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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I know i am going to be torn a new arsewhole on this but heres my views: coming from an agricultural back ground i feel it is a necessity anything that can be done to slow the tb epidemic down is a big thumbs up and it has helped a lot or a little nobody seems to be 100% on it in Ireland. Deer populations are culled year in year out to protect out woodland and forests so why cant we cull badgers to protect our bovine population.
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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Tbh I am not sure I really have all the information required to have a balanced view on this. There is a lot of polemic debate on this topic but that is not helpful I think. I guess I can understand people from a farming background are likely to have a different view than those who feel the need to protect (any) animal. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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The debate on here about this has been fairly reasonable.
The claim is that you have to kill 70% of badgers to get a 16% reduction in Bovine TB in herds. That doesn't sound very proportionate.
I have a some ambivalence about this. It's not a black and white issue.
I did find it funny that the march yesterday were chanting "save the badger but not the EDL" (or words to that effect). |
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By *am123Man
over a year ago
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"Years ago we used to see a lot of Badgers..
But i Cant remember the last time i even seen a badger.. and only ever see a few roadkill..  "
thats a good point where are all these badgers that need killing, its only in certain counties at the mo isn't it the culling |
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"The debate on here about this has been fairly reasonable.
The claim is that you have to kill 70% of badgers to get a 16% reduction in Bovine TB in herds. That doesn't sound very proportionate.
I have a some ambivalence about this. It's not a black and white issue.
I did find it funny that the march yesterday were chanting "save the badger but not the EDL" (or words to that effect)."
Lickety..Badgers are black and white! |
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bovine tb is a problem but we should be more worried about the re introduction of tb in humans in the UK that's going to become a bigger and bigger problem - this is another exanple of the powers that be diverting our attention from more important matters - Z |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I live in the suburbs of coventry and see the regularly but i do live next to a wood. I feel there is a need for a cull and they have no natural predator just like foxes and deer this is a human problem as we wiped out all the predators so it is our duty to keep the animal populations under control |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know i am going to be torn a new arsewhole on this but heres my views: coming from an agricultural back ground i feel it is a necessity anything that can be done to slow the tb epidemic down is a big thumbs up and it has helped a lot or a little nobody seems to be 100% on it in Ireland. Deer populations are culled year in year out to protect out woodland and forests so why cant we cull badgers to protect our bovine population.
I especy a lot of abuse for this post but fire away "
The government had the option years ago to introduce an jab to stop this for all cattle and did nothing!
I blame the government here as its always about money
I don't agree with cull as I'm into animal rights I know farmers have a right to protect their livestock but an injection to protect their cattle when introduced would have prevented this |
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"I live in the suburbs of coventry and see the regularly but i do live next to a wood. I feel there is a need for a cull and they have no natural predator just like foxes and deer this is a human problem as we wiped out all the predators so it is our duty to keep the animal populations under control "
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"The debate on here about this has been fairly reasonable.
The claim is that you have to kill 70% of badgers to get a 16% reduction in Bovine TB in herds. That doesn't sound very proportionate.
I have a some ambivalence about this. It's not a black and white issue.
I did find it funny that the march yesterday were chanting "save the badger but not the EDL" (or words to that effect).
Lickety..Badgers are black and white! "
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"Is this not a bit like the fox hunting debate...should you should'nt you...I was brought up in a very pro fox hunting family and I understand why they do it or did it!!"
This is noting like the fox hunting debate - hunts went out to get pissed, have a good old ride and very very ocassionaly the hounds would get a sniff of a fox which would usually be able to out fox them! the badger cull is a daft diversion and uncalled for. Z |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I know i am going to be torn a new arsewhole on this but heres my views: coming from an agricultural back ground i feel it is a necessity anything that can be done to slow the tb epidemic down is a big thumbs up and it has helped a lot or a little nobody seems to be 100% on it in Ireland. Deer populations are culled year in year out to protect out woodland and forests so why cant we cull badgers to protect our bovine population.
I especy a lot of abuse for this post but fire away
The government had the option years ago to introduce an jab to stop this for all cattle and did nothing!
I blame the government here as its always about money
I don't agree with cull as I'm into animal rights I know farmers have a right to protect their livestock but an injection to protect their cattle when introduced would have prevented this "
So all farmers who are already struggling to make ends meet must inject there herd at a huge cost? Food prices will rise and the public will not like it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know i am going to be torn a new arsewhole on this but heres my views: coming from an agricultural back ground i feel it is a necessity anything that can be done to slow the tb epidemic down is a big thumbs up and it has helped a lot or a little nobody seems to be 100% on it in Ireland. Deer populations are culled year in year out to protect out woodland and forests so why cant we cull badgers to protect our bovine population.
I especy a lot of abuse for this post but fire away
The government had the option years ago to introduce an jab to stop this for all cattle and did nothing!
I blame the government here as its always about money
I don't agree with cull as I'm into animal rights I know farmers have a right to protect their livestock but an injection to protect their cattle when introduced would have prevented this "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Even if you managed to wipe out an entire population of badgers in a specific area.
Would other badgers not just move in to that area, as it has no competition for its food.
Unless the master plan is to wipe them out completely.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I live in the suburbs of coventry and see the regularly but i do live next to a wood. I feel there is a need for a cull and they have no natural predator just like foxes and deer this is a human problem as we wiped out all the predators so it is our duty to keep the animal populations under control
Why?"
Our country will be over run with deer rabits foxes and badgers Disease and in breading will get to epidemic proportions and more human contact will only lead to bad things |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Even if you managed to wipe out an entire population of badgers in a specific area.
Would other badgers not just move in to that area, as it has no competition for its food.
Unless the master plan is to wipe them out completely. "
It's a funny way to deal with a protected species. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Even if you managed to wipe out an entire population of badgers in a specific area.
Would other badgers not just move in to that area, as it has no competition for its food.
Unless the master plan is to wipe them out completely.
It's a funny way to deal with a protected species."
They have been off the Endangered Species list for a couple of years now so no longer hold the title of endangered species altho it is illegal to kill them out side of the test areas still |
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"I live in the suburbs of coventry and see the regularly but i do live next to a wood. I feel there is a need for a cull and they have no natural predator just like foxes and deer this is a human problem as we wiped out all the predators so it is our duty to keep the animal populations under control
Why?
Our country will be over run with deer rabits foxes and badgers Disease and in breading will get to epidemic proportions and more human contact will only lead to bad things "
Bad things? i have to point out that for a good few million years the world managed just fine without human intervention - we just cock everything up - we have been the cause of so much destruction yet some amongst us still think we're in charge of the planet - the animals,plants and insects would do just great without us - they self regulate which is something that us really clever things just find impossible! Z |
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"Even if you managed to wipe out an entire population of badgers in a specific area.
Would other badgers not just move in to that area, as it has no competition for its food.
Unless the master plan is to wipe them out completely.
It's a funny way to deal with a protected species."
I don't expect there'll be many laughing though. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Even if you managed to wipe out an entire population of badgers in a specific area.
Would other badgers not just move in to that area, as it has no competition for its food.
Unless the master plan is to wipe them out completely.
It's a funny way to deal with a protected species.
They have been off the Endangered Species list for a couple of years now so no longer hold the title of endangered species altho it is illegal to kill them out side of the test areas still "
I didn't say that they are an endangered species. There are some in the country that are definitely endangered now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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From what I understand, the balance of th scientific debate has come out neutral to slightly against the badger cull ... that sort of leads me to think it is a pointless and cruel waste of time. If the evidence and modelling had been in favour, fair enough, but it isn't. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"From what I understand, the balance of th scientific debate has come out neutral to slightly against the badger cull ... that sort of leads me to think it is a pointless and cruel waste of time. If the evidence and modelling had been in favour, fair enough, but it isn't."
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Great debate guys good points of view from both sides im off to bed up early for work tomorrow my views will never change our ancestors sore animals and nothing but entertainment and we have been left with the mess witch we need to now control to keep our wildlife healthy and our stock animals healthy |
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"Great debate guys good points of view from both sides im off to bed up early for work tomorrow my views will never change our ancestors sore animals and nothing but entertainment and we have been left with the mess witch we need to now control to keep our wildlife healthy and our stock animals healthy "
our ancestors had it right - modern man has cocked up the balance - Z |
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"I live in the suburbs of coventry and see the regularly but i do live next to a wood. I feel there is a need for a cull and they have no natural predator just like foxes and deer this is a human problem as we wiped out all the predators so it is our duty to keep the animal populations under control
Why?
Our country will be over run with deer rabits foxes and badgers Disease and in breading will get to epidemic proportions and more human contact will only lead to bad things
Bad things? i have to point out that for a good few million years the world managed just fine without human intervention - we just cock everything up - we have been the cause of so much destruction yet some amongst us still think we're in charge of the planet - the animals,plants and insects would do just great without us - they self regulate which is something that us really clever things just find impossible! Z"
Do great without us?..they kill each other!...self regulate kill each other? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Great debate guys good points of view from both sides im off to bed up early for work tomorrow my views will never change our ancestors sore animals and nothing but entertainment and we have been left with the mess witch we need to now control to keep our wildlife healthy and our stock animals healthy
our ancestors had it right - modern man has cocked up the balance - Z"
Really they wiped out entire species in a matter of years for fun and did not care im talking about 100-200 years ago |
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"I live in the suburbs of coventry and see the regularly but i do live next to a wood. I feel there is a need for a cull and they have no natural predator just like foxes and deer this is a human problem as we wiped out all the predators so it is our duty to keep the animal populations under control
Why?
Our country will be over run with deer rabits foxes and badgers Disease and in breading will get to epidemic proportions and more human contact will only lead to bad things
Bad things? i have to point out that for a good few million years the world managed just fine without human intervention - we just cock everything up - we have been the cause of so much destruction yet some amongst us still think we're in charge of the planet - the animals,plants and insects would do just great without us - they self regulate which is something that us really clever things just find impossible! Z
Do great without us?..they kill each other!...self regulate kill each other?"
oh my goodness - yes - they kill each other and prey on other species to eat - that is nature and that is how they regulate the numbers! do you think they can go to the supermarket for their food? Z |
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"Great debate guys good points of view from both sides im off to bed up early for work tomorrow my views will never change our ancestors sore animals and nothing but entertainment and we have been left with the mess witch we need to now control to keep our wildlife healthy and our stock animals healthy "
The only 'sore' animals will be the poor old badger.
I once had to see off some lampers that were disturbing the badger sett that was outside my apartment. |
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"Great debate guys good points of view from both sides im off to bed up early for work tomorrow my views will never change our ancestors sore animals and nothing but entertainment and we have been left with the mess witch we need to now control to keep our wildlife healthy and our stock animals healthy
Thats 'modern man. who hunted species to extinction -I'm talking about ancestors ie. many many years ago - they realised that they had to work with the wildlife to make sure they had food on an ongoing basis Z
our ancestors had it right - modern man has cocked up the balance - Z
Really they wiped out entire species in a matter of years for fun and did not care im talking about 100-200 years ago"
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By *wencatWoman
over a year ago
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"I know i am going to be torn a new arsewhole on this but heres my views: coming from an agricultural back ground i feel it is a necessity anything that can be done to slow the tb epidemic down is a big thumbs up and it has helped a lot or a little nobody seems to be 100% on it in Ireland. Deer populations are culled year in year out to protect out woodland and forests so why cant we cull badgers to protect our bovine population.
I especy a lot of abuse for this post but fire away
The government had the option years ago to introduce an jab to stop this for all cattle and did nothing!
I blame the government here as its always about money
I don't agree with cull as I'm into animal rights I know farmers have a right to protect their livestock but an injection to protect their cattle when introduced would have prevented this "
I can think few people I would like to cull but dont agree with the badger cull at all it could all been sorted a long time ago with a jab typical uk government again . |
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"Great debate guys good points of view from both sides im off to bed up early for work tomorrow my views will never change our ancestors sore animals and nothing but entertainment and we have been left with the mess witch we need to now control to keep our wildlife healthy and our stock animals healthy
Thats 'modern man. who hunted species to extinction -I'm talking about ancestors ie. many many years ago - they realised that they had to work with the wildlife to make sure they had food on an ongoing basis Z
our ancestors had it right - modern man has cocked up the balance - Z
Really they wiped out entire species in a matter of years for fun and did not care im talking about 100-200 years ago"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know i am going to be torn a new arsewhole on this but heres my views: coming from an agricultural back ground i feel it is a necessity anything that can be done to slow the tb epidemic down is a big thumbs up and it has helped a lot or a little nobody seems to be 100% on it in Ireland. Deer populations are culled year in year out to protect out woodland and forests so why cant we cull badgers to protect our bovine population.
I especy a lot of abuse for this post but fire away
The government had the option years ago to introduce an jab to stop this for all cattle and did nothing!
I blame the government here as its always about money
I don't agree with cull as I'm into animal rights I know farmers have a right to protect their livestock but an injection to protect their cattle when introduced would have prevented this I can think few people I would like to cull but dont agree with the badger cull at all it could all been sorted a long time ago with a jab typical uk government again . "
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"I live in the suburbs of coventry and see the regularly but i do live next to a wood. I feel there is a need for a cull and they have no natural predator just like foxes and deer this is a human problem as we wiped out all the predators so it is our duty to keep the animal populations under control
Why?
Our country will be over run with deer rabits foxes and badgers Disease and in breading will get to epidemic proportions and more human contact will only lead to bad things
Bad things? i have to point out that for a good few million years the world managed just fine without human intervention - we just cock everything up - we have been the cause of so much destruction yet some amongst us still think we're in charge of the planet - the animals,plants and insects would do just great without us - they self regulate which is something that us really clever things just find impossible! Z
Do great without us?..they kill each other!...self regulate kill each other?
oh my goodness - yes - they kill each other and prey on other species to eat - that is nature and that is how they regulate the numbers! do you think they can go to the supermarket for their food? Z"
Missing the point! asking whether we should self regulate by killing each other! |
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"I live in the suburbs of coventry and see the regularly but i do live next to a wood. I feel there is a need for a cull and they have no natural predator just like foxes and deer this is a human problem as we wiped out all the predators so it is our duty to keep the animal populations under control
Why?
Our country will be over run with deer rabits foxes and badgers Disease and in breading will get to epidemic proportions and more human contact will only lead to bad things
Bad things? i have to point out that for a good few million years the world managed just fine without human intervention - we just cock everything up - we have been the cause of so much destruction yet some amongst us still think we're in charge of the planet - the animals,plants and insects would do just great without us - they self regulate which is something that us really clever things just find impossible! Z
Do great without us?..they kill each other!...self regulate kill each other?
oh my goodness - yes - they kill each other and prey on other species to eat - that is nature and that is how they regulate the numbers! do you think they can go to the supermarket for their food? Z
Missing the point! asking whether we should self regulate by killing each other!"
We are humans - we are talking about animals Z |
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"Years ago we used to see a lot of Badgers..
But i Cant remember the last time i even seen a badger.. and only ever see a few roadkill.. "
A friend and I were only talking about this last night! I've probably only seen one live badger in my lifetime but saw two yesterday on the main road squished  |
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Killing to eat and to survive yes but killing just for the sake of it like hunting for fun is a no
So many species have been extinct and are lose to it at mans hands and greed |
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"Years ago we used to see a lot of Badgers..
But i Cant remember the last time i even seen a badger.. and only ever see a few roadkill..
A friend and I were only talking about this last night! I've probably only seen one live badger in my lifetime but saw two yesterday on the main road squished "
Get one most nights in the garden and put milk out for him |
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"I live in the suburbs of coventry and see the regularly but i do live next to a wood. I feel there is a need for a cull and they have no natural predator just like foxes and deer this is a human problem as we wiped out all the predators so it is our duty to keep the animal populations under control
Why?
Our country will be over run with deer rabits foxes and badgers Disease and in breading will get to epidemic proportions and more human contact will only lead to bad things
Bad things? i have to point out that for a good few million years the world managed just fine without human intervention - we just cock everything up - we have been the cause of so much destruction yet some amongst us still think we're in charge of the planet - the animals,plants and insects would do just great without us - they self regulate which is something that us really clever things just find impossible! Z
Do great without us?..they kill each other!...self regulate kill each other?
oh my goodness - yes - they kill each other and prey on other species to eat - that is nature and that is how they regulate the numbers! do you think they can go to the supermarket for their food? Z
Missing the point! asking whether we should self regulate by killing each other!
We are humans - we are talking about animals Z"
Animals don't regulate by making informed decisions they kill and eat to survive.
We have cocked it up so much that you and I as modern man/woman can sit and express our opinions on full stomachs, able to contribute to human and animal charities, content in the likelihood that our children will lead long and enjoyable lives in stark contrast with our ancestors whose lives were short, brutal and nasty.I assume you wouldn't swap! |
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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago
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our ancestors had it right - modern man has cocked up the balance - Z"
How far back is modern? Rabbits are not native to this country and neither are pheasants and possibly some species of deer and all of those were introduced into this country many years ago. Also, much of the wildlife in this country was "managed" by wealthy land owners who were mostly the aristocrisy or landed gentry who had game keepers who would cull carrion such as crows, magpies and jays, hawks such as buzzard and the like also foxes and badgers. Then land started being being put into much more intensive production and the need for game keepers was gone as keeping someone to breed several thousand pheasants contradicted the modern needs of the land. Therefore the strongest animals gained in population because no-one was controlling them whilst other animals were having their habitat destroyed to make use of bigger machinery which enabled us to produce food more cheaply and to build loads of houses for us to live in.
Our farmers have received the lowest milk prices in the ECC for many years because the large supermarkets squeeze the price so much. Can you wonder why they want a cull?
There is a vaccine that can be administered to the cattle but do you really wany ANOTHER chemical in your food? Not the ideal solution either as the cattle cannot be bred from afterwards without complications. Better to do it the Irish way with a cull and an oral vaccine given to the badgers that are spared.
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"I live in the suburbs of coventry and see the regularly but i do live next to a wood. I feel there is a need for a cull and they have no natural predator just like foxes and deer this is a human problem as we wiped out all the predators so it is our duty to keep the animal populations under control
Why?
Our country will be over run with deer rabits foxes and badgers Disease and in breading will get to epidemic proportions and more human contact will only lead to bad things
Bad things? i have to point out that for a good few million years the world managed just fine without human intervention - we just cock everything up - we have been the cause of so much destruction yet some amongst us still think we're in charge of the planet - the animals,plants and insects would do just great without us - they self regulate which is something that us really clever things just find impossible! Z
Do great without us?..they kill each other!...self regulate kill each other?
oh my goodness - yes - they kill each other and prey on other species to eat - that is nature and that is how they regulate the numbers! do you think they can go to the supermarket for their food? Z
Missing the point! asking whether we should self regulate by killing each other!
We are humans - we are talking about animals Z
Animals don't regulate by making informed decisions they kill and eat to survive.
We have cocked it up so much that you and I as modern man/woman can sit and express our opinions on full stomachs, able to contribute to human and animal charities, content in the likelihood that our children will lead long and enjoyable lives in stark contrast with our ancestors whose lives were short, brutal and nasty.I assume you wouldn't swap!"
You are deluded and confused - animals don't live by informed decisions - of course they don't - they do kill snd eat to survive which is natural they don't hunt a species to extinction becaue they need them to live - and there is your clue! Humans have done so much damage because we are arrogant. Z |
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"The debate on here about this has been fairly reasonable.
The claim is that you have to kill 70% of badgers to get a 16% reduction in Bovine TB in herds. That doesn't sound very proportionate.."
Or you could look at it as culling 200,000 badgers to save 320,000
Or to massage the figures cull 20 badgers to save 32 cows and this is being generous as this is figures for only dairy cows if you include beef cattle you are looking at 20 badgers to save 60 bovines being infected.
The cull is necessary the people with all the facts and information know this thats why there is a go ahead in the first place it’s just the half info people who shout differently from a passion point of view but lacking real knowledge.
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"I live in the suburbs of coventry and see the regularly but i do live next to a wood. I feel there is a need for a cull and they have no natural predator just like foxes and deer this is a human problem as we wiped out all the predators so it is our duty to keep the animal populations under control
Why?
Our country will be over run with deer rabits foxes and badgers Disease and in breading will get to epidemic proportions and more human contact will only lead to bad things
Bad things? i have to point out that for a good few million years the world managed just fine without human intervention - we just cock everything up - we have been the cause of so much destruction yet some amongst us still think we're in charge of the planet - the animals,plants and insects would do just great without us - they self regulate which is something that us really clever things just find impossible! Z
Do great without us?..they kill each other!...self regulate kill each other?
oh my goodness - yes - they kill each other and prey on other species to eat - that is nature and that is how they regulate the numbers! do you think they can go to the supermarket for their food? Z
Missing the point! asking whether we should self regulate by killing each other!
We are humans - we are talking about animals Z
Animals don't regulate by making informed decisions they kill and eat to survive.
We have cocked it up so much that you and I as modern man/woman can sit and express our opinions on full stomachs, able to contribute to human and animal charities, content in the likelihood that our children will lead long and enjoyable lives in stark contrast with our ancestors whose lives were short, brutal and nasty.I assume you wouldn't swap!
You are deluded and confused - animals don't live by informed decisions - of course they don't - they do kill snd eat to survive which is natural they don't hunt a species to extinction becaue they need them to live - and there is your clue! Humans have done so much damage because we are arrogant. Z"
Do you honestly believe that animals make a conscious decision not to hunt a species to distinction because they need them to live.. and I'm deluded!..Anthropomorphism gone mad..noted you haven't denied that yours and mine comfortable lives are a product of 'arrogant humans'
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"I live in the suburbs of coventry and see the regularly but i do live next to a wood. I feel there is a need for a cull and they have no natural predator just like foxes and deer this is a human problem as we wiped out all the predators so it is our duty to keep the animal populations under control
Why?
Our country will be over run with deer rabits foxes and badgers Disease and in breading will get to epidemic proportions and more human contact will only lead to bad things
Bad things? i have to point out that for a good few million years the world managed just fine without human intervention - we just cock everything up - we have been the cause of so much destruction yet some amongst us still think we're in charge of the planet - the animals,plants and insects would do just great without us - they self regulate which is something that us really clever things just find impossible! Z
Do great without us?..they kill each other!...self regulate kill each other?
oh my goodness - yes - they kill each other and prey on other species to eat - that is nature and that is how they regulate the numbers! do you think they can go to the supermarket for their food? Z
Missing the point! asking whether we should self regulate by killing each other!
We are humans - we are talking about animals Z
Animals don't regulate by making informed decisions they kill and eat to survive.
We have cocked it up so much that you and I as modern man/woman can sit and express our opinions on full stomachs, able to contribute to human and animal charities, content in the likelihood that our children will lead long and enjoyable lives in stark contrast with our ancestors whose lives were short, brutal and nasty.I assume you wouldn't swap!
You are deluded and confused - animals don't live by informed decisions - of course they don't - they do kill snd eat to survive which is natural they don't hunt a species to extinction becaue they need them to live - and there is your clue! Humans have done so much damage because we are arrogant. Z
Do you honestly believe that animals make a conscious decision not to hunt a species to distinction because they need them to live.. and I'm deluded!..Anthropomorphism gone mad..noted you haven't denied that yours and mine comfortable lives are a product of 'arrogant humans'
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animals don't need to make a consious decicion not to hunt other species to extintion they just don't! it's on;y humans that do that - even parasites don't kill their hosts - it aint rocket science - well to animals but to some humans thats too difficult Z |
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"I live in the suburbs of coventry and see the regularly but i do live next to a wood. I feel there is a need for a cull and they have no natural predator just like foxes and deer this is a human problem as we wiped out all the predators so it is our duty to keep the animal populations under control
Why?
Our country will be over run with deer rabits foxes and badgers Disease and in breading will get to epidemic proportions and more human contact will only lead to bad things
Bad things? i have to point out that for a good few million years the world managed just fine without human intervention - we just cock everything up - we have been the cause of so much destruction yet some amongst us still think we're in charge of the planet - the animals,plants and insects would do just great without us - they self regulate which is something that us really clever things just find impossible! Z
Do great without us?..they kill each other!...self regulate kill each other?
oh my goodness - yes - they kill each other and prey on other species to eat - that is nature and that is how they regulate the numbers! do you think they can go to the supermarket for their food? Z
Missing the point! asking whether we should self regulate by killing each other!
We are humans - we are talking about animals Z
Animals don't regulate by making informed decisions they kill and eat to survive.
We have cocked it up so much that you and I as modern man/woman can sit and express our opinions on full stomachs, able to contribute to human and animal charities, content in the likelihood that our children will lead long and enjoyable lives in stark contrast with our ancestors whose lives were short, brutal and nasty.I assume you wouldn't swap!
You are deluded and confused - animals don't live by informed decisions - of course they don't - they do kill snd eat to survive which is natural they don't hunt a species to extinction becaue they need them to live - and there is your clue! Humans have done so much damage because we are arrogant. Z
Do you honestly believe that animals make a conscious decision not to hunt a species to distinction because they need them to live.. and I'm deluded!..Anthropomorphism gone mad..noted you haven't denied that yours and mine comfortable lives are a product of 'arrogant humans'
animals don't need to make a consious decicion not to hunt other species to extintion they just don't! it's on;y humans that do that - even parasites don't kill their hosts - it aint rocket science - well to animals but to some humans thats too difficult Z"
'They just don't'..well that's convincing. Obviously you are not familiar with the predator prey cycle..and why are you evading the point that you live in a world where 'arrogant' humans have made your existence infinitely more comfortable than in any other time in history. |
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"I live in the suburbs of coventry and see the regularly but i do live next to a wood. I feel there is a need for a cull and they have no natural predator just like foxes and deer this is a human problem as we wiped out all the predators so it is our duty to keep the animal populations under control
Why?
Our country will be over run with deer rabits foxes and badgers Disease and in breading will get to epidemic proportions and more human contact will only lead to bad things
Bad things? i have to point out that for a good few million years the world managed just fine without human intervention - we just cock everything up - we have been the cause of so much destruction yet some amongst us still think we're in charge of the planet - the animals,plants and insects would do just great without us - they self regulate which is something that us really clever things just find impossible! Z
Do great without us?..they kill each other!...self regulate kill each other?
oh my goodness - yes - they kill each other and prey on other species to eat - that is nature and that is how they regulate the numbers! do you think they can go to the supermarket for their food? Z
Missing the point! asking whether we should self regulate by killing each other!
We are humans - we are talking about animals Z
Animals don't regulate by making informed decisions they kill and eat to survive.
We have cocked it up so much that you and I as modern man/woman can sit and express our opinions on full stomachs, able to contribute to human and animal charities, content in the likelihood that our children will lead long and enjoyable lives in stark contrast with our ancestors whose lives were short, brutal and nasty.I assume you wouldn't swap!
You are deluded and confused - animals don't live by informed decisions - of course they don't - they do kill snd eat to survive which is natural they don't hunt a species to extinction becaue they need them to live - and there is your clue! Humans have done so much damage because we are arrogant. Z
Do you honestly believe that animals make a conscious decision not to hunt a species to distinction because they need them to live.. and I'm deluded!..Anthropomorphism gone mad..noted you haven't denied that yours and mine comfortable lives are a product of 'arrogant humans'
animals don't need to make a consious decicion not to hunt other species to extintion they just don't! it's on;y humans that do that - even parasites don't kill their hosts - it aint rocket science - well to animals but to some humans thats too difficult Z
'They just don't'..well that's convincing. Obviously you are not familiar with the predator prey cycle..and why are you evading the point that you live in a world where 'arrogant' humans have made your existence infinitely more comfortable than in any other time in history. "
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"West Somerset and West Gloucestershire are expecting to begin a trial cull of 5,000 badgers over the next six weeks.
Lots of overtime for the police force no doubt."
now..if they were meerkats....... |
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"bovine tb is a problem but we should be more worried about the re introduction of tb in humans in the UK that's going to become a bigger and bigger problem - this is another exanple of the powers that be diverting our attention from more important matters - Z"
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The whole point of a badger cull is to try and control and eventually wipe out bovine TB in cattle ! I hear on the news today that a cull is nescessary as it would take years before a vacine would be available ! Although in parts of wales they are vacinating badgers!! Still yet to see a post pointing out how many healthy cattle have been slaughtered because thet may have Tb |
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"The whole point of a badger cull is to try and control and eventually wipe out bovine TB in cattle ! I hear on the news today that a cull is nescessary as it would take years before a vacine would be available ! Although in parts of wales they are vacinating badgers!! Still yet to see a post pointing out how many healthy cattle have been slaughtered because thet may have Tb "
From what I was told by a farmer friend there is already Vaccine, the problem is that its currently un-licenced and un-proven therefore any cattle vaccinated cannot be sold for meat. This is an EU law. |
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"I live in the suburbs of coventry and see the regularly but i do live next to a wood. I feel there is a need for a cull and they have no natural predator just like foxes and deer this is a human problem as we wiped out all the predators so it is our duty to keep the animal populations under control "
By this argument we should have a human cull as we have wiped out all our predators in the UK and are by far the most out of control species by population numbers. |
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"bovine tb is a problem but we should be more worried about the re introduction of tb in humans in the UK that's going to become a bigger and bigger problem - this is another exanple of the powers that be diverting our attention from more important matters - Z"
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"I live in the suburbs of coventry and see the regularly but i do live next to a wood. I feel there is a need for a cull and they have no natural predator just like foxes and deer this is a human problem as we wiped out all the predators so it is our duty to keep the animal populations under control
By this argument we should have a human cull as we have wiped out all our predators in the UK and are by far the most out of control species by population numbers."
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our ancestors had it right - modern man has cocked up the balance - Z
How far back is modern? Rabbits are not native to this country and neither are pheasants and possibly some species of deer and all of those were introduced into this country many years ago. Also, much of the wildlife in this country was "managed" by wealthy land owners who were mostly the aristocrisy or landed gentry who had game keepers who would cull carrion such as crows, magpies and jays, hawks such as buzzard and the like also foxes and badgers. Then land started being being put into much more intensive production and the need for game keepers was gone as keeping someone to breed several thousand pheasants contradicted the modern needs of the land. Therefore the strongest animals gained in population because no-one was controlling them whilst other animals were having their habitat destroyed to make use of bigger machinery which enabled us to produce food more cheaply and to build loads of houses for us to live in.
Our farmers have received the lowest milk prices in the ECC for many years because the large supermarkets squeeze the price so much. Can you wonder why they want a cull?
There is a vaccine that can be administered to the cattle but do you really wany ANOTHER chemical in your food? Not the ideal solution either as the cattle cannot be bred from afterwards without complications. Better to do it the Irish way with a cull and an oral vaccine given to the badgers that are spared.
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There is most definitely a need for gamekeepers in the modern landscape, im a gamekeeper myself and the game shooting industry is worth at least 30 million a year to scotland alone. Also, 6 times more area of land in scotland is cared for by gamekeepers than national parks. |
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The vaccine does not exist,well not one that works anyway.The vaccine they are giving the badgers is at best 40% effective and thats assuming the badger doesnt have tb in the first place.
Its not just a cattle problem its pretty grim for the badgers as they die a horrible death from this disease,you just dont see it because they die underground.
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Hello all,
there has been a huge increase in badger numbers in the last few years, that is why you rarely see hedgehogs any longer, the badgers have nearly wiped them out.
I don't know what natural predators the badger has but they are obviously not keeping a balance. I do feel that a cull is necessary both to curb the number of badgers and to combat bovine TB.
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