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over a year ago
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The laws of the UK permit his tribunal hearing which is being held in Manchester (although he is on a video link from Ashworth)to petition on his sanity. It seems he thinks his crimes are recreational and when judged against Tony Blair (invasion of Iraq) his deeds were petty. Given his stance should the whole hearing be brought to an end and his file marked insane and save the cost? Or is he entitled to the rights the law affords him? |
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"The laws of the UK permit his tribunal hearing which is being held in Manchester (although he is on a video link from Ashworth)to petition on his sanity. It seems he thinks his crimes are recreational and when judged against Tony Blair (invasion of Iraq) his deeds were petty. Given his stance should the whole hearing be brought to an end and his file marked insane and save the cost? Or is he entitled to the rights the law affords him?"
after the all the pain hes caused hes entitled to nothing!!let him live!i hope hes in pain every day!hes scum! |
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Unfortunately, we allow these people to be entitled to their rights. Human rights, human rights should be bloody abolished and every case looked at individually. I'd look at his and shove him back in a secure unit never to see the light of day until they bring him out in his coffin |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"everyone is entitled to the rights the law affords them regardless of how heinous the crimes they commit.
not defending what he did but we cant pick and choose what laws to uphold."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"That poor excuse for a so called human being is entitled to nothing as far as we're concerned!!!"
Here here!! Public execution should be brought back for child abusers and murders but flip side let the bastard live and suffer! |
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"That poor excuse for a so called human being is entitled to nothing as far as we're concerned!!!
Here here!! Public execution should be brought back for child abusers and murders but flip side let the bastard live and suffer!"
Public Execution is wrong ....... he should be allowed to live but not segregated, and should have to suffer at the hands of others, but they should be stopped before he dies ............ I know harsh and two rights don't make a wrong but ....................  |
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By * Jay69Man
over a year ago
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"everyone is entitled to the rights the law affords them regardless of how heinous the crimes they commit.
not defending what he did but we cant pick and choose what laws to uphold. "
In theory yes to above.
However, someone who has been found guilty of, and also admits to torturing and killing children for fun should have a very limited set of human rights.
Precious little humanity in Ian Brady. |
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I look at it this way, Ian Brady committed some fuckin awful crimes a long... long... LONG... time ago!
We've had a LOT of politicians that have committed worse over a shorter space of time and not taken responsibility for it all.
The guy at least deserves what he asks for in reason and I believe what he's asking for is well within reason. Let him die within his own legal rights FFS!
He's got more sense to him than most of the fame whores we're subjected to most days anyway. |
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"I look at it this way, Ian Brady committed some fuckin awful crimes a long... long... LONG... time ago!
We've had a LOT of politicians that have committed worse over a shorter space of time and not taken responsibility for it all.
The guy at least deserves what he asks for in reason and I believe what he's asking for is well within reason. Let him die within his own legal rights FFS!
He's got more sense to him than most of the fame whores we're subjected to most days anyway."
worse than torturing and killing children, hiding their bodies and not telling people where they are buried? really? what politicians have done worse than that then?  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"everyone is entitled to the rights the law affords them regardless of how heinous the crimes they commit.
not defending what he did but we cant pick and choose what laws to uphold."
Is this doctrine what separates the sane from the insane which Brady obviously is? |
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"I look at it this way, Ian Brady committed some fuckin awful crimes a long... long... LONG... time ago!
We've had a LOT of politicians that have committed worse over a shorter space of time and not taken responsibility for it all.
The guy at least deserves what he asks for in reason and I believe what he's asking for is well within reason. Let him die within his own legal rights FFS!
He's got more sense to him than most of the fame whores we're subjected to most days anyway.
worse than torturing and killing children, hiding their bodies and not telling people where they are buried? really? what politicians have done worse than that then? "
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"I look at it this way, Ian Brady committed some fuckin awful crimes a long... long... LONG... time ago!
We've had a LOT of politicians that have committed worse over a shorter space of time and not taken responsibility for it all.
The guy at least deserves what he asks for in reason and I believe what he's asking for is well within reason. Let him die within his own legal rights FFS!
He's got more sense to him than most of the fame whores we're subjected to most days anyway."
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"everyone is entitled to the rights the law affords them regardless of how heinous the crimes they commit.
not defending what he did but we cant pick and choose what laws to uphold."
Is this doctrine what separates the sane from the insane which Brady obviously is? |
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"everyone is entitled to the rights the law affords them regardless of how heinous the crimes they commit.
not defending what he did but we cant pick and choose what laws to uphold.Is this doctrine what separates the sane from the insane which Brady obviously is?"
i dont understand the question |
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"I look at it this way, Ian Brady committed some fuckin awful crimes a long... long... LONG... time ago!
We've had a LOT of politicians that have committed worse over a shorter space of time and not taken responsibility for it all.
The guy at least deserves what he asks for in reason and I believe what he's asking for is well within reason. Let him die within his own legal rights FFS!
He's got more sense to him than most of the fame whores we're subjected to most days anyway."
his crimes are on going, until the poor woman died recently he was torturing her every day of her life because hevwouldnt say where he had buried her son |
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"I look at it this way, Ian Brady committed some fuckin awful crimes a long... long... LONG... time ago!
We've had a LOT of politicians that have committed worse over a shorter space of time and not taken responsibility for it all.
The guy at least deserves what he asks for in reason and I believe what he's asking for is well within reason. Let him die within his own legal rights FFS!
He's got more sense to him than most of the fame whores we're subjected to most days anyway."
Try telling the above to Keith Bennetts family! |
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"everyone is entitled to the rights the law affords them regardless of how heinous the crimes they commit.
not defending what he did but we cant pick and choose what laws to uphold.Is this doctrine what separates the sane from the insane which Brady obviously is?
i dont understand the question"
The question is does he deserve a public forum to air his complaints as the law allows? |
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"everyone is entitled to the rights the law affords them regardless of how heinous the crimes they commit.
not defending what he did but we cant pick and choose what laws to uphold.Is this doctrine what separates the sane from the insane which Brady obviously is?
i dont understand the questionThe question is does he deserve a public forum to air his complaints as the law allows?"
its not a public forum though is it, its a court room. a decision has been made about his sanity, keeping him in a high security hospital and he is appealing this because he wants to be in a normal prison. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"everyone is entitled to the rights the law affords them regardless of how heinous the crimes they commit.
not defending what he did but we cant pick and choose what laws to uphold."
I agree with this, the law is the law and should be withheld for everyone, if we have faith in our justice system then they will deal with each case appropriately
I for one do not want to go back to the day of witch hunting, we live in a civilized society and I dont agree with the 'hang the bastard' attitude
let him have his hearing, I for one don't think it will do him any good |
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By (user no longer on site)
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So human rights should be abolished for the mentally ill then?
Not condoning what he did, but let's not forget he is detained under the mental health act in a secure unit and not in a prison. |
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"I look at it this way, Ian Brady committed some fuckin awful crimes a long... long... LONG... time ago!
We've had a LOT of politicians that have committed worse over a shorter space of time and not taken responsibility for it all.
The guy at least deserves what he asks for in reason and I believe what he's asking for is well within reason. Let him die within his own legal rights FFS!
He's got more sense to him than most of the fame whores we're subjected to most days anyway.
worse than torturing and killing children, hiding their bodies and not telling people where they are buried? really? what politicians have done worse than that then? "
Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair, David Cameron for starters. You take a look and see how many deaths they are responsible for alone.
Indirectly doesn't make things better, it just puts the weapon in someone elses hands and makes it legal.
Im not saying he's not a bad man, I'm saying he's got the right to die like a human being that has been incarcerated like one.
You become the subject of human law, you are subject to human rights. You might not like it, but that's the way the law is inclined. |
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sorry but i dont think that there is anything comparable to what he did and i think its poor taste to compare political decisions with the willful abuse, torture and murder of innocent children.
not everything has to be a political arguement. |
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"sorry but i dont think that there is anything comparable to what he did and i think its poor taste to compare political decisions with the willful abuse, torture and murder of innocent children.
not everything has to be a political arguement."
i agree. They simply aren't comparable.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"everyone is entitled to the rights the law affords them regardless of how heinous the crimes they commit.
not defending what he did but we cant pick and choose what laws to uphold.Is this doctrine what separates the sane from the insane which Brady obviously is?
i dont understand the questionThe question is does he deserve a public forum to air his complaints as the law allows?
its not a public forum though is it, its a court room. a decision has been made about his sanity, keeping him in a high security hospital and he is appealing this because he wants to be in a normal prison."
A court room is open to the public. Anyone can attend a hearing of this type. |
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"sorry but i dont think that there is anything comparable to what he did and i think its poor taste to compare political decisions with the willful abuse, torture and murder of innocent children.
not everything has to be a political arguement."
You cant separate politics from street level unless you dont have the heart to admit that you're at the mercy of monsters that consider you a statistic.
If you mourned at Thatcher's funeral, you cant ignore Brady and vice versa.
I'm not sorry if people cant accept that and I'm not open to change at this point. Cameron and IDS led to the deaths of thousands that shouldnt have been kicked off the sick over the last two years, Thatcher who once called Mandela a grubby little terrorist thought and decided worse agaist innocent English, Irish and Argentinian and Tony Blair put us amid an illegal war that has now resulted in the unchallenged drone bombing of children in mud huts in the middle east.
If you can't accept Brady's pleas, and yet accept the actions of politicians as though they're above the rest of us, you're either scared to death of being next or you've drawn a line in the sand and chosen one murderer over another! |
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"everyone is entitled to the rights the law affords them regardless of how heinous the crimes they commit.
not defending what he did but we cant pick and choose what laws to uphold.Is this doctrine what separates the sane from the insane which Brady obviously is?
i dont understand the questionThe question is does he deserve a public forum to air his complaints as the law allows?
its not a public forum though is it, its a court room. a decision has been made about his sanity, keeping him in a high security hospital and he is appealing this because he wants to be in a normal prison. A court room is open to the public. Anyone can attend a hearing of this type."
to me the term public forum means that the public can voice their opinion, not just look. the story i read also said that the images wer bein relayed to press etc so they arent actually in the room....pretty hard to be as its a video link. |
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No point in having law if it's not upheld. I think he'll die in prison anyway and never be released. For once, life might mean life. Although I think the authorities should agree to move him if Keith Bennetts body is found. Then, when it is found, they can say 'you know what, Ian? You ain't going anywhere-how's them apples?' |
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"sorry but i dont think that there is anything comparable to what he did and i think its poor taste to compare political decisions with the willful abuse, torture and murder of innocent children.
not everything has to be a political arguement."
And that, in a nutshell, is why politicians always get away with it, as long as they're on the "winning" side. I also don't consider Brady to be a human being. |
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"sorry but i dont think that there is anything comparable to what he did and i think its poor taste to compare political decisions with the willful abuse, torture and murder of innocent children.
not everything has to be a political arguement.
And that, in a nutshell, is why politicians always get away with it, as long as they're on the "winning" side. I also don't consider Brady to be a human being."
i didnt say they are angels did i? i didnt say they hadnt done anything wrong. i just think that the 2 examples are not comparable. |
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worse than torturing and killing children, hiding their bodies and not telling people where they are buried? really? what politicians have done worse than that then?
Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair, David Cameron for starters. You take a look and see how many deaths they are responsible for alone.
Indirectly doesn't make things better, it just puts the weapon in someone elses hands and makes it legal.
Im not saying he's not a bad man, I'm saying he's got the right to die like a human being that has been incarcerated like one.
You become the subject of human law, you are subject to human rights. You might not like it, but that's the way the law is inclined."
Glad to see the SCUM! and STRING HIM UP brigade are still going strong. So glad you're not judges.
And the above view on politicians is ridiculous. What you're suggesting means that anyone committing state sanctioned acts of war would be up on charges. Divvent be daft. |
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"everyone is entitled to the rights the law affords them regardless of how heinous the crimes they commit.
not defending what he did but we cant pick and choose what laws to uphold.Is this doctrine what separates the sane from the insane which Brady obviously is?
i dont understand the questionThe question is does he deserve a public forum to air his complaints as the law allows?
its not a public forum though is it, its a court room. a decision has been made about his sanity, keeping him in a high security hospital and he is appealing this because he wants to be in a normal prison. A court room is open to the public. Anyone can attend a hearing of this type.
to me the term public forum means that the public can voice their opinion, not just look. the story i read also said that the images wer bein relayed to press etc so they arent actually in the room....pretty hard to be as its a video link."
A court room is a public forum where the public have access to and can see justice in action. There are artist impressions of Brady on the news. Its a public as FAB anyone can take part! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Cameron and IDS led to the deaths of thousands that shouldnt have been kicked off the sick over the last two years, "
As my old nan would say , poppycock.
Surely the deaths of thousands over a two year period would have been reported. I don't remember seeing or reading about any such thing. |
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worse than torturing and killing children, hiding their bodies and not telling people where they are buried? really? what politicians have done worse than that then?
Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair, David Cameron for starters. You take a look and see how many deaths they are responsible for alone.
Indirectly doesn't make things better, it just puts the weapon in someone elses hands and makes it legal.
Im not saying he's not a bad man, I'm saying he's got the right to die like a human being that has been incarcerated like one.
You become the subject of human law, you are subject to human rights. You might not like it, but that's the way the law is inclined.
Glad to see the SCUM! and STRING HIM UP brigade are still going strong. So glad you're not judges.
And the above view on politicians is ridiculous. What you're suggesting means that anyone committing state sanctioned acts of war would be up on charges. Divvent be daft."
They did at Nuremberg? The Nazi were prosecuted and found guilty by the first war crimes tribunal. It happens. |
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No you specifically mentioned Thatcher, Blair and Cameron. Not the Nazis who were there for genocide. Whatever those three above may be guilty of it isn't that.
State sponsored killing during war is morally and legally (for some reason) different from torturing and killing children. And there has to be that distinction or anyone who has ever pulled a trigger in war would be in court. What you seem to want is some sort of utopia where we all love each other. Never gonna happen. |
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"No point in having law if it's not upheld. I think he'll die in prison anyway and never be released. For once, life might mean life. Although I think the authorities should agree to move him if Keith Bennetts body is found. Then, when it is found, they can say 'you know what, Ian? You ain't going anywhere-how's them apples?' "
yes I agree with this Steve. I agree with most of the above in that his crimes absolutely do not compare to political decisions at all. In fact I think that's quite worrying to even think that . As far his future what do the victims family's want? I'd be happy for them to decide. |
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"everyone is entitled to the rights the law affords them regardless of how heinous the crimes they commit.
not defending what he did but we cant pick and choose what laws to uphold.Is this doctrine what separates the sane from the insane which Brady obviously is?
i dont understand the questionThe question is does he deserve a public forum to air his complaints as the law allows?
its not a public forum though is it, its a court room. a decision has been made about his sanity, keeping him in a high security hospital and he is appealing this because he wants to be in a normal prison. A court room is open to the public. Anyone can attend a hearing of this type."
It's not an open court thou, my nephew is on the security that's on the Brady case. They refuse to bring him to court because it will cause mayham in Manchester and the police haven't the resources to cover that kind of security, hence the video link.
I personally don't think he has the right to be moved. He lost his rights the day he murdered and haunted those families for life. Leave him to wallow an rot where he is I say.... he's nothin but scum!!! |
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"everyone is entitled to the rights the law affords them regardless of how heinous the crimes they commit.
not defending what he did but we cant pick and choose what laws to uphold.Is this doctrine what separates the sane from the insane which Brady obviously is?
i dont understand the questionThe question is does he deserve a public forum to air his complaints as the law allows?
its not a public forum though is it, its a court room. a decision has been made about his sanity, keeping him in a high security hospital and he is appealing this because he wants to be in a normal prison. A court room is open to the public. Anyone can attend a hearing of this type.
It's not an open court thou, my nephew is on the security that's on the Brady case. They refuse to bring him to court because it will cause mayham in Manchester and the police haven't the resources to cover that kind of security, hence the video link.
I personally don't think he has the right to be moved. He lost his rights the day he murdered and haunted those families for life. Leave him to wallow an rot where he is I say.... he's nothin but scum!!! "
Just because the petitioner is not in the court room does not make it a closed hearing. This is an open court and anyone can attend. |
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over a year ago
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"I think all this talk about Ian Brady should stop as we should thinking about the poor familiys he has destroyed. Just my opionion. "
Agreed.
Trouble is, hell be back on the front pages again when he snuffs it.
Did anyone else see Maxine Peake's portrayal of Hindley,? I thought she was brilliant.
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"Unfortunately, we allow these people to be entitled to their rights. Human rights, human rights should be bloody abolished and every case looked at individually. I'd look at his and shove him back in a secure unit never to see the light of day until they bring him out in his coffin"
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