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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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They are saying they will fine people who do this. £2500 for the employer and £200 for the employee if caught.
Since last year i now run my own vehicle but prior to that company cars for years before. Had the odd cigarette during that time to be honest. Not something I do now though.
But playing devils advocate, company car owners pay a lot of money in tax.
So is this right or wrong?
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I think if its your van/car and you are the only person using it then you should be allowed to do what you want.
My ex used to work for a sign fitting company and often was stuck between 2 people puffing away on the way to work! Pretty unfair for those who don't smoke. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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at the moment if it's youre own private van/car there is nothing they can do about it but company vehicles are classed as shared so they could push that through.
Personally I hope they bring in heavy fines for people who are caught smoking in a car with children in as I see it all of the time, typically mum n dad in the front puffing away oblivious to the fact that they are choking their children in the back.
Adults have a choice to no ride in the car but children are stuck with their parents |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think a vehicle owner should have the right to decide if they want to allow smoking in their property…
Obviously with the proviso that if smoking is allowed, it’s only done with the willing consent of all of occupants of each vehicle....
I wonder if there are reduced insurance implications for the vehicle owner….!.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I'm an occasional smoker I suppose sums me up best.
I hate smoking around kids and like to think I'm a considerate smoker.
But as an example, a company car owner who never has to take anyone else in their vehicle. Their right to smoke or not? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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But playing devils advocate, company car owners pay a lot of money in tax.
So is this right or wrong?
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Lots of people pay lots of money in tax. Are you suggesting they should get to pick which laws they obey? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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But playing devils advocate, company car owners pay a lot of money in tax.
So is this right or wrong?
Lots of people pay lots of money in tax. Are you suggesting they should get to pick which laws they obey?"
Lol. Ok good point. Yes! New law!! The more tax you pay, the less you have to be law abiding  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Still playing devils advocate 
This is true. In my last job I had to take a company car. Over the course of my employment I paid in excess of £23k in tax. ( aporox 7 years).
The car, to all intents and purposes is like a private car, ie just driven and used by me and my family.
Using your analogy soxy if your view is it isn't my car and I have to abide by the owners rules what else could be imposed. No dogging? . That's a joke of course but companies could be very strict. Anyway this refers to laws imposed by councils not employers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you are not the legal owner of a vehicle you have no mandate to decide how that vehicle is used other than what is authorised by its owner or their representative ....
Should you choose to break their trust you don’t deserve any compassion in my mind…
Surely the owner of any type of property has the right to dictate how that property should be used by the people they entrust with it's usage..
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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But playing devils advocate, company car owners pay a lot of money in tax.
So is this right or wrong?
Lots of people pay lots of money in tax. Are you suggesting they should get to pick which laws they obey?
Lol. Ok good point. Yes! New law!! The more tax you pay, the less you have to be law abiding "
There's some folks out there who don't pay tax at all yet reckon their money entitles them to ignore the laws they don't like. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They are saying they will fine people who do this. £2500 for the employer and £200 for the employee if caught.
Since last year i now run my own vehicle but prior to that company cars for years before. Had the odd cigarette during that time to be honest. Not something I do now though.
But playing devils advocate, company car owners pay a lot of money in tax.
So is this right or wrong?
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I used to run a company car and yes I paid more in tax, but you couldn't realistically run a car for the amount of tax you pay on it when you look at Insurance, Road Tax, General Repairs etc, so despite the fact it affects your tax code it is a benefit not just a cost.
The car s owned by the company and they will ultimately be responsible for disposing of it when you get your nice shiny new one, and the simple fact is a smokers car will sell for less than a non-smokers car as no matter how hard you try you can never completely get rid of the smell, plus upholstery and door trims often end up with cigarette burns on them too which can be costly to repair...nice little charge there from a contract hire company if that's how the employer buys them.
There is also the issue that in some cases a company vehicle is a place of work...I know this is not always the case, but a blanket rule is much easier to enforce |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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truck driver by trade one of our drivers got pulled by the vostapo recently cab stank of smoke when vosa officer went to do tacho check £220 fine for the driver company given warning
driver put on internal dicipline
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"Companies that operate vehicles have a duty of care for ALL their workers, that includes non smoking vehicle users.
I'm not with you Jane?"
I'll put it in a simple scenario....
Driver 'A' gets into his Excel delivery truck and drives it for the week, smoking like a chimney and thinking that he isn't affecting anyone else.
The next week he is on holiday or off sick...
Driver 'B' gets into the same truck and it is like an ashtray, there is ash all over the place, he turns on the heater/cold air blower and gets covered in cigarette ash.....he goes home stinking like a life long smoker.
Now does it make more sense?
His company has a duty of care to ALL it's staff...including smokers and non smokers. |
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"truck driver by trade one of our drivers got pulled by the vostapo recently cab stank of smoke when vosa officer went to do tacho check £220 fine for the driver company given warning
driver put on internal dicipline
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Did it take him by surprise?, was he shocked?
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"truck driver by trade one of our drivers got pulled by the vostapo recently cab stank of smoke when vosa officer went to do tacho check £220 fine for the driver company given warning
driver put on internal dicipline
Did it take him by surprise?, was he shocked?
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now quiting smoking as he wants to keep his job and needs the money saved to pay the fine |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"at the moment if it's youre own private van/car there is nothing they can do about it but company vehicles are classed as shared so they could push that through.
Personally I hope they bring in heavy fines for people who are caught smoking in a car with children in as I see it all of the time, typically mum n dad in the front puffing away oblivious to the fact that they are choking their children in the back.
Adults have a choice to no ride in the car but children are stuck with their parents"
love to see someone share my company van, it only has 1 seat |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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always remember a female copper in a panda car puffing away on a ciggy going round a corner and losing it,it was the way she had the fag between her fingers and was holding the wheel at the same time when she lost control that sticks burned into my mind as she headed towards me in that out of control vauxhall astra........ i'd ban smoking in vans and cars no question  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"always remember a female copper in a panda car puffing away on a ciggy going round a corner and losing it,it was the way she had the fag between her fingers and was holding the wheel at the same time when she lost control that sticks burned into my mind as she headed towards me in that out of control vauxhall astra........ i'd ban smoking in vans and cars no question "
my van i do as i wish....no one will tell me other wise.....
i tax it fuel it insure it and its mine if i wish to smoke i will .....end of...
even if i want to fuck in it i will.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They are saying they will fine people who do this. £2500 for the employer and £200 for the employee if caught.
Since last year i now run my own vehicle but prior to that company cars for years before. Had the odd cigarette during that time to be honest. Not something I do now though.
But playing devils advocate, company car owners pay a lot of money in tax.
So is this right or wrong?
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Having been rear ended by a company car driver as he bobbed down to retrieve his cig lighter its 100% yes it should happen. Its a distraction, nobody stops to light up or put them out. you can't use a phone and the same should go for cigs as well as food or drink while driving. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They are saying they will fine people who do this. £2500 for the employer and £200 for the employee if caught.
Since last year i now run my own vehicle but prior to that company cars for years before. Had the odd cigarette during that time to be honest. Not something I do now though.
But playing devils advocate, company car owners pay a lot of money in tax.
So is this right or wrong?
Having been rear ended by a company car driver as he bobbed down to retrieve his cig lighter its 100% yes it should happen. Its a distraction, nobody stops to light up or put them out. you can't use a phone and the same should go for cigs as well as food or drink while driving."
you a carfull driver then...u dont change the radio channel then when driving.......and we all use our phones....smoking no dif |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They are saying they will fine people who do this. £2500 for the employer and £200 for the employee if caught.
Since last year i now run my own vehicle but prior to that company cars for years before. Had the odd cigarette during that time to be honest. Not something I do now though.
But playing devils advocate, company car owners pay a lot of money in tax.
So is this right or wrong?
Having been rear ended by a company car driver as he bobbed down to retrieve his cig lighter its 100% yes it should happen. Its a distraction, nobody stops to light up or put them out. you can't use a phone and the same should go for cigs as well as food or drink while driving."
Hear Hear,and your user name reminds me of a certain high end cuban lardy daa |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They are saying they will fine people who do this. £2500 for the employer and £200 for the employee if caught.
Since last year i now run my own vehicle but prior to that company cars for years before. Had the odd cigarette during that time to be honest. Not something I do now though.
But playing devils advocate, company car owners pay a lot of money in tax.
So is this right or wrong?
Having been rear ended by a company car driver as he bobbed down to retrieve his cig lighter its 100% yes it should happen. Its a distraction, nobody stops to light up or put them out. you can't use a phone and the same should go for cigs as well as food or drink while driving.
you a carfull driver then...u dont change the radio channel then when driving.......and we all use our phones....smoking no dif"
i use the remote control stereo function in my motor and i don't use the phone,i have been run over by a dozy cunt who was driving a 7.5 tonne box van for tuffnels parcel delivery and feel lucky to be here and i see it as my duty to be in control when i'm driving |
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"my van i do as i wish....no one will tell me other wise.....
i tax it fuel it insure it and its mine if i wish to smoke i will .....end of...
even if i want to fuck in it i will...."
^^^ This
p.s. non smokers get locked in the back |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They are saying they will fine people who do this. £2500 for the employer and £200 for the employee if caught.
Since last year i now run my own vehicle but prior to that company cars for years before. Had the odd cigarette during that time to be honest. Not something I do now though.
But playing devils advocate, company car owners pay a lot of money in tax.
So is this right or wrong?
Having been rear ended by a company car driver as he bobbed down to retrieve his cig lighter its 100% yes it should happen. Its a distraction, nobody stops to light up or put them out. you can't use a phone and the same should go for cigs as well as food or drink while driving.
you a carfull driver then...u dont change the radio channel then when driving.......and we all use our phones....smoking no dif
i use the remote control stereo function in my motor and i don't use the phone,i have been run over by a dozy cunt who was driving a 7.5 tonne box van for tuffnels parcel delivery and feel lucky to be here and i see it as my duty to be in control when i'm driving"
useing ur remote control is still wrong....carnt have one rule for on and a rule for you ....... |
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