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Do you believe in the afterlife

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I do ,always have had.

Just gone into the attic to get more holiday stuff out and a box that had my late bf belongings in fell open and in there was a white feather. I did go cold for a moment then smiled to myself as a white feather means there spirit is there....I know not everyone believes each to their own but big believer here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yep, two believers here. Andy never used to be, but a few years ago he had to change his mind after a very weird experience.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I believe I have guardian angels and I do believe its those that have helped me get through the darkest moments in my life....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ive sometimes throught somethings happened to me like stuff moving that's been there weeks and months strange smells like purfume and tobacco also the other day I bent down to pick something up and could of swore some one walked past me but I just say my minds playing tricks on me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

yes deffo grt believer in afterlife ,,have had quite a few experiances with spirits ,[not the bottle type lol]did u thankthe spirit that sent the white feather ,,,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes definately had a lot of experiences

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes and no

Yes in someways but I've never seen proof with my own eyes

I dream about my mom and my husband and it seems so real, a medium did say they come to you in your dreams

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yep believe in the afterlife

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"yes deffo grt believer in afterlife ,,have had quite a few experiances with spirits ,[not the bottle type lol]did u thankthe spirit that sent the white feather ,,,

What does it mean as I found lots after mom died

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

Nope.

Nothing against people who do but it seems like wishful thinking to me...

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Nope... and can't really understand logically how anyone could.

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By *issmekate xxxWoman over a year ago

Non Vanilla Land

Yep ... am a definite believer ... have visited mediums regularly over the last couple of years ... lost my little boy 10 years ago and is a great comfort to know that he is 'here' and 'there' and all is ok xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"yes deffo grt believer in afterlife ,,have had quite a few experiances with spirits ,[not the bottle type lol]did u thankthe spirit that sent the white feather ,,,

What does it mean as I found lots after mom died "

My friend who is very spiritual says that white feathers are sent from the spirits of loved ones to let you know they're still around you.

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By *livia_KWoman over a year ago

South London

I definitely don't believe in it. I believe that once you're dead you're worm food and that's that.

I do understand why people do though, I think a lot of people find it comforting or something and I get that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"yes deffo grt believer in afterlife ,,have had quite a few experiances with spirits ,[not the bottle type lol]did u thankthe spirit that sent the white feather ,,,

What does it mean as I found lots after mom died

My friend who is very spiritual says that white feathers are sent from the spirits of loved ones to let you know they're still around you.

Wow thank you that's cheered me up

Found loads and loads when she died nice to know she was thinking of me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know the afterlife exists and the spirit survives but beware bogus mediums there are plenty believe me

you or I could do a course at in Essex and after 4 days have a certificate and be able to set up as a medium

so yes I know theres a afterlife I have had definitive proof but please remain cynical about grandiose claims from people who think most haunted is real lol good luck in finding the truth x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I definitely don't believe in it. I believe that once you're dead you're worm food and that's that.

I do understand why people do though, I think a lot of people find it comforting or something and I get that.

What upsets me is fraudsters who prey on the bereaved I had it when mom died and got told lots of bull which put me off until I went to a spiritualist church

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Have you seen that medium Colin whathisname on tele. How does he do it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" I know the afterlife exists and the spirit survives but beware bogus mediums there are plenty believe me

you or I could do a course at in Essex and after 4 days have a certificate and be able to set up as a medium

so yes I know theres a afterlife I have had definitive proof but please remain cynical about grandiose claims from people who think most haunted is real lol good luck in finding the truth x"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have you seen that medium Colin whathisname on tele. How does he do it

Heard hes a fraudster

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm a believer most definitely, had far too many contacts with the departed not too believe. That will probably get me labelled as cranky

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think if people could talk to the dead then we would not need the police to solve murders . Just ask them who did it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I want to believe something lovely happened to my mum when she passed away

Logically - maybe nothing happened but no one really knows do they and it hurts no one to believe

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"yes deffo grt believer in afterlife ,,have had quite a few experiances with spirits ,[not the bottle type lol]did u thankthe spirit that sent the white feather ,,,

What does it mean as I found lots after mom died "

It means they are there with you

hugs xx

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I believe in an afterlife. The physical body becomes worm food (if I get buried) but the spiritual 'me' will continue. Weird things have happens to me too.

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By *rKDMan over a year ago

London

Yes of course!

We are spiritual beings having a physical experience before returning once again to the spiritual from which we came.

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By *etillanteWoman over a year ago

2 things that stop me believing,

1. as has already been said, why don't people come back to say who murdered them when they can obviously see family members in pain

2. I cannot believe my lovely Mum would not have come back to me

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Without even going into the science bit...... if our 'spirits' can communicate with other people (albeit a select 'special' few), move objects, drop feathers about the place.... how come we can only use our 'spirit' to do these things once we are dead?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"2 things that stop me believing,

1. as has already been said, why don't people come back to say who murdered them when they can obviously see family members in pain

2. I cannot believe my lovely Mum would not have come back to me"

I thought that too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whilst I would never 'dis' someone else's view on a subject like this, personally I'm HOPING this is it n it ends here!!!

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"Whilst I would never 'dis' someone else's view on a subject like this, personally I'm HOPING this is it n it ends here!!!

I agree...what would an after life be like? Millions and billions of years, existing for ever? You'd get pretty bored (well, you'd go insane), or else you'd have to have your mind altered to cope with it so much that you wouldn't even be you anymore...creepy either way.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

nope, no afterlife, no god, no heaven, no hell, just us, a bunch of smart apes on a massive rock hurtling through space for a fraction of time and try to make the most of it and try not to be a twat as life is precious and short, we can never be sure that there is an afterlife or not but what we can be sure of is our time on earth is short

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Well all I know is there are only 2 people who know how my late bf died my daughter and I and I went to see a medium and she told me every detail...I often smell his aftershave, feel someone pass me ,he died in my home and the room he died in often as a white feather there and I feel him, to me its a great comfort ,like I say we all believe differently .I for one believe and always will.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Well all I know is there are only 2 people who know how my late bf died my daughter and I and I went to see a medium and she told me every detail...I often smell his aftershave, feel someone pass me ,he died in my home and the room he died in often as a white feather there and I feel him, to me its a great comfort ,like I say we all believe differently .I for one believe and always will."

If you believe then that is all that matters...

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By *rKDMan over a year ago

London

Bless! other dimensions realities wormholes and so on are extremely complex things most folks find 'beyond' their level of understanding!

But they know WIFI works yet they cant see that either until they turn on the Laptop.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

no i dont believe in anything like that, though i wish i did because i would like to see my little dogs again more than anything else.

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By *allDarkFoxForYouMan over a year ago

Winchester/London

Mediums use "cold reading" which is a process whereby human interaction via mathematical odds brings results.

James Randi a ex magician who can show you these techniques has a foundation that has offered for many years a million dollars to anyone who can prove any claimed psychic power in an agreed laboratory condition.

Many many people have tried and failed and the big league charlatans don't even try as it will clearly tarnish their tv image.

The money is waiting if you know a psychic ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you believe then that is all that matters..."

very true. And for all we know maybe there is an 'option' to return in some kind of spirit form. If there is an option,however, I shall be declining! I've caused enough problems here first time round LOL

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By *uke olovingmanMan over a year ago

Gravesend

i just think there is part of me and my ancestors in my children

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By *uke olovingmanMan over a year ago

Gravesend

i just think there is part of me and my ancestors in my children

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By *oasterCockbumMan over a year ago

Highway 61

Nope ..... science and logic above hearsay I reckon ..... i'll believe differently if I see it .... hopefully not anytime soon .....

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By *allDarkFoxForYouMan over a year ago

Winchester/London

"Nope ..... science and logic above hearsay I reckon ..... i'll believe differently if I see it .... hopefully not anytime soon ....."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"no i dont believe in anything like that, though i wish i did because i would like to see my little dogs again more than anything else."

They go to rainbow bridge xxxxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lifelong Spiritualist here - had too much proof given to me.

Colin Edwards is a natural medium - he's no charlatan.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mediums use "cold reading" which is a process whereby human interaction via mathematical odds brings results.

Many many people have tried and failed and the big league charlatans don't even try as it will clearly tarnish their tv image.

The money is waiting if you know a psychic ?"

Isn't it funny how it goes quiet when you mention Randi?

Remember the poster in Mulder's office?

"I want to believe". If you have that, then a mediums job is three quarters done. I have heard tales of mediums doing shows in large auditoriums where their cold reading has been proven by the audience who were basically taking the piss.

It's simple to do, answer a few of there questions to lead THEM down a blind alley, then when they tell tou that Uncle Fred is looking down at you from above, you can happily tell them that they are in fact sat in the pub down the road. They are ALL charlatans and conmen. Do any of them do it for free or not for some sort of kudos?

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By *allDarkFoxForYouMan over a year ago

Winchester/London

Yes mate I agree.

I urge people to view "James Randi fiery takedown of psychic fraud".

He makes a compelling case that these charlatans are dangerous and often rip people off when they are at a low point in their life and are desperate to believe.

It is not harmless.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes I do. 100% !!

I am also a big believer in Angels.

Life and experiences have brought me to the beliefs that I have..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not a chance.I don't remember before I was born,so not going to kno about after I've died.

There would be billions o dead people and trillions of animals around who had dies if it was true.

Just people who can't let go

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not a chance.I don't remember before I was born,so not going to kno about after I've died.

There would be billions o dead people and trillions of animals around who had dies if it was true.

Just people who can't let go "

True. People need to live for NOW. It's no use hoping to communicate your true feelings/intentions to someone when you/they have died. It isn't going to happen. Let them know NOW. Everyone will be happier.

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By *allDarkFoxForYouMan over a year ago

Winchester/London

"Not a chance.I don't remember before I was born,so not going to kno about after I've died.

There would be billions o dead people and trillions of animals around who had dies if it was true.

Just people who can't let go "

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Not in an 'afterlife'..

not at all..

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By *emmefataleWoman over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

No.

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By *lentyoffun40Couple over a year ago

Lancashire

Never believed

My mum and sister went to mediums for years

After my dad died I said I would never go

Unbeknown to me my ex booked me a sitting for my birthday

The only day that was free that month was the anniversary of my dads death

So I went . Totally hard line thinking what a crock of shit

Never gave her any hints or answers

The woman blew my mind and brought me to years

A 35 year old man sobbing in front of a stranger

She knew things about me and my dad that were impossible to know

I had his wedding ring in my pocket that I always were

She told me I had it in my inside pocket and asked why I had took it off ???

After that .. How could I not believe ??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thats a classic "warm" reading. He got the initial info from your ex who set it up. He probably didn't know he was passing him info. Then you tell him things without even realising. If you go again, secretly tape the conversation. Then play it back. The methods will become apparent.

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By *allDarkFoxForYouMan over a year ago

Winchester/London

"Thats a classic "warm" reading. He got the initial info from your ex who set it up. He probably didn't know he was passing him info. Then you tell him things without even realising. If you go again, secretly tape the conversation. Then play it back. The methods will become apparent."

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By *lentyoffun40Couple over a year ago

Lancashire

My ex was a girl

She telephoned and gave my first name no surname, no address nothing

I was a sceptical as you are . Even more ! To the point of laughing at my mum and sister

And I did tape it on my mobile phone !

Not once did she ask me a question she told me !

I walked in and she said " you come to hear from your dad "

Now ok that's a possibility as a guess

But what if I'd just lost a baby , or my mum or grandma

It's a pretty bold opening line !

But it was more than that she told me things it was impossible for anyone to know !!!

Believe what you will I know what she said to me and there's no other possible way she could have known

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My ex was a girl

She telephoned and gave my first name no surname, no address nothing

I was a sceptical as you are . Even more ! To the point of laughing at my mum and sister

And I did tape it on my mobile phone !

Not once did she ask me a question she told me !

I walked in and she said " you come to hear from your dad "

Now ok that's a possibility as a guess

But what if I'd just lost a baby , or my mum or grandma

It's a pretty bold opening line !

But it was more than that she told me things it was impossible for anyone to know !!!

Believe what you will I know what she said to me and there's no other possible way she could have known"

Dead father is a pretty basic opening gambit. The rest is like playing a fish. Try little bits of "info" out and see how you respond (they are watching for subconscious responces?. I urge you to watch Randi or even Derren Brown. They WILL prove it's a con.

Just being nosey, how much did she charge?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No I don't believe. In fact the thought of my most private moments being invaded in 'secret' by spirits is horrible!

Love the people who matter to you here and now, live your life to the full.

The truth is that you'll die and be eventually forgotten, how many of you know the first name of each of your great grandparents? Your only here because of them and most of you won't have a clue who they were.

Now imagine them sitting around watching you have a bath.....or having sex. Changes the whole 'watching over you' idea doesn't it.

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By *lentyoffun40Couple over a year ago

Lancashire

"My ex was a girl

She telephoned and gave my first name no surname, no address nothing

I was a sceptical as you are . Even more ! To the point of laughing at my mum and sister

And I did tape it on my mobile phone !

Not once did she ask me a question she told me !

I walked in and she said " you come to hear from your dad "

Now ok that's a possibility as a guess

But what if I'd just lost a baby , or my mum or grandma

It's a pretty bold opening line !

But it was more than that she told me things it was impossible for anyone to know !!!

Believe what you will I know what she said to me and there's no other possible way she could have known

Just being nosey, how much did she charge? "

I was a birthday gift but I think somewhere along the lines of 40 quid

And believe me I was the most sceptical person in the world

She knew things that were impossible to know

I sat there arms folded and at one point I felt as though I was being ignorant cos I just sat there and listened

Never once did I give her a snippet of information that she could have built on

It came from her !!

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By *allDarkFoxForYouMan over a year ago

Winchester/London

Puzzles me why all these so called psychics prefer to put in the hours travelling around receiving a few hundred quid per time when James Randi has a million dollars waiting for them which can be obtained within the hour.

If I was psychic I'd take the million dollar route .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And what was your face and breathing telling her? They don't contact the dead. They read YOU!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Puzzles me why all these so called psychics prefer to put in the hours travelling around receiving a few hundred quid per time when James Randi has a million dollars waiting for them which can be obtained within the hour.

If I was psychic I'd take the million dollar route ."

Oh apparently it's because it's a gift that they wish to share with those who have lost a loved one. For a price, obviously.

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By *livia_KWoman over a year ago

South London

"No I don't believe. In fact the thought of my most private moments being invaded in 'secret' by spirits is horrible!

Love the people who matter to you here and now, live your life to the full.

Now imagine them sitting around watching you have a bath.....or having sex. Changes the whole 'watching over you' idea doesn't it. "

I'm with you on this. I actually find the thought of my dead mum 'watching over me' creepy. I don't want her watching over me when I do the things I do! I love the mories of her and that's enough for me.

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By *livia_KWoman over a year ago

South London

"And what was your face and breathing telling her? They don't contact the dead. They read YOU!"

Exactly. These people are experts at reading people - body language, facial expressions, breathing, eye movements. We ALL give something away even when we try our hardest not to. And in fact, it's when we TRY to give nothing away that we give away the most. The tiniest little movement of a facial muscle can tell them if it's a positive or negative reaction t something tey said and they just keep going from there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No I don't believe. In fact the thought of my most private moments being invaded in 'secret' by spirits is horrible!

Love the people who matter to you here and now, live your life to the full.

Now imagine them sitting around watching you have a bath.....or having sex. Changes the whole 'watching over you' idea doesn't it.

Apparently, they only watch over you when you want them to, or when your sad, or in danger. It's amazing isn't it? Anyone would think it was all made up.

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By *allDarkFoxForYouMan over a year ago

Winchester/London

Because it makes good box office as a concept tv shows will have these charlatans on with their supposed skills which gives a phoney creedence to it being real as a skill/gift.

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By *livia_KWoman over a year ago

South London

"No I don't believe. In fact the thought of my most private moments being invaded in 'secret' by spirits is horrible!

Love the people who matter to you here and now, live your life to the full.

Now imagine them sitting around watching you have a bath.....or having sex. Changes the whole 'watching over you' idea doesn't it.

Apparently, they only watch over you when you want them to, or when your sad, or in danger. It's amazing isn't it? Anyone would think it was all made up."

So can I turn my mum on and off with the remote?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well now your just being silly. If your not going to take this seriously, I will take my powers elsewhere!

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By *allDarkFoxForYouMan over a year ago

Winchester/London

And when they contact someone from the past via a spirit guide it's funny that it's never a Joe soap who lived a bland undistinguished past.

Always an exciting figure from history.

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By *nsert user name hereMan over a year ago

Manchester

tbh I don't believe in it. It's an idea that helps with bereavement or those that are near the end. Im happy with that and gives me reason to live life to its fullest

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By *livia_KWoman over a year ago

South London

"Well now your just being silly. If your not going to take this seriously, I will take my powers elsewhere!"

I'm sorry. I promise to behave

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's because there are only so many souls to go around. The Karma roundabout would be choca if everyone got a new soul when they were born!

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By *nsert user name hereMan over a year ago

Manchester

and the physics (spelling?) should all be banned because if they had proof we would know the answer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"tbh I don't believe in it. It's an idea that helps with bereavement or those that are near the end. Im happy with that and gives me reason to live life to its fullest"

See that's one thing I've never got. How does that help with bereavement? thinking that your loved one is destined to an eternity of ....of what exactly? I personally don't fancy floating about looking over people. I do enough of that in life, I certainly don't want to be doing it when I'm dead. I'd rather like to think that I go to sleep as I don't get enough of that now!

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By *livia_KWoman over a year ago

South London

"tbh I don't believe in it. It's an idea that helps with bereavement or those that are near the end. Im happy with that and gives me reason to live life to its fullest

I think it's the comfort factor that helps people with bereavement. You know the whole 'they're in a better place and they're ok' thing. Well yeah, they's perfectly fine love, they're just dead.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Think about Christmas when all the family gets together, and it's late evening, the arguments start and your quietly looking forward to going home.

Then think about being dead and reunited with all your family back to the year dot, and being with them for all eternity.

Is an afterlife really that appealing?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do we have to wear paper hats?

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By *nsert user name hereMan over a year ago

Manchester

"tbh I don't believe in it. It's an idea that helps with bereavement or those that are near the end. Im happy with that and gives me reason to live life to its fullest

it's more comforting than saying there in the cold damp earth decomposing with maggots etc munching away

I prefer to think of the lion kings circle of life idea

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By *allDarkFoxForYouMan over a year ago

Winchester/London

Always amuses me when these charlatans have a scenario a la " I've got a man coming through to me and he's clutching at his heart indicating he had a heart problem " Well if he's brown bread highly likely his health wasn't tip top one concludes.

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By *livia_KWoman over a year ago

South London

"tbh I don't believe in it. It's an idea that helps with bereavement or those that are near the end. Im happy with that and gives me reason to live life to its fullest

it's more comforting than saying there in the cold damp earth decomposing with maggots etc munching away

I prefer to think of the lion kings circle of life idea

Well I see the circle of life as being in the ground decomposing while being munched on by maggots....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Think about Christmas when all the family gets together, and it's late evening, the arguments start and your quietly looking forward to going home.

Then think about being dead and reunited with all your family back to the year dot, and being with them for all eternity.

Is an afterlife really that appealing?

Good lawd, no!!!!!

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"And what was your face and breathing telling her? They don't contact the dead. They read YOU!"

Oh but you are forgetting way before that bit, when you book an appointment....... a quick search of public records, obituaries in newspapers and not forgetting good old facebook.

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By *nsert user name hereMan over a year ago

Manchester

"tbh I don't believe in it. It's an idea that helps with bereavement or those that are near the end. Im happy with that and gives me reason to live life to its fullest

it's more comforting than saying there in the cold damp earth decomposing with maggots etc munching away

I prefer to think of the lion kings circle of life idea

Well I see the circle of life as being in the ground decomposing while being munched on by maggots...."

yea but Mustafa explains it better to simba than the way we see it lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" I know the afterlife exists and the spirit survives but beware bogus mediums there are plenty believe me

you or I could do a course at in Essex and after 4 days have a certificate and be able to set up as a medium

so yes I know theres a afterlife I have had definitive proof but please remain cynical about grandiose claims from people who think most haunted is real lol good luck in finding the truth x"
definitive proof? Your unique then

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By *nsert user name hereMan over a year ago

Manchester

you don't need to do any course to be a medium. Derren Brown has shown how it can be done in a very convincing way

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

there is more to life than matter, and thats coming from someone who likes science.

Going with some of the current theories, I can only deduce an afterlife exists, I however doubt it has any significant bearing leaning into religious ideals.

In fact, we may never die, and I wouldnt say we are locked into a cycle..more like an infinite cycle of possibilities

and perhaps there are some people more susceptible to 'paranormal' events than others..just as there are plenty of people susceptible to bullshit

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By *riskynriskyCouple over a year ago

Essex.

If I come back, I'm going to visit the bedrooms of attractive women aged 18 to 25... Casper the pervy ghost...

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By *riskynriskyCouple over a year ago

Essex.

I can feel someone in the room who has lost a friend or relative. They are male or female. . They are young but may be old... Their name starts with a B or P or T... It's coming to me it's Norman... They died recently within the last 75 years. It was either a car crash, beheading, electrocution or choked on a scampi fry maybe all at the same time... I know that there are things that most people can't explain, however it doesn't mean they are not explainable. I do think that there is things that we can't explain yet. Whether it's an atmospheric recording, a time slip, who knows. But I do not trust mediums... Some may be well intended but most are fraudsters.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"there is more to life than matter, and thats coming from someone who likes science.

Going with some of the current theories, I can only deduce an afterlife exists, I however doubt it has any significant bearing leaning into religious ideals.

In fact, we may never die, and I wouldnt say we are locked into a cycle..more like an infinite cycle of possibilities

and perhaps there are some people more susceptible to 'paranormal' events than others..just as there are plenty of people susceptible to bullshit"

Why can you "only deduce that there has to be an afterlife"? There is not one single shred of SCIENTIFIC, physical or logical evidence for it.

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By *lentyoffun40Couple over a year ago

Lancashire

"there is more to life than matter, and thats coming from someone who likes science.

Going with some of the current theories, I can only deduce an afterlife exists, I however doubt it has any significant bearing leaning into religious ideals.

In fact, we may never die, and I wouldnt say we are locked into a cycle..more like an infinite cycle of possibilities

and perhaps there are some people more susceptible to 'paranormal' events than others..just as there are plenty of people susceptible to bullshit

Why can you "only deduce that there has to be an afterlife"? There is not one single shred of SCIENTIFIC, physical or logical evidence for it."

Same goes for life on other planets and god / Jesus .. Add as appropriate

But there are billions of people who believe and billins more spent on them both ???

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By *obnessMan over a year ago

york

Having lost my grandson and wife in the space of 6 months i would like to believe in an afterlife. But i dont

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"there is more to life than matter, and thats coming from someone who likes science.

Going with some of the current theories, I can only deduce an afterlife exists, I however doubt it has any significant bearing leaning into religious ideals.

In fact, we may never die, and I wouldnt say we are locked into a cycle..more like an infinite cycle of possibilities

and perhaps there are some people more susceptible to 'paranormal' events than others..just as there are plenty of people susceptible to bullshit

Why can you "only deduce that there has to be an afterlife"? There is not one single shred of SCIENTIFIC, physical or logical evidence for it."

did u lose the bit when I talked about current theories? well read sir lol...

if I believe the science, of a multifaceteduniverseexistancecyclationalentity

there must be room for an afterlife

that IS the problem with either science or religion claiming one is superior to the other...they each end up having the same outcome of their argument..and I mean that when we arent faced by the fanatical of either sides.

the anthropic principle basically says we create our own universe, yet we all know, from current dating methods our stars are around 14billion years old...so there must be other sentient life somewhere...long before man..I have no proof..however..I can deduce from scientific discussions, if a theory gives rise to something that makes sense to something else, then we have some sort of tie in,

henceforth..its likely given the time,the amount of galaxies and the mentioned principles above..its likely that alien life exists

consciousness is also an energy..who knows...perhaps our brain is just a universe itself, neurons firing away like stars, some violently exploding,some falling into their own gravity..a sort of microgravitydementia

I'm not saying the quantum research over the last century or so is absolute..but it can explain some things, from philosophy,psychology to astrophysics and more.

In twenty years time or so...I think I'll see a next big jump in technology(hopefully for the benefit of the earth and its inhabitants), and its quite likely its coming from the above theory.

teleporting a photon?..whats next?

*I dont really go for mediums,pearly gates,abductionists etc

...unless they have rayguns and bugeyedalienhottiewomenthingswithbigtitsandsupertastyfannies

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I like mediums.......... But these days I have to buy large!

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

No I don't, but I understand the thinking behind it for some, just like religion: it's a comfort for some.

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By *allDarkFoxForYouMan over a year ago

Winchester/London

"No I don't, but I understand the thinking behind it for some, just like religion: it's a comfort for some. "

But if you extend that principle wouldn't that be like me as a doctor having a patient visit for test results and I tell them they are all clear although the results show a terminal illness ?

Surely the hard facts of the matter are what's important not a false comfort ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not a chance.I don't remember before I was born,so not going to kno about after I've died.

You can't remember being born or being a baby either. Does that mean that didn't happen?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No I don't, but I understand the thinking behind it for some, just like religion: it's a comfort for some.

But if you extend that principle wouldn't that be like me as a doctor having a patient visit for test results and I tell them they are all clear although the results show a terminal illness ?

Surely the hard facts of the matter are what's important not a false comfort ?"

Your evidence that it is 'false' being?

On another note, were it possible (and surely, given the advances science is making on a daily basis it will be provable in the not-too distant future), to prove that there is an afterlife, would you accept that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Without even going into the science bit...... if our 'spirits' can communicate with other people (albeit a select 'special' few), move objects, drop feathers about the place.... how come we can only use our 'spirit' to do these things once we are dead?

Maybe because in life they did not believe!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Better to focus on enjoying the current one.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

does anyone do a job for free, everyone has to eat, and have shelter.

if something is free, do we appreciate it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"there is more to life than matter, and thats coming from someone who likes science.

Going with some of the current theories, I can only deduce an afterlife exists, I however doubt it has any significant bearing leaning into religious ideals.

In fact, we may never die, and I wouldnt say we are locked into a cycle..more like an infinite cycle of possibilities

and perhaps there are some people more susceptible to 'paranormal' events than others..just as there are plenty of people susceptible to bullshit"

This is my belief at the moment, but I don't see it as an "afterlife", more like an "everlife".

I also believe the lack of memories of past lifes may be due to a disconection from the self...if you can reconnect, then understanding follows!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It was thought the world was flat,

man couldn't fly.

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By *Ryan-Man over a year ago

In Your Bush

Maybe because in life they did not believe!

Nah they used their hands before

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I live in hope of an after-life.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

After all I've studied and theorised in life, I guess I'm at that age where I at least believe in recycling.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm a great believer in science, am massively passionate about physics in particular (I took a masters in Physics at Uni), and I was raised mainly by my father, who I have always been very close to and who was a very vocal atheist and did not believe in either a god nor an afterlife.(though of course one can believe in one and not the other.) I do not believe in either mediums or ghosts; and have a generally skeptical outlook on things.

Do I believe in an afterlife? Absolutely. And why? Current research into near death experiences would suggest so- recent research on heart attack patients who have suffered near death experiences has shown that the standard explanation-that it is the brain being starved of oxygen-is nonsense, as in most of the case studies; the patient was not being deprived of oxygen-and at any rate I see no logical reason to believe that there isn't one. It's interesting that those who castigate those who accept the premise of an afterlife as 'having absolutely no evidence for their assertion' likewise have absolutely no evidence, having not been dead.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's physics?!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It was thought the world was flat,

man couldn't fly.

No, both the ancient greeks and the Romans, as well as educated people during the dark and middle ages, were fully aware the Earth was spherical. It is a total misconception that people thought the Earth was flat prior to the renaissance, and in fact the only people who would have thought so would have been the uneducated peasantry.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's physics?!"

Did I say my opinions as regards an afterlife had anything to do with physics? (although of course everything ultimately does) I just said I studied the subject at university.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I do not believe in; an afterlife, ghosts, spirits, guardian angels, god (or any deity), or anything supernatural, preternatural or whatever.

There is a logical, rational explanation for everything. Even if that is yet to be discovered.

That is my total belief.

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By *--Cinders---Couple over a year ago

a place near Blackpool

yes..there is def an afterlife, always been a believer and had quite a lot of things happen which made me a believer..then in 2007 when I lost my son, I got comfort in my believes and know in spirit world he is always with me, that is no substitute I know but its all I have and the amount of white feathers I find so I know he is close to me and the amount of times I cant find something and I just ask my lad to help me and am instantly drawn to the place it is, sometimes I think he had hidden things just to be mischievous lol, its the sort of thing he wud of done....so yes am a big believer in the after life..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So just qualifying how clever you are.

I'm quite open to there being many things that mankind will never understand - including that physics doesn't and never will have all the answers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is a logical, rational explanation for everything. Even if that is yet to be discovered. "

But they never are discovered - they're just explained and accepted.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"there is more to life than matter, and thats coming from someone who likes science.

We already know there is 'more than matter'-recent discoveries in Quantum physics have shown that the materialist conception of the Universe- that the physical world; the atomic- is all that exists-is simply not true.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So just qualifying how clever you are.

I'm quite open to there being many things that mankind will never understand - including that physics doesn't and never will have all the answers."

Of course physics doesn't have all the answers-it merely describes and explains the physical world, which Quantum theory has already shown is not all there is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Of course physics doesn't have all the answers-it merely describes and explains the physical world, which Quantum theory has already shown is not all there is."

And this is the bit I think is most exciting

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do not believe in; an afterlife, ghosts, spirits, guardian angels, god (or any deity), or anything supernatural, preternatural or whatever.

There is a logical, rational explanation for everything. Even if that is yet to be discovered.

That is my total belief. "

If you could 'rationally', 'logically' prove the existence of an afterlife, would you believe in it? I fail to see how positive disbelief in an afterlife is based on evidence, though of course I respect anyone's right to believe in whatever they want. Have you ever been dead?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't believe there is anything apart from nothingness, which is sometimes hard to comprehend but that's how I think it'll be.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do not believe in...ghosts, spirits, ... or anything supernatural, preternatural or whatever.

I likewise do not believe in any of those things. But an 'afterlife' does not have to have anything to do with the supernatural, or be necessarily connected with the existence of a God or Gods.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't believe there is anything apart from nothingness, which is sometimes hard to comprehend but that's how I think it'll be.

Whilst I totally respect your belief; on what basis and what empirical evidence?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Of course physics doesn't have all the answers-it merely describes and explains the physical world, which Quantum theory has already shown is not all there is.

And this is the bit I think is most exciting

and that is the beauty of science.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do not believe in...ghosts, spirits, ... or anything supernatural, preternatural or whatever.

I likewise do not believe in any of those things. But an 'afterlife' does not have to have anything to do with the supernatural, or be necessarily connected with the existence of a God or Gods."

May I ask for your views on the "god" thing?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What a load of crap!

The only way you'll live once you're dead is by passing on your genes to your offspring.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do not believe in...ghosts, spirits, ... or anything supernatural, preternatural or whatever.

I likewise do not believe in any of those things. But an 'afterlife' does not have to have anything to do with the supernatural, or be necessarily connected with the existence of a God or Gods.

May I ask for your views on the "god" thing?

I have no idea.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I believe I have guardian angels and I do believe its those that have helped me get through the darkest moments in my life...."

Me too and I have had some dark moments in my life xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am very sorry , but there is no afterlife !! The human by its very nature has to believe there is something else and after the departure of a loved one it is really yearned for. Ask yourself this .. when the so called medium says that mum says she is very happy and not to worry etc etc , why doesnt she explain the answers to the ultimate question as to where she is, and what happens etc etc ???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of crap!

The only way you'll live once you're dead is by passing on your genes to your offspring. "

Coincidentally, that is exactly what my dad believes.

I have to say that, if anything, I think that disbelief in an afterlife-in the face of or in ignorance of-evidence to the contrary-is in itself wishful thinking.

It's quite like-but not as definitely provable-people who disbelieve in fate. We already know, because of determinism, that what happens is pre-determined and that time is not something that is linear-there really is no such thing as either past nor future, just a series of successive presents. So that also means that free will is also an illusion. But time and time again I hear people saying ,'I don't believe in fate or destiny' reason? "I don't like the idea that everything is planned out for me." But liking or not liking a theory is not adequate reason for believing in it-I mean it's fine-you can believe in whatever you want to believe-but that doesn't make it true-I can say I don't believe in gravity because I don't like the idea-but that doesn't mean I can fly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am very sorry , but there is no afterlife !! The human by its very nature has to believe there is something else and after the departure of a loved one it is really yearned for. Ask yourself this .. when the so called medium says that mum says she is very happy and not to worry etc etc , why doesnt she explain the answers to the ultimate question as to where she is, and what happens etc etc ???"

I don't believe in mediums either, or the supernatural in the sense of things breaking the laws of physics. Doesn't mean consciousness is necessarily connected to the brain or that consciousness can be destroyed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not sure how the missis feels but I am agnostic on alot of thing. it might be true and it might not. I do however find it interesting hearing about peoples beliefs and experiences

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do not believe in...ghosts, spirits, ... or anything supernatural, preternatural or whatever.

I likewise do not believe in any of those things. But an 'afterlife' does not have to have anything to do with the supernatural, or be necessarily connected with the existence of a God or Gods.

May I ask for your views on the "god" thing?

Also, what is your definition of 'god'? Do you mean theistic? Deist? Pantheist? Do you mean a personal god, who answers prayer and intervenes with the workings of the universe, or as Einstein believed, the culmination of the physical laws of the universe? What do you mean exactly? That might help me answer your question better if I knew what you were asking.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not sure how the missis feels but I am agnostic on alot of thing. it might be true and it might not. I do however find it interesting hearing about peoples beliefs and experiences"

Likewise, I am agnostic on everything until I have evidence to the contrary.

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By *bbandflowCouple over a year ago

South Devon

"So just qualifying how clever you are.

I'm quite open to there being many things that mankind will never understand - including that physics doesn't and never will have all the answers.

Of course physics doesn't have all the answers-it merely describes and explains the physical world, which Quantum theory has already shown is not all there is."

Quantum theory has already shown is not all there is?...could you explain what this means

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

True event. Few yr was in car accident long story short apparently died and clearly remember what folk refer to as a bright light in front of it were both my parents and grandparents as i got closer my mum said not your time yet. Next i remember was in hospital with my kids next to me so in nutshell total believer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My problem with the white light thing is that when the brain starts to get starved of oxygen you do see a whitness. This is experienced by fighter pilots that can go into great G forces and the blood is restricted to the brain . The USAF did a lot of research into this and apparantly it is an area deep within the brain that it effects . This makes sense when some people are pronounced dead for a time perhaps due to the heart stopping and not sending oxygen to the brain. The brain still functions on a limited level and as say the heart restarts and oxygen is returned to the brain this experience is remembered along with any hopes that were also going through the mind at this traumatic time !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So just qualifying how clever you are.

I'm quite open to there being many things that mankind will never understand - including that physics doesn't and never will have all the answers.

Of course physics doesn't have all the answers-it merely describes and explains the physical world, which Quantum theory has already shown is not all there is.

Quantum theory has already shown is not all there is?...could you explain what this means"

The materialist (or physicalist) theory historically held that everything is made of matter, while physics has more recently shown that gravity, for example, is not made of matter in the traditional sense of an inert, senseless substance, in which extension, figure, and motion subsist.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not qualifying anything just giving my opinion in the room . And yes no one as yet can explain gravity at all just how it can be measured . But was'nt really discussing gravity.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of crap!

The only way you'll live once you're dead is by passing on your genes to your offspring.

Coincidentally, that is exactly what my dad believes.

I have to say that, if anything, I think that disbelief in an afterlife-in the face of or in ignorance of-evidence to the contrary-is in itself wishful thinking.

Just because the lives we live are pre-determined doesn't mean free will is an illusion.

We can change the course of our lives at ANY given time in the present, thanks to free will, that is..should you NOT bend or give in to the constant pressures of society and our peers!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My problem with the white light thing is that when the brain starts to get starved of oxygen you do see a whitness. This is experienced by fighter pilots that can go into great G forces and the blood is restricted to the brain . The USAF did a lot of research into this and apparantly it is an area deep within the brain that it effects ...The brain still functions on a limited level and as say the heart restarts and oxygen is returned to the brain this experience is remembered along with any hopes that were also going through the mind at this traumatic time !"

-The 'oxygen deprivation' theory has been largely discredited-as a result of improvements in resuscitation techniques, doctors in the UK have had testimony from heart attack patients who have been resuscitated, had no oxygen deprivation, and yet described experiencing a near death experience, including the 'light at the end of the tunnel' thing. Which means whatever it is, it is not the brain being starved of oxygen that causes this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is a fair amount of disrespect in this thread which shows that person's ignorance on the subject. Ignorance simply means lack of learning. Surely you would be better off at least being open-minded.

Everyone has the right to believe in what makes their life more palatable. Though it is true some psychics are charlatans. We all have some ability and small scale we call it intuition. The only time my intuition "fails" is when I ignore it.

I am so glad "suave" mentions physics for one day I believe there will be proof (but by then it won't be needed for enlightenment will be universal). Ever heard the expression the power of prayer. Well thought is energy. In fact it is my belief everything is energy and when we die our "energy" (soul) goes into transition (a different state). There sure is no nothingness.

But what do I know, I'm a girl

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not sure how the missis feels but I am agnostic on alot of thing. it might be true and it might not. I do however find it interesting hearing about peoples beliefs and experiences"

Me too - it amuses me how firmly people can believe in things about which they can't possibly know.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Free will is not an illusion in the sense that you can make whatever decisions and acts you want. It is however, an illusion in the sense that once you have done that thing, what you did cannot be undone (as travelling back in time is impossible) -so you were supposed to perform that particular action at that particular present (or 'point') in time and space.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I dont believe its correct to state ignorabce on the subject. For that to be stated it must be assumed it is all factually logged somewhere and someone has just not bothered to research it properly before making a comment . Lets not forget these threads are just what we think ,and what we feel. I would love there to be some sort of afterlife as long as I am not totally fed up with it all and look forward to nothing lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not qualifying anything just giving my opinion in the room . And yes no one as yet can explain gravity at all just how it can be measured . But was'nt really discussing gravity."

But we know it at least is not physical, atomic thing. So that means more than the physical exists.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do not believe in...ghosts, spirits, ... or anything supernatural, preternatural or whatever.

I likewise do not believe in any of those things. But an 'afterlife' does not have to have anything to do with the supernatural, or be necessarily connected with the existence of a God or Gods.

May I ask for your views on the "god" thing?

I suppose I was asking, how would you define "god"?,

Just interested in your views really!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is a fair amount of disrespect in this thread which shows that person's ignorance on the subject. Ignorance simply means lack of learning. Surely you would be better off at least being open-minded.

But what do I know, I'm a girl

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I thought the 'no idea' response to the God question was about the best possible answer you could get!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't believe there is anything apart from nothingness, which is sometimes hard to comprehend but that's how I think it'll be.

Whilst I totally respect your belief; on what basis and what empirical evidence?"

I don't have any empirical evidence myself, I don't need it either as that is just how my head thinks it'll be. It'll be just like that moment you have a general anaesthetic, it goes black and nothing.....except you don't come round.

I do happen to know someone who has cardiac arrested due to a heart problem. It did get brought up in a conversation one day and he said there is simply nothing. You exist and then you don't, that's how I see it. Just make the most of existence whilst you can

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont believe its correct to state ignorabce on the subject. For that to be stated it must be assumed it is all factually logged somewhere and someone has just not bothered to research it properly before making a comment . Lets not forget these threads are just what we think ,and what we feel. I would love there to be some sort of afterlife as long as I am not totally fed up with it all and look forward to nothing lol"

Physicist Frank J. Tipler addresses that idea in his book 'the physics of immortality'-he believes that an afterlife, if it exists, would be because of some highly advance supercomputer, existing in the distant future, which would collate all the information available from man and the universe, including consciousness, and store it all in a kind of virtual reality. Now, whilst I totally do not agree with him or his theories, they are at least plausible, and at any rate interesting.

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By *rystal denisonWoman over a year ago

trowbridge

I deffo think there is something after . if there wasn't then it is very depressing

Im also in to tarot and mediums ect I have no doubt in my mind that spirits watch over us

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i dont remember before i was born so why would i remember after i die.

totally goes against everything logical

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Free will is not an illusion in the sense that you can make whatever decisions and acts you want. It is however, an illusion in the sense that once you have done that thing, what you did cannot be undone (as travelling back in time is impossible) -so you were supposed to perform that particular action at that particular present (or 'point') in time and space."

Yes, I agree it can't be undone, but the final outcome depends on understanding that moment in time, I also believe that everything eventually boils down to positive and negative energy, our environment and universe can read our feelings, which are either pos or neg, and it simply creates our individual worlds accordingly, through perception!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't believe there is anything apart from nothingness, which is sometimes hard to comprehend but that's how I think it'll be.

Whilst I totally respect your belief; on what basis and what empirical evidence?

But how can you justify something without evidence? Essentially, that's just at best, guessing, at worst, making things up. I am not interested in guesswork of any kind (please note that is not directed at you); I am interested in proof.

It's interesting that you should mention being under anesthetic-surely people dream whilst being under anesthetic-just as when we sleep, we don't always dream, but sometimes we do. More to the point, absolutely, some people do not experience NDEs whilst close to death-but some people undeniably have, and due to improvements in resusitation techniques, that number is growing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"no

i dont remember before i was born so why would i remember after i die.

totally goes against everything logical"

Do you remember being born or being a baby? That speaks more of the limitations of the human brain rather than anything else.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Energy can not die or disappear so there must be something out there I believe. What some people think of as the soul could be the energy in all of us and everything that manages to be let free from the vessel that they are inside (us being our human bodies). Obviously no one has the answer but the universe as a whole is incomprehensible for any human to think of so there's a lot still to be learnt. Check out something called DMT which is literally in every living thing (plants included) and this is what's released in our bodies when we are about to die. Very interesting

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But it is the idea that there is a 'point in time' in the first place that is the illusion, or rather the misconception. Time is not a line, it is rather a series of dots one after another. Like a flickerbook is the analogy I often use.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

On the God thing , and this is just my opinion and not claiming to be an expert in anything.. The more science and physics finds things about our universe the further God gets away.

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"But how can you justify something without evidence? Essentially, that's just at best, guessing, at worst, making things up. I am not interested in guesswork of any kind (please note that is not directed at you); I am interested in proof.

Why do I need to justify it? That is how I believe it will be. I've accepted nothingness and moved on and don't worry about what'll happen once I'm dead and focus on enjoying the time I'm alive

Sadly if what I believe is correct you will never have any evidence as none could ever be provided as there is simply nothing.....

I had an anaesthetic only last week. It went black, the next thing I remember is coming round with a tube in my throat still and the nurse then pulling it out. Now that was a weird feeling

How the ladies manage to deepthroat I do not know

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"On the God thing , and this is just my opinion and not claiming to be an expert in anything.. The more science and physics finds things about our universe the further God gets away."

Do you mean the Judeo-Christian conception of 'god'? That just means that one conception of god is inaccurate, not that a 'god' doesn't exist. Also, it depends what you mean by 'god' really.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Keeping it all on a light note .. Why dont we all just think there is nothing and when we snuff it and find out there is this great afterlife will be pleasantly supprised ! Imagine how depressed we would be to die and find out there was nothing lol

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Mmmmm...I would agree there, but also think our understanding of what we actually are and how our personal exsistance impacts on everything we know, tends to be well...childlike at best!

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"Keeping it all on a light note .. Why dont we all just think there is nothing and when we snuff it and find out there is this great afterlife will be pleasantly supprised ! Imagine how depressed we would be to die and find out there was nothing lol"

Because it is possible to prove otherwise.

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By *adgodCouple over a year ago

Greensburg

I do not believe in an afterlife. Not only is there little logic in it, I would not know whose idea of it is the proper one anyway. There are too many conflicting views for anyone to be completely correct. I think it is simply a response to our greatest fear, death.

That being said, I certainly hope I am wrong. It would be nice to know there is something more than this, or at least something after it. I would love to remain me, regardless of how selfish and far-fetched that may be.

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Why do I need to justify it? That is how I believe it will be. I've accepted nothingness and moved on and don't worry about what'll happen once I'm dead and focus on enjoying the time I'm alive

Sadly if what I believe is correct you will never have any evidence as none could ever be provided as there is simply nothing.....

I had an anaesthetic only last week. It went black, the next thing I remember is coming round with a tube in my throat still and the nurse then pulling it out. Now that was a weird feeling

How the ladies manage to deepthroat I do not know

I did not say you had to justify your beliefs, nor would I expect anyone-including religious believers-to justify their beliefs. But I cannot, as a scientist, accept anything without empirical evidence. I can't see why this doesn't extend to such questions as the afterlife, god, et cetera.

On a similar note, I was recently 'put under' to have my tonsils out. I had a series of very, very vivid dreams. Quite why you singled out being put under anaesthetic, I don't know.

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Mmmmm...I would agree there, but also think our understanding of what we actually are and how our personal exsistance impacts on everything we know, tends to be well...childlike at best!

On the god question, if there is a god, then it must be something close to either the deist concept or the concept of the dharmic religions-that 'god' is like a physical force (like gravity or magnetism) and part and parcel of the laws of physics, rather than something existing outside of the universe that interferes with it. But I think if that's the case (and note, I didn't say it was), I think that the concept of an afterlife is wholly independent of it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I did not say you had to justify your beliefs, nor would I expect anyone-including religious believers-to justify their beliefs. But I cannot, as a scientist, accept anything without empirical evidence. I can't see why this doesn't extend to such questions as the afterlife, god, et cetera.

On a similar note, I was recently 'put under' to have my tonsils out. I had a series of very, very vivid dreams. Quite why you singled out being put under anaesthetic, I don't know."

That's cool, you're entitled to think that way, that's what makes us all individual and human after all. I only mentioned my anaesthetic as I didn't dream at all that I recall, in answer to you saying about dreaming whilst under one. I'm sure there is a whole hive of brain activity still going on, there has to be to keep us alive.

You sure the dreams weren't caused by the morphine suppository they stuck up your bum after they'd lopped your tonsils out?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Energy can not die or disappear so there must be something out there I believe. What some people think of as the soul could be the energy in all of us and everything that manages to be let free from the vessel that they are inside (us being our human bodies). Obviously no one has the answer but the universe as a whole is incomprehensible for any human to think of so there's a lot still to be learnt. Check out something called DMT which is literally in every living thing (plants included) and this is what's released in our bodies when we are about to die. Very interesting "

The first law of thermodynamics:

"Energy cannot be destroyed, only converted into another type of energy"

-also supported by Einstein's 'Conservation of Energy' principle.

If consciousness is part and parcel of some type of energy (and I'm not saying it is), it makes sense that consciousness likewise cannot be destroyed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nope. You're born, you live, you die.

To some it's comforting for them to believe in life after death. Most religions teach it in their books too.

It's just not something I believe in.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

On a similar note, I was recently 'put under' to have my tonsils out. I had a series of very, very vivid dreams. Quite why you singled out being put under anaesthetic, I don't know.

You sure the dreams weren't caused by the morphine suppository they stuck up your bum after they'd lopped your tonsils out?

No, I took morphine orally, and whilst it certainly dulled the pain, I can't for the life of me understand how people can get addicted to the stuff, or opiates in general.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do not believe in an afterlife. Not only is there little logic in it, I would not know whose idea of it is the proper one anyway. There are too many conflicting views for anyone to be completely correct. I think it is simply a response to our greatest fear, death.

Why is it 'logical' to believe this life is all there is, especially since the materialist conception of the universe has been largely discredited?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Nope. You're born, you live, you die.

To some it's comforting for them to believe in life after death. Most religions teach it in their books too.

It's just not something I believe in."

But I don't believe in an afterlife because I find it comforting-I believe in it based on evidence-and if anything, I'm pretty neutral on it-if it exists, it is simply a fact, nothing more, nothing less. If the opposite, likewise. But the evidence points to it existing in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Imagine how depressed we would be to die and find out there was nothing lol"

But you wouldn't be depressed because you would have ceased to exist. There would be no 'you' to get depressed or realise it does not exist in the first place. According to that belief (and it is a belief), anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know that was the joke in it hence the opening keeping it on a lighter note lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"On the God thing , and this is just my opinion and not claiming to be an expert in anything.. The more science and physics finds things about our universe the further God gets away."

Also, most scientists and in particular physicists are pretty neutral or at least agnostic on the whole 'god' thing, or profess disinterest in the question, being at is that we only accept things based on evidence. As there is no evidence that god does or does not exist, most of us tend to just go by the old adage 'I don't know', particularly bearing in mind that we are well aware, particularly in light of current discoveries, that physics cannot explain everything.

There are very few agressively fundamentalist atheists in the scientific community, contrary to popular belief.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I know that was the joke in it hence the opening keeping it on a lighter note lol"

Ohh...lol.

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"On the God thing , and this is just my opinion and not claiming to be an expert in anything.. The more science and physics finds things about our universe the further God gets away."

The idea of a god is loosing its grip.once religion had power,now it has nothing now people are funding the Answers.

To believe in a god is denying yourself of the understanding of how the amazing universe works.

To simply say god made it is beyond ignorant.

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