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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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A Police spokesmen speaking on the BBC News has confirmed reports that EDL graffiti was found on the burnt out remains of an Islamic Centre in North London although it was also stated that no connection has been established as to the cause of the fire....
Lets hope it's not connected...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Pardon my cynicism here but its just possible non edl folk sprayed the building purely to sir up trouble.
Regardless of who did it does not make it acceptable whatsoever.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"A Police spokesmen speaking on the BBC News has confirmed reports that EDL graffiti was found on the burnt out remains of an Islamic Centre in North London although it was also stated that no connection has been established as to the cause of the fire....
Lets hope it's not connected...
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i bet you it isn't directly connected.... but it will be indirectly..
someone who has listed to the hostile talk by groups such as the EDL, who have used the murder of the soldier to push their agenda... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Pardon my cynicism here but its just possible non edl folk sprayed the building purely to sir up trouble.
Regardless of who did it does not make it acceptable whatsoever.
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Could well be.... but whoever’s resposible for such a vile act has only have one aim and that is to stir-up tension...
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"A Police spokesmen speaking on the BBC News has confirmed reports that EDL graffiti was found on the burnt out remains of an Islamic Centre in North London although it was also stated that no connection has been established as to the cause of the fire....
Lets hope it's not connected...
i bet you it isn't directly connected.... but it will be indirectly..
someone who has listed to the hostile talk by groups such as the EDL, who have used the murder of the soldier to push their agenda..."
I doubt the cowards who did it will ever claim responsibility so we'll probably never know!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You just know that something else is going to kick off. This is getting stupid. "
The media want nothing more than some other horrendous act to go on they love it |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"You just know that something else is going to kick off. This is getting stupid.
The media want nothing more than some other horrendous act to go on they love it"
I totally disagree ,,,,,
I think the media are acting very responsibly over this…. |
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By *tomComMan
over a year ago
Wellingborough |
"A Police spokesmen speaking on the BBC News has confirmed reports that EDL graffiti was found on the burnt out remains of an Islamic Centre in North London although it was also stated that no connection has been established as to the cause of the fire....
Lets hope it's not connected...
i bet you it isn't directly connected.... but it will be indirectly..
someone who has listed to the hostile talk by groups such as the EDL, who have used the murder of the soldier to push their agenda...
I doubt the cowards who did it will ever claim responsibility so we'll probably never know! "
At least with the extremist people who saying they are doing deeds on behalf of Muslins are not ashamed of putting their hands up. Their acts and views degust most people, but at least they say who they are, and why they did or said it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's all sensationalism hype the media are trying to stir it as much as anyone it's def not good "
With you on that one to a large extent, but if the LFB/Met Police withheld the info about the graffiti found, they would be in the media's firing line for doing so.
And in the meantime, moderate thinking people on both sides suffer thanks to extremists.... yet again... 
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By *tomComMan
over a year ago
Wellingborough |
"You just know that something else is going to kick off. This is getting stupid.
The media want nothing more than some other horrendous act to go on they love it
I totally disagree ,,,,,
I think the media are acting very responsibly over this…. "
As long as the media show all the facts, and not just the facts that make the story sell better. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Ugh I'm going to town tomorrow, they better not be riots and looting going on. "
It was in Muswell Hill, it's not exactly Town. Interesting that a very genteel area of London was targeted in the first place. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You just know that something else is going to kick off. This is getting stupid.
The media want nothing more than some other horrendous act to go on they love it"
Yep, shifts papers. Irresponsible as it means more tit for tat in the future.
But I guess that's the point. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?"
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media "
oh right. Can I join? :P  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media "
Hmm, I suspect that the agenda philosophy and manner of the EDL helps the majority just understand them just fine. Their name in itself is designed to marginalise and separate. By its very nature EDL are an extremist organisation or they'd be part of a mainstream organisation. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"You just know that something else is going to kick off. This is getting stupid.
The media want nothing more than some other horrendous act to go on they love it
I totally disagree ,,,,,
I think the media are acting very responsibly over this….
As long as the media show all the facts, and not just the facts that make the story sell better."
Media will always present the story to best suit their audience.
The Telegraph reported the Tell Mama figure of 212 anti-Muslim incidents since the Woolwich attack, of which 17 were physical. ACPO reported 71 noteworthy incidents in the week after Lee Rigby's murder. The number of incidents has begun falling again.
Depending how you interpret that story it could be seen as Tell Mama scaremongering or flagging up what is being reported to them but not necessarily to the police.
The latest attack could be read as someone trying to stir things up or as a planned attack for a specific reason to send a specific political message. |
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"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media
oh right. Can I join? :P "
I'll sign up after you. Oh, wait...!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Apparently the bomber command memorial has been hit for a second time too "
Yes, about 4.30 this morning. Yet it hasn't been picked up on by the media, specially in London.. Now why could that be..??? Hmmmm..... maybe not 'Islamist' graffiti..?? Therefore, not news..??
Or is that just the cynic in me coming out...? |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media "
Ah, so the EDL is a belief system on a par to world-wide religion? I admit that extremists will always present their views extremely.
If this was the EDL then their claims to be protecting us from terrorists ring a little hollow when they commit violent terrorising acts. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A Police spokesmen speaking on the BBC News has confirmed reports that EDL graffiti was found on the burnt out remains of an Islamic Centre in North London although it was also stated that no connection has been established as to the cause of the fire....
Lets hope it's not connected...
i bet you it isn't directly connected.... but it will be indirectly..
someone who has listed to the hostile talk by groups such as the EDL, who have used the murder of the soldier to push their agenda...
I doubt the cowards who did it will ever claim responsibility so we'll probably never know!
At least with the extremist people who saying they are doing deeds on behalf of Muslins are not ashamed of putting their hands up. Their acts and views degust most people, but at least they say who they are, and why they did or said it."
Or hooks !! |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Apparently the bomber command memorial has been hit for a second time too
Yes, about 4.30 this morning. Yet it hasn't been picked up on by the media, specially in London.. Now why could that be..??? Hmmmm..... maybe not 'Islamist' graffiti..?? Therefore, not news..??
Or is that just the cynic in me coming out...?"
I wondered why it hadn't been widely reported, I thought it was because the papers were already out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media
oh right. Can I join? :P "
Strangely I probably could because they'd never know I was Canadian  however why would I? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media
Hmm, I suspect that the agenda philosophy and manner of the EDL helps the majority just understand them just fine. Their name in itself is designed to marginalise and separate. By its very nature EDL are an extremist organisation or they'd be part of a mainstream organisation."
If they were part of the mainstream then they would be exactly the same as the others ?.
Surely to have a middle you have to have something each side ?. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media
Hmm, I suspect that the agenda philosophy and manner of the EDL helps the majority just understand them just fine. Their name in itself is designed to marginalise and separate. By its very nature EDL are an extremist organisation or they'd be part of a mainstream organisation.
If they were part of the mainstream then they would be exactly the same as the others ?.
Surely to have a middle you have to have something each side ?."
True, however if your in the middle of an extremist group then you're still an extremist - a bit like being a moderate nazi- sort of a contradiction in terms |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media
Hmm, I suspect that the agenda philosophy and manner of the EDL helps the majority just understand them just fine. Their name in itself is designed to marginalise and separate. By its very nature EDL are an extremist organisation or they'd be part of a mainstream organisation.
If they were part of the mainstream then they would be exactly the same as the others ?.
Surely to have a middle you have to have something each side ?."
Indeed. At which point does sheer weight of numbers means the extreme becomes the middle and the moderate middle becomes the thing on the side? |
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By *tomComMan
over a year ago
Wellingborough |
"Haha people will stop being made to feel guilty for supporting the edl when they stop supporting the edl! "
The EDL do not support England. They just hate other countries more.
If they were supporting England then they would be helping the police of the country, not fighting them. They would be clean the streets not vandalising them. They would be caring for the old and the sick of the country not frightening them!
If you love England then show it! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media
oh right. Can I join? :P "
If you wanted to join you could |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I am not racist in the slightest but what is wrong with being English and proud so if your White black pink brown yellow purple green etc and English then you are English and should be proud seems to me now a days you are made to feel guilty for being proud to be English |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"You just know that something else is going to kick off. This is getting stupid. "
that is actually the only reason why I am glad the judge in the court case the other day decided not to name the soldiers who were found guity of abuse in afghanistan..
it would have been used to highten tensions, and could have had implications of putting those serving overseas in more danger..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am not racist in the slightest but what is wrong with being English and proud so if your White black pink brown yellow purple green etc and English then you are English and should be proud seems to me now a days you are made to feel guilty for being proud to be English "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Apparently the bomber command memorial has been hit for a second time too
Yes, about 4.30 this morning. Yet it hasn't been picked up on by the media, specially in London.. Now why could that be..??? Hmmmm..... maybe not 'Islamist' graffiti..?? Therefore, not news..??
Or is that just the cynic in me coming out...?
I wondered why it hadn't been widely reported, I thought it was because the papers were already out."
Just heard it mentioned on LBC this minute - the RAFBF have covered up whatever has been daubed on the Memorial and won't reveal what it is to the media.
Maybe the RAFBF have the good sense not to stoke the fire.... if so, they are bigger men than the media.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media
oh right. Can I join? :P
If you wanted to join you could "
Ok, you win! You're funnier than I am! |
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By *tomComMan
over a year ago
Wellingborough |
"I am not racist in the slightest but what is wrong with being English and proud so if your White black pink brown yellow purple green etc and English then you are English and should be proud seems to me now a days you are made to feel guilty for being proud to be English "
Proud to be English, but wanting to fight the English police, vandalising English properties? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am not racist in the slightest but what is wrong with being English and proud so if your White black pink brown yellow purple green etc and English then you are English and should be proud seems to me now a days you are made to feel guilty for being proud to be English "
I'm proud to be British. Does that count? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media
Hmm, I suspect that the agenda philosophy and manner of the EDL helps the majority just understand them just fine. Their name in itself is designed to marginalise and separate. By its very nature EDL are an extremist organisation or they'd be part of a mainstream organisation.
If they were part of the mainstream then they would be exactly the same as the others ?.
Surely to have a middle you have to have something each side ?.
Indeed. At which point does sheer weight of numbers means the extreme becomes the middle and the moderate middle becomes the thing on the side?"
I don't know , but surely then the extreme , by virtue of no longer being deemed extreme, become mainstream and the moderates become the extremists !. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"I am not racist in the slightest but what is wrong with being English and proud so if your White black pink brown yellow purple green etc and English then you are English and should be proud seems to me now a days you are made to feel guilty for being proud to be English "
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being proud to be English. I can't claim that but I am enormously proud of being British.
You can't be made to feel guilty for this unless you know that what you are feeling is not pride in your heritage but superior to and disdainful of others. |
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By *tomComMan
over a year ago
Wellingborough |
"You just know that something else is going to kick off. This is getting stupid.
that is actually the only reason why I am glad the judge in the court case the other day decided not to name the soldiers who were found guity of abuse in afghanistan..
it would have been used to highten tensions, and could have had implications of putting those serving overseas in more danger....."
They did not name them, but did name the Muslin Extremists ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Have you noticed in the media anyone a different colour or nationality who does a crime is a Muslim criminal but if it's a White guy or a so called friendly nationality then they are just a criminal you never hear today a Christian committed a murder the media are to blame |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media
Hmm, I suspect that the agenda philosophy and manner of the EDL helps the majority just understand them just fine. Their name in itself is designed to marginalise and separate. By its very nature EDL are an extremist organisation or they'd be part of a mainstream organisation.
If they were part of the mainstream then they would be exactly the same as the others ?.
Surely to have a middle you have to have something each side ?.
Indeed. At which point does sheer weight of numbers means the extreme becomes the middle and the moderate middle becomes the thing on the side?
I don't know , but surely then the extreme , by virtue of no longer being deemed extreme, become mainstream and the moderates become the extremists !. "
So Nazi Germany is a good example of that. I'll stick with the moderates for a bit longer I think. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If we as a nation can't decide that a hate preacher who is a foreign national cannot be deported by our government you are dreaming If you think you will ever irradicate the hate |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media
oh right. Can I join? :P
I'll sign up after you. Oh, wait...! "
my 3.... I have told you the story of the brave BNP canvasser who came knocking on my door and got the fright of their lives..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media "
EDL are by their own agenda extremists. Shame on anyone that supports them and their racist agenda. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media
oh right. Can I join? :P
I'll sign up after you. Oh, wait...!
my 3.... I have told you the story of the brave BNP canvasser who came knocking on my door and got the fright of their lives..... "
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By (user no longer on site)
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I am proud to be English but I hate our police and our government just because you are proud to be English does not mean you have to be blindly proud of everything it contains and stands for sure as he'll I am not proud of Tony Blair leading my country into an illegal war |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"You just know that something else is going to kick off. This is getting stupid.
that is actually the only reason why I am glad the judge in the court case the other day decided not to name the soldiers who were found guity of abuse in afghanistan..
it would have been used to highten tensions, and could have had implications of putting those serving overseas in more danger....."
I had very mixed feelings about that report. Particularly the reference to children. The judge accepted it was not a sexual motive but verbally abusing a boy and suggesting he touch your crotch is just disgusting. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"I am not racist in the slightest but what is wrong with being English and proud so if your White black pink brown yellow purple green etc and English then you are English and should be proud seems to me now a days you are made to feel guilty for being proud to be English "
I am very proud of who I am and where I originate - but not blindly so. Also - the general consensus seems to be that the term 'English' usually refers to white people - sorry if that offends, but that is how the majority of people I speak to feel. Therefore, it is unlikely that anyone who is not white would identify themselves as 'English' rather than 'British'.
I make no judgements about this - it is merely an observation.
I tend to identify myself more as British rather than English and I am whiter than white. My ex also did and actually took the test as part of his British citizenship. However, he also had his other identity as a Kurdish Muslim - it was how he was raised and that could not, nor should not, be taken from him.
He was so proud of becoming British - it really meant a great deal to him to the extent that he let his 'home' passport lapse and kept his British one.
The EDL is mostly associated with right-wing extremism. Now, whether all people who are members are extremists or not - that is the general view. By turning up in Woolwich and causing trouble on the same night that that poor man was murdered sent a very clear message as to what they were about.
If you want to damp down a fire, you don't chuck a can of petrol on it! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media
oh right. Can I join? :P
I'll sign up after you. Oh, wait...!
my 3.... I have told you the story of the brave BNP canvasser who came knocking on my door and got the fright of their lives..... "
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"I am proud to be English but I hate our police and our government just because you are proud to be English does not mean you have to be blindly proud of everything it contains and stands for sure as he'll I am not proud of Tony Blair leading my country into an illegal war "
What are your proud of? What does being proud to be English mean to you? |
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"I am proud to be English but I hate our police and our government just because you are proud to be English does not mean you have to be blindly proud of everything it contains and stands for sure as he'll I am not proud of Tony Blair leading my country into an illegal war "
I am not proud of illegally operating corporations I am not proud of our pedos I am not proud of our foreign policy etc etc the list goes on but I am proud of being English and I am proud of my flag do you understand my point |
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"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media
EDL are by their own agenda extremists. Shame on anyone that supports them and their racist agenda."
Absolutely
Although they often start with the phrase "I'm not racist but!" |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
"I am proud to be English but I hate our police and our government just because you are proud to be English does not mean you have to be blindly proud of everything it contains and stands for sure as he'll I am not proud of Tony Blair leading my country into an illegal war
I am not proud of illegally operating corporations I am not proud of our pedos I am not proud of our foreign policy etc etc the list goes on but I am proud of being English and I am proud of my flag do you understand my point"
For me the flag is just a piece of fabric. It signifies little to me - my belief in myself and my identity go deeper than that. I am always amused by the sights of people burning flags - I just see it as an impotent gesture. Burning books/mosques/synagogues/churches/homes/schools, etc, is far more serious - in my opinion! |
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I am proud of my heritage my history my ancestors I am proud of where I have come from I am proud of my friends my family and what most people within that stand for I am proud of my morals I am proud of my language I am proud of my flag the list goes on but I tell you now I am not racist |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"I am proud to be English but I hate our police and our government just because you are proud to be English does not mean you have to be blindly proud of everything it contains and stands for sure as he'll I am not proud of Tony Blair leading my country into an illegal war
I am not proud of illegally operating corporations I am not proud of our pedos I am not proud of our foreign policy etc etc the list goes on but I am proud of being English and I am proud of my flag do you understand my point"
Nothing wrong with being proud of your nationality. The problem with EDL is they're using that as an excuse to be discriminatory and reactionary. Yes, there are huge problems with foreign policy, but that's a global problem, and using the mantra 'send 'em back where they came from' is just not going to help.
Do some research and realise its been a problem for hundreds of years. I am whiter than white, yet descended from people who were considered illegal immigrants in the 17th century. How far back do we have to go before the EDL and BNP are satisfied that they have a truly British population? |
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"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?
Equally when will people stop being made to feel guilty for supporting EDL both sides are judged by the few extremists on either side as reported by the media
Hmm, I suspect that the agenda philosophy and manner of the EDL helps the majority just understand them just fine. Their name in itself is designed to marginalise and separate. By its very nature EDL are an extremist organisation or they'd be part of a mainstream organisation.
If they were part of the mainstream then they would be exactly the same as the others ?.
Surely to have a middle you have to have something each side ?.
Indeed. At which point does sheer weight of numbers means the extreme becomes the middle and the moderate middle becomes the thing on the side?
I don't know , but surely then the extreme , by virtue of no longer being deemed extreme, become mainstream and the moderates become the extremists !.
So Nazi Germany is a good example of that. I'll stick with the moderates for a bit longer I think."
Exactly. , but the German people let it happen and that is the frightening thing . |
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"Have you noticed in the media anyone a different colour or nationality who does a crime is a Muslim criminal but if it's a White guy or a so called friendly nationality then they are just a criminal you never hear today a Christian committed a murder the media are to blame "
Not sure what newspapers you read or television you watch but I can't recall non-white criminals called 'a Muslim criminal'.
If however a crime is committed in the name of Islam then no matter what colour they are the term may be appropriate. |
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The israeli flag has to star of David on it so it's understandable that burning that would upset some people so the flag things means different things to different people so just because one person has no time for flags doesn't mean someone else doesn't it's a state of identity for some people plus I am def English not British there is no welsh Scottish or Irish in my family |
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"If we as a nation can't decide that a hate preacher who is a foreign national cannot be deported by our government you are dreaming If you think you will ever irradicate the hate "
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"Have you noticed in the media anyone a different colour or nationality who does a crime is a Muslim criminal but if it's a White guy or a so called friendly nationality then they are just a criminal you never hear today a Christian committed a murder the media are to blame
Not sure what newspapers you read or television you watch but I can't recall non-white criminals called 'a Muslim criminal'.If however a crime is committed in the name of Islam then no matter what colour they are the term may be appropriate. "
To me that seems quite racist or prejudice toasted their religion |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
"The israeli flag has to star of David on it so it's understandable that burning that would upset some people so the flag things means different things to different people so just because one person has no time for flags doesn't mean someone else doesn't it's a state of identity for some people plus I am def English not British there is no welsh Scottish or Irish in my family "
I appreciate that - I just do not understand why the burning of a piece of fabric is so offensive. But that is just my take on it. As for your family - trace it back far enough and you may be surprised at what you find! Bear in mind that the 'original' people of these islands were what are now known as the Welsh and Cornish - the rest of us are imports, one way or another. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"I am proud of my heritage my history my ancestors I am proud of where I have come from I am proud of my friends my family and what most people within that stand for I am proud of my morals I am proud of my language I am proud of my flag the list goes on but I tell you now I am not racist"
The same pride is felt all over the world, not just by the English. The very fact we organise ourselves by tribe/country we are born to is human. We fear others, we fear difference - it is part of our programming. However, the thing we all have in common is that we are human. We share much more at that basic level of our programming than we have as differences.
Our behaviour and response is about choices and I am grateful that most people can surmount the differences by using their brains and seeing other people and not just their fears.
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"I am proud to be English but I hate our police and our government just because you are proud to be English does not mean you have to be blindly proud of everything it contains and stands for sure as he'll I am not proud of Tony Blair leading my country into an illegal war
I am not proud of illegally operating corporations I am not proud of our pedos I am not proud of our foreign policy etc etc the list goes on but I am proud of being English and I am proud of my flag do you understand my point
Nothing wrong with being proud of your nationality. The problem with EDL is they're using that as an excuse to be discriminatory and reactionary. Yes, there are huge problems with foreign policy, but that's a global problem, and using the mantra 'send 'em back where they came from' is just not going to help.
Do some research and realise its been a problem for hundreds of years. I am whiter than white, yet descended from people who were considered illegal immigrants in the 17th century. How far back do we have to go before the EDL and BNP are satisfied that they have a truly British population?"
Yup - can trace my ancestors back to Ireland (Catholic) and Russia (Jewish). But, according to some people's classification I present as 'Aryan' (which is actually a bullshit term dreamed up by the 'Master Race'). |
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" trace (your family) back far enough and you may be surprised at what you find! Bear in mind that the 'original' people of these islands were what are now known as the Welsh and Cornish - the rest of us are imports, one way or another. "
Couldn't agree more - and sorry to use editors licence on your comment, DB9.
As for what's happened today, 'if' it is the work of the EDL or anyone claiming to represent it, maybe it shouldn't be only the Muslim community demonstrating behind a banner saying 'Not in my name'... |
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"The israeli flag has to star of David on it so it's understandable that burning that would upset some people so the flag things means different things to different people so just because one person has no time for flags doesn't mean someone else doesn't it's a state of identity for some people plus I am def English not British there is no welsh Scottish or Irish in my family
I appreciate that - I just do not understand why the burning of a piece of fabric is so offensive. But that is just my take on it. As for your family - trace it back far enough and you may be surprised at what you find! Bear in mind that the 'original' people of these islands were what are now known as the Welsh and Cornish - the rest of us are imports, one way or another.
I find you telling me to do research on my ancestors offensive I can and have traced my family back centuries like I say there is no welsh Scottish or Irish in my blood
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"Have you noticed in the media anyone a different colour or nationality who does a crime is a Muslim criminal but if it's a White guy or a so called friendly nationality then they are just a criminal you never hear today a Christian committed a murder the media are to blame
Not sure what newspapers you read or television you watch but I can't recall non-white criminals called 'a Muslim criminal'.If however a crime is committed in the name of Islam then no matter what colour they are the term may be appropriate.
To me that seems quite racist or prejudice toasted their religion "
I'm not sure you understand the argument.
There are criminals who commit crime in the name of their religion and are quite vocal regarding their motive.
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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Yup - can trace my ancestors back to Ireland (Catholic) and Russia (Jewish). But, according to some people's classification I present as 'Aryan' (which is actually a bullshit term dreamed up by the 'Master Race')."
I thought Aryan came from the Sanskrit for noble but was hijacked as a general ethnic term for Indo-European/Eurasians. The master race nonsense came later. So Bangladeshi and Northern Indians would fall under the original classification. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"The israeli flag has to star of David on it so it's understandable that burning that would upset some people so the flag things means different things to different people so just because one person has no time for flags doesn't mean someone else doesn't it's a state of identity for some people plus I am def English not British there is no welsh Scottish or Irish in my family
I appreciate that - I just do not understand why the burning of a piece of fabric is so offensive. But that is just my take on it. As for your family - trace it back far enough and you may be surprised at what you find! Bear in mind that the 'original' people of these islands were what are now known as the Welsh and Cornish - the rest of us are imports, one way or another.
I find you telling me to do research on my ancestors offensive I can and have traced my family back centuries like I say there is no welsh Scottish or Irish in my blood
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No offence was meant. What I actually was intimating was that, if you go back far enough, unless you are totally Welsh, or Cornish, then, at some point, your ancestors came from outside these islands. I was not TELLING you to do research! It was a particular point I was making. I am sorry you missed it. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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Yup - can trace my ancestors back to Ireland (Catholic) and Russia (Jewish). But, according to some people's classification I present as 'Aryan' (which is actually a bullshit term dreamed up by the 'Master Race').
I thought Aryan came from the Sanskrit for noble but was hijacked as a general ethnic term for Indo-European/Eurasians. The master race nonsense came later. So Bangladeshi and Northern Indians would fall under the original classification."
Those pesky Nazis took bits and pieces and pretty much ruined them (swastika, S sigel, Hugo Boss uniforms etc etc). |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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Yup - can trace my ancestors back to Ireland (Catholic) and Russia (Jewish). But, according to some people's classification I present as 'Aryan' (which is actually a bullshit term dreamed up by the 'Master Race').
I thought Aryan came from the Sanskrit for noble but was hijacked as a general ethnic term for Indo-European/Eurasians. The master race nonsense came later. So Bangladeshi and Northern Indians would fall under the original classification."
Yes, it was - just as the swastika came from Sanskrit. What I meant was that the current meaning of the word is a bullshit term - we all know that. There is no such thing as an 'Aryan' race! |
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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago
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"Attacks on centres and people have been significantly increased in the last couple of weeks. Whether it's the EDL or those just wanting to stir up trouble it's not good.
As someone said to me yesterday, when will Muslims have to stop apologising for being Muslims?"
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"The israeli flag has to star of David on it so it's understandable that burning that would upset some people so the flag things means different things to different people so just because one person has no time for flags doesn't mean someone else doesn't it's a state of identity for some people plus I am def English not British there is no welsh Scottish or Irish in my family
I appreciate that - I just do not understand why the burning of a piece of fabric is so offensive. But that is just my take on it. As for your family - trace it back far enough and you may be surprised at what you find! Bear in mind that the 'original' people of these islands were what are now known as the Welsh and Cornish - the rest of us are imports, one way or another.
I find you telling me to do research on my ancestors offensive I can and have traced my family back centuries like I say there is no welsh Scottish or Irish in my blood
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Seeing as the original Britons were what is now Welsh, you'll most likely have French, German, or Scandinavian blood instead.
The last pure blood Britons are the Brythonic Celts in Cornwall and Wales. Everyone afterwards are immigrants. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"The israeli flag has to star of David on it so it's understandable that burning that would upset some people so the flag things means different things to different people so just because one person has no time for flags doesn't mean someone else doesn't it's a state of identity for some people plus I am def English not British there is no welsh Scottish or Irish in my family
I appreciate that - I just do not understand why the burning of a piece of fabric is so offensive. But that is just my take on it. As for your family - trace it back far enough and you may be surprised at what you find! Bear in mind that the 'original' people of these islands were what are now known as the Welsh and Cornish - the rest of us are imports, one way or another.
I find you telling me to do research on my ancestors offensive I can and have traced my family back centuries like I say there is no welsh Scottish or Irish in my blood
Seeing as the original Britons were what is now Welsh, you'll most likely have French, German, or Scandinavian blood instead.
The last pure blood Britons are the Brythonic Celts in Cornwall and Wales. Everyone afterwards are immigrants."
Yup - what I said - only with more detail! Thanks! |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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Yup - can trace my ancestors back to Ireland (Catholic) and Russia (Jewish). But, according to some people's classification I present as 'Aryan' (which is actually a bullshit term dreamed up by the 'Master Race').
I thought Aryan came from the Sanskrit for noble but was hijacked as a general ethnic term for Indo-European/Eurasians. The master race nonsense came later. So Bangladeshi and Northern Indians would fall under the original classification.
Those pesky Nazis took bits and pieces and pretty much ruined them (swastika, S sigel, Hugo Boss uniforms etc etc)."
I know. Hindus and Buddhists use the swastika as it was originally intended. It's why I fight quite hard not to have the Union Flag misappropriated in similar ways. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"The israeli flag has to star of David on it so it's understandable that burning that would upset some people so the flag things means different things to different people so just because one person has no time for flags doesn't mean someone else doesn't it's a state of identity for some people plus I am def English not British there is no welsh Scottish or Irish in my family
I appreciate that - I just do not understand why the burning of a piece of fabric is so offensive. But that is just my take on it. As for your family - trace it back far enough and you may be surprised at what you find! Bear in mind that the 'original' people of these islands were what are now known as the Welsh and Cornish - the rest of us are imports, one way or another.
I find you telling me to do research on my ancestors offensive I can and have traced my family back centuries like I say there is no welsh Scottish or Irish in my blood
Seeing as the original Britons were what is now Welsh, you'll most likely have French, German, or Scandinavian blood instead.
The last pure blood Britons are the Brythonic Celts in Cornwall and Wales. Everyone afterwards are immigrants.
Yup - what I said - only with more detail! Thanks! "
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"I know. Hindus and Buddhists use the swastika as it was originally intended. It's why I fight quite hard not to have the Union Flag misappropriated in similar ways.
And the St George Cross! "
St George who was a Roman soldier born in Palestine!  |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"The israeli flag has to star of David on it so it's understandable that burning that would upset some people so the flag things means different things to different people so just because one person has no time for flags doesn't mean someone else doesn't it's a state of identity for some people plus I am def English not British there is no welsh Scottish or Irish in my family
I appreciate that - I just do not understand why the burning of a piece of fabric is so offensive. But that is just my take on it. As for your family - trace it back far enough and you may be surprised at what you find! Bear in mind that the 'original' people of these islands were what are now known as the Welsh and Cornish - the rest of us are imports, one way or another.
I find you telling me to do research on my ancestors offensive I can and have traced my family back centuries like I say there is no welsh Scottish or Irish in my blood
Seeing as the original Britons were what is now Welsh, you'll most likely have French, German, or Scandinavian blood instead.
The last pure blood Britons are the Brythonic Celts in Cornwall and Wales. Everyone afterwards are immigrants.
Yup - what I said - only with more detail! Thanks!
He didn't seem to get it first time round so I tried again. "
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over a year ago
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"I know. Hindus and Buddhists use the swastika as it was originally intended. It's why I fight quite hard not to have the Union Flag misappropriated in similar ways.
And the St George Cross!
St George who was a Roman soldier born in Palestine! "
Yes I know, but its still our flag, as well as several other countries.
Anyway he killed a dragon, so must be cool. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"I know. Hindus and Buddhists use the swastika as it was originally intended. It's why I fight quite hard not to have the Union Flag misappropriated in similar ways.
And the St George Cross!
St George who was a Roman soldier born in Palestine!
Yes I know, but its still our flag, as well as several other countries.
Anyway he killed a dragon, so must be cool."
Allegedly! I think it was media hype, personally. |
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But surely unless someone is a devout creationist we all must accept a shared ancestry that goes all the way back to that big o’l melting pot filled with primordial soup….!.
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"But surely unless someone is a devout creationist we all must accept a shared ancestry that goes all the way back to that big o’l melting pot filled with primordial soup….!.
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"But surely unless someone is a devout creationist we all must accept a shared ancestry that goes all the way back to that big o’l melting pot filled with primordial soup….!.
But there are certain single cell organisms that will always be better than other single cell organisms. "
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"But surely unless someone is a devout creationist we all must accept a shared ancestry that goes all the way back to that big o’l melting pot filled with primordial soup….!.
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Oh no , I am from a Consommé . |
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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago
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The unfortunate truth is that there always be those (muslims, christians, hindus, jews, buddhists, black, white, asian etc etc etc) who will spread hate, stir up trouble & thrive in bullying & harrasing one particular race, religion, gender etc etc.
The bit i fail to understand is
1. how these few individuals manage to influence so many with thier hateful ideas and
2. why when so many of us are sick of the lot of them we can't get anything done about them
It's an unfortunate state of affairs globally but what's really annoying is not seeing an end in sight |
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Excuse me for lowering the tone a little. but it is sort of fitting as I think the EDL are a bunch of fuckwits. There was a massive group of them in my pub the other day before a march and they were all drinking polish lager if that's not the definition of irony I don't know what is |
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"The unfortunate truth is that there always be those (muslims, christians, hindus, jews, buddhists, black, white, asian etc etc etc) who will spread hate, stir up trouble & thrive in bullying & harrasing one particular race, religion, gender etc etc.
The bit i fail to understand is
1. how these few individuals manage to influence so many with thier hateful ideas and
2. why when so many of us are sick of the lot of them we can't get anything done about them
It's an unfortunate state of affairs globally but what's really annoying is not seeing an end in sight "
Every one is so PC these days they are frightened of tackleing real issues and they get ignored and become dangerous .
I.e. the Asian grooming gang . |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"The unfortunate truth is that there always be those (muslims, christians, hindus, jews, buddhists, black, white, asian etc etc etc) who will spread hate, stir up trouble & thrive in bullying & harrasing one particular race, religion, gender etc etc.
The bit i fail to understand is
1. how these few individuals manage to influence so many with thier hateful ideas and
2. why when so many of us are sick of the lot of them we can't get anything done about them
It's an unfortunate state of affairs globally but what's really annoying is not seeing an end in sight
Every one is so PC these days they are frightened of tackleing real issues and they get ignored and become dangerous .
I.e. the Asian grooming gang ."
A fair point which was actually tackled in a piece recently researched by the Guardian. Here is a snippet:
"A 2011 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre looked at the 2,379 potential offenders caught grooming girls since 2008. Of 940 suspects whose race could be identified, 26% were Asian, 38% were white and 32% were recorded as unknown. Asians are roughly 7% of the population.
A report for the children's commissioner in 2012 found there were 1,514 perpetrators. Of these, 545 were white, 415 were Asian and 244 were black. The ethnicity of 21% of perpetrators was not recorded. Attempts to analyse the Asian figure further runs into problems. Just 35 of the 415 Asians are recorded as having Pakistani heritage and thus highly likely to be Muslim, and only five are recorded as being from a Bangladeshi background. The heritage of 366 of the Asian group is not stated in those figures.
However, the view in different parts of law enforcement is that it is wrong to take these figures and cases and say the race or religion of the perpetrator leads to them committing these crimes.
A more credible link, says one senior source involved in bringing the criminals to justice, are their occupations. Speaking on condition of anonymity, the source said the demography of certain areas and the makeup of the night-time economy explained the over-representation of Asian offenders."
However, this thread is not about that issue so that is the last post I will make on grooming. |
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"The unfortunate truth is that there always be those (muslims, christians, hindus, jews, buddhists, black, white, asian etc etc etc) who will spread hate, stir up trouble & thrive in bullying & harrasing one particular race, religion, gender etc etc.
The bit i fail to understand is
1. how these few individuals manage to influence so many with thier hateful ideas and
2. why when so many of us are sick of the lot of them we can't get anything done about them
It's an unfortunate state of affairs globally but what's really annoying is not seeing an end in sight
Every one is so PC these days they are frightened of tackleing real issues and they get ignored and become dangerous .
I.e. the Asian grooming gang ."
And the white middle class paedohiles and the white English sex tourists. Asia is a continent with almost 4billion people. At no point do we see a crime and label it as a white persons thing. It's not a pc thing at all. It's about people being criminals irregardless of race or country of origin. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Every one is so PC these days they are frightened of tackleing real issues and they get ignored and become dangerous .
I.e. the Asian grooming gang ."
"Political correctness gone mad!" is how people announce to the world that they have no real problems but don't appreciate the fact |
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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago
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"The unfortunate truth is that there always be those (muslims, christians, hindus, jews, buddhists, black, white, asian etc etc etc) who will spread hate, stir up trouble & thrive in bullying & harrasing one particular race, religion, gender etc etc.
The bit i fail to understand is
1. how these few individuals manage to influence so many with thier hateful ideas and
2. why when so many of us are sick of the lot of them we can't get anything done about them
It's an unfortunate state of affairs globally but what's really annoying is not seeing an end in sight
Every one is so PC these days they are frightened of tackleing real issues and they get ignored and become dangerous .
I.e. the Asian grooming gang ."
I generally don't let these forums and posts get to me as everyone has their own opinion and whether they're right or wrong, whether i agree with them or not everyone's entitled to it but having read your post i have to ask, with the greatest of respect to you both......
WTF are you going on about? & where's your post come from 
Asian grooming gang? like non-asians have never been convicted of grooming young kids? This type of comment & specific pointing at a certain group is exactly the argument that the EDL use to stir up crap between peaceful communities.
If you really wish to point at a specific group of people who are associated to a particular crime i'd suggest you do some more research and read into all the statistics associated to that crime before you make such a comment rather than follow the sun newspaper.
Take grooming for example, why not find out how many asians have been convicted of the offence & then look at how many non-asians are convicted and see if it is as bad as your local tabloid makes out to be |
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"Every one is so PC these days they are frightened of tackleing real issues and they get ignored and become dangerous .
I.e. the Asian grooming gang .
"Political correctness gone mad!" is how people announce to the world that they have no real problems but don't appreciate the fact "
Eh ?. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
"The unfortunate truth is that there always be those (muslims, christians, hindus, jews, buddhists, black, white, asian etc etc etc) who will spread hate, stir up trouble & thrive in bullying & harrasing one particular race, religion, gender etc etc.
The bit i fail to understand is
1. how these few individuals manage to influence so many with thier hateful ideas and
2. why when so many of us are sick of the lot of them we can't get anything done about them
It's an unfortunate state of affairs globally but what's really annoying is not seeing an end in sight
Every one is so PC these days they are frightened of tackleing real issues and they get ignored and become dangerous .
I.e. the Asian grooming gang .
I generally don't let these forums and posts get to me as everyone has their own opinion and whether they're right or wrong, whether i agree with them or not everyone's entitled to it but having read your post i have to ask, with the greatest of respect to you both......
WTF are you going on about? & where's your post come from
Asian grooming gang? like non-asians have never been convicted of grooming young kids? This type of comment & specific pointing at a certain group is exactly the argument that the EDL use to stir up crap between peaceful communities.
If you really wish to point at a specific group of people who are associated to a particular crime i'd suggest you do some more research and read into all the statistics associated to that crime before you make such a comment rather than follow the sun newspaper.
Take grooming for example, why not find out how many asians have been convicted of the offence & then look at how many non-asians are convicted and see if it is as bad as your local tabloid makes out to be"
I've just posted some statistics and the current comments by people in the know - it's not simply just statistics though - it is far more complex if you read that Guardian article. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The unfortunate truth is that there always be those (muslims, christians, hindus, jews, buddhists, black, white, asian etc etc etc) who will spread hate, stir up trouble & thrive in bullying & harrasing one particular race, religion, gender etc etc.
The bit i fail to understand is
1. how these few individuals manage to influence so many with thier hateful ideas and
2. why when so many of us are sick of the lot of them we can't get anything done about them
It's an unfortunate state of affairs globally but what's really annoying is not seeing an end in sight
Every one is so PC these days they are frightened of tackleing real issues and they get ignored and become dangerous .
I.e. the Asian grooming gang .
I generally don't let these forums and posts get to me as everyone has their own opinion and whether they're right or wrong, whether i agree with them or not everyone's entitled to it but having read your post i have to ask, with the greatest of respect to you both......
WTF are you going on about? & where's your post come from
Asian grooming gang? like non-asians have never been convicted of grooming young kids? This type of comment & specific pointing at a certain group is exactly the argument that the EDL use to stir up crap between peaceful communities.
If you really wish to point at a specific group of people who are associated to a particular crime i'd suggest you do some more research and read into all the statistics associated to that crime before you make such a comment rather than follow the sun newspaper.
Take grooming for example, why not find out how many asians have been convicted of the offence & then look at how many non-asians are convicted and see if it is as bad as your local tabloid makes out to be"
I understand , but was not there , that the social workers and police were aware of what was going on but did, or could not interviene until it was too late .
A crime is a crime whoever commits it and if some do not understand that young women are not worthless then they need educating . |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Excuse me for lowering the tone a little. but it is sort of fitting as I think the EDL are a bunch of fuckwits. There was a massive group of them in my pub the other day before a march and they were all drinking polish lager if that's not the definition of irony I don't know what is "
well in newcastle this year, one of their staging posts was an "irish" pub... which was ironic since the year before when they last has a demo up here, one of their main "targets" was another irish pub about 50yds up the road, to the point where the pub had to lock people in........
they wouldn't know irony if you have to flash it in big neon lights in front of them.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Excuse me for lowering the tone a little. but it is sort of fitting as I think the EDL are a bunch of fuckwits. There was a massive group of them in my pub the other day before a march and they were all drinking polish lager if that's not the definition of irony I don't know what is
well in newcastle this year, one of their staging posts was an "irish" pub... which was ironic since the year before when they last has a demo up here, one of their main "targets" was another irish pub about 50yds up the road, to the point where the pub had to lock people in........
they wouldn't know irony if you have to flash it in big neon lights in front of them...."
Especially as one of their slogans is "no surrender" which is often a reference to anti Irish sentiments (or at least republicans) |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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Especially as one of their slogans is "no surrender" which is often a reference to anti Irish sentiments (or at least republicans)"
that was the exact song they were singing....... but heck... pick the target that is most convinient at the time..... |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
"Excuse me for lowering the tone a little. but it is sort of fitting as I think the EDL are a bunch of fuckwits. There was a massive group of them in my pub the other day before a march and they were all drinking polish lager if that's not the definition of irony I don't know what is
well in newcastle this year, one of their staging posts was an "irish" pub... which was ironic since the year before when they last has a demo up here, one of their main "targets" was another irish pub about 50yds up the road, to the point where the pub had to lock people in........
they wouldn't know irony if you have to flash it in big neon lights in front of them...."
Irony? Isn't that what you use on shirtys? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
Meanwhile, in Edinburgh ..........
"A RACE row has broken out after almost a third of the children due to take part in a school field trip to a city mosque were pulled out by their parents.
Children from Newtongrange Primary visited the Central Mosque in Potterrow, but from an original group of 90 pupils, 28 were withdrawn.
The trip had been organised to help educate the primary one, two and five pupils about other religions and cultures.
But one parent today said they didn’t want their child “mixed up in the hate being preached in mosques”."
http://www.scotsman.com/news/pupils-withdrawn-from-trip-to-edinburgh-mosque-1-2954768
Not much of an example to set kids, is it?
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
"Meanwhile, in Edinburgh ..........
"A RACE row has broken out after almost a third of the children due to take part in a school field trip to a city mosque were pulled out by their parents.
Children from Newtongrange Primary visited the Central Mosque in Potterrow, but from an original group of 90 pupils, 28 were withdrawn.
The trip had been organised to help educate the primary one, two and five pupils about other religions and cultures.
But one parent today said they didn’t want their child “mixed up in the hate being preached in mosques”."
http://www.scotsman.com/news/pupils-withdrawn-from-trip-to-edinburgh-mosque-1-2954768
Not much of an example to set kids, is it?
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Pure ignorance. I've been in a number of mosques - I was actually married in one. Can't say anyone tried to convert me, let alone preached hate at me. They were, in fact, really nice and welcoming. The Imam who married us looked like Father Christmas! He was all round and jolly and had a big white beard - I kid you not! This was in a Turkish mosque in Hanover, Germany. |
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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago
Retirement Village |
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I've just posted some statistics and the current comments by people in the know - it's not simply just statistics though - it is far more complex if you read that Guardian article."
*deep breaths*
Had a minute to collect my thoughts. Thank you for your post it does make interesting reading seeing them posted as you have done so. The so called pandemic of "Asian Groomers" isn't really there as some tabloids and individuals made it out to be. You are right though it is more complicated to understand than just a simple statistical assessment.
I just hope people actually read and understand this before making such flippant comments similar to those in certain right wing groups |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
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I've just posted some statistics and the current comments by people in the know - it's not simply just statistics though - it is far more complex if you read that Guardian article.
*deep breaths*
Had a minute to collect my thoughts. Thank you for your post it does make interesting reading seeing them posted as you have done so. The so called pandemic of "Asian Groomers" isn't really there as some tabloids and individuals made it out to be. You are right though it is more complicated to understand than just a simple statistical assessment.
I just hope people actually read and understand this before making such flippant comments similar to those in certain right wing groups "
Exactly - statistics can show some important patterns certainly but should be considered within the wider cultural context of a particular area. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Meanwhile, in Edinburgh ..........
"A RACE row has broken out after almost a third of the children due to take part in a school field trip to a city mosque were pulled out by their parents.
Children from Newtongrange Primary visited the Central Mosque in Potterrow, but from an original group of 90 pupils, 28 were withdrawn.
The trip had been organised to help educate the primary one, two and five pupils about other religions and cultures.
But one parent today said they didn’t want their child “mixed up in the hate being preached in mosques”."
http://www.scotsman.com/news/pupils-withdrawn-from-trip-to-edinburgh-mosque-1-2954768
Not much of an example to set kids, is it?
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Islamic architecture and decoration is awesome. They missed out big time. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
"Meanwhile, in Edinburgh ..........
"A RACE row has broken out after almost a third of the children due to take part in a school field trip to a city mosque were pulled out by their parents.
Children from Newtongrange Primary visited the Central Mosque in Potterrow, but from an original group of 90 pupils, 28 were withdrawn.
The trip had been organised to help educate the primary one, two and five pupils about other religions and cultures.
But one parent today said they didn’t want their child “mixed up in the hate being preached in mosques”."
http://www.scotsman.com/news/pupils-withdrawn-from-trip-to-edinburgh-mosque-1-2954768
Not much of an example to set kids, is it?
Islamic architecture and decoration is awesome. They missed out big time."
Ever visited the Alhambra? It's amazing. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum |
"Meanwhile, in Edinburgh ..........
"A RACE row has broken out after almost a third of the children due to take part in a school field trip to a city mosque were pulled out by their parents.
Children from Newtongrange Primary visited the Central Mosque in Potterrow, but from an original group of 90 pupils, 28 were withdrawn.
The trip had been organised to help educate the primary one, two and five pupils about other religions and cultures.
But one parent today said they didn’t want their child “mixed up in the hate being preached in mosques”."
http://www.scotsman.com/news/pupils-withdrawn-from-trip-to-edinburgh-mosque-1-2954768
Not much of an example to set kids, is it?
Islamic architecture and decoration is awesome. They missed out big time.
Ever visited the Alhambra? It's amazing."
I've not managed to get to Granada yet but went to Cordoba last year. The mosque there is lovely. And am planning a visit to Marrakech over Xmas. I just love Arabic culture and religion. (I know - race traitor!  ) |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
"Meanwhile, in Edinburgh ..........
"A RACE row has broken out after almost a third of the children due to take part in a school field trip to a city mosque were pulled out by their parents.
Children from Newtongrange Primary visited the Central Mosque in Potterrow, but from an original group of 90 pupils, 28 were withdrawn.
The trip had been organised to help educate the primary one, two and five pupils about other religions and cultures.
But one parent today said they didn’t want their child “mixed up in the hate being preached in mosques”."
http://www.scotsman.com/news/pupils-withdrawn-from-trip-to-edinburgh-mosque-1-2954768
Not much of an example to set kids, is it?
Islamic architecture and decoration is awesome. They missed out big time.
Ever visited the Alhambra? It's amazing.
I've not managed to get to Granada yet but went to Cordoba last year. The mosque there is lovely. And am planning a visit to Marrakech over Xmas. I just love Arabic culture and religion. (I know - race traitor! )"
I did a driving tour of Andalucia a few summers ago - bloody hot. I only saw the outside of the Mesquita in Cordoba because, as it was Sunday and there was Mass being held (it's now a Catholic church), tourists were not allowed in. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum |
"Meanwhile, in Edinburgh ..........
"A RACE row has broken out after almost a third of the children due to take part in a school field trip to a city mosque were pulled out by their parents.
Children from Newtongrange Primary visited the Central Mosque in Potterrow, but from an original group of 90 pupils, 28 were withdrawn.
The trip had been organised to help educate the primary one, two and five pupils about other religions and cultures.
But one parent today said they didn’t want their child “mixed up in the hate being preached in mosques”."
http://www.scotsman.com/news/pupils-withdrawn-from-trip-to-edinburgh-mosque-1-2954768
Not much of an example to set kids, is it?
Islamic architecture and decoration is awesome. They missed out big time.
Ever visited the Alhambra? It's amazing.
I've not managed to get to Granada yet but went to Cordoba last year. The mosque there is lovely. And am planning a visit to Marrakech over Xmas. I just love Arabic culture and religion. (I know - race traitor! )
I did a driving tour of Andalucia a few summers ago - bloody hot. I only saw the outside of the Mesquita in Cordoba because, as it was Sunday and there was Mass being held (it's now a Catholic church), tourists were not allowed in."
The Catholic Church actually spoils the rest of it. |
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"Meanwhile, in Edinburgh ..........
"A RACE row has broken out after almost a third of the children due to take part in a school field trip to a city mosque were pulled out by their parents.
Children from Newtongrange Primary visited the Central Mosque in Potterrow, but from an original group of 90 pupils, 28 were withdrawn.
The trip had been organised to help educate the primary one, two and five pupils about other religions and cultures.
But one parent today said they didn’t want their child “mixed up in the hate being preached in mosques”."
http://www.scotsman.com/news/pupils-withdrawn-from-trip-to-edinburgh-mosque-1-2954768
Not much of an example to set kids, is it?
Islamic architecture and decoration is awesome. They missed out big time.
Ever visited the Alhambra? It's amazing.
I've not managed to get to Granada yet but went to Cordoba last year. The mosque there is lovely. And am planning a visit to Marrakech over Xmas. I just love Arabic culture and religion. (I know - race traitor! )"
Marrakech is lovely, but as non-Muslims we weren't allowed into the Koutobia mosque. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
"Meanwhile, in Edinburgh ..........
"A RACE row has broken out after almost a third of the children due to take part in a school field trip to a city mosque were pulled out by their parents.
Children from Newtongrange Primary visited the Central Mosque in Potterrow, but from an original group of 90 pupils, 28 were withdrawn.
The trip had been organised to help educate the primary one, two and five pupils about other religions and cultures.
But one parent today said they didn’t want their child “mixed up in the hate being preached in mosques”."
http://www.scotsman.com/news/pupils-withdrawn-from-trip-to-edinburgh-mosque-1-2954768
Not much of an example to set kids, is it?
Islamic architecture and decoration is awesome. They missed out big time.
Ever visited the Alhambra? It's amazing.
I've not managed to get to Granada yet but went to Cordoba last year. The mosque there is lovely. And am planning a visit to Marrakech over Xmas. I just love Arabic culture and religion. (I know - race traitor! )
Marrakech is lovely, but as non-Muslims we weren't allowed into the Koutobia mosque."
Never been to Marrakech - would love to go.
Yes - I think it depends from mosque to mosque. I have been allowed in a few even as a known non-believer.
The mosque I saw in Singapore was really lovely but we had to wash our feet, etc, beforehand. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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One day we will be able to live in a world where we aren't in fear of being attacked for our religion, gender, sexuality or job.
This is getting bloody ridiculous - skin us and we are all the same.
Ruby |
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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago
Retirement Village |
 OMG!!
You guys went into mosques (or terror centres as more commonly known) and they try to convert or kill you!!!
I'd never have thought anyone could survive going into such places. Next you'll be saying the naughty dangerous muslims were friendly and nice to non-muslims
(Yes i suck at sarcasm) |
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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago
Retirement Village |
"One day we will be able to live in a world where we aren't in fear of being attacked for our religion, gender, sexuality or job.
This is getting bloody ridiculous - skin us and we are all the same.
Ruby"
this deserves 2 thumbs up |
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OMG!!
You guys went into mosques (or terror centres as more commonly known) and they try to convert or kill you!!!
I'd never have thought anyone could survive going into such places. Next you'll be saying the naughty dangerous muslims were friendly and nice to non-muslims
(Yes i suck at sarcasm) "
I know!!! I was so shocked!!! |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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OMG!!
You guys went into mosques (or terror centres as more commonly known) and they try to convert or kill you!!!
I'd never have thought anyone could survive going into such places. Next you'll be saying the naughty dangerous muslims were friendly and nice to non-muslims
(Yes i suck at sarcasm) "
They tried to sell me a programme. Does that count? |
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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago
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OMG!!
You guys went into mosques (or terror centres as more commonly known) and they didn't try to convert or kill you!!!
I'd never have thought anyone could survive going into such places. Next you'll be saying the naughty dangerous muslims were friendly and nice to non-muslims
(Yes i suck at sarcasm)
They tried to sell me a programme. Does that count?"
A programme!! That could count as a training manual!! Think big brother may come and take you to Cuba |
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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago
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OMG!!
You guys went into mosques (or terror centres as more commonly known) and they didn't try to convert or kill you!!!
I'd never have thought anyone could survive going into such places. Next you'll be saying the naughty dangerous muslims were friendly and nice to non-muslims
(Yes i suck at sarcasm)
I know!!! I was so shocked!!! "
Run and hide is all i can say, they may be tracking you from their "secret" mountain cave hideouts |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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We've had similar things at a local school where parents have asked for their Muslim children, or their Christian children not to go to the Church or Mosque. The head teacher has been great and spoken to all of those parents and set out what the visits achieve. All of the major religious festivals are noted and the best bit is seeing children of all ethnicities and creeds playing together. |
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