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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Right, before I start, I know this will be one that divides opinion, but does anyone know about turning down jobs if you are on benefits - and moreover what effect doing so would have on receiving benefits ?
A friend is being levered to take a job that he does not want by his job centre contact.
He told her that he did not want to attend the interview as he was not interested in the job.
She said he 'had to' attend and look like he was interested.
He attended the interview under duress and said the employer seemed 'desperate' to fill the position(s).
An offer pack has fallen through his door today to start on Wednesday next week.
If he refuses the job - how will that his ability to claim benefits until such a time that he can secure a role in the field he was made redundant from (or similar) just 2 months ago ?
Is it the right way forward to be forcing people into roles that they neither want nor care about just to fill gaps / make the figures add up when all that will happen is that the employer will end up with hugs staff turnover and discontent ?
The job he feels he is being forced into is that of a 'traffic warden' which is not a job for everyone and takes some bottle I would dare say. |
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Take the job - the training will be excellent for any customer facing role that comes up in the future. And let's face it - if you can do that job it shows any potential employer that you can handle anything. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Take the job, take the money, leave people a note instead when they park wrong advising them not to do it again- corrupt from the inside! they'll soon change their minds when he dishes out no tickets |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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For me, personally, if I was in his shoes id take the job because, its work, its money, and its better than being on benefits. Id still look for sonething that I wanted though x |
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If he doesn't take it his jsa will be stopped. Simply because he isn't available for work. Why not take the job until something better comes along. I'd rather work in a crappy job I know I'm going to get out off then claim from the state. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Would it really be so bad for him to take it? I can see both sides really. He should probably ask if his benefits will be cut if he doesn't take it. "
I can see both sides too - and I think he can.
He is a bit more fucked off than me though - after all, it will be him that's dressed in red next week taking shit off all and sundry |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm the wrong sex!!! lol.
When I worked there (many moons ago) until they had been signing on at least 6 months they had some breathing space.
After 6 months they begin work focused interviews with an adviser. Once they start that process declining a job would mean a penalty but whether that still applies or not I dont know.
I think it depends if the 'employer' informs the job centre or not. If the employer doesn't tell the job centre they offered the job, and the friend doesn't they will never know.
If the employer has informed the job centre then they have probably already finalised his last payment and informed the tax office that he is starting work |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you get offered a job and are capable of doing it whatever it is then you do it. In my opinion you don't get to pick and choose. If you don't take it all benefits should be stopped immediately |
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Yeah they will stop his benefits.
It sucks not doing what he wants I'm sure but it's better than nothing surely? Plus I've always found its easier to get another job when you have one. No one seems to want to take on the unemployed x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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they will stop benefit if he rejects the job.its better to just accept it till something else comes along.
my hubby is desperate for work,just been unsucessfull after an interview for a job he is perfectly capable of doing.his age i bet.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Bussy - I can see why he's not happy - doing a job you're not interested in will be frustrating.
But I don't view it as being 'forced into work' - he can refuse the job of course - but then it's only fair that he can no longer claim benefits. At the end of the day work is work. Benefits are there to help - not provide for - when there's no work to be had.
Not when there's no work people specifically want to do.
Otherwise i'd be claiming til there was a vacancy as Holly Willabooby's VPL smoother-outer and underwear adjuster! |
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i agree that he should take the job -
firstly, because they're sure to cut his benefits if he doesn't.
secondly, he'll still be able to look for other job and he'll be able to say to potential employers that he took this job as he isn't one to sit around on benefits when he could be working - ie he's a motivated guy.
thirdly, he might have to wait a long while for the right job as (presumably) he was made redundant because there isn't currently a surplus of work out there for people in his field. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Alternative is looking at self employment. Theres a scheme called the New Enterprise Allowance (NEA) that they don't like to shout about. If he wants to look at freelancing in his old career this will give him 3 months full JSA & 3 months at half rate + whatever he can earn from work. Just need to come up with a viable business plan if he's eligible for the scheme. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think its only fair to give anyone a reasonable amount of time to find a new job that is best suited to his or her skills and experience. But how long that period is, would depend on an assessment of the amount of applied effort and realistic expectation of the individual concerned.
But I do think anyone on long-term benefit turning down a Traffic Wardens job for anything other than medical reasons smacks a bit of arrogance……
Yes it's a position that may not be best suited to someone’s personal demeanour…. But you don’t know until you try!!!!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you are out of work and on benefits you should accept any job, I have never claimed a thing in all my life and it annoys me when folks start getting picky. I appreciate everyone has their own views on this but having cleaned toilets, gutted turkey's and worked in the fields i am proud to say i have never relied on government aid..... If you dont accept what work is offered then your benefits should be stopped... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Interesting one this isn't it !
What qualifications / skills do you need to stick tickets on peoples cars effectively ?
Are the junior / middle management that find themselves out of work through no fault of their own being treated differently than others within the benefits system because of the 'skills' they have ?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I cannot understand why anyone would turn down an opportunity to gain a little bit of self respect. When I graduated as a qualified teacher I couldn't get a teaching job. Did I sit on my backside complaining? No. I did any job I could....and yes, it included cleaning toilets, which in my opinion is far worse that being a traffic warden....but at least I was earning my own money and not being supported by the tax payer.
Yes we would all like wait for our dream job to come along but in my experience you have to make that happen and that normally means you have to start by doing something you don't like. That is life. |
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"Yeah they will stop his benefits.
It sucks not doing what he wants I'm sure but it's better than nothing surely? Plus I've always found its easier to get another job when you have one. No one seems to want to take on the unemployed x"
Having 'Parking Parasite' on his CV could be a bit of a millstone though |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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He will (as many have said) take the job and put up with it until something better comes along, but I do think it easy for those of us in employment to sit and say 'he must take it'
I am not sure how many of us, me included, would be content with being effectively told you are now a traffic warden.
If it was a warehouse job or something like that then yeah, but it is most definately not a job for everyone and if the company (in conjunction with JCP) are simply pushing candidates through, is it any wonder that they are experiencing huge staff turnover and seem 'desperate' to take anyone.
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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago
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It's a tough one to call.
I have been unemployed and was not able to claim for anything.
The problem with signing in and getting JSA means the job centre basically has you by the balls, and in this current climate anyone who gets offered a job is very lucky.
He is probably best to take it as he can gain experience and look for other jobs.
It seems people who are already employed are more likely to get a job offer.
I have got a job,but dont start for a month or so yet. It's not my ideal job that I'm qualified for, but I am most definitely grateful for getting it!
As for the job centre having him by the balls, is he not allowed to turn a job down 3 times before his benefits are stopped? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I cannot understand why anyone would turn down an opportunity to gain a little bit of self respect. When I graduated as a qualified teacher I couldn't get a teaching job. Did I sit on my backside complaining? No. I did any job I could....and yes, it included cleaning toilets, which in my opinion is far worse that being a traffic warden....but at least I was earning my own money and not being supported by the tax payer.
Yes we would all like wait for our dream job to come along but in my experience you have to make that happen and that normally means you have to start by doing something you don't like. That is life."
I'll swap you your mop n bucket for my red jumper and best pen then, cos I would sooner clean toilets than be a traffic warden |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Would it really be so bad for him to take it? I can see both sides really. He should probably ask if his benefits will be cut if he doesn't take it.
I can see both sides too - and I think he can.
He is a bit more fucked off than me though - after all, it will be him that's dressed in red next week taking shit off all and sundry "
Dressed in red? You said traffic warden, not santa claus!
I reckon you should find out where he'll be working and shout supportive comments at him across the street. |
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Traffic wardens earn a mint, don't they? (I can't remember what the average wage is).
Having been unemployed since last October, I'd have been over the moon to be offered something like that rather than returning to a part time job at a cafe 1.5 hours away after a failed attempt to make something of myself. - I hate it and I feel like I've fallen back down a deep well that I can't get out of but I did what I had to to get off Jobseekers and I'm still looking for another job.
I do however understand that there are certain things people just haven't got the thick skin for, i.e some of the things funeral directors see.
The only thing I drew the line at and point blank told the Jobcentre I wouldn't do was telesales. As someone who suffers from depression where a sales role lead to an emotional breakdown, I think they at least understood that forcing/pressuring me into something like that wouldn't benefit anyone.
- Amy. x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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" The job he feels he is being forced into is that of a 'traffic warden' which is not a job for everyone and takes some bottle I would dare say."
LOL Jobcentre did just the same to me, in 2007. Fortunately, my start date as a traffic warden was about a month in the future, and I was able to find a temporary job in my own industry, before I started.
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"Right, before I start, I know this will be one that divides opinion, but does anyone know about turning down jobs if you are on benefits - and moreover what effect doing so would have on receiving benefits ?
A friend is being levered to take a job that he does not want by his job centre contact.
He told her that he did not want to attend the interview as he was not interested in the job.
She said he 'had to' attend and look like he was interested.
He attended the interview under duress and said the employer seemed 'desperate' to fill the position(s).
An offer pack has fallen through his door today to start on Wednesday next week.
If he refuses the job - how will that his ability to claim benefits until such a time that he can secure a role in the field he was made redundant from (or similar) just 2 months ago ?
Is it the right way forward to be forcing people into roles that they neither want nor care about just to fill gaps / make the figures add up when all that will happen is that the employer will end up with hugs staff turnover and discontent ?
The job he feels he is being forced into is that of a 'traffic warden' which is not a job for everyone and takes some bottle I would dare say."
Of course the little darling shouldn't be pressured into taking a job he doesn't want rather than take benefits
After all the uniform might not suit him or he might have to work out in all weathers |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Of course they should take the job and be happy, any job is better than no job, when you are working it is so much easier to get a better job.
I have had to work since the age of 15, delivering milk, papers, fruit and veg, not exactly career choices,
A traffic warden works for the council, there is a union, clothes and boots provided, its in the fresh air, healthy, plus a decent wage, and probably a pension, health insurance.
If you don't try things, you never know what you may like,
Obviously if they want a different job/ career it will be easier to show your adaptable.
There are many jobs available, maybe not the perfect job, but for any one, self esteem, confidence, and of course independence should come first.
only a tiny number of people are unable to work, and of course they need and deserve the help of the state.
Just my 2 cents. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Dear God, how times have changed Years ago it would be a case of 'Waw, great I've been offered a job' These days the first thing that springs to peoples minds is 'will I lose my benefits' |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Take the job - the training will be excellent for any customer facing role that comes up in the future. And let's face it - if you can do that job it shows any potential employer that you can handle anything."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Dear God, how times have changed Years ago it would be a case of 'Waw, great I've been offered a job' These days the first thing that springs to peoples minds is 'will I lose my benefits' "
Well said. Those that do work are fed up of supporting the feckless who can't be bothered to get off their lazy arses as it might ruin the amount of the time they have in the day to complain that the world owes them! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Bussy - I can see why he's not happy - doing a job you're not interested in will be frustrating.
But I don't view it as being 'forced into work' - he can refuse the job of course - but then it's only fair that he can no longer claim benefits. At the end of the day work is work. Benefits are there to help - not provide for - when there's no work to be had.
Not when there's no work people specifically want to do.
Otherwise i'd be claiming til there was a vacancy as Holly Willabooby's VPL smoother-outer and underwear adjuster! "
Id fight u for that job obi lol xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The way it works is he has to give a valid reason why he cant take the job, if he can give them a genuine reason then good on him.
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Good on him for giving a genuine reason NOT to take the job?? Yet again I'll say Dear God |
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i am amazed that this thread is serious????
in my op if your on the dole and you turn down ANY job, assuming its in your area, then you should have all benifit stoped. why should tax payers fund your life until the "perfect" job comes along, ive done some truely bad jobs in my time just to earn, the world does not owe anyone a living |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Oooo...this is a hard one, as I'm on benefits at the moment, I would struggle here, I'm totally against FINES of any kind as they only punish the poor, and to send a poor person into that situation is nasty, he MAY be able to refuse that job as most of the "traffic warden" jobs are target based... Which means you'll earn on commission! There for, there's no set wage, which is unacceptable to most!
But they WILL stop your benefit while investigating the issue, which WILL affect your rent benefit and so on...as the JC sent you the job, there is a chance they are in contact with the employer and already know you have had an offer!
I feel I must add, although I'm against "traffic wardens", I can't AFFORD to take an active stance at the moment..I would accept gratefully and continue to look for something more suitable! |
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By *EXY50ishWoman
over a year ago
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If he refuses the job without good reason. His benefit may be suspended for refusing employment.
Benefits are there as a safety net and a condition of getting them as that you seek employment.
Personally I would take any job rather than live off the state, or rather live of the tax paid by people like me.
2nd rant of the day over |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In Bham ALL traffic wardens have a set wage.I find it hard to believe they get commision. Never heard of that anywhere. Proof please."
There are targets. Comission might not happen in Brum but something like that happens in London.
You have to have targets or you'd have people sitting in the cafe all day! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If he refuses the job without good reason. His benefit may be suspended for refusing employment.
Benefits are there as a safety net and a condition of getting them as that you seek employment.
Personally I would take any job rather than live off the state, or rather live of the tax paid by people like me.
2nd rant of the day over"
Actually the ONLY condition to receiving benefits in this country is that you are HUMAN, living in THIS country and in NEED of assisstance, the job search thing is a condition of jobseekers nothing more, I've worked 2 jobs for 23 yrs, raised 3 kids and supported my hubby while he was getting his degree's...I think I'm DUE my OWN TAXES! |
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"If he refuses the job without good reason. His benefit may be suspended for refusing employment.
Benefits are there as a safety net and a condition of getting them as that you seek employment.
Personally I would take any job rather than live off the state, or rather live of the tax paid by people like me.
2nd rant of the day over
Actually the ONLY condition to receiving benefits in this country is that you are HUMAN, living in THIS country and in NEED of assisstance, the job search thing is a condition of jobseekers nothing more, I've worked 2 jobs for 23 yrs, raised 3 kids and supported my hubby while he was getting his degree's...I think I'm DUE my OWN TAXES! "
i dont agree with this, you not working puts a strain on everyone who is working, i understand that you have worked, but to say you have worked hard for 23 years so your entitaled to some time off is naive at best |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They do get a set wage. Just looked at the websites.Wish people wouldn't make up false arguments. "
Try accepting one of the jobs, rather than just believing what others write on a comp, real life IS much different when you have to live it! |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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"In Bham ALL traffic wardens have a set wage.I find it hard to believe they get commision. Never heard of that anywhere. Proof please.
There are targets. Comission might not happen in Brum but something like that happens in London.
You have to have targets or you'd have people sitting in the cafe all day!" Poster is from Alloa and n9 mention on their jobsite about commission.Dunno about London. Where can I read this please? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The traffic warden job I was offered had a set wage and no commission. Yes, there were targets, but I was given the impression that the targets were easy to achieve, and that wardens are expected to be lenient (e.g. ignore 5 mins over, penalise 20 mins over). Targets were also spread out over the whole day, to prevent wardens meeting their target in the first hour and taking the rest of the day off! |
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By *EXY50ishWoman
over a year ago
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"If he refuses the job without good reason. His benefit may be suspended for refusing employment.
Benefits are there as a safety net and a condition of getting them as that you seek employment.
Personally I would take any job rather than live off the state, or rather live of the tax paid by people like me.
2nd rant of the day over
Actually the ONLY condition to receiving benefits in this country is that you are HUMAN, living in THIS country and in NEED of assisstance, the job search thing is a condition of jobseekers nothing more, I've worked 2 jobs for 23 yrs, raised 3 kids and supported my hubby while he was getting his degree's...I think I'm DUE my OWN TAXES! "
I think if you look at conditions of entitlement you'll find there are a great many of them. Yes, looking for work is a condition for jobseekers the clue is in the title of the benefit !!!! EG seeking work
I've worked since the day after I left school, and STILL don't expect to be kept by anyone else. I prefer my taxes to go to hospitals, schools, people who aren't ABLE to work. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If he refuses the job without good reason. His benefit may be suspended for refusing employment.
Benefits are there as a safety net and a condition of getting them as that you seek employment.
Personally I would take any job rather than live off the state, or rather live of the tax paid by people like me.
2nd rant of the day over
Actually the ONLY condition to receiving benefits in this country is that you are HUMAN, living in THIS country and in NEED of assisstance, the job search thing is a condition of jobseekers nothing more, I've worked 2 jobs for 23 yrs, raised 3 kids and supported my hubby while he was getting his degree's...I think I'm DUE my OWN TAXES!
i dont agree with this, you not working puts a strain on everyone who is working, i understand that you have worked, but to say you have worked hard for 23 years so your entitaled to some time off is naive at best"
Its also NOT what I said!
I don't WANT time off, unemployment is not a bloody holiday, I've worked all my life and I'm ENTITLED to expect a level of care from the society me and my family have been PAYING into all these years! |
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"If he refuses the job without good reason. His benefit may be suspended for refusing employment.
Benefits are there as a safety net and a condition of getting them as that you seek employment.
Personally I would take any job rather than live off the state, or rather live of the tax paid by people like me.
2nd rant of the day over
Actually the ONLY condition to receiving benefits in this country is that you are HUMAN, living in THIS country and in NEED of assisstance, the job search thing is a condition of jobseekers nothing more, I've worked 2 jobs for 23 yrs, raised 3 kids and supported my hubby while he was getting his degree's...I think I'm DUE my OWN TAXES!
i dont agree with this, you not working puts a strain on everyone who is working, i understand that you have worked, but to say you have worked hard for 23 years so your entitaled to some time off is naive at best
Its also NOT what I said!
I don't WANT time off, unemployment is not a bloody holiday, I've worked all my life and I'm ENTITLED to expect a level of care from the society me and my family have been PAYING into all these years! "
i agree that you should expect care,but should you be able to turn down a job you dont like, as per the op, and still recieve benifits then no |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If he refuses the job without good reason. His benefit may be suspended for refusing employment.
Benefits are there as a safety net and a condition of getting them as that you seek employment.
Personally I would take any job rather than live off the state, or rather live of the tax paid by people like me.
2nd rant of the day over
Actually the ONLY condition to receiving benefits in this country is that you are HUMAN, living in THIS country and in NEED of assisstance, the job search thing is a condition of jobseekers nothing more, I've worked 2 jobs for 23 yrs, raised 3 kids and supported my hubby while he was getting his degree's...I think I'm DUE my OWN TAXES!
i dont agree with this, you not working puts a strain on everyone who is working, i understand that you have worked, but to say you have worked hard for 23 years so your entitaled to some time off is naive at best
Its also NOT what I said!
I don't WANT time off, unemployment is not a bloody holiday, I've worked all my life and I'm ENTITLED to expect a level of care from the society me and my family have been PAYING into all these years! "
Only if your circumstances dictated a need for it. If you are Ill you go you the Free state funded Dr, if you are unemployed you receive benefits until you find work when you retire you will receive a state pension. Just because you have worked for 23 years does not make you anymore entitled to anything then anyone else.
As to the OP damn right he should loose his benefits if he turns the job down. It's his personal choice but if he is fit & qualified to do a job, he should do it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If he refuses the job without good reason. His benefit may be suspended for refusing employment.
Benefits are there as a safety net and a condition of getting them as that you seek employment.
Personally I would take any job rather than live off the state, or rather live of the tax paid by people like me.
2nd rant of the day over
Actually the ONLY condition to receiving benefits in this country is that you are HUMAN, living in THIS country and in NEED of assisstance, the job search thing is a condition of jobseekers nothing more, I've worked 2 jobs for 23 yrs, raised 3 kids and supported my hubby while he was getting his degree's...I think I'm DUE my OWN TAXES!
i dont agree with this, you not working puts a strain on everyone who is working, i understand that you have worked, but to say you have worked hard for 23 years so your entitaled to some time off is naive at best
Its also NOT what I said!
I don't WANT time off, unemployment is not a bloody holiday, I've worked all my life and I'm ENTITLED to expect a level of care from the society me and my family have been PAYING into all these years!
Only if your circumstances dictated a need for it. If you are Ill you go you the Free state funded Dr, if you are unemployed you receive benefits until you find work when you retire you will receive a state pension. Just because you have worked for 23 years does not make you anymore entitled to anything then anyone else.
As to the OP damn right he should loose his benefits if he turns the job down. It's his personal choice but if he is fit & qualified to do a job, he should do it. "
Nothing in this country is FREE and certainly not healthcare...I've already paid into these "organisations" with sweat and my taxes and as far as I'm aware I'll receive NO state penion on retirement!
I never said I was MORE entitled...just simply ENTITLED! |
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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago
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you are entitled and rightly so if you cannot find a job.But you can.For goodness sake I was out of work for a while and applied for every job going. Eventually got one part time and no better off than benefits but because I worked my butt off I got a full time job cos of that. Swallow your pride mate. |
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I have no personal experience of the benefits people receive but I have friends that have.
The first example I have been told about is my friend is a diabetic. He was being told by his advisor 'not' to inform any potential employer about his medical issues during the application and the interview stages, In short LIE.
This is not only illegal but a dangerous practice, any accident/injury caused by the undisclosed diabetes would not be covered by the companies insurance.
The second was a friends daughter, she was made to work in a totally male warehouse, not illegal I know, just awkward.
The work was heavy lifting, so heavy that men that had been sent in by an agency walked out after a few hours claiming it was too hard.
She stayed and worked for three days, her father, my friend, noticed her whole body was covered in bruises. After a count up she had 40 bruises over her arms, legs and torso.
She no longer works for this very well known and respected high street chain, and is waiting on a decision about the effect it may have on her benefits.
Those that claim ' they will do any job' should be very careful, you may just get what you wished for, a job that you can't physically do, but advisors are claiming that you can! |
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"If he refuses the job without good reason. His benefit may be suspended for refusing employment.
Benefits are there as a safety net and a condition of getting them as that you seek employment.
Personally I would take any job rather than live off the state, or rather live of the tax paid by people like me.
2nd rant of the day over
Actually the ONLY condition to receiving benefits in this country is that you are HUMAN, living in THIS country and in NEED of assisstance, the job search thing is a condition of jobseekers nothing more, I've worked 2 jobs for 23 yrs, raised 3 kids and supported my hubby while he was getting his degree's...I think I'm DUE my OWN TAXES!
i dont agree with this, you not working puts a strain on everyone who is working, i understand that you have worked, but to say you have worked hard for 23 years so your entitaled to some time off is naive at best
Its also NOT what I said!
I don't WANT time off, unemployment is not a bloody holiday, I've worked all my life and I'm ENTITLED to expect a level of care from the society me and my family have been PAYING into all these years!
Only if your circumstances dictated a need for it. If you are Ill you go you the Free state funded Dr, if you are unemployed you receive benefits until you find work when you retire you will receive a state pension. Just because you have worked for 23 years does not make you anymore entitled to anything then anyone else.
As to the OP damn right he should loose his benefits if he turns the job down. It's his personal choice but if he is fit & qualified to do a job, he should do it.
Nothing in this country is FREE and certainly not healthcare...I've already paid into these "organisations" with sweat and my taxes and as far as I'm aware I'll receive NO state penion on retirement!
I never said I was MORE entitled...just simply ENTITLED! "
How is healthcare not free?
I'm Ill, I go to a go to the GP....free
I have an accident I go to hospital...free
I need a sexual health screening & contraception. ....free
I need a operation, I may need to wait if non urgent but still free.
If I an unemployed or in receipt of benefits my prescriptions are free.
I get subsidised dentistry (I'm fully employed) costs and due to family health problems free eye tests.
So sorry......what exactly isn't free regards healthcare in the UK? |
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How is healthcare not free?
I'm Ill, I go to a go to the GP....free
I have an accident I go to hospital...free
I need a sexual health screening & contraception. ....free
I need a operation, I may need to wait if non urgent but still free.
If I an unemployed or in receipt of benefits my prescriptions are free.
I get subsidised dentistry (I'm fully employed) costs and due to family health problems free eye tests.
So sorry......what exactly isn't free regards healthcare in the UK?"
In the UK, we have an excellent healthcare service, which is "free at the point of need".
However, it's not provided out of thin air, we're all paying for it indirectly through our taxes. |
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too bloody right we do!,but our money into healthcare seems to be a "freebie" for others who come here to have a birth,have quick hip op etc but our own folk are denied operations and cancer treatment because of the cost!,does not seem right to me!. |
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By *un_JuiceCouple
over a year ago
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"Take the job, take the money, leave people a note instead when they park wrong advising them not to do it again- corrupt from the inside! they'll soon change their minds when he dishes out no tickets "
That is truly the mark of a wonderful man. Respect. |
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Wish we did not have to work, oh hang on how would we have been able to get married, raise our Son, have family holidays, buy our house, buy our car, and all the little nice things we enjoy in life. Silly me the Dole would have have us all that, take the bloody job, and then carry on looking for the job you want and don't forget the only reason lot of warden get stick is because of the way the treat and speak to people, show people some respect while you issue your ticket and most will hold their hands up and accept it, it's when you become the big I am that the shit hits the fan |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have no personal experience of the benefits people receive but I have friends that have.
The first example I have been told about is my friend is a diabetic. He was being told by his advisor 'not' to inform any potential employer about his medical issues during the application and the interview stages, In short LIE.
This is not only illegal but a dangerous practice, any accident/injury caused by the undisclosed diabetes would not be covered by the companies insurance.
The second was a friends daughter, she was made to work in a totally male warehouse, not illegal I know, just awkward.
The work was heavy lifting, so heavy that men that had been sent in by an agency walked out after a few hours claiming it was too hard.
She stayed and worked for three days, her father, my friend, noticed her whole body was covered in bruises. After a count up she had 40 bruises over her arms, legs and torso.
She no longer works for this very well known and respected high street chain, and is waiting on a decision about the effect it may have on her benefits.
Those that claim ' they will do any job' should be very careful, you may just get what you wished for, a job that you can't physically do, but advisors are claiming that you can! " |
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"The problem is that if go for another job and admit to being a parking parasite then what sort of reaction will you get from the interviewer?
i'd show them the door straight away."
Do you realise how stupid that makes you sound?
And for those who don't like traffic wardens? Don't park illegally - it's not rocket science
*Her* |
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"The problem is that if go for another job and admit to being a parking parasite then what sort of reaction will you get from the interviewer?
i'd show them the door straight away.
Do you realise how stupid that makes you sound?
And for those who don't like traffic wardens? Don't park illegally - it's not rocket science
*Her*"
What's rocket science got to do with anything?
All sorts of companies put illegal parking restrictions all over our country, including the council, I refuse to be led like a blind sheep, I also won't pay any tickets or fines! |
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"The problem is that if go for another job and admit to being a parking parasite then what sort of reaction will you get from the interviewer?
i'd show them the door straight away.
Do you realise how stupid that makes you sound?
And for those who don't like traffic wardens? Don't park illegally - it's not rocket science
*Her*
What's rocket science got to do with anything?
All sorts of companies put illegal parking restrictions all over our country, including the council, I refuse to be led like a blind sheep, I also won't pay any tickets or fines! "
All sorts of people park with complete indifference to what effect it has on traffic flow, road safety and general inconvenience too. Picking and choosing which laws we like to adhere to is a dangerous game is it not ?
If you heroically refuse to pay fines, why not boycott the parking they provide also ?
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"The problem is that if go for another job and admit to being a parking parasite then what sort of reaction will you get from the interviewer?
i'd show them the door straight away.
Do you realise how stupid that makes you sound?
And for those who don't like traffic wardens? Don't park illegally - it's not rocket science
*Her*
What's rocket science got to do with anything?
All sorts of companies put illegal parking restrictions all over our country, including the council, I refuse to be led like a blind sheep, I also won't pay any tickets or fines!
All sorts of people park with complete indifference to what effect it has on traffic flow, road safety and general inconvenience too. Picking and choosing which laws we like to adhere to is a dangerous game is it not ?
If you heroically refuse to pay fines, why not boycott the parking they provide also ?
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I do! I park where I like! |
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"The problem is that if go for another job and admit to being a parking parasite then what sort of reaction will you get from the interviewer?
i'd show them the door straight away.
Do you realise how stupid that makes you sound?
And for those who don't like traffic wardens? Don't park illegally - it's not rocket science
*Her*
What's rocket science got to do with anything?
All sorts of companies put illegal parking restrictions all over our country, including the council, I refuse to be led like a blind sheep, I also won't pay any tickets or fines!
All sorts of people park with complete indifference to what effect it has on traffic flow, road safety and general inconvenience too. Picking and choosing which laws we like to adhere to is a dangerous game is it not ?
If you heroically refuse to pay fines, why not boycott the parking they provide also ?
I do! I park where I like! "
Lol best of luck, ill shed a tear when you're towed |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Course you do. Sorry don't believe you. Are you a 7th dan in Karate as well? "
I don't know if you are referring to me but if you were, then.. I do have a few martial arts trophies, But I don't really see the relevance? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Take the job, he can always chat up the totty and give them his number instead of a ticket "
And you could always join that dating site for people who like uniforms.
Might be a rubbish job for you but may have it's benefits(No pun intended). |
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