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over a year ago
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So...Steve Penk has been criticised for playing Van Helen's "Jump"...moments before a woman leapt from a 30foot bridge on the M60. She suffered minor injuries.
4 lanes of the motorway had been closed for some time. So is it fair to label his behaviour as irresponsible. Surely, if she did hear the song on someone's radio, it would not have been the reason for her jumping??
Or, was his behaviour irresponsible? Do radio DJ's have a responsibility to the public at large in these circumstances, and can he be accused of trivialising the situation?
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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago
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"Anyone daft enough to jump from a motorway bridge on hearing a particular song should be encouraged to do so at any and every opportunity until they succeed in killing themselves."
not particularly a charming comment |
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"Anyone daft enough to jump from a motorway bridge on hearing a particular song should be encouraged to do so at any and every opportunity until they succeed in killing themselves.
not particularly a charming comment"
It wasn't intended to be. |
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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago
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"Anyone daft enough to jump from a motorway bridge on hearing a particular song should be encouraged to do so at any and every opportunity until they succeed in killing themselves.
not particularly a charming comment
It wasn't intended to be."
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By *im53Man
over a year ago
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"Anyone daft enough to jump from a motorway bridge on hearing a particular song should be encouraged to do so at any and every opportunity until they succeed in killing themselves."
it helps improve the gene pool  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Anyone daft enough to jump from a motorway bridge on hearing a particular song should be encouraged to do so at any and every opportunity until they succeed in killing themselves."
If you had compassion Jim you'd raise the bridges to ensure a hole on one for everyone. Your campaign slogan perhaps :P |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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are we back to subliminal messages via songs now??? did he know she was in a potentially dangerous situation??
are we heading for a big whack of compensation??
im listening to alicia keys at the moment falling so if i take a tumble downstairs.............
if he was aware of the situation and did it as a piss take he should be sacked. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"are we back to subliminal messages via songs now??? did he know she was in a potentially dangerous situation??
are we heading for a big whack of compensation??
im listening to alicia keys at the moment falling so if i take a tumble downstairs.............
if he was aware of the situation and did it as a piss take he should be sacked."
Just found this
A Radio DJ has been condemned by mental health charities after he played the song Jump as police were trying to talk down a suicidal woman from a motorway bridge.
Steve Penk received a request from a listener for the hit Van Halen track after four lanes of the M60 were closed while police attempted to deal resolve the situation.
The controversial presenter told listeners on his breakfast show he was playing the song to 'emphathise' with frustrated drivers, but moments later the woman jumped from the 30ft bridge.
What a nasty man to have the mentality to effectively laugh at someone for having a mental illness.  |
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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago
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"should def be sacked if he was aware of what was happening and be made work for a mental health charity for 6 months on a voluntarily basis!! x"
I totally agree
The man that requested the tune was a heartless fool.
Anyone who has suffered with mental illness would not ever wish it on their worst enemy
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"Anyone daft enough to jump from a motorway bridge on hearing a particular song should be encouraged to do so at any and every opportunity until they succeed in killing themselves."
Oh Jim, Jim, Jim, pity you have no idea what psychological turmoil some peeps are experiencing just prior to making that decision  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"are we back to subliminal messages via songs now??? did he know she was in a potentially dangerous situation??
are we heading for a big whack of compensation??
im listening to alicia keys at the moment falling so if i take a tumble downstairs.............
if he was aware of the situation and did it as a piss take he should be sacked.
Just found this
A Radio DJ has been condemned by mental health charities after he played the song Jump as police were trying to talk down a suicidal woman from a motorway bridge.
Steve Penk received a request from a listener for the hit Van Halen track after four lanes of the M60 were closed while police attempted to deal resolve the situation.
The controversial presenter told listeners on his breakfast show he was playing the song to 'emphathise' with frustrated drivers, but moments later the woman jumped from the 30ft bridge.
What a nasty man to have the mentality to effectively laugh at someone for having a mental illness. "
Someone requested the song. It's HIS job to play it. Granted he could have refused but then he would have been making a moral judgement which is not really for him to do. He should have kept quiet and just not played it. As for being responsible for the woman jumping that's rubbish ... I doubt she was tuned in to his programme. If he knew there was definitely a suicide victim on a bridge he should have thought twice but to my mind this is another example of the press needing something to blow out of all proportion and I thought witch hunting and illogical thought died centuries ago. Apparently not. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Anyone daft enough to jump from a motorway bridge on hearing a particular song should be encouraged to do so at any and every opportunity until they succeed in killing themselves.
Oh Jim, Jim, Jim, pity you have no idea what psychological turmoil some peeps are experiencing just prior to making that decision "
How do you know he doesn't ? I do. I have a really good idea. In fact - excellent insights.
A whole different debate could arise out of this. I don't know why some think they have the right to force someone to live when they have made a decision not to be here. |
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it can be viewed like he was doing his job,but as i was part of the group in ireland that only 5 years ago trained the guards how to deal with people in this situation,and also heyr families after it,i can tell you that,if she was gonna jump,then no talking in the world would change her mind,and a song,would not make her more likely to jump,
if he didnt believe the reports or didnt hear them,(unlikely) then fine,but if he did SACK HIM |
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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago
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"Anyone daft enough to jump from a motorway bridge on hearing a particular song should be encouraged to do so at any and every opportunity until they succeed in killing themselves.
Oh Jim, Jim, Jim, pity you have no idea what psychological turmoil some peeps are experiencing just prior to making that decision
How do you know he doesn't ? I do. I have a really good idea. In fact - excellent insights.
A whole different debate could arise out of this. I don't know why some think they have the right to force someone to live when they have made a decision not to be here. "
people who are suicidal REALLY do wish to end it all, contrary to much of the pulics opinion
I know
I spent 7 weeks on a mental health unit last summer and I saw far too many bodies wheeled off the ward to never return |
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depression and suicide were the reason i got into physcology and being a counsellor for a group in ireland called aware,worked for them for 5 years,and iv been called to many a suicide attempt,some that ended good and some that ended bad,and both have a devastating effect on friends and family |
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"I don't know why some think they have the right to force someone to live when they have made a decision not to be here"
Oh I agree, I'm a great believer in euthanasia, BUT, there is a huge difference in planing to end one's life through consultation and guidance with the right experts and with a level head (numerous countries offer euthanasia) compared to someone willing to jump of a bridge / in front of a train, hangs themselves etc., etc. those decisions have a huge knock on effect, and in 99.9% of the time are not made by people with a level head. |
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"depression and suicide were the reason i got into physcology and being a counsellor for a group in ireland called aware,worked for them for 5 years,and iv been called to many a suicide attempt,some that ended good and some that ended bad,and both have a devastating effect on friends and family"
"some that ended good and some that ended bad" is an interesting choice of phrase.
Good or bad for whom? The would-be suicide or the counsellor?
What's a good end and what's a bad end? Is a good end when a person planning suicide is talked out of it or fails to complete the act? Is that neccessarily a good end for that person? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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why the fook would the woman be listening to a radio station when jumping off a bridge. surely she would leave her mp3 player to her loved ones and not take it with her |
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goodend is getting the person the help they need and always getting them the support they need be it 2 weeks 6months a year 5 years even ten years from the first incident and getting the person to open up about why they wanted to do it,
a bad end is not having them options anymore |
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"goodend is getting the person the help they need and always getting them the support they need be it 2 weeks 6months a year 5 years even ten years from the first incident and getting the person to open up about why they wanted to do it,
a bad end is not having them options anymore"
For some at least not having any options left is exactly the end they sought. Who are we to deny them that choice? |
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well jim,good point,but people suffering from depression are not in their right state of mind,at the time,and as a past sufferer i can say it with certainty,also,if a person tries and fails to commit suicide 9/10 times they will make it back to the happier times of theyr lives,
i come from midlands ireland which has the highest suicide rate in young males in ireland,mainly from failing exams or feeling like they have let their families down |
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i come from midlands ireland which has the highest suicide rate in young males in ireland,mainly from failing exams or feeling like they have let their families down"
I found myself in A&E in Glasgow the night of an Old Firm match a couple of years ago. The teenager in the next cubicle was being treated for attempted suicide by paracetamol overdose because his team had been beaten |
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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago
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" ............
i come from midlands ireland which has the highest suicide rate in young males in ireland,mainly from failing exams or feeling like they have let their families down
I found myself in A&E in Glasgow the night of an Old Firm match a couple of years ago. The teenager in the next cubicle was being treated for attempted suicide by paracetamol overdose because his team had been beaten "
and your point is?
His depression issues wont make sense to most people and why should they?
He still needs help and care and support.
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a team gettin beaten may sound trivial its not till you find out what has been goin on previously you may understand!
iv worked in mental health for many years community support and to look at some people you may think they have it all good houses,families ordinary lives etc and no reason to be depressed but depression doesnt care who it hits same as any mental illness . when you have sat for 13 hrs behind a locked door tryin to persuade someone to come out and have a coffee and a chat and that your not going to judge them. or to do a basic task when they are convinced the world is against them because of the most trivial things you realise how tortured they are and hope and pray it never happens to you! the human mind is a very complex thing xx |
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the patron of aware said in his letter to the goverment,looking for funding,aware are a charity that doesnt get gov funding
he said depression is an indisciminating disease,no matter what/who you are you are not safe,
happiest people in world have problems,but most can and will look for help |
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yep,most would be prevented,and families are the last to know what is happening,i was lucky in my depression that a cop that used to train me in gaelic was always ther,whenever i needed to talk,24 hours a day and 365 days a year,
most people dont have that,and are afraid to talk to family,
in ireland we started to go to secondary schools to talk to students about depression and lots of them recognized it in each other, il see if i can find the bookmarks we handed out in my time |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Is everyone that wants to end their life mentally ill?
I don't believe they are
I think that some of the people that have numerous attempts at suicide do need help,but there are some that are of sound mind and judgment that still choose to end their lives and nothing will stop them from doing it
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"the stigma around mental illness is still there"
I doubt the stigma is on the level it once was, we're becoming a more tolerant / acceptable society, however, I do believe the biggest issue facing mental health organisations is differentiating between genuine mental health cases and those who have been labelled as a mental health case because they're felling stressed!!!!!! |
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not nececassrily but in a " normal" world no one would want to end their life so i think its still classed as doctors that someone with suicidal urges is mentally ill if u see what i mean???
there is terminally ill people of total sound mind who want the release of death to escape their illness and people for whom life has no meaning sometimes through bereavement etc and i send a wee prayer out to everyone of them xxx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"the stigma around mental illness is still there
I doubt the stigma is on the level it once was, we're becoming a more tolerant / acceptable society, however, I do believe the biggest issue facing mental health organisations is differentiating between genuine mental health cases and those who have been labelled as a mental health case because they're felling stressed!!!!!! "
some people may be more tolerant others arent! sad fact everyone is not as tolerant or understanding
because untreated stress can lead to other problems it can be classed the same but see to be perfectly honest there are times i dont think the professionals know much either and its a case of theres tablets ta ta!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If someone decides to kill themselves,theres no way of stopping them,you can't be with them 24/7.
Traces uncle did as did my auntie.
Her uncle jumped from the Humber Bridge,my auntie from a window in a quiet street at night.
What pisses us off are those that do it and involve a third or more party,usualy ruining those peoples lives.
A friend of ours killed himself just before Christmas '08,by jumping in front of a lorry.
That driver will probably associate Christmas with that event for evermore.
The same with those who step in front of trains,or jump from Mway bridges in front of oncoming traffic.
Theres usualy no way of stopping someone killing themselves but as well as ruining their families lives why involve complete strangers ruining their lives as well?
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"not nececassrily but in a " normal" world no one would want to end their life so i think its still classed as doctors that someone with suicidal urges is mentally ill if u see what i mean???
there is terminally ill people of total sound mind who want the release of death to escape their illness and people for whom life has no meaning sometimes through bereavement etc and i send a wee prayer out to everyone of them xxx"
Its the "normal" bit that makes me question this,just because its not deemed normal to want to end your life you're classed as having mental health issues? I do understand what you mean but with experience from work I can see both sides
I would consider someone coping with a terminal illness along with the symptoms,pain and knowledge that death has to be prematurely faced more likely to have some mental health issues too but no-one would ever say that,and no amount of counselling will be able change things for them,its something they mainly have to accept with on their own
Oh what a happy subject to be discussing on blue monday xx
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"I would consider someone coping with a terminal illness along with the symptoms,pain and knowledge that death has to be prematurely faced more likely to have some mental health issues too but no-one would ever say that,and no amount of counselling will be able change things for them,its something they mainly have to accept with on their own"
Having discussed it at some length with Kid, I have a condition within my will, that should I be struck with a terminal illness, my decision is to be taken to a country and receive euthanasia, having made that deision, I wouldn't class myself as mentally ill.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"the stigma around mental illness is still there
I doubt the stigma is on the level it once was, we're becoming a more tolerant / acceptable society"
The stigma is still there, and it's not to do with whether society is more tolerant. It's to do with not wanting to admit to oneself that something is wrong and that you need 'help'. |
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i know!!
i think because for the terminally ill the end coming quicker than expected and that it may ease the suffering its seen as more acceptable?? iv never been in the situation so i cant really comment but i know if i was in that position and classed of sound mind i would want to go quickly rather than suffer. mind u knowin my family they would gladly kick the plug or buy pillows!!
i think medically and psychiatrists etc see self harm and a person wanting to end thier life as not a normal behaviour for a person hence why intervention either by medication or hospitalisation plus i think suicide is still classed as illegal? even though if someone is determined for whatever reason no intervention in the world will help x |
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"I would consider someone coping with a terminal illness along with the symptoms,pain and knowledge that death has to be prematurely faced more likely to have some mental health issues too but no-one would ever say that,and no amount of counselling will be able change things for them,its something they mainly have to accept with on their own
Having discussed it at some length with Kid, I have a condition within my will, that should I be struck with a terminal illness, my decision is to be taken to a country and receive euthanasia, having made that deision, I wouldn't class myself as mentally ill.
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I have the same with my husband for certain diseases too and I don't class myself as mentally ill,but at the moment I have no condition,but having to face one and all the issues that surround it will have some impact on my mental health for sure
Im not saying that is the case for everyone but for some people its very very hard to come to terms with |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Having found my mum following suicide and living with it every day since I think he was inappropriate..
but the tabloids making a song and dance would pay a photographer for the best pic of her jumping if they could......
double standards as usual in the press. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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iv got it too if anythin happens and i face sufferin or not havin my full standard of life do not bring me back i dont want to be a burden or have my life quality reduced.i know that currently im of sound mind (apparently)!
my family are aware of it and know my feelings and that if they do, when i get to the other side i will haunt them more than i do just now!!!xx  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Having found my mum following suicide and living with it every day since I think he was inappropriate..
but the tabloids making a song and dance would pay a photographer for the best pic of her jumping if they could......
double standards as usual in the press."
Now thats the truth of the matter,tragedy sells unfortunately
As for your Mum View,well I would'nt be able to find any words to say that will make you feel any better
will a cyber hug do instead? ((((xxxx)))) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Serious Snoggy here anyone who knows me knows I deal with suicide a hell of a lot and the pain and torment the person and their friends and Family go through is not a thing to joke about or to dismiss as some nutter who is holding up the traffic so lets take the piss outta them.If the powers that be in this country put as much effort into mental health as much as they do the banking system there would be less heartache and more lives saved...Sorry but had bad news today and am trying to laugh through it but this topic has come at the wrong time for me..
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i come from midlands ireland which has the highest suicide rate in young males in ireland,mainly from failing exams or feeling like they have let their families down
I found myself in A&E in Glasgow the night of an Old Firm match a couple of years ago. The teenager in the next cubicle was being treated for attempted suicide by paracetamol overdose because his team had been beaten
and your point is?
His depression issues wont make sense to most people and why should they?
He still needs help and care and support.
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He needed a good kick up the arse which is exactly what his mother delivered when she finally trapped. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Having found my mum following suicide and living with it every day since
Your comment didn't go unnoticed View, just that on this occasion we're lost for words "
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By *afthalfMan
over a year ago
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He may well have been out of order for playing the song but, how many of us have passed on the usual sick joke or 2 after an event ?... I'm sure there are quite a few for the earthquake knocking about at the mo.
Gotta be honest and say i do find the whole thing amusing, not her jumping but the timing of the song etc, i know quite a few wont agree but i have found the best way to deal with things is to "make light of the situation", if we didn't then pretty damn sure we would all fold pretty quick.
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By (user no longer on site)
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" ............
i come from midlands ireland which has the highest suicide rate in young males in ireland,mainly from failing exams or feeling like they have let their families down
I found myself in A&E in Glasgow the night of an Old Firm match a couple of years ago. The teenager in the next cubicle was being treated for attempted suicide by paracetamol overdose because his team had been beaten
and your point is?
His depression issues wont make sense to most people and why should they?
He still needs help and care and support.
He needed a good kick up the arse which is exactly what his mother delivered when she finally trapped."
cant wait for the block button to also stop you seeing peoples forum posts!!!
Your comments on this thread have infuriated me!
Iv been touched by suicide and iv seen the devastation it leaves behind, and on the flip side of the coin iv come VERY close to it myself. |
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Have to admit to being the biggest piss taker on here and was once like a lot of people who if untouched by mental illness would have a laugh and a joke about it and think wheres the harm cos I am only making light of it...But sadly now I can not bring myself to do that and that is a personal thing I know and I also understand where the jokers are comming from so just put up with it but I also like to warn them that what goes around comes around so beware at what you laugh at... |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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i come from midlands ireland which has the highest suicide rate in young males in ireland,mainly from failing exams or feeling like they have let their families down
I found myself in A&E in Glasgow the night of an Old Firm match a couple of years ago. The teenager in the next cubicle was being treated for attempted suicide by paracetamol overdose because his team had been beaten
and your point is?
His depression issues wont make sense to most people and why should they?
He still needs help and care and support.
He needed a good kick up the arse which is exactly what his mother delivered when she finally trapped."
ignorance sweetie.........pm me il educate you!!! |
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i come from midlands ireland which has the highest suicide rate in young males in ireland,mainly from failing exams or feeling like they have let their families down
I found myself in A&E in Glasgow the night of an Old Firm match a couple of years ago. The teenager in the next cubicle was being treated for attempted suicide by paracetamol overdose because his team had been beaten
and your point is?
His depression issues wont make sense to most people and why should they?
He still needs help and care and support.
He needed a good kick up the arse which is exactly what his mother delivered when she finally trapped.
cant wait for the block button to also stop you seeing peoples forum posts!!!
Your comments on this thread have infuriated me!
Iv been touched by suicide and iv seen the devastation it leaves behind, and on the flip side of the coin iv come VERY close to it myself. "
Because a football team got beaten? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Because a football team got beaten?"
If you knew anything about depression you would know that something that may seem even more trivial than that to you, could easily tip someone over the edge. |
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i come from midlands ireland which has the highest suicide rate in young males in ireland,mainly from failing exams or feeling like they have let their families down
I found myself in A&E in Glasgow the night of an Old Firm match a couple of years ago. The teenager in the next cubicle was being treated for attempted suicide by paracetamol overdose because his team had been beaten
and your point is?
His depression issues wont make sense to most people and why should they?
He still needs help and care and support.
He needed a good kick up the arse which is exactly what his mother delivered when she finally trapped.
cant wait for the block button to also stop you seeing peoples forum posts!!!
Your comments on this thread have infuriated me!
Iv been touched by suicide and iv seen the devastation it leaves behind, and on the flip side of the coin iv come VERY close to it myself.
Because a football team got beaten?"
Cumulative effect Jim? the final straw? I doubt this was a genuine suicide attempt based solely on a football result however it may have been in a depressed state of mind that something seemingly minor could have been the tipping point.
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i come from midlands ireland which has the highest suicide rate in young males in ireland,mainly from failing exams or feeling like they have let their families down
I found myself in A&E in Glasgow the night of an Old Firm match a couple of years ago. The teenager in the next cubicle was being treated for attempted suicide by paracetamol overdose because his team had been beaten
and your point is?
His depression issues wont make sense to most people and why should they?
He still needs help and care and support.
He needed a good kick up the arse which is exactly what his mother delivered when she finally trapped.
cant wait for the block button to also stop you seeing peoples forum posts!!!
Your comments on this thread have infuriated me!
Iv been touched by suicide and iv seen the devastation it leaves behind, and on the flip side of the coin iv come VERY close to it myself.
Because a football team got beaten?
Cumulative effect Jim? the final straw? I doubt this was a genuine suicide attempt based solely on a football result however it may have been in a depressed state of mind that something seemingly minor could have been the tipping point.
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You may well be correct. His team had been having a particularly bad run of results so it may have been the cumulative effect. |
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