to one of these two who I think we all would agree are guilty..

you then cant say oh yes but it shouldn't happen to 'one of mine' or that nice lad across the road..

don't work like that..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you condone "revenge" attacks....As it has been in the News that one of Lee Rigby murderers has been attacked in prison??

As the family of Lee Rigby have condemned such things, what excuse does that give others?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope he gets bummed in the showers everyday

So you condone rape but not murder? Interesting are any other crimes ok?

I believe a scumbag like him doesn't deserve the protection of the lawSame here

How sad. You condone breaking

The law when it suits you but not when it doesn't. You advocate violence but want those punished who exhibit it. The irony is overwhelming.

Where's the irony?

This guy chose to brake the law that provides him with protection

He chose to break the law and thus ostracise himself from the community.

We as citizens also have responsibilities to abide by the law.

We have rights as well as responsibilities

And yet you condone others breaking the law in order to seek retribution. That"s one of our "responsibilities to abide by the law" or do you want to choose the laws that only suit you?

What definition of irony are you using?

Maybe you have a reading problem

I said this guy should not have the same rights to the law, as other abiding citizens do.

So how is the guy assaulting him breaking the law if the murderer (can't remember his name) does not have the right to law?

Maybe I do have a reading problem, tends to happen when something makes no sense whatsoever.

Like the people who committed the

Orginal crime.

Once again you have a reading problem

Read slowly....

I believe he does not deserve the protection of the law

This man has time and time again broken the law.

Thus he should be stripped of his right to the law.

Thus the guy who has assaulted him has not broken the law as adbolajo would not be protected by the law

You're not the only one here legally qualified

Well first of, I don't see how the colour of the persons skin, what sex or nationality they are has any relevance.

This "utopian society" as you put it, is already in existence. Just look to the United States. Many states believe in a life for a life, as do I.

So firstly I believe if you murder someone in cold blood, then you deserve to be killed in revenge.

That does not include tragic accidents.

And also as I said above, I believe if you continue to brake the law then you should be stripped of you right to the law.

That's a start

Not even sure where to begin on that.

Clearly you're not one of the

This is the third time iv had to mention this

Your reading skills are terrible

I said...if you "continuously" break the law, then you should be stripped of your right to law

I did not say after one offence.

And you think it's right to shoplift do you?

And just like Texas, I believe we should have the death penalty for murder.

My reading is fine now let's work on your thinking shall we.

I can read pretty well but when arguments are so poorly thought through and based purely on emotion then don't be surprised if you get called on it"

Omg

So every black man that's been executed in the state of Texas was innocent?

Are you saying the uk is as racist as Texas?

I think the 3 strike system is pretty good

Are you comparing chopping up a man in the street to viewing pornography?

You really are clutching at straws

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Dear lord, ok try and engage brain

I didn't say they were all innocent, what I said was that if you were black you were more likely to be executed for the SAME crime. They also have a tendency to execute people with learning disabilities. The USA was identified as the utopian place without having a clear idea of what that means either. The USA is nowhere near utopian. Those states that execute have higher crime rates and the USA has a Significantly higher rate of murder per capita than here.

The argument was made that "continuously" breaking the law should remove rights as indeed you seem to agree with although clearly have no idea what it means.

As for clutching at straws, the family of the man murdered have said they don't want revenge so why do you? They've asked and the regiment have asked that it doesn't happen yet you think it should to gain revenge. The very people you want to avenge for dont want you to do it!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"for what they did and how they did it yes very much so pity whoever it was did,nt finish him off

but would you want the same 'justice' meted out to one of your own on remand..

not saying these 2 are not guilty btw..

folk have been remanded and indeed jailed when they are totally innocent..

an allegation say of paedophilia against your son, husband or dad totally false and they are on remand..

some upstanding member of the prison community decides to get some in on 'the nonce'..

how does that sound..??????

and it has happened sadly in the past..

to 'normal' everyday type of folk..

if it was one of my own who done a terrible act like that then yes I,d wash my hands of them altogeather harsh but true those 2 men need to feel the same pain they inflicted just my 2 cents

read it again, 'totally innocent' and on remand..

what are you talking about ! whose totally innocent ?

read it again from the top, I was using an example that any one of our families may end up on the shitty end of a false accusation..

and whilst on remand some scum bag inside may decide to give out some 'justice' as they see it..

if as some suggest its fine that it happened to one of these two who I think we all would agree are guilty..

you then cant say oh yes but it shouldn't happen to 'one of mine' or that nice lad across the road..

don't work like that.."

see now I think your the one that's way off track here if YOU read the op,s post its about the 2 mad things that beheaded a solider in broad daylight and if you don,t think that's worth a kicking or death for them ,well that,s your party ! stick to the subject as we arn,t talking about orther ppl who have been wronged

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By *isscheekychops OP Woman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I don't condone violence in any shape or form...I don't condone what they did to Lee and I don't condone the revenge attacks that are being carried out on innocent people because of their faith..We live in a multi cultural society and we should be setting examples to the younger generation that violence on violence is not the answer. We as a nation have to stand together in times of difficulties...not stand apart and kill each other.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't condone violence in any shape or form...I don't condone what they did to Lee and I don't condone the revenge attacks that are being carried out on innocent people because of their faith..We live in a multi cultural society and we should be setting examples to the younger generation that violence on violence is not the answer. We as a nation have to stand together in times of difficulties...not stand apart and kill each other. "

You must be one of those soft lefties then, don't you know we should behead all people who've committed more than three crimes? I think you'll find you're sailing against the wind in this forum on how to be a vigilante and proud.

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By *isscheekychops OP Woman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Soft leftie...No. people can make their own choices its an emotive subject these are just my thoughts.

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By *andWCouple over a year ago

Pontypridd

I'm completely against the death penalty, or any sort of pain punishment, couldn't watch some scenes in Spartacus, although saying that, if somebody hurt my daughter then I probably would want them very hurt, not dead because that's too easy an escape but very very hurt.

I think sometimes that makes me sound like a violent person but I'm very much not however if it's your own family I can see why you would want to do that x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I do not condone.......

But reality is I'm guessing it won't be first or last time.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Have been out to lunch today with one of Lee's regiment colleagues and we had a discussion about this (revenge attacks and condoning, not fab forum). Thoughts were that it is a natural reaction to have but previous, first hand experience, of entering into revenge attacks, leaves you feeling dissapointed in yourself, achieves nothing and takes you down to "enemy level"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have been out to lunch today with one of Lee's regiment colleagues and we had a discussion about this (revenge attacks and condoning, not fab forum). Thoughts were that it is a natural reaction to have but previous, first hand experience, of entering into revenge attacks, leaves you feeling dissapointed in yourself, achieves nothing and takes you down to "enemy level" "

And that should be the final word

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

two wrongs dont make a right....

what next.... do we condone the person what attacks the attacker, who attacked the attacker...

vicious circle.....

people should be better than that...

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By *livia_KWoman over a year ago

South London

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

no I disagree, think YOU will find that earlier in the thread I commented on the central theme of the OP's topic..

so am fully au fait with what the thread was started about, however think YOU will also find that all threads have a tendency to either go off at a tangent or will have other elements linked to them..

as for 'parties' I am off a different opinion to you..

that's life..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

can't condone it as I hate violence but honestly can't bring myself to find sympathy for him either

apathetic I guess

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So 5 prison officers have been suspended, not for attacking him but for restraining him during which time he lost two front teeth.

The prison officers claimed to have used approved restraint procedures.

Accidents happen, I suppose

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So 5 prison officers have been suspended, not for attacking him but for restraining him during which time he lost two front teeth.

The prison officers claimed to have used approved restraint procedures.

Accidents happen, I suppose

Just to clarify the prison officers have been suspended as part of an enquiry. They restrained him using C&R which normally is a face down procedure, losing teeth is a rare injury for this type of restraint so will await outcome of the enquiry. For their sake and the sake of their careers I hope they're not guilty of using too much force or doing this inappropriatly. Those who will rejoice at what's happened need to balance this with the end of a career if they've done something wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i hope they arent guilty too not only the end of their career, he will probably want compensation as well.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dear lord, ok try and engage brain

The argument was made that "continuously" breaking the law should remove rights as indeed you seem to agree with although clearly have no idea what it means.

With a country with more guns than people, of course it's gonna have a high murder rate.

The reason murder is so high in the USA is because of its gun laws not its punishment system.

You saying the same thing would happen over here as does in Texas? Blacks are punished more often than whites?

As for my theory on continuously breaking the law, obviously it needs a bit more thought.

I would have something similar to the three strike system.

As for lee's family not wanting revenge against his killer, I respect their wishes.

(Obviously they're not gonna put out a statement saying they want revenge)

If they did not want him to be executed then that's their decision (that's if we had the death penalty, which I believe we should bring back).

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By *ndercover2016Couple over a year ago

turriff

Should have been shot in the street when they committed the atrocitiy.No need for revenge attacks then or us paying to keep them in solitary confinement. Why should we protect scum that hate us with such a passion. Sorry but it is the way i feel and not normally a nasty person

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By *isscheekychops OP Woman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

We as a country will next bring back the death sentence...the government would never agree to it...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We as a country will next bring back the death sentence...the government would never agree to it..."

And quite right too!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We as a country will next bring back the death sentence...the government would never agree to it..."

no we are too soft in this country.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just read the news article, there is no mention of it being a revenge attack. Prisons tend to contain a high proportion of violent people. Anyone being obnoxious or even slightly annoying in a place like Bellmarsh is liable lose a couple of teeth.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Should have been shot in the street when they committed the atrocitiy.No need for revenge attacks then or us paying to keep them in solitary confinement. Why should we protect scum that hate us with such a passion. Sorry but it is the way i feel and not normally a nasty person"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ethnic minorities are already more likely to be charged than white people so I don't expect too many differences in executions. Canada has more guns per capita than the USA and has a similar deaths per capita through violent crime as the UK and neither country has the death penalty. The purpose of the death penalty is supposedly and as a deterrent and it doesn't work as a principle of revenge it's even worse. In fact that's closer to the type of laws the two fuckwits that murdered the soldier want put into place.

As for continuous crime, which ones? All of them? What about those with mental health problems or ex soldiers with PTSD? The rule of law applies to all people whether we like them or not. It's one of the rules of civilised society (and having lived in the USA I don't include them in that). As soon as we remove it from one group then it's easier to remove it from another. What happens when we change the law so something someone is serving life due to their 3rd strike and has had all protection removed and then we change the law ( making the age of consent 16 for homosexual activity for example) do we give them their rights back and say oops?

I'm afraid your argument is based on tabloid journalism and very few examples of the vast majority of cases where the law is effective and works.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We as a country will next bring back the death sentence...the government would never agree to it...

no we are too soft in this country."

You're so right

You should bring it into line with china, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Indonesia etc

God some people are half wits

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We as a country will next bring back the death sentence...the government would never agree to it...

no we are too soft in this country.

You're so right

You should bring it into line with china, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Indonesia etc

God some people are half wits"

just because i dont agree with you, doesnt make me a half wit.

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By *erbycouple7Couple over a year ago

derby

you have to remember its jail thats the way of life in there hence the reason there in there in the first place personaly i dont care what happens behind bars as long as our streets are safe i say fcuk em let them tear each other apart

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I love all the bleeding heart stuff......

Soldiers are trained to kill people. These soldiers are usually sent to war by governments........why.?? Well actually it's usually as a revenge attack.

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