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Hockey coach is telling me to hit the gym to bulk up for next season and my new cycling coach is telling me to drop muscle weight for next season! So one sport will have to be dropped |
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I think you may have already answered your own question
I haven't even looked at your profile but just your profile name has the clue in it! Otherwise you would have but something about cycling in your profile name instead of puck!  obviously you sub consciously thing about that more maybe??
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Buy a track bike. Sprinters are pretty bulky...
Or, as you are tool old to make it as a cyclist, but (and my knowledge of hockey is limited so forgive me if the assumption is wrong) probably only have a potentially short playing career where as people are racing bikes at all ages, concentrate on the hockey for a few years.
Is there not a natural crossover though? I know spped skaters and track cyclists have had a crossover at all levels
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"Buy a track bike. Sprinters are pretty bulky...
Or, as you are tool old to make it as a cyclist, but (and my knowledge of hockey is limited so forgive me if the assumption is wrong) probably only have a potentially short playing career where as people are racing bikes at all ages, concentrate on the hockey for a few years.
Is there not a natural crossover though? I know spped skaters and track cyclists have had a crossover at all levels
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Ice hockey is about short burst speed and strength so no crossover with the cycle team. I have played ice hockey at semi pro level gor 4 years now and seems to be stagnant and a lot of my time goes into it and money paying for away trips. So thinking of a change and race for a team who provide bike and all expenses time for a change i think. |
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"Seeing as cycling is a pastime and not a sport your answer should be easy.
I bet sir chris , the most medaled Olympian in Britain would disagree with you lol  "
Big thumbs up! Like sir bradley, laura trott, vicky pendlton and meny more |
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"Buy a track bike. Sprinters are pretty bulky...
Or, as you are tool old to make it as a cyclist, but (and my knowledge of hockey is limited so forgive me if the assumption is wrong) probably only have a potentially short playing career where as people are racing bikes at all ages, concentrate on the hockey for a few years.
Is there not a natural crossover though? I know spped skaters and track cyclists have had a crossover at all levels
Ice hockey is about short burst speed and strength so no crossover with the cycle team. I have played ice hockey at semi pro level gor 4 years now and seems to be stagnant and a lot of my time goes into it and money paying for away trips. So thinking of a change and race for a team who provide bike and all expenses time for a change i think. "
Like I say, buy a track bike, Short bursts of speed and strength are the same attributes...
And if Hockey is a winter sport, racing track in the summer would work.
But if you are feel that you are stagnating then, I'd say look for new challenges. Though few if any teams provide bikes and expenses for riders with out a proven track record. And cycling even at local level is a very expensive sport. |
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Surely it's possible to do both by doing a lot of plyometric stuff mixed with strength work (4x4 or 5x5 lifts)
I saw a pic of (i think) Chris Hoy's thighs the other week and they were huge. And that German guy (god knows his name) |
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"Buy a track bike. Sprinters are pretty bulky...
Or, as you are tool old to make it as a cyclist, but (and my knowledge of hockey is limited so forgive me if the assumption is wrong) probably only have a potentially short playing career where as people are racing bikes at all ages, concentrate on the hockey for a few years.
Is there not a natural crossover though? I know spped skaters and track cyclists have had a crossover at all levels
Ice hockey is about short burst speed and strength so no crossover with the cycle team. I have played ice hockey at semi pro level gor 4 years now and seems to be stagnant and a lot of my time goes into it and money paying for away trips. So thinking of a change and race for a team who provide bike and all expenses time for a change i think.
Like I say, buy a track bike, Short bursts of speed and strength are the same attributes...
And if Hockey is a winter sport, racing track in the summer would work.
But if you are feel that you are stagnating then, I'd say look for new challenges. Though few if any teams provide bikes and expenses for riders with out a proven track record. And cycling even at local level is a very expensive sport."
Thats why im in training for next season to see if im up for it and bike plus expenses are all paid for including my current training. Not into track racing at all more road |
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Unless you have the realistic potential to become a serious contender in either dicipline surely its worth making a couple of compromises just to carry on enjoying both sports….  |
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"Unless you have the realistic potential to become a serious contender in either dicipline surely its worth making a couple of compromises just to carry on enjoying both sports…. "
Will never be serious at my age but cant handle two coaches expecting me to be on two different Regimes. Ice hockey maybe a winter sport but we continue to train all year round |
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For people wondering why i cant do both google chris froom then google brad leeb look at the difference in body shape cycling coach wants me to drop 9kg |
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I go for the sport of whichever coach hangs around the changing rooms most while your getting showered and offers a personal massage back at his place,,,
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"For people wondering why i cant do both google chris froom then google brad leeb look at the difference in body shape cycling coach wants me to drop 9kg "
Greg was hotter. |
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Ok and google Magnus Backstedt - now tell me why you can't do both?
Ultimately you are never going to be Chris Froome and there are few hilly UK races so the comparison is hardly a fair one.
But am I right in thinking you have never raced? |
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"Hockey coach is telling me to hit the gym to bulk up for next season and my new cycling coach is telling me to drop muscle weight for next season! So one sport will have to be dropped "
Hockey (actual ) or field? If its actual hockey then ditch the two wheeler!! |
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"Ok and google Magnus Backstedt - now tell me why you can't do both?
Ultimately you are never going to be Chris Froome and there are few hilly UK races so the comparison is hardly a fair one.
But am I right in thinking you have never raced? "
I have raced before but not for a team like this and not saying i will be chris froom its my coach who wants me to drop weight |
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Did you manage to read my above post?
I'm a little bit at odds with why you ccan't be lean but strong with very functional strength. UFC fighters and Judoka are a great example of a rounded combination of strength, and eduarance whilst keeping body weight as low as possible. |
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"Hockey coach is telling me to hit the gym to bulk up for next season and my new cycling coach is telling me to drop muscle weight for next season! So one sport will have to be dropped
Hockey (actual ) or field? If its actual hockey then ditch the two wheeler!!"
Mans hockey! Played on ice |
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"Did you manage to read my above post?
I'm a little bit at odds with why you ccan't be lean but strong with very functional strength. UFC fighters and Judoka are a great example of a rounded combination of strength, and eduarance whilst keeping body weight as low as possible."
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Coach wants me to drop weight and ice hockey is not a sport to be light! Hard hitting and fights a real stat is nhl hockey player is 20% lighter than an american football player yet the hits are 40% harder |
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"Ok and google Magnus Backstedt - now tell me why you can't do both?
Ultimately you are never going to be Chris Froome and there are few hilly UK races so the comparison is hardly a fair one.
But am I right in thinking you have never raced?
I have raced before but not for a team like this and not saying i will be chris froom its my coach who wants me to drop weight "
Out of interest what racing have you done, and what direction is your coach pushing you in?
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"Ok and google Magnus Backstedt - now tell me why you can't do both?
Ultimately you are never going to be Chris Froome and there are few hilly UK races so the comparison is hardly a fair one.
But am I right in thinking you have never raced?
I have raced before but not for a team like this and not saying i will be chris froom its my coach who wants me to drop weight
Out of interest what racing have you done, and what direction is your coach pushing you in?
Local running and cycling club tends to be about 20 mile flat time trailing coach is pushing for more long distance which i want
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"Did you manage to read my above post?
I'm a little bit at odds with why you ccan't be lean but strong with very functional strength. UFC fighters and Judoka are a great example of a rounded combination of strength, and eduarance whilst keeping body weight as low as possible..
Coach wants me to drop weight and ice hockey is not a sport to be light! Hard hitting and fights a real stat is nhl hockey player is 20% lighter than an american football player yet the hits are 40% harder "
The average player is 20% lighter but it's not a sport to be light?? I don't get that.
Functional strength and lean mass are far more important than what a scale says imo. |
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"Did you manage to read my above post?
I'm a little bit at odds with why you ccan't be lean but strong with very functional strength. UFC fighters and Judoka are a great example of a rounded combination of strength, and eduarance whilst keeping body weight as low as possible..
Coach wants me to drop weight and ice hockey is not a sport to be light! Hard hitting and fights a real stat is nhl hockey player is 20% lighter than an american football player yet the hits are 40% harder
The average player is 20% lighter but it's not a sport to be light?? I don't get that.
Functional strength and lean mass are far more important than what a scale says imo."
. Just look at the size of american footballers then you will understand |
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By the way just a little plug: people of coventry and surrounding areas get down to broadgate at 10 am for the coventry cycle event lots planned great family fun |
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Without meaning to sound rude, but what are your coaches credentials?
20 miles is an unusual distance for time trialling, your build and sporting background would suit 10, 25 and probably 50 mile time trials. You don't really need to be losing weight for flat timetrials (yes it is a compromise as the increased strength will also equate to increased weight but not a huge compromise) and unless you have a background in endurance sport I'm failling to see why a coach would think about longer distances in a near novice. Why not race 10 and 25 mile tt's without the stress of being in a team this year and see how you get on and then make a decision?
Again look at the size of someone like Rob hayles, best known as a track rider but a national champion at time trialling on the road? Bulk did not slow him down. |
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"Without meaning to sound rude, but what are your coaches credentials?
20 miles is an unusual distance for time trialling, your build and sporting background would suit 10, 25 and probably 50 mile time trials. You don't really need to be losing weight for flat timetrials (yes it is a compromise as the increased strength will also equate to increased weight but not a huge compromise) and unless you have a background in endurance sport I'm failling to see why a coach would think about longer distances in a near novice. Why not race 10 and 25 mile tt's without the stress of being in a team this year and see how you get on and then make a decision?
Again look at the size of someone like Rob hayles, best known as a track rider but a national champion at time trialling on the road? Bulk did not slow him down."
My time trials where not with this coach and he has currently got races in the current tour series thats my aim and like i said thats what he wants for me to loose weight |
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"Hockey coach is telling me to hit the gym to bulk up for next season and my new cycling coach is telling me to drop muscle weight for next season! So one sport will have to be dropped
Hockey (actual ) or field? If its actual hockey then ditch the two wheeler!!
Mans hockey! Played on ice"
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"Without meaning to sound rude, but what are your coaches credentials?
20 miles is an unusual distance for time trialling, your build and sporting background would suit 10, 25 and probably 50 mile time trials. You don't really need to be losing weight for flat timetrials (yes it is a compromise as the increased strength will also equate to increased weight but not a huge compromise) and unless you have a background in endurance sport I'm failling to see why a coach would think about longer distances in a near novice. Why not race 10 and 25 mile tt's without the stress of being in a team this year and see how you get on and then make a decision?
Again look at the size of someone like Rob hayles, best known as a track rider but a national champion at time trialling on the road? Bulk did not slow him down.
My time trials where not with this coach and he has currently got races in the current tour series thats my aim and like i said thats what he wants for me to loose weight "
I admire your ambition, I really do but the liklihood of you riding in the tour series next season, or even the season after is incredibly slim. Even if you had the fitness you would be unlikely to have the handling skills. Tour series teams tend to have a roster of elite and 1st cat riders, as a novice you'd be a 4th cat.
Domestically, the tour series are the most prestigous races out there. Unless you have incredible natural talent you cannot expect to start at that level, and if you have that ability your coach should be getting you racing locally now as much for the eperience of riding in a bunch. |
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"Without meaning to sound rude, but what are your coaches credentials?
20 miles is an unusual distance for time trialling, your build and sporting background would suit 10, 25 and probably 50 mile time trials. You don't really need to be losing weight for flat timetrials (yes it is a compromise as the increased strength will also equate to increased weight but not a huge compromise) and unless you have a background in endurance sport I'm failling to see why a coach would think about longer distances in a near novice. Why not race 10 and 25 mile tt's without the stress of being in a team this year and see how you get on and then make a decision?
Again look at the size of someone like Rob hayles, best known as a track rider but a national champion at time trialling on the road? Bulk did not slow him down.
My time trials where not with this coach and he has currently got races in the current tour series thats my aim and like i said thats what he wants for me to loose weight
I admire your ambition, I really do but the liklihood of you riding in the tour series next season, or even the season after is incredibly slim. Even if you had the fitness you would be unlikely to have the handling skills. Tour series teams tend to have a roster of elite and 1st cat riders, as a novice you'd be a 4th cat.
Domestically, the tour series are the most prestigous races out there. Unless you have incredible natural talent you cannot expect to start at that level, and if you have that ability your coach should be getting you racing locally now as much for the eperience of riding in a bunch."
But it isn't all about winning surely - taking part and developing your speed and strenght and enjoying the sport and working as a team must be important - Z
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"Without meaning to sound rude, but what are your coaches credentials?
20 miles is an unusual distance for time trialling, your build and sporting background would suit 10, 25 and probably 50 mile time trials. You don't really need to be losing weight for flat timetrials (yes it is a compromise as the increased strength will also equate to increased weight but not a huge compromise) and unless you have a background in endurance sport I'm failling to see why a coach would think about longer distances in a near novice. Why not race 10 and 25 mile tt's without the stress of being in a team this year and see how you get on and then make a decision?
Again look at the size of someone like Rob hayles, best known as a track rider but a national champion at time trialling on the road? Bulk did not slow him down.
My time trials where not with this coach and he has currently got races in the current tour series thats my aim and like i said thats what he wants for me to loose weight
I admire your ambition, I really do but the liklihood of you riding in the tour series next season, or even the season after is incredibly slim. Even if you had the fitness you would be unlikely to have the handling skills. Tour series teams tend to have a roster of elite and 1st cat riders, as a novice you'd be a 4th cat.
Domestically, the tour series are the most prestigous races out there. Unless you have incredible natural talent you cannot expect to start at that level, and if you have that ability your coach should be getting you racing locally now as much for the eperience of riding in a bunch."
Thats your view of it and thats fine but you dont know what sort of level my coach thinks i am and can hit but clearly you already know better than my coach does |
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"Without meaning to sound rude, but what are your coaches credentials?
20 miles is an unusual distance for time trialling, your build and sporting background would suit 10, 25 and probably 50 mile time trials. You don't really need to be losing weight for flat timetrials (yes it is a compromise as the increased strength will also equate to increased weight but not a huge compromise) and unless you have a background in endurance sport I'm failling to see why a coach would think about longer distances in a near novice. Why not race 10 and 25 mile tt's without the stress of being in a team this year and see how you get on and then make a decision?
Again look at the size of someone like Rob hayles, best known as a track rider but a national champion at time trialling on the road? Bulk did not slow him down.
My time trials where not with this coach and he has currently got races in the current tour series thats my aim and like i said thats what he wants for me to loose weight
I admire your ambition, I really do but the liklihood of you riding in the tour series next season, or even the season after is incredibly slim. Even if you had the fitness you would be unlikely to have the handling skills. Tour series teams tend to have a roster of elite and 1st cat riders, as a novice you'd be a 4th cat.
Domestically, the tour series are the most prestigous races out there. Unless you have incredible natural talent you cannot expect to start at that level, and if you have that ability your coach should be getting you racing locally now as much for the eperience of riding in a bunch.
Thats your view of it and thats fine but you dont know what sort of level my coach thinks i am and can hit but clearly you already know better than my coach does "
"thinks" being the operative word. With the exception of Greg Mansell (who's father funds the team he rides for), can you or your coach name 1 rider who has competed in the Tour Series in their first season? And regardless of what your coach views as your physical capabilities it doesn't alter the fact that you won't have the handling skills to ride in a bunch of 60 riders on a narrow twisting circuit at 30mph.
And if your coach thinks you are that much of a talent why isn;t he encouraging you to race this season? Surely you could be riding at Mallory park and getting those handling skills?
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"Without meaning to sound rude, but what are your coaches credentials?
20 miles is an unusual distance for time trialling, your build and sporting background would suit 10, 25 and probably 50 mile time trials. You don't really need to be losing weight for flat timetrials (yes it is a compromise as the increased strength will also equate to increased weight but not a huge compromise) and unless you have a background in endurance sport I'm failling to see why a coach would think about longer distances in a near novice. Why not race 10 and 25 mile tt's without the stress of being in a team this year and see how you get on and then make a decision?
Again look at the size of someone like Rob hayles, best known as a track rider but a national champion at time trialling on the road? Bulk did not slow him down.
My time trials where not with this coach and he has currently got races in the current tour series thats my aim and like i said thats what he wants for me to loose weight
I admire your ambition, I really do but the liklihood of you riding in the tour series next season, or even the season after is incredibly slim. Even if you had the fitness you would be unlikely to have the handling skills. Tour series teams tend to have a roster of elite and 1st cat riders, as a novice you'd be a 4th cat.
Domestically, the tour series are the most prestigous races out there. Unless you have incredible natural talent you cannot expect to start at that level, and if you have that ability your coach should be getting you racing locally now as much for the eperience of riding in a bunch.
Thats your view of it and thats fine but you dont know what sort of level my coach thinks i am and can hit but clearly you already know better than my coach does
"thinks" being the operative word. With the exception of Greg Mansell (who's father funds the team he rides for), can you or your coach name 1 rider who has competed in the Tour Series in their first season? And regardless of what your coach views as your physical capabilities it doesn't alter the fact that you won't have the handling skills to ride in a bunch of 60 riders on a narrow twisting circuit at 30mph.
And if your coach thinks you are that much of a talent why isn;t he encouraging you to race this season? Surely you could be riding at Mallory park and getting those handling skills?
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Mate you need to chill your beans a bit didnt say i would race tour series next season i am training for next season not sure what level at. You dont know my ability as you dont know me. Obviously i cant hold up to your standard and massive knowledge of cycling i bow down to you sir |
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But it isn't all about winning surely - taking part and developing your speed and strenght and enjoying the sport and working as a team must be important - Z
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Totally agree, but the OP is stating that he is effectively going to be riding for one of the top domestic teams in what are effectively the premier league of UK bike races having never raced before.
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20 miles is an unusual distance for time trialling, your build and sporting background would suit 10, 25 and probably 50 mile time trials. You don't really need to be losing weight for flat timetrials (yes it is a compromise as the increased strength will also equate to increased weight but not a huge compromise) and unless you have a background in endurance sport I'm failling to see why a coach would think about longer distances in a near novice. Why not race 10 and 25 mile tt's without the stress of being in a team this year and see how you get on and then make a decision?
Again look at the size of someone like Rob hayles, best known as a track rider but a national champion at time trialling on the road? Bulk did not slow him down.
My time trials where not with this coach and he has currently got races in the current tour series thats my aim and like i said thats what he wants for me to loose weight
I admire your ambition, I really do but the liklihood of you riding in the tour series next season, or even the season after is incredibly slim. Even if you had the fitness you would be unlikely to have the handling skills. Tour series teams tend to have a roster of elite and 1st cat riders, as a novice you'd be a 4th cat.
Domestically, the tour series are the most prestigous races out there. Unless you have incredible natural talent you cannot expect to start at that level, and if you have that ability your coach should be getting you racing locally now as much for the eperience of riding in a bunch.
Thats your view of it and thats fine but you dont know what sort of level my coach thinks i am and can hit but clearly you already know better than my coach does
"thinks" being the operative word. With the exception of Greg Mansell (who's father funds the team he rides for), can you or your coach name 1 rider who has competed in the Tour Series in their first season? And regardless of what your coach views as your physical capabilities it doesn't alter the fact that you won't have the handling skills to ride in a bunch of 60 riders on a narrow twisting circuit at 30mph.
And if your coach thinks you are that much of a talent why isn;t he encouraging you to race this season? Surely you could be riding at Mallory park and getting those handling skills?
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But it isn't all about winning surely - taking part and developing your speed and strenght and enjoying the sport and working as a team must be important - Z
Totally agree, but the OP is stating that he is effectively going to be riding for one of the top domestic teams in what are effectively the premier league of UK bike races having never raced before.
Didnt say that at all i said my coach has riders in it and says i have potential so get your facts right im sure i wont hit that level but glad im signed to a team thank you very much
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I see your predicament puck , there's no relation between playing hockey and bike riding, but I do think your nemesis on here is misinterpreting what you are saying, your stagnant in hockey at the leel your on , so pursue the cycling and training on the advice of your coach.you may just have the niche your after in this sport |
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"I have decided to choose cycling as a test for my self and to prove certain people wrong "
best of luck with it and i hope you suceed ..you may have had a slight debate with crystal tonight but he does know what hes talking about and if it is a sport you wish to pursue then in my opinion you will be better off with him on your side ..wish you all the best as a fellow cyclist |
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"I have decided to choose cycling as a test for my self and to prove certain people wrong
Bugger, was hoping to abuse you when you came to visit in a Blaze shirt. "
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