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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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my little soldier is poorly with sun stroke,went on a school trip yesterday to a farm ,we smothered him in sun cream but the teachers arnt allowed to put more on as the day goes on  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The teachers went allowed to put sun cream on!!!!!!!!!! So its better they get burnt, what are things coming too"
at our school teachers can as long as you have signed the consent form.. but Sun stroke is more likely from not keeping hats on or drinking not enough water x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Poor mite. I know why these rules are in place but I so think this is a silly one! Why can't teachers apply sunscreen on one of the hottest days!
How old is he? "
he's 4 evie he's in foundation |
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"The teachers went allowed to put sun cream on!!!!!!!!!! So its better they get burnt, what are things coming too
at our school teachers can as long as you have signed the consent form.. but Sun stroke is more likely from not keeping hats on or drinking not enough water x"
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The teachers went allowed to put sun cream on!!!!!!!!!! So its better they get burnt, what are things coming too
at our school teachers can as long as you have signed the consent form.. but Sun stroke is more likely from not keeping hats on or drinking not enough water x"
he always wears a hat.cant get his toy story cap off him  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Teachers are allowed to touch children. Often schools put local rules into place without thinking about complications. Then we get the usual what's the world coming to etc.
legally apeaking if he's got heatstroke while they've had him in their care then they're liable for him and what happens to him. It's called duty of care! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The teachers went allowed to put sun cream on!!!!!!!!!! So its better they get burnt, what are things coming too
They can't touch the children."
I'm afraid that's not true. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"there not allowed to touch the kids Karen hunny "
Not true . Where does this crap come from! Bloody schools! I wish some of them would turn their attention to the actual legislation rather than making shit up!!! |
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"there not allowed to touch the kids Karen hunny what happens if they hurt themselves. I'm glad mine is grown up now with these stupid rules"
Agree with you 100%, but who do you think are responsible for these rules? Parents! Like the mps proposed pay increase, we Joe Public demanded the change: sadly the change is equally unsavoury.
My kids are grown but I'll have grandchildren.
God help us all! |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"The teachers went allowed to put sun cream on!!!!!!!!!! So its better they get burnt, what are things coming too"
A litigious society. As TorJames says they can do these things but local authorities and individual schools make local rules.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"just for the record im not having a go at the teachers,as I can see how there hands are tied at times with rules and health & safety etc"
Arghhhh it's not health and safety!!!!
It's a school making up rules!
It's perfectly legal for a teacher to lay hands on a pupil under the education act! Where this idea comes that a teacher can't touch a student is mind boggling |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"there not allowed to touch the kids Karen hunny what happens if they hurt themselves. I'm glad mine is grown up now with these stupid rules
Agree with you 100%, but who do you think are responsible for these rules? Parents! Like the mps proposed pay increase, we Joe Public demanded the change: sadly the change is equally unsavoury.
My kids are grown but I'll have grandchildren.
God help us all! "
It's not a rule !!!' It's a school not knowing what they're talking about!!!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"just for the record im not having a go at the teachers,as I can see how there hands are tied at times with rules and health & safety etc
Arghhhh it's not health and safety!!!!
It's a school making up rules!
It's perfectly legal for a teacher to lay hands on a pupil under the education act! Where this idea comes that a teacher can't touch a student is mind boggling "
never meant to offend |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"just for the record im not having a go at the teachers,as I can see how there hands are tied at times with rules and health & safety etc
Arghhhh it's not health and safety!!!!
It's a school making up rules!
It's perfectly legal for a teacher to lay hands on a pupil under the education act! Where this idea comes that a teacher can't touch a student is mind boggling never meant to offend "
No no you didn't offend me at all! I just get annoyed that this myth is repeated so often people believe it including a lot of teachers! If they'd bothered to check the legislation then they'd be aware of the concept of duty of care for a start.
I've had sunstroke and I also have BCC from the sun. Keep the little chap hydrated and cool. Make sure that if he starts being sick you get him to a&e immediately! |
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By *utumnWoman
over a year ago
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I nearly lost a job once through that type of red tape, I was on playground duty and a little one got stung by a bee my first instinct was to suck the bite out which I did only to be told I could be suspended for child abuse the bite was on his chin and I had sucked it.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I nearly lost a job once through that type of red tape, I was on playground duty and a little one got stung by a bee my first instinct was to suck the bite out which I did only to be told I could be suspended for child abuse the bite was on his chin and I had sucked it.
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Actually not a winning case of child abuse I'm afraid. The behaviour wasn't abusive at all, you could have been sacked only if there was specific guidance against this. However as a rule sucking a bee sting out isn't what you should do anyway |
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Sunstroke has nothing to do with the application of suncreams, you can smother a child in inch thick suncream and it will have no bearing on the fact of whether or not they will get sunstroke.
Sunstroke is caused by overheating of the body, as the body overheats the child (or adult) will perspire more, when the body is unable to perspire enough the body will overheat to critical levels.
The child would have been exposed to too much sunshine over a given period of time, that will be the problem...not the question of whether or not the teachers can apply suncreams to children anymore. |
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Another factor that can determine whether a child will sustain sunstroke is hydration, if it was hot in the days leading up to the school trip the child could have substantially dehydrated without anyone realising.
This dehydration will increase the chances of rapid body heating and also increase the likelihood of sunburn
A dehydrated body, particularly a childs body, will be more susceptible to sunburn.
In hot countries like Australia parents have it drilled into them to constantly hydrate a child through summer months. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I nearly lost a job once through that type of red tape, I was on playground duty and a little one got stung by a bee my first instinct was to suck the bite out which I did only to be told I could be suspended for child abuse the bite was on his chin and I had sucked it.
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Why would u suck a bee sting out 
U can pull the sting out, its long enough. Then get the child to first aid and see if they have anything for stings.. |
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A sunstroke occurs, when the sun shines on a persons head and parts of the neck for a long period of time. Unlike sunburns, which are caused by overexposure to the sun’s ultraviolet (UV) radiation, a sunstroke is the product of the sun’s long waves which produce heat (heat radiation). When experiencing a sunstroke, the body fails to regulate heat and this will most times end up in a high body temperature and fever.
A sunstroke is a type of heatstroke or hyperthermia, where the source of the heat acting on ones body is the sun. Sunstroke is the most common type of heatstroke and occurs due to a combination of dehydration and overheating of the body.
Suncream isn't going to help.. Sounds more like his neck was exposed and he didn't drink enough |
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"A sunstroke occurs, when the sun shines on a persons head and parts of the neck for a long period of time. Unlike sunburns, which are caused by overexposure to the sun’s ultraviolet (UV) radiation, a sunstroke is the product of the sun’s long waves which produce heat (heat radiation). When experiencing a sunstroke, the body fails to regulate heat and this will most times end up in a high body temperature and fever.
A sunstroke is a type of heatstroke or hyperthermia, where the source of the heat acting on ones body is the sun. Sunstroke is the most common type of heatstroke and occurs due to a combination of dehydration and overheating of the body.
Suncream isn't going to help.. Sounds more like his neck was exposed and he didn't drink enough"
which at the age of 4 he isn't going to be able to monitor himself, it is the responsibility of the school and teachers who are in 'loco parensis' of the child while in their care |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"my little soldier is poorly with sun stroke,went on a school trip yesterday to a farm ,we smothered him in sun cream but the teachers arnt allowed to put more on as the day goes on "
I know its disgusting, same happened to mine few years ago, its stupid not being able to apply cream because of all these stupid laws, just let them burn that's abuse in itself, hope hes better soon. x |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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Whatever has the world come to?
I can understand the need to be cautious in applying creams and administering medicines in light of so many allergies including those to lanolin (in some moisturisers and sun creams) but surely in "loco parentis" teachers should be able to reapply the sun lotion that the child carries in his school bag? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"my little soldier is poorly with sun stroke,went on a school trip yesterday to a farm ,we smothered him in sun cream but the teachers arnt allowed to put more on as the day goes on I know its disgusting, same happened to mine few years ago, its stupid not being able to apply cream because of all these stupid laws, just let them burn that's abuse in itself, hope hes better soon. x "
There are NO laws that say you can't do this! |
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"my little soldier is poorly with sun stroke,went on a school trip yesterday to a farm ,we smothered him in sun cream but the teachers arnt allowed to put more on as the day goes on I know its disgusting, same happened to mine few years ago, its stupid not being able to apply cream because of all these stupid laws, just let them burn that's abuse in itself, hope hes better soon. x "
What laws? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"there not allowed to touch the kids Karen hunny
Not true . Where does this crap come from! Bloody schools! I wish some of them would turn their attention to the actual legislation rather than making shit up!!!"
Take it up with the Health ans Safety regulators not "bloody schools" |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A sunstroke occurs, when the sun shines on a persons head and parts of the neck for a long period of time. Unlike sunburns, which are caused by overexposure to the sun’s ultraviolet (UV) radiation, a sunstroke is the product of the sun’s long waves which produce heat (heat radiation). When experiencing a sunstroke, the body fails to regulate heat and this will most times end up in a high body temperature and fever.
A sunstroke is a type of heatstroke or hyperthermia, where the source of the heat acting on ones body is the sun. Sunstroke is the most common type of heatstroke and occurs due to a combination of dehydration and overheating of the body.
Suncream isn't going to help.. Sounds more like his neck was exposed and he didn't drink enough
which at the age of 4 he isn't going to be able to monitor himself, it is the responsibility of the school and teachers who are in 'loco parensis' of the child while in their care"
I'm not denying that, but the op said he has sunstroke cos the teachers aren't allowed to reapply suncream.
When my sun went on a trip they were asked to bring suncream so I guess the teachers would of put it on if he needed it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A sunstroke occurs, when the sun shines on a persons head and parts of the neck for a long period of time. Unlike sunburns, which are caused by overexposure to the sun’s ultraviolet (UV) radiation, a sunstroke is the product of the sun’s long waves which produce heat (heat radiation). When experiencing a sunstroke, the body fails to regulate heat and this will most times end up in a high body temperature and fever.
A sunstroke is a type of heatstroke or hyperthermia, where the source of the heat acting on ones body is the sun. Sunstroke is the most common type of heatstroke and occurs due to a combination of dehydration and overheating of the body.
Suncream isn't going to help.. Sounds more like his neck was exposed and he didn't drink enough
which at the age of 4 he isn't going to be able to monitor himself, it is the responsibility of the school and teachers who are in 'loco parensis' of the child while in their care"
I'm not denying that, but the op said he has sunstroke cos the teachers aren't allowed to reapply suncream.
When my sun went on a trip they were asked to bring suncream so I guess the teachers would of put it on if he needed it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"my little soldier is poorly with sun stroke,went on a school trip yesterday to a farm ,we smothered him in sun cream but the teachers arnt allowed to put more on as the day goes on I know its disgusting, same happened to mine few years ago, its stupid not being able to apply cream because of all these stupid laws, just let them burn that's abuse in itself, hope hes better soon. x
What laws?"
Well laws or rules whatever they like to call them, letters sent home from school to parents stating they are not allowed to apply sun cream.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Threats and accusations from parents scare schools and what's acceptable for one is unacceptable for another.
The trouble with common sense is nobody can agree what it is. |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"my little soldier is poorly with sun stroke,went on a school trip yesterday to a farm ,we smothered him in sun cream but the teachers arnt allowed to put more on as the day goes on I know its disgusting, same happened to mine few years ago, its stupid not being able to apply cream because of all these stupid laws, just let them burn that's abuse in itself, hope hes better soon. x
What laws? Well laws or rules whatever they like to call them, letters sent home from school to parents stating they are not allowed to apply sun cream. "
I remember teachers not being allowed to administer prescribed medicines at school! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A sunstroke occurs, when the sun shines on a persons head and parts of the neck for a long period of time. Unlike sunburns, which are caused by overexposure to the sun’s ultraviolet (UV) radiation, a sunstroke is the product of the sun’s long waves which produce heat (heat radiation). When experiencing a sunstroke, the body fails to regulate heat and this will most times end up in a high body temperature and fever.
A sunstroke is a type of heatstroke or hyperthermia, where the source of the heat acting on ones body is the sun. Sunstroke is the most common type of heatstroke and occurs due to a combination of dehydration and overheating of the body.
Suncream isn't going to help.. Sounds more like his neck was exposed and he didn't drink enough
which at the age of 4 he isn't going to be able to monitor himself, it is the responsibility of the school and teachers who are in 'loco parensis' of the child while in their care
I'm not denying that, but the op said he has sunstroke cos the teachers aren't allowed to reapply suncream.
When my sun went on a trip they were asked to bring suncream so I guess the teachers would of put it on if he needed it"
you guessed wrong |
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"my little soldier is poorly with sun stroke,went on a school trip yesterday to a farm ,we smothered him in sun cream but the teachers arnt allowed to put more on as the day goes on "
Oh dear, what a shame I hope the poor little chat is OK |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"there not allowed to touch the kids Karen hunny
Not true . Where does this crap come from! Bloody schools! I wish some of them would turn their attention to the actual legislation rather than making shit up!!!
Take it up with the Health ans Safety regulators not "bloody schools""
It's got absolutely bugger all to do with health and safety. Health and safety is about health safety and welfare of all people on the property or in the care of those teachers and this includes the children. People blame "health and
Safety" without having read a single piece of legislation under the umbrella of health and safety and I include teachers. I was a school governor and the amount of crap teachers talked about h&s was staggering! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Teachers are allowed to touch children. Often schools put local rules into place without thinking about complications. Then we get the usual what's the world coming to etc.
legally apeaking if he's got heatstroke while they've had him in their care then they're liable for him and what happens to him. It's called duty of care! "
Local authorities have they're own rules that don't come from central government, as teachers in the authority that I work in are not allowed to put sunscreen on, were not allowed to remove a splinter, stick on a plaster or hold children's hands, so before you slag us off ask to see the LEA s policies and procedures documentation. The kids where I work weren't allowed bacon wrapped sausages at Christmas for fear that the kids might choke on the bacon fat! We don't make these rules but do have to abide by them, regardless of what people's opinions are. Hats and fluids are much better preventative methods for sun stroke , it's completely different to sun burn. |
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"Teachers are allowed to touch children. Often schools put local rules into place without thinking about complications. Then we get the usual what's the world coming to etc.
legally apeaking if he's got heatstroke while they've had him in their care then they're liable for him and what happens to him. It's called duty of care!
Local authorities have they're own rules that don't come from central government, as teachers in the authority that I work in are not allowed to put sunscreen on, were not allowed to remove a splinter, stick on a plaster or hold children's hands, so before you slag us off ask to see the LEA s policies and procedures documentation. The kids where I work weren't allowed bacon wrapped sausages at Christmas for fear that the kids might choke on the bacon fat! We don't make these rules but do have to abide by them, regardless of what people's opinions are. Hats and fluids are much better preventative methods for sun stroke , it's completely different to sun burn. "
And yet they have a duty of care which is covered by statute not guidance. LEA's often have crap rules but schools can apply their own policies and I'm afraid many of them are lazy in their interpretation of the legislation. Holding hands depends on age and putting on plasters I'm afraid is again ignorance on the behalf of schools and in some cases LEA's teachers and governors and head teachers are more than capable of informing LEA's what school policies are which are much more in line with actual legislation. |
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"Teachers are allowed to touch children. Often schools put local rules into place without thinking about complications. Then we get the usual what's the world coming to etc.
legally apeaking if he's got heatstroke while they've had him in their care then they're liable for him and what happens to him. It's called duty of care!
Local authorities have they're own rules that don't come from central government, as teachers in the authority that I work in are not allowed to put sunscreen on, were not allowed to remove a splinter, stick on a plaster or hold children's hands, so before you slag us off ask to see the LEA s policies and procedures documentation. The kids where I work weren't allowed bacon wrapped sausages at Christmas for fear that the kids might choke on the bacon fat! We don't make these rules but do have to abide by them, regardless of what people's opinions are. Hats and fluids are much better preventative methods for sun stroke , it's completely different to sun burn. "
EYFS teachers can't hold children's hands?
Unlikely I think. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Teachers are allowed to touch children. Often schools put local rules into place without thinking about complications. Then we get the usual what's the world coming to etc.
legally apeaking if he's got heatstroke while they've had him in their care then they're liable for him and what happens to him. It's called duty of care!
Local authorities have they're own rules that don't come from central government, as teachers in the authority that I work in are not allowed to put sunscreen on, were not allowed to remove a splinter, stick on a plaster or hold children's hands, so before you slag us off ask to see the LEA s policies and procedures documentation. The kids where I work weren't allowed bacon wrapped sausages at Christmas for fear that the kids might choke on the bacon fat! We don't make these rules but do have to abide by them, regardless of what people's opinions are. Hats and fluids are much better preventative methods for sun stroke , it's completely different to sun burn.
EYFS teachers can't hold children's hands?
Unlikely I think."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why would my son of taken suncream if it wasn't going to be applied then?
To apply himself  "
Then I'm guessing it would of been under supervision.. If it works and he has suncream on who am I to worry how its done |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I can only speak for the authority I work in. "
Well in ours sun cream etc. shouldn't be administered for risks of allergies etc. etc. but obviously if children need help administering themselves, they get it (using their own).
Not holding hands would make the job impossible. Walking along the road? Removing from class? Breaking up fights? |
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So in conclusion...
Some schools have teachers who 'over think' educational guidelines
Some schools have teachers who are more practical and use their own discretion
Some people on here believe everything they read in tabloid newspapers
Some people on here are capable of dismissing most tabloid scare stories
Some people believe sun creams will stop sunstroke/heatstroke
Some people know that most cases of sunstroke/heatstroke are down to excessive exposure to the sun and dehydration
Oh....and some people think Elvis is still alive |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I can only speak for the authority I work in.
Well in ours sun cream etc. shouldn't be administered for risks of allergies etc. etc. but obviously if children need help administering themselves, they get it (using their own).
Not holding hands would make the job impossible. Walking along the road? Removing from class? Breaking up fights?"
Surely if you use the cream the child was sent in with the onus of checking for allergies lies with the parent? |
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"I can only speak for the authority I work in.
Well in ours sun cream etc. shouldn't be administered for risks of allergies etc. etc. but obviously if children need help administering themselves, they get it (using their own).
Not holding hands would make the job impossible. Walking along the road? Removing from class? Breaking up fights?
Surely if you use the cream the child was sent in with the onus of checking for allergies lies with the parent? "
Be interesting proving which cream was used or not wouldn't it?
For all the people that have the 'didn't do me any harm'/'use common sense' attitudes, there's the same number of 'don't look at my child in the wrong way'/'my child could be allergic to fresh air' parents.
So don't blame teachers, or even the rule makers until you've looked first to how those stupid rules came to be. |
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