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Dismantle it? So the Tories can sell it off for more profit for the already rich? Yeah, great.
Let's have a system like America where you can go bankrupt from paying for an illness to be treated, shall we. |
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over a year ago
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Happy Birthday NHS! 
Long may you reign as I dread a life without you. I have family in the the states where you have to pay for everything. It's not fun! |
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I think it's got a problem with a Socialist Mafia management. There are some managers who are on ridiculous amounts of money & they seem to have no responsibilities & even when they do move on they get another job in another part of the NHS on another lottery-winning style salary which cannot be justified. Try & reform it & these jumped up little Hitlers on huge wages protest about "unfair cuts" when they have big departments that are totally inefficient, & it is tehy who are the main problem. Never mind envy of the world, it's not even the envy of the third world. I have a Czech friend who would not use the system if she has a choice.
Singapore used to have an NHS type set-up but soon got rid of it after 20 years & now have a system which encourages people to live more healthily & gives people a budget for health care so that waste is very much discouraged. I think that they have the best way of providing health care. |
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It's just a vast black hole at the moment and very low staff morale, only ones that are happy are the overpaid consultants and management . This will only be resolved by a complete over haul and not tinkering at the edges |
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"I think it's got a problem with a Socialist Mafia management. There are some managers who are on ridiculous amounts of money & they seem to have no responsibilities & even when they do move on they get another job in another part of the NHS on another lottery-winning style salary which cannot be justified. Try & reform it & these jumped up little Hitlers on huge wages protest about "unfair cuts" when they have big departments that are totally inefficient, & it is tehy who are the main problem. Never mind envy of the world, it's not even the envy of the third world. I have a Czech friend who would not use the system if she has a choice.
Singapore used to have an NHS type set-up but soon got rid of it after 20 years & now have a system which encourages people to live more healthily & gives people a budget for health care so that waste is very much discouraged. I think that they have the best way of providing health care."
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I've lived in countries which operate on a health insurance system....a good friend of my husbands died because his insurance maxed out when he needed treatment for testicular cancer.
I don't think some people realise just how lucky we are to have the NHS. |
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"I've lived in countries which operate on a health insurance system....a good friend of my husbands died because his insurance maxed out when he needed treatment for testicular cancer.
I don't think some people realise just how lucky we are to have the NHS."
Exactly! Do we really want a system where people die when they can't afford medical attention?
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I don't want people dying because of stupid rules either. It's just that if we can stop the waste we can treat more people. People in this country are dying of cancers because of a postcode lottery according to what their local health authority can afford. Yet in the system we have free sex-changes & plastic surgeries which are totally non-essential. Part of teh problem is that the NHS is viewed as being so fantastical that they cannot do wrong. This leads to complacency & inefficiencies as nobody comes upto any scrutiny. The body in charge of looking into problems at Cumbria gave notice of their impending inspection visit & even then when they found problems they decided to ignore the problems so that the likes of B.Liar could gain political capital out of it whilst people died. That is totally wrong. |
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I've always been pro NHS. Can you image what it would be like if we paid for everything. When my dad died he was in ITU for 10days with s 24 hr nurse with him. He couldn't of had better treatment, no matter how much you paid. We have access to doctors, A&E units as soon as we become ill |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
I have had excellent care and attention from the NHS and I have experienced mediocre care. As I have long term medical conditions I know that just about anywhere else my treatment options would be severely limited.
We can do things better but I think there is plenty of healthy working life left in the NHS. |
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The average cost for an American family for health insurance (2 adults and two children under 16) is just over $4100 a year or around £2800, and that is under an employers subsidised healthcare system.
If the same family had a father that was self employed that figure would be around $7200 or £4800 per year.
Health insurance premiums are also spirally out of control with yearly inflation of around 12% in 2012.
Still think the NHS should be scrapped? |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"I've always been pro NHS. Can you image what it would be like if we paid for everything. When my dad died he was in ITU for 10days with s 24 hr nurse with him. He couldn't of had better treatment, no matter how much you paid. We have access to doctors, A&E units as soon as we become ill"
We have a family member in ITU right now. He's been there for nearly a month and could be there a while longer. |
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"The average cost for an American family for health insurance (2 adults and two children under 16) is just over $4100 a year or around £2800, and that is under an employers subsidised healthcare system.
If the same family had a father that was self employed that figure would be around $7200 or £4800 per year.
Health insurance premiums are also spirally out of control with yearly inflation of around 12% in 2012.
Still think the NHS should be scrapped?"
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"Needs to be dismantled and started Again "
Its being dismantled already so the private sector takes over. It would never start again its meant to be free to all at point of service this is being eroded hospitals are closing less accident and emergency places.
We should be proud of the nhs not constantly knocking it. I am not for one minute suggesting there are no issues but once its gone thats it.
Do not be fooled into thinking any different. Tories always wanted privatising it and even though it was not in manifestos they with help of cleggs crew they have got their way.
Just hope realise what we have before its too late. |
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"The average cost for an American family for health insurance (2 adults and two children under 16) is just over $4100 a year or around £2800, and that is under an employers subsidised healthcare system.
If the same family had a father that was self employed that figure would be around $7200 or £4800 per year.
Health insurance premiums are also spirally out of control with yearly inflation of around 12% in 2012.
Still think the NHS should be scrapped?
"Shudders at the thought" "
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I have been under the American health care....Under the military who got health care and to some families with children with major health issues was the only reason the family member enlisted in the military so their child health care could be covered...as they could not afford it otherwise...thank god for the NHS. I also agree there needs to be a crackdown on medical tourists...l |
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"I'd rather have this battered and broken NHS, then the yanks system! "
you say that, but have you ever used health care in the usa.
i have after a work accident while out there, and i can hand on heart say it was the best care i have ever recieved, it was payed for by insurance, otherwise i would have had to fly home, but money aside it was way better, but i do love the nhs, and people dont forget it isnt free, we all pay for it, and avarage out the tax bills then it isnt much cheeper |
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Do not knock it people!!! Unless you have lived overseas and have had to call upon the country's health system, you really do not know your luck!
I have lived in many countries (France, UK, Spain, Africa, Russia...) and have experienced their level of Health service...the UK is one I would recommend. It has his failures but dont we all?
Just my humble opinion! Happy Birthday NHS I hope you give yourself a health check from time to time! |
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"I'd rather have this battered and broken NHS, then the yanks system!
you say that, but have you ever used health care in the usa.
i have after a work accident while out there, and i can hand on heart say it was the best care i have ever recieved, it was payed for by insurance, otherwise i would have had to fly home, but money aside it was way better, but i do love the nhs, and people dont forget it isnt free, we all pay for it, and avarage out the tax bills then it isnt much cheeper"
The average cost per UK household for the NHS is £1180 a year....around a quarter of the cost in the States.
And yes, I have undertaken medical treatment in the United States, it was good, but no better than I have received over here. |
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"I'd rather have this battered and broken NHS, then the yanks system!
you say that, but have you ever used health care in the usa.
i have after a work accident while out there, and i can hand on heart say it was the best care i have ever recieved, it was payed for by insurance, otherwise i would have had to fly home, but money aside it was way better, but i do love the nhs, and people dont forget it isnt free, we all pay for it, and avarage out the tax bills then it isnt much cheeper"
The healthcare is amazing...if you can afford it. That's the point! |
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A subject very close to my heart, I have always admired the nhs. Lately it's had a lot of bad press, I for one am very lucky, to work on a small cardiac unit, and didn't understand the bad press it was receiving .... That is until... I helped out on a busy busy ward, the nursing staff where run off their feet, I then realised, where the bad press had come from, not for lack of trying there was just not enough of us to go round, I went home totally exhausted and very disheartened.
I have now been told my shifts are turning to long days... 7.00am to 20.00....and may have to be re-interviewed for my own job... It's just a shame the big wigs that sit at the top wielding the big sticks... Have probably never set foot on a hospital ward, let alone done a shift in a nurses shoes.
Having said that yes I have always thought it was one of the best 'free' services this country had to offer, sadly I'm not sure how much longer this will be the case for  |
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"A subject very close to my heart, I have always admired the nhs. Lately it's had a lot of bad press, I for one am very lucky, to work on a small cardiac unit, and didn't understand the bad press it was receiving .... That is until... I helped out on a busy busy ward, the nursing staff where run off their feet, I then realised, where the bad press had come from, not for lack of trying there was just not enough of us to go round, I went home totally exhausted and very disheartened.
I have now been told my shifts are turning to long days... 7.00am to 20.00....and may have to be re-interviewed for my own job... It's just a shame the big wigs that sit at the top wielding the big sticks... Have probably never set foot on a hospital ward, let alone done a shift in a nurses shoes.
Having said that yes I have always thought it was one of the best 'free' services this country had to offer, sadly I'm not sure how much longer this will be the case for "
This is in essense exactly what I meant by dismantling the nhs, it needs restructuring so that the top heavy management who absorb a disproportionate amount of money/resources are stream lined and resources are used elsewhere . I'm sure this will go some way towards re-igniting the morale within the service, and hence the quality of service.
Its about VFM - value for money for us taxpayers. |
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"I'd rather have this battered and broken NHS, then the yanks system!
you say that, but have you ever used health care in the usa.
i have after a work accident while out there, and i can hand on heart say it was the best care i have ever recieved, it was payed for by insurance, otherwise i would have had to fly home, but money aside it was way better, but i do love the nhs, and people dont forget it isnt free, we all pay for it, and avarage out the tax bills then it isnt much cheeper
The average cost per UK household for the NHS is £1180 a year....around a quarter of the cost in the States.
And yes, I have undertaken medical treatment in the United States, it was good, but no better than I have received over here."
I didn't know the figures. That's cheap for our nhs. But I've had a lot of time in hospitals and found the service to be slow and lacking. Not through the staff but the bad management. I once had to wait 2 weeks for an op while I took up an icu bed due to lack of operating staff. How is that cost effective?. I'm not knocking the people who work in the nhs as most are fantastic. |
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"Maybe people wouldn't be so quick to insist on it being dismantled if they knew the cost of the alternatives to the NHS.....
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Anyone who thinks the nhs is rubbish should watch any programme about the healthcare system in America! |
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I work for the NHS...I think we're very lucky to have it but right now im drowning in so much admin shit im struggling to actually care for people in a way id like to be cared for myself and im fed up of the nurses in our trust being the only members of the organisation that gets shat on regularly,nursing is'nt nursing anymore its 90% care managing documentation not people |
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Private insurance is fine if you can afford it.
What about those that have terminal illness, and no access to unlimited funds ????
How does a person on minimum wage pay £5,000 for health insurance ???? |
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"I work for the NHS...I think we're very lucky to have it but right now im drowning in so much admin shit im struggling to actually care for people in a way id like to be cared for myself and im fed up of the nurses in our trust being the only members of the organisation that gets shat on regularly,nursing is'nt nursing anymore its 90% care managing documentation not people "
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"Private insurance is fine if you can afford it.
What about those that have terminal illness, and no access to unlimited funds ????
How does a person on minimum wage pay £5,000 for health insurance ????"
Private insurance also rarely covers emergency care so if you break your leg at the weekend it's off to NHS you go! |
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"I work for the NHS...I think we're very lucky to have it but right now im drowning in so much admin shit im struggling to actually care for people in a way id like to be cared for myself and im fed up of the nurses in our trust being the only members of the organisation that gets shat on regularly,nursing is'nt nursing anymore its 90% care managing documentation not people "
I totally agree...I work in Community services and we are so short of nursing staff due to cuts and redundancy, moral is at its lowest ever known, staff sickness is an all-time high and yet our Management levels are higher than before the cuts...i hate going to work right now, and I've never said that ever! |
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"I work for the NHS...I think we're very lucky to have it but right now im drowning in so much admin shit im struggling to actually care for people in a way id like to be cared for myself and im fed up of the nurses in our trust being the only members of the organisation that gets shat on regularly,nursing is'nt nursing anymore its 90% care managing documentation not people
I totally agree...I work in Community services and we are so short of nursing staff due to cuts and redundancy, moral is at its lowest ever known, staff sickness is an all-time high and yet our Management levels are higher than before the cuts...i hate going to work right now, and I've never said that ever! "
Thats exactly how I feel and its sad to feel like that,im proud to be a nurse but I feel like that proudness is being chipped away at on a daily basis,I need my holiday thats coming up to get refreshed  |
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