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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yep, bet the Jordanians are getting the gallows ready as we speak.... "
Probably worse ...but hey if that's the result of a free, fair and impartial trial, then even though I'm against the death penalty, so be it... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It may have been frustrating but always better to do it the right way."
Definitely. I actually think we've got some of the best judicial processes in the world right here ...at the end of the day the issue was not about Quatada (or however you spell it) himself but whether a fair trial can be based solely on evidence obtained by torture. My own view is that it can't, however inconvenient that might be at the time... |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Does anyone else hear Abu Quatada as 'ave a banana? ....as in the song?
Just me?"
No, I'll admit to it too. I always heard Radovan Karadzic as bag of red cabbages for some reason. Brains are funny things.
On a more serious note, he might be saving his last appeal request for the tarmac. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Honestly? I just wish we had spent all the money we've wasted on his court process and detention and police time following and monitoring him on helping our own poor, elderly and needy  "
With the conservatives in power? Dream on my friend |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Honestly? I just wish we had spent all the money we've wasted on his court process and detention and police time following and monitoring him on helping our own poor, elderly and needy "
It's not a choice really. The money would have been spent on something else in the justice system. The budgets don't work like that, even if we might want them to. |
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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago
near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack! |
"Yep, bet the Jordanians are getting the gallows ready as we speak.... "
My Mum would like to see him hung by that beard of his! She absolutely hates it! I too have this urge to fire up a hedge trimmer and give him a short chin and sides! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Honestly? I just wish we had spent all the money we've wasted on his court process and detention and police time following and monitoring him on helping our own poor, elderly and needy
It's not a choice really. The money would have been spent on something else in the justice system. The budgets don't work like that, even if we might want them to."
Yes, probably get used to expand the MP's new, 'secret' child allowance...  |
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"Honestly? I just wish we had spent all the money we've wasted on his court process and detention and police time following and monitoring him on helping our own poor, elderly and needy "
So you would be ok with him living here then? You are not happy he has been exported? |
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It was worth every penny.
The argument about better off spending the money on other things is ridiculous, Billions goes into care for the elderly and sick in this country.
Maybe better care should have been taken way back in 1993 by the Home Office and Immigration Service into looking into his extremist views before allowing him asylum.
Questions should have been asked then why he had entered the UK on a forged passport.
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are we still keeping his family in the lap of luxury?,£400,000 house,benefits a plenty courtesy of the hated british tax payers.(ie you and I).
the qatada brood will never ever work as daddy qatada has shown how easy it is for the protected muslims to milk the benefit system.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Would love to know the Final cost, on getting rid of this piece of Shit
Why? We couldn't have done it doe any less so why is the cost important? "
why we'll maybe you don't give a toss, but as a tax payer I would like to know |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Would love to know the Final cost, on getting rid of this piece of Shit
Why? We couldn't have done it doe any less so why is the cost important? "
why we'll maybe you don't give a toss, but as a tax payer I would like to know |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"are we still keeping his family in the lap of luxury?,£400,000 house,benefits a plenty courtesy of the hated british tax payers.(ie you and I).
the qatada brood will never ever work as daddy qatada has shown how easy it is for the protected muslims to milk the benefit system. "
well there are plenty of British in this country that milk the system and before you say it their right, it is if they have played into it |
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"are we still keeping his family in the lap of luxury?,£400,000 house,benefits a plenty courtesy of the hated british tax payers.(ie you and I).
the qatada brood will never ever work as daddy qatada has shown how easy it is for the protected muslims to milk the benefit system. "
My concern there (apart from the ridiculous cost) is that IF, by some chance, he is found innocent in Jordan, he can then apply to come back here to be with his family as, to be separated from them would infringe his right to a 'family life'. They should have been shipped out with him. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"are we still keeping his family in the lap of luxury?,£400,000 house,benefits a plenty courtesy of the hated british tax payers.(ie you and I).
the qatada brood will never ever work as daddy qatada has shown how easy it is for the protected muslims to milk the benefit system. well there are plenty of British in this country that milk the system and before you say it their right, it is if they have played into it"
played into it |
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"Would love to know the Final cost, on getting rid of this piece of Shit
Why? We couldn't have done it doe any less so why is the cost important? "
because if you are a tax payer and in these days of austerity surely you would want to know how your hard earned taxes are being used?.  |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
The sum of £1.7m has mentioned in various places. It's not clear if that goes back to Michael Howard's days of trying to deal with this case or just in this parliament.
As to him being able to return if Jordan find him innocent, well he'll now need to show he earns a minimum salary and has savings too. Of course the Home Secretary may choose to block any individual from entry to the country.
For the hand 'em/shoot 'em people, we are only able to criticise others if we follow the rule of law here. That has been done, comprehensively, now. |
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"Would love to know the Final cost, on getting rid of this piece of Shit
Why? We couldn't have done it doe any less so why is the cost important?
because if you are a tax payer and in these days of austerity surely you would want to know how your hard earned taxes are being used?. "
Not really. I have no choice in paying them, what other choice dis we have to remove him from the country lawfully?? I don't believe there is a department lawyers 4 u that could have done it cheaper could they?
We wanted rid of the man and now he has gone. It has cost x amount to do so. Money we'll spent really because if we hadn't of spent it he would still be here sponging off us and pausing us off. Getting angry about the cost achieves nothing.
Teresa May has stated she is planning reforms to male sure we don't have to go through that again in the future. That's all we can hope for really. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Even tho i dont agree with ppl like him who preach hatred...whose fault is it he ended up here? It isnt his! The politicians and the system let him in.
Whatever amount of money it has cost working class ppl on here, what happened to the politicians who are claiming expenses? False rents, dvd home theatres, need i go on?
From where im sat, they all piss in the same pot. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"are we still keeping his family in the lap of luxury?,£400,000 house,benefits a plenty courtesy of the hated british tax payers.(ie you and I).
the qatada brood will never ever work as daddy qatada has shown how easy it is for the protected muslims to milk the benefit system. "
How are muslims protected? I think there are plenty of white, black, chinese who milk the system...sounds like ignorance to me |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I know this is sad but there's been so many jokes about him now, spread right across all forms of the media; I actually see him as a comedy character now - Hava Banana - sounds perfect!!  |
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A little note of interest regarding sending his family back, considering he has been living in the UK for 20 years most of not all of his children will be British born.....so send them back where exactly?.....Hackney? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A little note of interest regarding sending his family back, considering he has been living in the UK for 20 years most of not all of his children will be British born.....so send them back where exactly?.....Hackney?"
Sounds like a good enough punishment to me!  |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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"Honestly? I just wish we had spent all the money we've wasted on his court process and detention and police time following and monitoring him on helping our own poor, elderly and needy
So you would be ok with him living here then? You are not happy he has been exported? "
We shouldn't have even let him in in the first place. He passed through other countries to et here and should have claimed asylum there first but we are the soft touch of the world so other countries simply ignore the laws and rules and send everyone on their way to us - then it's our problem |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Usual crop of rational and irrational posts. Bit of Islamic hatred thrown in as usual along with the people behaving as if they personally have footed the entire bill.
I have a concern about what exactly he's been found guilty of? Never tried in the UK, never been found guilty in the UK. Most information about him
Comes from politicians and the press (neither of them particularly trustworthy)
Glad he's gone, glad we used due process. His family by the way are not guilty of a crime or do we now get to despise the entirely family group based on hatred of one person in the family?
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"Honestly? I just wish we had spent all the money we've wasted on his court process and detention and police time following and monitoring him on helping our own poor, elderly and needy
So you would be ok with him living here then? You are not happy he has been exported?
We shouldn't have even let him in in the first place. He passed through other countries to et here and should have claimed asylum there first but we are the soft touch of the world so other countries simply ignore the laws and rules and send everyone on their way to us - then it's our problem "
Exactly what other countries did he pass through to get here?, because according to C4 news he flew from Jordan to the United Arab Emirates where he picked up a forged passport and then flew to Britain.
The UAE don't give asylum to immigrants from other countries.
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"Usual crop of rational and irrational posts. Bit of Islamic hatred thrown in as usual along with the people behaving as if they personally have footed the entire bill.
I have a concern about what exactly he's been found guilty of? Never tried in the UK, never been found guilty in the UK. Most information about him
Comes from politicians and the press (neither of them particularly trustworthy)
Glad he's gone, glad we used due process. His family by the way are not guilty of a crime or do we now get to despise the entirely family group based on hatred of one person in the family?
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Business as usual on here, really !! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I often wonder why bandwagons are so full. I suspect most of the hatred for Abu Banana is directed at him by people who have no idea what he's supposed to have done, what he is or isn't guilty of, what he said (actually said, not what the press said he said).
But what they absolutely know is, that they hate him!
I wonder how easy it would be to identify a totally innocent person (no I don't think he's totally innocent) and make them the most hated man in a country?
Remember in any public conversation the following rules apply to what was said
1) What you think you said
2) What they think you said
3) What you actually said
4) What the media said you said
Of these, usually only number 3 is accurate and nobody remembers that bit
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Errrrrrrrrrrm, he travelled on a false passport!!
Try it yourself - you'll find that if you get caught, you'll be thrown in the slammer, followed some time later by deportation!
Only this country with it's idiotic justice system could have let this carry on for so long!! |
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"Errrrrrrrrrrm, he travelled on a false passport!!
Try it yourself - you'll find that if you get caught, you'll be thrown in the slammer, followed some time later by deportation!
Only this country with it's idiotic justice system could have let this carry on for so long!!"
Not if (rightly, or wrongly) you can claim refugee status, given that a false passport may have been the only way out of the country you were fleeing from.
There are plenty of genuine refugees fleeing the likes of Somalia, Syria, Iran and Iraq at the moment that come in on false passports and are allowed to stay (and will never cause or incite harm to anyone). |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I was merely replying to the above post -but yes, some definitely do deserve refugee status but in my opinion, not 'hava banana'.
I watched one of his sermons on TV & if you're denouncing anything but the Muslim faith then I feel he picked the wrong country - only there's hardly a middle eastern country that practices freedom of speech, so I found him to be extremely hypocritical. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Errrrrrrrrrrm, he travelled on a false passport!!
Try it yourself - you'll find that if you get caught, you'll be thrown in the slammer, followed some time later by deportation!
Only this country with it's idiotic justice system could have let this carry on for so long!!"
He may well of done and you may well have watched him on tv, but I suspect we've not had even close to the full story.
As for idiotic justice system, actually England and Wales have a pretty good justice system. As a rule in the UK being hated isn't enough to imprison quite yet. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Errrrrrrrrrrm, he travelled on a false passport!!
Try it yourself - you'll find that if you get caught, you'll be thrown in the slammer, followed some time later by deportation!
Only this country with it's idiotic justice system could have let this carry on for so long!!
He may well of done and you may well have watched him on tv, but I suspect we've not had even close to the full story.
As for idiotic justice system, actually England and Wales have a pretty good justice system. As a rule in the UK being hated isn't enough to imprison quite yet. "
hillsborough, the Birmingham six, Stuart Hall, bloody sunday..................need I go on??? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Errrrrrrrrrrm, he travelled on a false passport!!
Try it yourself - you'll find that if you get caught, you'll be thrown in the slammer, followed some time later by deportation!
Only this country with it's idiotic justice system could have let this carry on for so long!!
He may well of done and you may well have watched him on tv, but I suspect we've not had even close to the full story.
As for idiotic justice system, actually England and Wales have a pretty good justice system. As a rule in the UK being hated isn't enough to imprison quite yet.
hillsborough, the Birmingham six, Stuart Hall, bloody sunday..................need I go on???"
And all the tens of thousands of cases where it works? What about Winterbourne view? What about the murderers, the thieves?
Trust me when I say, I've lived in places where there is no justice system and people get locked up regularly because the government doesn't approve of their ideas. That seems to be what people here want. Sadly the people that want it most eventually become the victims of it.
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Trust me when I say, I've lived in places where there is no justice system and people get locked up regularly because the government doesn't approve of their ideas. That seems to be what people here want. Sadly the people that want it most eventually become the victims of it.
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This has been a bugbear of mine or many years. People who say, bring in this law, bring in that law, I don't care as it doesn't affect me because I'm a law-abiding citizen.
How can they not see that as they let their civil liberties be eroded without a word of protest, that sooner or later they'll end up on the wrong side of the line ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Errrrrrrrrrrm, he travelled on a false passport!!
Try it yourself - you'll find that if you get caught, you'll be thrown in the slammer, followed some time later by deportation!
Only this country with it's idiotic justice system could have let this carry on for so long!!
He may well of done and you may well have watched him on tv, but I suspect we've not had even close to the full story.
As for idiotic justice system, actually England and Wales have a pretty good justice system. As a rule in the UK being hated isn't enough to imprison quite yet.
hillsborough, the Birmingham six, Stuart Hall, bloody sunday..................need I go on???
And all the tens of thousands of cases where it works? What about Winterbourne view? What about the murderers, the thieves?
Trust me when I say, I've lived in places where there is no justice system and people get locked up regularly because the government doesn't approve of their ideas. That seems to be what people here want. Sadly the people that want it most eventually become the victims of it.
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Yep, I too have traveled through (but not lived) corrupt countries, but I've also lived in a country that had far less corruption than here; police, politicians, judges, press, bankers, etc...... it's easy - & many politicians do it all the time, I've noticed - to compare to countries lower down the human rights scale, but there doesn't seem to be the will to improve the system. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I've lived in both types and agree that everywhere needs improvement. However the adjective to describe the justice system here sounds more like the ranting of a daily mail reporter. It needs improvement, but it's better than most |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've lived in both types and agree that everywhere needs improvement. However the adjective to describe the justice system here sounds more like the ranting of a daily mail reporter. It needs improvement, but it's better than most"
That's that same old tabloid/political phrase again;
Better than 'most' ......'most' of the world is the third world!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've lived in both types and agree that everywhere needs improvement. However the adjective to describe the justice system here sounds more like the ranting of a daily mail reporter. It needs improvement, but it's better than most
That's that same old tabloid/political phrase again;
Better than 'most' ......'most' of the world is the third world!!! "
Actually I'd say it
Was better than most of the developed world. Especially as the majority of the developed world base their systems on the British system. I'd say it's better than most of Europe as well. You clearly don't like the system of justice here but I'm confused as to why.
Is it that abu banana shouldn't have received a fair hearing and that the Birmingham should? Or Stuart hall shouldn't have been treated so leniently but that is being reviewed based on evidence not on emotion and "dislike". British Justice system has problems but isn't as broken as you seem to believe. But then I don't read the daily mail or daily express so I probably don't know the "truth". The reality is that Abu thingy wasn't deported originally because he was going to be prosecuted in a foreign country based on torture. The same btw could happen to any of us who travel and I'm sure we'd like Britain legal system to stand up for us as well. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm sorry, but I've never read a tabloid - I didn't think it was possible???
Yes, most of the capitalist world base their legal system on the British system because lets face it, the richer you are the more you can get away with crime - that's what it was designed for, by the upper classes of course. Best in the world at this, best in the world at that - it's all self proclamation!
I remember how it was drummed in to me as a kid through the media - but when I did escape Maggie's farm, I found my suspicions to be correct.
You 'cannot' have a fair & balanced society that can truly call itself 'Great' or 'United' when you've this despicable, antiquated class system concreted in to society. It stinks!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"are we still keeping his family in the lap of luxury?,£400,000 house,benefits a plenty courtesy of the hated british tax payers.(ie you and I).
the qatada brood will never ever work as daddy qatada has shown how easy it is for the protected muslims to milk the benefit system.
How are muslims protected? I think there are plenty of white, black, chinese who milk the system...sounds like ignorance to me"
Our daughter, son in law & granddaughter have been on the local housing list for almost 4 years. Council has bypassed them umpteen times to house immigrants. Sometimes it seems they have more rights than people who were born & bred here. |
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