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Heard today that Wales are looking to change the people donate organs after death
Instead of opting to donate they are suggesting unless you opt out your organs wil be donating
What are your views?
I personally think its a great idea! |
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"it's shit.
you are not the possession of the State."
Nobody is suggesting you Are a possession of anyone
If you don't want to donate it just takes a simple "opt out"
Surely thousands of people needing emergency donors could benefit from staying alive or having a better quality of life ! |
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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago
Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria |
I'm already on the donor list but would prefer an opt out scheme as then my family wouldn't need to be asked (even though they know my wishes). I know many people feel otherwise though, although I don't always understand the reasoning |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm already on the donor list but would prefer an opt out scheme as then my family wouldn't need to be asked (even though they know my wishes). I know many people feel otherwise though, although I don't always understand the reasoning "
In the Wales case they are allowing families to have the final say if they can prove the 'donor' would have opted out. Go figure! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Whether you opt in, or opt out, your next of kin will presumably still need to consent so it is all pretty academic anyway."
That really annoys me. It's my body, not my family's. If they go against my wishes and say my bits can't be donated... I'll....... haunt them!!  |
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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm already on the donor list but would prefer an opt out scheme as then my family wouldn't need to be asked (even though they know my wishes). I know many people feel otherwise though, although I don't always understand the reasoning
In the Wales case they are allowing families to have the final say if they can prove the 'donor' would have opted out. Go figure!"
Hells teeth...how on earth would they prove that...and if that's the case, what the hell is the point of it? |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm already on the donor list but would prefer an opt out scheme as then my family wouldn't need to be asked (even though they know my wishes). I know many people feel otherwise though, although I don't always understand the reasoning
In the Wales case they are allowing families to have the final say if they can prove the 'donor' would have opted out. Go figure!
Hells teeth...how on earth would they prove that...and if that's the case, what the hell is the point of it?"
Well with any luck anyone who wants to donate and know their families are against it would already be on the list. Its still a good idea though. |
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I just can't honestly think of a reason why anyone wouldn't want to donate
Once your dead the organs are no use . When people are suffering and staying needlessly I think it's a great idea
When I pop they can have what they want ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I just can't honestly think of a reason why anyone wouldn't want to donate
Once your dead the organs are no use . When people are suffering and staying needlessly I think it's a great idea
When I pop they can have what they want ! "
for me it's a mix of reasons.. one I don't trust I would get the best care if it were possible to say for arguments sake save 6 people but let me die... (Came from an ethics paper I did..)
But also as nonreligious as I am.... I strongly believe that I need to be as complete as possible.. missing organs worry me. May seem silly to you but not to me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I was doing my car tax on line the other week it had a link to sign up to organ donating so i did. If the loss of my life can save another then ill die happy!
I think its a good idea, i think someone is more likely to opt out if they dont want to do it than someone signing up if they do want to |
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"I was doing my car tax on line the other week it had a link to sign up to organ donating so i did. If the loss of my life can save another then ill die happy!
I think its a good idea, i think someone is more likely to opt out if they dont want to do it than someone signing up if they do want to "
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"I just can't honestly think of a reason why anyone wouldn't want to donate
Once your dead the organs are no use . When people are suffering and staying needlessly I think it's a great idea
When I pop they can have what they want !
for me it's a mix of reasons.. one I don't trust I would get the best care if it were possible to say for arguments sake save 6 people but let me die... (Came from an ethics paper I did..)
But also as nonreligious as I am.... I strongly believe that I need to be as complete as possible.. missing organs worry me. May seem silly to you but not to me. "
I would never knock an individual that's your belief and I for one have no reason to judge you
What my post did say was the way wakes were doing this was a good way and would save many lives
It would be so easy for people like yourself just to say " no thanks"
Simple as! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think its better for people to chose to be a donor. There will be a legal case I am sure some organs will be harvested only to find out the person had opted out. Far better to check someone has opted in in my view. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Sorry. I just don't think it should be an opt out thing... How will they know who has... I think it's to open for abuse.
However I do think that someone's wishes should be respected if they chose too. I think without a card or something written in medical records you should have to assume they were against it.
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"I think it's awful idea... I'll be opting out the instant it comes around near me. "
I agree - its an awful idea and I shall be opting out straight away - its not for the state to decide. Unfortunately its only come about because our AM's in Wales like to pretend they are important!! They're not! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think its better for people to chose to be a donor. There will be a legal case I am sure some organs will be harvested only to find out the person had opted out. Far better to check someone has opted in in my view. "
Yes I can see this pitfall. Not an easy answer then is it. But on the flip side to anyone opposing how would you feel if you or a family member needed a donor? I try to focus on the living aspect in this debate. I must say though, thinking of my loved ones giving is not easy and would take some strong will at a difficult time. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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Whilst I'm in favour of organ donation I suspect the sheer numbers of bodies making organs available will be outrun the available NHS budget - not only for transplant operations but the follow-up treatment and care which in some cases can last amny years.
While we're at it, will 'Welsh' organs be available for needy patients all over the UK or only in Wales/ |
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
Hull |
I've registered to have my organs donated after my death!
I view it as helping someone else who might have a better quality of life from donated organs.
After all, what the hell am I going to do with them all, when I'm 6' under?
A friend of mine was killed in a car accident 2 years ago; her parents knew of her wishes to donate her organs and 8 people benefited from her wishes. |
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I got a form for updating my provisional license yesterday and it said about organ donation yes/no, has anyone renewed their license recently done this and do they print something on the license that states if you are an organ donor or not? Seems like a good idea as I imagine most people if involved in an accident out and about, would have their wallet and license with them (if they have a license that is).
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not trying to stoke any fires but as i stand on the pro donor side of the fence i cant understand why people think its a bad idea, i would love to hear your reasons why?
My reasons for being pro donor and for the opt out sutuation rather than opt in are:
• as i said above, if someone has a negative view on sonething they are more likely to do something than someone with a positive view
• if the guidlines are followed correctly then countless people will have another chance at life or a much better standard of living
• if the loss of my life meant multiple people lived i would be happy with that. Now this is not a question of sacrificing life for others this is giving people the chance of life from someone who is already dead
• putting it in a practical way organs are spare parts for biological machines. Why watch them burn or rot away when they are precious
These are my views, everyone is entitled to their own and i respect that id just like to hear them to get an understanding of why someone would be against it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've registered to have my organs donated after my death!
I view it as helping someone else who might have a better quality of life from donated organs.
After all, what the hell am I going to do with them all, when I'm 6' under?
A friend of mine was killed in a car accident 2 years ago; her parents knew of her wishes to donate her organs and 8 people benefited from her wishes. "
To me thats the deal breaker. |
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"Not trying to stoke any fires but as i stand on the pro donor side of the fence i cant understand why people think its a bad idea, i would love to hear your reasons why?
My reasons for being pro donor and for the opt out sutuation rather than opt in are:
• as i said above, if someone has a negative view on sonething they are more likely to do something than someone with a positive view
• if the guidlines are followed correctly then countless people will have another chance at life or a much better standard of living
• if the loss of my life meant multiple people lived i would be happy with that. Now this is not a question of sacrificing life for others this is giving people the chance of life from someone who is already dead
• putting it in a practical way organs are spare parts for biological machines. Why watch them burn or rot away when they are precious
These are my views, everyone is entitled to their own and i respect that id just like to hear them to get an understanding of why someone would be against it"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Whilst I'm in favour of organ donation I suspect the sheer numbers of bodies making organs available will be outrun the available NHS budget - not only for transplant operations but the follow-up treatment and care which in some cases can last amny years.
While we're at it, will 'Welsh' organs be available for needy patients all over the UK or only in Wales/"
It is not quite as simple as dying and carrying a donor card in order to donate. There is a very strict medical criteria for the circumstances where harvesting is possible and whether people have opted in or out is not going to massively alter the number of potential donors. |
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"I can't imagine many of us would balk at donating our organs to our own children..so why would we not to other peoples children entirely escapes me.."
I agree and although I accept people's wishes and feelings about their rights to opt out
I'd go one step further and make it non optional
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm registered as a donor and my family know to donate anything they can if I die...we're all on the list anyway so I see no issue with my organs being donated when I go. I do however disagree with an automatic opt in as there will end up being organs removed from those that wouldn't have wanted it but didn't know they needed to opt out, or there was a technical glitch on a website when they tried to opt out and they didn't realise they were still on the 'yes' list. If you have opted in you have put your name on a list somewhere by choice and so there is less chance of errors in my eyes.
There are so many ways to opt in today that it doesn't really require effort...even Boots let you tick a box when you apply for an Advantage Card to opt in (my Boots card has a donor symbol on the reverse)...so I don't really think it is something people struggle to get round to if it it something they want to do.
I do however disagree with the fact that my family could potentially say no despite me expressing my consent...that should be changed. Why should they get the final say on something I have made clear that I want? That to me would be the same as them burying me when I want to be cremated. |
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"I can't imagine many of us would balk at donating our organs to our own children..so why would we not to other peoples children entirely escapes me..
I agree and although I accept people's wishes and feelings about their rights to opt out
I'd go one step further and make it non optional
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How on earth is making donation non-optional in the slightest bit accepting of other peoples wishes and feelings? Is it not totally imposing your view on them? |
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"I can't imagine many of us would balk at donating our organs to our own children..so why would we not to other peoples children entirely escapes me..
I agree and although I accept people's wishes and feelings about their rights to opt out
I'd go one step further and make it non optional
How on earth is making donation non-optional in the slightest bit accepting of other peoples wishes and feelings? Is it not totally imposing your view on them?"
Maybe I could have worded it a bit differently your honor
What I was trying to get at was from my point of view ( mine only ) I can't see one reason why when millions of people are waiting for a donor transplant that we allow perfectly good organs to be burned and burried
Then we often see cases where a young person is counting down the days to find a donor
Doesn't make sense at all to me and again I can't think of 1 reason why someone would choose to opt out
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I can't imagine many of us would balk at donating our organs to our own children..so why would we not to other peoples children entirely escapes me..
I agree and although I accept people's wishes and feelings about their rights to opt out
I'd go one step further and make it non optional
How on earth is making donation non-optional in the slightest bit accepting of other peoples wishes and feelings? Is it not totally imposing your view on them?
Maybe I could have worded it a bit differently your honor
What I was trying to get at was from my point of view ( mine only ) I can't see one reason why when millions of people are waiting for a donor transplant that we allow perfectly good organs to be burned and burried
Then we often see cases where a young person is counting down the days to find a donor
Doesn't make sense at all to me and again I can't think of 1 reason why someone would choose to opt out
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I too fail to see why people wouldn't want to donate but imposing it is totally wrong. Consent is everything, the state do not own mine or anybody elses cadaver and it is not their's too choose what is to be done with.
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"I can't imagine many of us would balk at donating our organs to our own children..so why would we not to other peoples children entirely escapes me..
I agree and although I accept people's wishes and feelings about their rights to opt out
I'd go one step further and make it non optional
How on earth is making donation non-optional in the slightest bit accepting of other peoples wishes and feelings? Is it not totally imposing your view on them?
Maybe I could have worded it a bit differently your honor
What I was trying to get at was from my point of view ( mine only ) I can't see one reason why when millions of people are waiting for a donor transplant that we allow perfectly good organs to be burned and burried
Then we often see cases where a young person is counting down the days to find a donor
Doesn't make sense at all to me and again I can't think of 1 reason why someone would choose to opt out
I too fail to see why people wouldn't want to donate but imposing it is totally wrong. Consent is everything, the state do not own mine or anybody elses cadaver and it is not their's too choose what is to be done with.
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Absolutely agree with you - we had a similar conversation some weeks ago, did nt we... I reserve the right not wanting to be a donor and I find it important that people have a right to opt in rather than opt out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What do you need organs for once your dead anyway?
I think opting in is a great thing to do. If it changes so your a donor and you opt out your personally going out of your way to make sure somebody doesn't get a second chance which I think is a little selfish. Once your dead you don't need organs
Im a blood donor and once I'm gone they can take all the organs they need. I'd be disappointed if there was something left to bury |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I can't imagine many of us would balk at donating our organs to our own children..so why would we not to other peoples children entirely escapes me..
I agree and although I accept people's wishes and feelings about their rights to opt out
I'd go one step further and make it non optional
How on earth is making donation non-optional in the slightest bit accepting of other peoples wishes and feelings? Is it not totally imposing your view on them?
Maybe I could have worded it a bit differently your honor
What I was trying to get at was from my point of view ( mine only ) I can't see one reason why when millions of people are waiting for a donor transplant that we allow perfectly good organs to be burned and burried
Then we often see cases where a young person is counting down the days to find a donor
Doesn't make sense at all to me and again I can't think of 1 reason why someone would choose to opt out
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Religious reasons are a starting point. Personal preference is another. Whilst I have no issue with donating my bits when I'm gone some don't want to have a surgeon chopping at their dead body or passing over 'incomplete'. Some also don't like the idea that they can't vet who gets their organs (I know that's difficult to do when you're dead but they may not want someone with a criminal record to have their organs). Whatever the reasons I don't need to know them, I just know that their thoughts on what happens to their bodies should be their choice. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Fantastic idea, my hubby always wanted o donate but due to the severity of his organs upon his death we were unable to donate anything at all..... Maybe it would have helped me I'm my grief more knowing he'd helped save others. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I feel very strongly about organ donation, in that I want mine to be used if they can be and without my family being able to override my wishes if/ when the time came. I also wish that more people would sign up to donate as they would help so many people.
However I feel just as strongly that people should be able to opt out if they want to. It doesn't matter to me what their reasons are. It's their body and they have the right to choose. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes I'm all for this. So long as people can decide to opt out that's fine. "
+1.....
Although the only useful bit would be my brain which has never been used...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think it's a brilliant idea. I have no objection to donating. . When I'm dead, I'm dead. But being lazy I haven't registered and probably won't bother. On the other hand, if someone objects that badly they will make sure to opt out. Makes perfect sense to me as I think people are essentially lazy.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You should have to opt in, you should have to opt out everyone should be made to say one way or another. How we do that could be up for debate but it should be a question everyone is asked and everyone answers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No real need for automatic opt-in. All that is required is a big publicity drive on the donation issue. Make the places you can opt-in, more numerous and obvious. I opted-in when I renewed the car tax. But I had carried a card for years (they don't last forever in my wallet). Get more websites linked to the donation database.
Slightly off subject, why do we not get the blood wagons coming to places of work anymore? That was a good skive!
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"You should have to opt in, you should have to opt out everyone should be made to say one way or another. How we do that could be up for debate but it should be a question everyone is asked and everyone answers. "
That would be good too...maybe add it to electoral registers so that you record a yes or no answer. There will still be the odd one or two people that slip through the net but there would be less debate over it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You should have to opt in, you should have to opt out everyone should be made to say one way or another. How we do that could be up for debate but it should be a question everyone is asked and everyone answers.
That would be good too...maybe add it to electoral registers so that you record a yes or no answer. There will still be the odd one or two people that slip through the net but there would be less debate over it"
Possibly that way I would go as far as making doctors, dentists etc make everyone fill in a form before treatment and for it to be a question at benefits offices etc use the infrastructure we already have. |
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By *livia_KWoman
over a year ago
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"You should have to opt in, you should have to opt out everyone should be made to say one way or another. How we do that could be up for debate but it should be a question everyone is asked and everyone answers.
That would be good too...maybe add it to electoral registers so that you record a yes or no answer. There will still be the odd one or two people that slip through the net but there would be less debate over it"
Or why doesn't your doctor just put it on your medical records next time you go. Tick a box (to opt in or out), sign a form, job done. And have this done whenever a person registers with a doctor. The effort would me minimal and so would the admin. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think opt out is good idea as plenty people don't think to reg,dont make a decidion or don't mind ither way so opt out system means people in need get life saving organs. I do disagree with next of kin making decision as what if they are strongly against donation but u are strongly for? Then thry poss will not donate when it's not what u wanted |
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"You should have to opt in, you should have to opt out everyone should be made to say one way or another. How we do that could be up for debate but it should be a question everyone is asked and everyone answers.
That would be good too...maybe add it to electoral registers so that you record a yes or no answer. There will still be the odd one or two people that slip through the net but there would be less debate over it
Or why doesn't your doctor just put it on your medical records next time you go. Tick a box (to opt in or out), sign a form, job done. And have this done whenever a person registers with a doctor. The effort would me minimal and so would the admin."
Can't fault that it would be on the right records and within 5 years I would think most of the population would be on it. |
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"I think it's a brilliant idea. I have no objection to donating. . When I'm dead, I'm dead. But being lazy I haven't registered and probably won't bother. On the other hand, if someone objects that badly they will make sure to opt out. Makes perfect sense to me as I think people are essentially lazy.
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"You should have to opt in, you should have to opt out everyone should be made to say one way or another. How we do that could be up for debate but it should be a question everyone is asked and everyone answers. "
Completely agree ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think it's awful idea... I'll be opting out the instant it comes around near me. "
Would you therefore decline an organ donated to save yourself or a loved one if so its hypocrisy at the highest level.
If your principle is so strong and you will under no circumtances accept a donated organ then thats another thing. |
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"So should we all be donating a mandatory pint of blood on a bi annual basis unless we've opted out?
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No. The post is clearly about the opting out options proposed in Wales
Nowhere in my post does it mention blood donors
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I agree in principle although if I had an open casket and my family looked at my dead face, I'd prefer a pair of sunglasses or coins rather than empty holes where my eyes had been removed. Perhaps a small thank you note tucked in, discreetly. Even better if the people my body parts saved all came to the funeral and announced what body parts of mine they had, like a map. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think it's awful idea... I'll be opting out the instant it comes around near me.
Would you therefore decline an organ donated to save yourself or a loved one if so its hypocrisy at the highest level.
If your principle is so strong and you will under no circumtances accept a donated organ then thats another thing."
I don't know without having to be in that situation... I wouldn't deny a loved one obviously... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Probably a bit in your face but what right do you have to expect a transplant or any kind of care if you're not prepared to contribute yourself. It's definitely time to put science first and religious and ideological beliefs second. While we are at it we shouldakw autopsies a default too, to truly understand exactly why and how someone died which can only help improve diagnostic medicine.
I appreciate people's right to or out as long as they appreciate this would also off them off the transplant recipient list. As for family, it's none of their business. You're dead. Surely the idea of promoting a life can should be a positive in grief?
Personally I'm hoping that several people get to take advantage of my bits when I'm gone. I'm not religious in anyway but I'm all for insurance. my good deeds might just get me a day pass at the pearly gates if they do exist!
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can't believe that so many people think that an opt-out requirement is a good idea because it suits them as they're lazy or they can see that they might benefit from the donations of others.
it's not about that !
if you're too lazy to opt-in but you can see that you might benefit from the donation of others, get off your fat arse and opt-in. it's not too tricky. if you're that lazy, you're probably no benefit to humanity anyway so do the rest of us a favour and opt-in then kill yourself - at least your organs might be of some benefit to the rest of us.
if you think it's a good idea to have presumed consent just because it means that there are so many more potential donors, then let's imagine presumed consent was extended to your bank account - on your death, the state can take all your money unless you've opted-out - you'd opt-out wouldn't you ? i would. but i'm in charge of the opt-out database and you're not, so i'm going to lose some records in the database and suddenly you (plus a few million others) are no longer opting-out - so your money is gone and there's nothing you can do about it as you're dead.
everyone is already free to opt-in. as has been said, there are multiple avenues through which people can/do opt-in, so why the need for an opt-out requirement? none.
people might not want to be donors for any number of reasons - i can only think of religious/spiritual & phychological reasons - but it's their business, their body, and is nothing to do with the rest of us.
and before you ask, yes i'm an opt-in person, yes my family know, and yes i'm a blood donor [good point _icecouple561]. i just happen to think that nobody bar me has the right to say what should automatically happen to my body after my death. if my family don't follow my will, that's their lookout - it isn't a matter for the state. |
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Something that will stay with me forever on this subject was a friend of mine... She was very pro donate until she tragically lost her baby girl at 4 days old...
While on a life support machine she was asked about donating from her little girl.... I was horrified that at that moment they could ask and in my mind quite rightly she refused... Why would they ask when she still hoped for a miracle.
I could never allow my children to be cut up before they died. To me it amounts to mutilating their still warm body's... I know most see it as something else but to me that's what it is xxx |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"......While on a life support machine she was asked about donating from her little girl.... I was horrified that at that moment they could ask and in my mind quite rightly she refused... Why would they ask when she still hoped for a miracle."
Time is of the essence whan it comes to donation and parents, understandably, sometimes need a bit of time to decide what to do.
"I could never allow my children to be cut up before they died. To me it amounts to mutilating their still warm body's... I know most see it as something else but to me that's what it is xxx"
Nobody gets 'cut up' before they die, other than as part of treatment to help preserve that patient's life. |
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"......While on a life support machine she was asked about donating from her little girl.... I was horrified that at that moment they could ask and in my mind quite rightly she refused... Why would they ask when she still hoped for a miracle.
Time is of the essence whan it comes to donation and parents, understandably, sometimes need a bit of time to decide what to do.
I could never allow my children to be cut up before they died. To me it amounts to mutilating their still warm body's... I know most see it as something else but to me that's what it is xxx
Nobody gets 'cut up' before they die, other than as part of treatment to help preserve that patient's life."
I said still warm.. it's not happening to my children. Sorry. |
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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago
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"Something that will stay with me forever on this subject was a friend of mine... She was very pro donate until she tragically lost her baby girl at 4 days old...
While on a life support machine she was asked about donating from her little girl.... I was horrified that at that moment they could ask and in my mind quite rightly she refused... Why would they ask when she still hoped for a miracle.
I could never allow my children to be cut up before they died. To me it amounts to mutilating their still warm body's... I know most see it as something else but to me that's what it is xxx"
Unfortunately although it seems macabre it is something that has to be asked by the medical profession, when you die your body starts to deteriorate slowly as the oxygen and blood that used to flow through them stops and they begin to deteriorate to the point whereby they are unusable, the question has to be asked as close to death as possible so they can be removed and transported to where they are needed before they become unusable.
Having lost many friends and relatives I was glad that some of them wanted to donate as I knew their characters well enough to know that they would have wanted their death to have some positive outcome to it.
The doctors would never take a life to save another, they themselves have friends and family and know they would be asked the same questions about someone they cared for, they know that the person had actually died and it needed asking as there was no hope of recovery. |
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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago
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"Heard today that Wales are looking to change the people donate organs after death
Instead of opting to donate they are suggesting unless you opt out your organs wil be donating
What are your views?
I personally think its a great idea! "
Best idea ever.......the whole country should adopt that practice |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"......While on a life support machine she was asked about donating from her little girl.... I was horrified that at that moment they could ask and in my mind quite rightly she refused... Why would they ask when she still hoped for a miracle.
Time is of the essence whan it comes to donation and parents, understandably, sometimes need a bit of time to decide what to do.
I could never allow my children to be cut up before they died. To me it amounts to mutilating their still warm body's... I know most see it as something else but to me that's what it is xxx
Nobody gets 'cut up' before they die, other than as part of treatment to help preserve that patient's life.
I said still warm.. it's not happening to my children. Sorry. "
You said (and I quote) "I could never allow my children to be cut up before they died." |
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Nobody gets 'cut up' before they die, other than as part of treatment to help preserve that patient's life."
Depends how you define before they die. To donate you need to be brain dead. The organs are harvested in theatre and although the person is certified dead before harvesting they are taken to theatre on a ventilator and with any other support needed to prevent cardiac arrest.
And I think that is why many families refuse consent. Turning a ventilator off and watching a loved one pass peacefully is a horrible thing to do, watching then be wheeled away, supported by the same machines that have kept them "alive" for hours, if not days, must be imaginable difficult |
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"......While on a life support machine she was asked about donating from her little girl.... I was horrified that at that moment they could ask and in my mind quite rightly she refused... Why would they ask when she still hoped for a miracle.
Time is of the essence whan it comes to donation and parents, understandably, sometimes need a bit of time to decide what to do.
I could never allow my children to be cut up before they died. To me it amounts to mutilating their still warm body's... I know most see it as something else but to me that's what it is xxx
Nobody gets 'cut up' before they die, other than as part of treatment to help preserve that patient's life.
I said still warm.. it's not happening to my children. Sorry.
You said (and I quote) "I could never allow my children to be cut up before they died.""
They are not dead though are they, as pointed out in a previous post. |
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"They are not dead though are they, as pointed out in a previous post. "
when we donated organs the doctors explained that he was brain dead and the machine was just keeping him alive for the purposes of removing the organs .. they offered to allow us to witness tests that would prove this which we declined to witness |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"......While on a life support machine she was asked about donating from her little girl.... I was horrified that at that moment they could ask and in my mind quite rightly she refused... Why would they ask when she still hoped for a miracle.
Time is of the essence whan it comes to donation and parents, understandably, sometimes need a bit of time to decide what to do.
I could never allow my children to be cut up before they died. To me it amounts to mutilating their still warm body's... I know most see it as something else but to me that's what it is xxx
Nobody gets 'cut up' before they die, other than as part of treatment to help preserve that patient's life.
I said still warm.. it's not happening to my children. Sorry. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't agree with this. I think ppl have the right NOT to opt into organ donation!
I have opted to donate, and I have had to make my feelings perfectly clear to my two daughters and my mother, as two don't agree with it!
Each to their own... My family understand my reasons and WILL if and when the time comes sign the papers! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Probably a bit in your face but what right do you have to expect a transplant or any kind of care if you're not prepared to contribute yourself. It's definitely time to put science first and religious and ideological beliefs second. While we are at it we shouldakw autopsies a default too, to truly understand exactly why and how someone died which can only help improve diagnostic medicine.
I appreciate people's right to or out as long as they appreciate this would also off them off the transplant recipient list. As for family, it's none of their business. You're dead. Surely the idea of promoting a life can should be a positive in grief?
Personally I'm hoping that several people get to take advantage of my bits when I'm gone. I'm not religious in anyway but I'm all for insurance. my good deeds might just get me a day pass at the pearly gates if they do exist!
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You have the same right to receive a donated organ if not a donor yourself as a smoker with respiratory problems, a boozer with alcohol related problems, a junkie with drug related problems and everybody else who does something stupid and gets injured because of their own stupidity. The NHS shouldn't, and doesn't, discriminate against patients whose medical problems are entirely their own fault. But as I said in the other thread on this subject, under the current English system, the doctors/medics in the A&E resus room don't have access to the information that their patient is or isn't on the donor list. The question remains as to whether they would try as hard to revive or resuscitate a near-fatal patient if they have donatable organs. One would hope they employ ALL their ethics in such cases. |
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I guess if people feel strongly enough then they'll opt out. I don't think it's a bad idea at all. People do still have the right to choose, they just have to make that choice.
My guess would be there are more people who want to donate but just haven't got round to registering than there are people who would object to donating.
If some of my bits can be of use to anyone after I'm past needing them then that's great. I'm already registered and my family are aware of my wishes, as I am theirs.
Blood donation on the other hand I have a huge problem with! I don't donate out of principle. Their requirements are out of date and having had an in depth discussion with one of the staff at the blood donation centre about the testing of blood, I'm never going to donate ever again and hope to fuck I never need anyone else's blood.
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"So should we all be donating a mandatory pint of blood on a bi annual basis unless we've opted out?
No. The post is clearly about the opting out options proposed in Wales
Nowhere in my post does it mention blood donors
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I'm well aware of that but this is one of several next next logical steps the blood bank is woefully short of deposits, people are suffering because of that and it does save lives. |
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"im a little ignorant on the blood donation thing as i dont qualify to donate ..what are your reservations ?"
I was a regular at blood donation, but as a diabetic I can't always donate when my suger levels are not level... I do what I can when I can  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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There are foreigners in his country who don't even believe in blood transfusions never mind donating organs. So how is the doctor going to explain to the patients family that they are going to go against their beliefs just because the government says its the right thing to do  . I personally think its disgusting. People should be able to decide what they want to do with their own body. |
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"I'm already on the donor list but would prefer an opt out scheme as then my family wouldn't need to be asked (even though they know my wishes). I know many people feel otherwise though, although I don't always understand the reasoning
In the Wales case they are allowing families to have the final say if they can prove the 'donor' would have opted out. Go figure!"
Even when people opt in and carry the card, it's often families that stick their nose in and object. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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" Even when people opt in and carry the card, it's often families that stick their nose in and object."
That's the bit I simply don't get.
If someone has made the choice to become an organ donor, what possible business is it of anyone else to second guess that decision?
It's almost as if the person refusing permission is doing it out of a perverse desire to thwart what is essentially a person's dying wish. |
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Even when people opt in and carry the card, it's often families that stick their nose in and object."
Having been through the donation process, it is actually quite a traumatic process. We were asked to donate by doctors who advised us that they had kept a family member who was essentially brain dead, alive on a life support machine, for no other reason than they had people already lined up around the UK for his organs. This was quite a shock and we were asked if they could have our consent to use them. we agreed to this thinking we could now leave the hospital and get some kind of peace but no .. once you have agreed you have to wait for 'donor counsellor' to come and chat with you to ensure that you know what you are agreeing to which took a further hour and a half for her to arrive and then she went on to ask us to witness the operation to ensure that it was done in a dignified manner. When we declined to watch the operation, she advised us that she would do it on our behalf but went on to describe in quite a lot of detail what she was about to witness. |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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As far as I am concerned, when I am gone, they can have any part of me that might help someone else, after all, I don't need it any more, but then I do carry a donor card and immediate family know, so I do think it is a good idea that might help people with a difficult decision to make x |
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over a year ago
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Stupid question coming up here, but if you donate your body to science (or is that different to organ donating ). If people want to see you to show their respects. Where do they go as you don't get buried or have ashes do you |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Stupid question coming up here, but if you donate your body to science (or is that different to organ donating ). If people want to see you to show their respects. Where do they go as you don't get buried or have ashes do you "
I dunno about other places but Glasgow University (which has first refusal on my body) invite you to organise a Memorial Service should you wish but remains may not be available for 2-3 years and which point THEY dispose of whatever is left, either by cremation or burial "without any further reference to the relatives". |
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"I'm already on the donor list but would prefer an opt out scheme as then my family wouldn't need to be asked (even though they know my wishes). I know many people feel otherwise though, although I don't always understand the reasoning
In the Wales case they are allowing families to have the final say if they can prove the 'donor' would have opted out. Go figure!
Even when people opt in and carry the card, it's often families that stick their nose in and object."
Although you could specify in your will that anybody who goes against your wishes to donate will receive nothing- and tell everyone this- then hint at everyone you don't trust that you have excellent cover and have left them a good amount |
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over a year ago
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I think the decision by the welsh assembly is a great decision and will save lives simple
On a similar note a friend recently lost his mother and she had requested to donate her body to medical science, however as she died the day she was meant to sign the form the family and hospital were unable to complete her wishes |
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"Stupid question coming up here, but if you donate your body to science (or is that different to organ donating ). If people want to see you to show their respects. Where do they go as you don't get buried or have ashes do you
I dunno about other places but Glasgow University (which has first refusal on my body) invite you to organise a Memorial Service should you wish but remains may not be available for 2-3 years and which point THEY dispose of whatever is left, either by cremation or burial "without any further reference to the relatives"."
Exactly. When someone I know dies. I would like to think I could go to the cemetery or maybe wherever their ashes are scattered. That should be local for all family/friends concerned and they shouldn't have to wait either. |
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"Stupid question coming up here, but if you donate your body to science (or is that different to organ donating ). If people want to see you to show their respects. Where do they go as you don't get buried or have ashes do you
I dunno about other places but Glasgow University (which has first refusal on my body) invite you to organise a Memorial Service should you wish but remains may not be available for 2-3 years and which point THEY dispose of whatever is left, either by cremation or burial "without any further reference to the relatives".
Exactly. When someone I know dies. I would like to think I could go to the cemetery or maybe wherever their ashes are scattered. That should be local for all family/friends concerned and they shouldn't have to wait either. "
I think you are missing the point of what is meant by the phrase "donating your body to medical science" - that is how the body is disposed of. |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
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There's no need to have a place to go, you can remember the deceased any time any where. My Dad's aches are scattered further North to a place my Mum and Dad went often when they were courting. I remember him every day without having to visit where his ashes are scattered.
His organs couldn't be used but I'm sure my Mum would have allowed them to be used for transplant as my Dad donated blood all his life and gave over 50 pints.
I would gladly donate any organ of mine although as a recipient of blood I am no longer allowed to donate blood so not sure what the position is with organ donation. |
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over a year ago
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Sadly most of my organs would be no good to anyone, so plan on leaving mine for medical research
would i trust the systems to have the right info mmmmmmmm not sure |
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over a year ago
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I'm happy to donate anything that gives someone a better quality of life... I have one kidney . Which is temperamental to say the least , half a bladder and a heart that beats way too fast. But everything else is up for grabs ! X  |
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I remember reading this article a few years ago..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1105062/Organs-50-NHS-donors-sold-foreigners-pay-75-000-each.html
Admin - please delete the message if the link is against any rules.. |
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"There's no need to have a place to go, you can remember the deceased any time any where. My Dad's aches are scattered further North to a place my Mum and Dad went often when they were courting. I remember him every day without having to visit where his ashes are scattered.
His organs couldn't be used but I'm sure my Mum would have allowed them to be used for transplant as my Dad donated blood all his life and gave over 50 pints.
I would gladly donate any organ of mine although as a recipient of blood I am no longer allowed to donate blood so not sure what the position is with organ donation. "
I agree you can think about people wherever you are, but sometimes things get too much and some people want to spend a quiet few minutes thinking about someone and sometimes that isn't easy. So going to a place where they are scattered or buried can be a good thing. |
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"Heard today that Wales are looking to change the people donate organs after death
Instead of opting to donate they are suggesting unless you opt out your organs wil be donating
What are your views?
I personally think its a great idea!
Best idea ever.......the whole country should adopt that practice "
Here here |
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"Stupid question coming up here, but if you donate your body to science (or is that different to organ donating ). If people want to see you to show their respects. Where do they go as you don't get buried or have ashes do you
I dunno about other places but Glasgow University (which has first refusal on my body) invite you to organise a Memorial Service should you wish but remains may not be available for 2-3 years and which point THEY dispose of whatever is left, either by cremation or burial "without any further reference to the relatives"."
Personally I'm undecided on leaving body to medical science. I feel there should be a funeral but both my parents have made their feelings known and when time comes ill action their request like was done for my gran. Very generous leaving body to medical science and within few months get letter from uni thanking and tht thry are done and details of when where cremation will be and family are invited |
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My dad died suddenly at 57 years old and we had never discussed organ donation
I was witness to the nurses doing everything they could to revive him but sadly he was gone
I was in complete shock and obviously upset beyond words
As hard as it must be for nurses and doctors to ask the question about organ donors ... They did
Without hesitation myself , mum and sister said ofcourse
With so many people waiting for life saving donors we thought it would be a marvellous thing to give someone a chance at life !
I just hope and pray that those who point blank refuse to donate are never in a position to be in drastic need for an organ
I'd bet my bottom dollar if they or their close family members were in desperate need they would have different thoughts |
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By *andWCouple
over a year ago
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Ill be honest I haven't read thro the 110 replies, but as a welsh person I think it's a fantastic idea, it's an awful thought but we could be hit by a bus anytime and who wouldn't want to help somebody else live if we couldn't?
I'm actually on the organ donor list because imagine you having a spare something but without it a parent to some children would die?
So bring on the donors brave and selfless xx |
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There is good and bad reasons to have it done. People who have said they wish the people's family would get an illness if they don't. May I ask what has that person done wrong to deserve that. Not their fault someone else in their family wanted to dispose of their body differently. Also you saying that all these people who have died at war and had burials at sea. You saying because they didn't donate an organ their wife deserves to suffer on top of losing a loved one .
I am not apposed to people donating as I think good for them, well done, etc. Its the fact the government are telling us what we have to do is the hard bit to swallow. |
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why would you not want to help someone after your death
your bodies no good to you once your dead so why would you not want someone else to make use of it?
I bet there's not a single person on here who wouldn't take a heart of a kidney for their dying child if they needed it and a match was found so why wouldn't you do that for someone else's loved one? |
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"why would you not want to help someone after your death
your bodies no good to you once your dead so why would you not want someone else to make use of it?
I bet there's not a single person on here who wouldn't take a heart of a kidney for their dying child if they needed it and a match was found so why wouldn't you do that for someone else's loved one?"
As I stated earlier. Some religions forbid this as it goes against everything they believe in and yes they would see their own child die than go against their beliefs. So they will be disgusted that they are automatically put into it without being asked. Also people aren't against the idea of donating. Its the fact the government are butting in is where people are getting annoyed as it should be their choice or atleast the families. |
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So much negativity coming through about this
Why do people suggest that the government are forcing you to do this
... No they are not
They are just doing what seems like common sense ... Most people on this planet would happily donate . However as we know life sometimes gets in the way and finding the time to fill in a form is the last thing on people's minds
By turning this around . More people would benefit
And those people who are so against it
Just have to opt out ... Simple
Instead of the negativity and what ifs
Why can't we see the good and think about the suffering and people desperate for help ?
Surely knowing in your death or that of a loved one that you have transformed other people's lives outweighs any negatives
Or is that just wishful thinking ? |
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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago
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"There are foreigners in his country who don't even believe in blood transfusions never mind donating organs. So how is the doctor going to explain to the patients family that they are going to go against their beliefs just because the government says its the right thing to do . I personally think its disgusting. People should be able to decide what they want to do with their own body. "
You are not 100% right on that one, there are people of certain religious faiths who do not accept transfusions.
It has nothing to do with their race it is their religion that says it is not acceptable. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"As I stated earlier. Some religions forbid this as it goes against everything they believe in and yes they would see their own child die than go against their beliefs.........."
Excellent! Helps saves lives AND annoys the **** out of religious folks at the same time?
That's my kinda legislation |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"If the make the opting out process purposely long and complex then they'll get as many organs as they want!"
That is precisely what worries me and from personal experience I do not trust the system. Through opting out we would not have a genuine choice anymore and while I have no objection to people donating whatever they wish to donate... I do not want to be part of it. I do not want to receive organs from anyone other than close family and I do not wish to be a donor to anybody other than said family - end of.Therefore I think it is very unethical to have to opt out of any system as this still assumes my body belongs not to me but to the government or one of its organisation.
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think its a great idea, put it this way, you are in an accident and you are critical and need a liver for example.......
they come back to you and say sorry there is no donors your going to DIE
would that make you think again, you would probably think fuck it, no 1 was there for me so bollox to every 1 else |
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"why would you not want to help someone after your death
your bodies no good to you once your dead so why would you not want someone else to make use of it?
I bet there's not a single person on here who wouldn't take a heart of a kidney for their dying child if they needed it and a match was found so why wouldn't you do that for someone else's loved one?
As I stated earlier. Some religions forbid this as it goes against everything they believe in and yes they would see their own child die than go against their beliefs. So they will be disgusted that they are automatically put into it without being asked. Also people aren't against the idea of donating. Its the fact the government are butting in is where people are getting annoyed as it should be their choice or atleast the families."
that's fair enough, but as I stated on another thread I think anyone who ops out should be refused a life saving op if they ever get ill, ok this wont affect the likes of jehovah's witnesses as they wouldn't want one anyway but for those who just don't like the idea, my answer to those are, if you don't give, you don't get
Maybe if people thought they or their children would be refused such help they may think twice about helping others |
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"why would you not want to help someone after your death
your bodies no good to you once your dead so why would you not want someone else to make use of it?
I bet there's not a single person on here who wouldn't take a heart of a kidney for their dying child if they needed it and a match was found so why wouldn't you do that for someone else's loved one?
As I stated earlier. Some religions forbid this as it goes against everything they believe in and yes they would see their own child die than go against their beliefs. So they will be disgusted that they are automatically put into it without being asked. Also people aren't against the idea of donating. Its the fact the government are butting in is where people are getting annoyed as it should be their choice or atleast the families.
that's fair enough, but as I stated on another thread I think anyone who ops out should be refused a life saving op if they ever get ill, ok this wont affect the likes of jehovah's witnesses as they wouldn't want one anyway but for those who just don't like the idea, my answer to those are, if you don't give, you don't get
Maybe if people thought they or their children would be refused such help they may think twice about helping others "
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In theory it is a good idea, but I can see there being strong opposition to it.
I am all for organ donation, but some of my friends and family are dead against it. |
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"why would you not want to help someone after your death
your bodies no good to you once your dead so why would you not want someone else to make use of it?
I bet there's not a single person on here who wouldn't take a heart of a kidney for their dying child if they needed it and a match was found so why wouldn't you do that for someone else's loved one?
As I stated earlier. Some religions forbid this as it goes against everything they believe in and yes they would see their own child die than go against their beliefs. So they will be disgusted that they are automatically put into it without being asked. Also people aren't against the idea of donating. Its the fact the government are butting in is where people are getting annoyed as it should be their choice or atleast the families.
that's fair enough, but as I stated on another thread I think anyone who ops out should be refused a life saving op if they ever get ill, ok this wont affect the likes of jehovah's witnesses as they wouldn't want one anyway but for those who just don't like the idea, my answer to those are, if you don't give, you don't get
Maybe if people thought they or their children would be refused such help they may think twice about helping others "
May I ask what you think of these things?
1. People who have been buried at sea. People who have served in the forces.
2. Some people like to have their ashes scattered in a place that either meant the most to them and had special meaning to them. Like a husband might want to scatter his ashes in an area where he first dated his wife or vice versa.
Are either of those considered selfish? |
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I've signed up to donate. If upon my death I can help some other poor ill person prolong theirs, then why the fuck would I not do that? Anyone can have anything from me, apart from my eyes.. Don't even ask me why coz I don't know the answer to that. A bit weird about the eyes!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"why would you not want to help someone after your death
your bodies no good to you once your dead so why would you not want someone else to make use of it?
I bet there's not a single person on here who wouldn't take a heart of a kidney for their dying child if they needed it and a match was found so why wouldn't you do that for someone else's loved one?
As I stated earlier. Some religions forbid this as it goes against everything they believe in and yes they would see their own child die than go against their beliefs. So they will be disgusted that they are automatically put into it without being asked. Also people aren't against the idea of donating. Its the fact the government are butting in is where people are getting annoyed as it should be their choice or atleast the families.
that's fair enough, but as I stated on another thread I think anyone who ops out should be refused a life saving op if they ever get ill, ok this wont affect the likes of jehovah's witnesses as they wouldn't want one anyway but for those who just don't like the idea, my answer to those are, if you don't give, you don't get
Maybe if people thought they or their children would be refused such help they may think twice about helping others
May I ask what you think of these things?
1. People who have been buried at sea. People who have served in the forces.
2. Some people like to have their ashes scattered in a place that either meant the most to them and had special meaning to them. Like a husband might want to scatter his ashes in an area where he first dated his wife or vice versa.
Are either of those considered selfish? "
you can do both of those and still donate your organs
I lost my son when he was 20 months old and I allowed the hospital to take anything that was usable to help other children and he was still given a good funeral and we still said our good bye
how does having your organs removed stop you being buried at sea or having your ashes scattered wherever you wish
I have never said I think everyone should'nt opt out what I have said is those who do should not be allowed other peoples organs if needed if they wont donate their own
why should someone who decided not to help other take help off others? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"why would you not want to help someone after your death
your bodies no good to you once your dead so why would you not want someone else to make use of it?
I bet there's not a single person on here who wouldn't take a heart of a kidney for their dying child if they needed it and a match was found so why wouldn't you do that for someone else's loved one?
As I stated earlier. Some religions forbid this as it goes against everything they believe in and yes they would see their own child die than go against their beliefs. So they will be disgusted that they are automatically put into it without being asked. Also people aren't against the idea of donating. Its the fact the government are butting in is where people are getting annoyed as it should be their choice or atleast the families.
that's fair enough, but as I stated on another thread I think anyone who ops out should be refused a life saving op if they ever get ill, ok this wont affect the likes of jehovah's witnesses as they wouldn't want one anyway but for those who just don't like the idea, my answer to those are, if you don't give, you don't get
Maybe if people thought they or their children would be refused such help they may think twice about helping others
May I ask what you think of these things?
1. People who have been buried at sea. People who have served in the forces.
2. Some people like to have their ashes scattered in a place that either meant the most to them and had special meaning to them. Like a husband might want to scatter his ashes in an area where he first dated his wife or vice versa.
Are either of those considered selfish?
you can do both of those and still donate your organs
I lost my son when he was 20 months old and I allowed the hospital to take anything that was usable to help other children and he was still given a good funeral and we still said our good bye
how does having your organs removed stop you being buried at sea or having your ashes scattered wherever you wish
I have never said I think everyone should'nt opt out what I have said is those who do should not be allowed other peoples organs if needed if they wont donate their own
why should someone who decided not to help other take help off others?"
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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This has been resurrected in real life today with the suggestion that donors should get priority to receive organs if needed.
I'd be against that. Organs should be allocated on the basis of need and suitability.
Everyone is skirting around the business of families being allowed to override the donor's wishes re donation.
How about 'if you override the donor's wishes, you can't benefit from anything they leave in their will'. |
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derrrr. What brain?