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What are your opinions on capital punishment?

By *iceguy 1966 OP Man over a year ago

in pa postcode

I am meaning the death sentence for the most henious of crimes, not all crimes before the thread and me get a verbal kicking. I am in the for catagory, why should the tax payer pay for their crimes also by keeping them alive. Be nice in this thread and let's have a healthy debate here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't agree with the death penalty

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By *kin BohnerMan over a year ago

derby

Its wrong. State sanctioned murder, nothing more. And all this baloney about an eye for an eye is a dead end if you think about it for more that ten seconds.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

am opposed to it..

wonders how long before someone uses 'do gooder' and other similar terms..?

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By *iceguy 1966 OP Man over a year ago

in pa postcode

Everyone has a valid opinion in life, that's what makes us a civilised society after all

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Better to be a 'do-gooder' than a 'do-badder'.

I'm against. If we say killing someone is wrong then to kill someone for killing another then we are equally wrong.

And before the argument 'an eye for an eye' pops up - we criticise those regions where they use that excuse for their barbarism. Do we really need to emulate them?

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By *radleyandRavenCouple over a year ago

Herts

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By *radleyandRavenCouple over a year ago

Herts

"I am a bit *mixed about this one as I don't trust the justice system. - So many people are wrongly accused.

In a perfect world where no mistakes were made, I would say I want it brought back for repeat offenders (people who are constantly in and out of jail for serious crimes who clearly show no signs of learning their lesson or being rehabilitated). Society has no use for them.

As it is though, meh...

- Amy. x"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I readily admit to allowing my emotions to sometimes feel inflicting premature death seems the most fitting punishment to certain crimes

But I’ve never met anyone who warrants holding an impartial authority of deciding if someone should die as a punishment on my behalf….!.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

When you've executed someone for a crime, then discover new evidence proving their innocence, all the acquittals / quashings in the world can't erase the mistake of what would then be a wrongful death (or state-sanctioned manslaughter).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't think bringing back the death sentence is the best option, but I do think criminals in prison should make some contribution to society instead of living in this lap of luxury we hear about all too often? not sure that though?

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By *ce WingerMan over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

That is a subject which will evoke many emotions.

Innocent until proven guilty, appeals et alii

Many innocent folk have been hanged

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By *els_BellsWoman over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

"Better to be a 'do-gooder' than a 'do-badder'.

I'm against. If we say killing someone is wrong then to kill someone for killing another then we are equally wrong.

And before the argument 'an eye for an eye' pops up - we criticise those regions where they use that excuse for their barbarism. Do we really need to emulate them?"

there have been far too many injustices aswell to give a good argument for Capital Punishment.

Even if it was proved without any doubt, had proper true confessions etc. I still think it is wrong. The likes of Brady or that one last week, where they obviously want to die, no, keep them alive for as long as possible in the hope they suffer.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I don't think bringing back the death sentence is the best option, but I do think criminals in prison should make some contribution to society instead of living in this lap of luxury we hear about all too often? not sure that though?

It is NOT the lap of luxury - don't believe what the gutter press claim!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Strongly against it....it has no place in a modern civilised society in my opinion x

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By *londeCazWoman over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria

I am, in principle, in favour. I believe some crimes, where the assailant needs to be caged for the rest of their lives and stands no chance of rehabilitating should be put down humanely. My problem with it is the possibility of a miscarriage of judgement, therefore I have to err on the side of caution and stick with the against argument (that doesn't make me a "do-gooder" though, just another forumite with an opinion that differs from those making disparaging remarks about those who oppose the argument)

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By *londeCazWoman over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria

It is NOT the lap of luxury - don't believe what the gutter press claim!"

Might be classed as the lap of luxury to an OAP trying to decide between heat & eat...former prison staff commenting so have first hand knowledge and don't need to rely on what the press (gutter or otherwise) say

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By *unky monkeyMan over a year ago

in the night garden

Apart from the fact you can't undo it if wrongly convicted.

I think it's an easy get out.

I prefer the idea of life imprisonment with no chance of parole. This way the torture is much varied, disturbing and lengthy.

Oh yeah and it's immoral blah blah.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

lap of luxury? really? how comes we're not all out there commiting crimes, sound like they have a better life than most of us

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By *quirrelMan over a year ago

East Manchester

This question keeps coming up everytime there is an act which disgusts and appals the public, April Jones, Drummer Lee Rigby and others who were murdered by some sick twisted individual always prompts the same question and will always get the same answer.

There will never be a reintroduction of the "ultimate penalty" because there is no merit save a financial one in its favour. Let all murderers and rapists rot in a prison cell for the rest of their lives to consider their crimes and serve as a warning to others that there will be no release and the view they have now of a blank wall in a prison cell is all they are going to see for the rest of their life until they are taken out in a box.

Terrorists become martyrs if they are executed, best left in a cell as a caged pathetic excuse for a human being until they are old and frail.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

oh and in answer to the question I don't agree with it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am meaning the death sentence for the most henious of crimes, not all crimes before the thread and me get a verbal kicking. I am in the for catagory, why should the tax payer pay for their crimes also by keeping them alive. Be nice in this thread and let's have a healthy debate here."

The tax payers money point is moot as in most countries it takes far more money to execute someone once you've taken all appropriate steps to ensure you've got the right person and appeals etc. It's the commonly held misconception that a prison is a five star holiday often started by people who've never been in one.

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By *cEvil and BlueangelCouple over a year ago

Co Durham

It is NOT the lap of luxury - don't believe what the gutter press claim!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This question keeps coming up everytime there is an act which disgusts and appals the public, April Jones, Drummer Lee Rigby and others who were murdered by some sick twisted individual always prompts the same question and will always get the same answer.

Terrorists become martyrs if they are executed, best left in a cell as a caged pathetic excuse for a human being until they are old and frail. "

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

It is NOT the lap of luxury - don't believe what the gutter press claim!

I still say it is not the lap of luxury. For one thing - they have been denied freedom. That is something which humans have fought, often to the death, for for millenia. Clearly, freedom, is a luxury. Many prisons have rather poor sanitation. They have little access to exercise. Are often 'banged up' 23 hours a day. They have few of any choices about the course of their life. This is not luxury.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lap of Luxury is normally an emotive argument put forward by the press who want us to punish people. What exactly is the "lap of luxury" they talk about? The small room they spend most of the day in? The regulated times of everything, the shitty food, the lack of choices, the potential for violence at any moment? Not sure of their definition of luxury, but mine has far more beers and silk sheets in it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I dont believe in the death penalty. Surely it is worse to spend the rest of ypur life in prison rather then have your life ended in a humane way? I know I would rather die then spend the rest of my life in prison

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By *ce WingerMan over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

In 1972, twenty year old Palma de Mallorca was demanded to three hundred eighty four thousand nine hundred and twelve years of sentence for having failed to deliver letters. His crime of not delivering over four thousand letters resulted in such a huge punishment by the Spanish judiciary. This remains the longest sentence demanded so far in history.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is NOT the lap of luxury - don't believe what the gutter press claim!

I'm sorry, but comparing one shit condition to another doesn't make one of them luxurious in the slightest. Being given three meals a day isn't luxury, unless of course these are cordon bleu meals, which we know they're not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Should be brought back.

I'd rather be alive in a cell than dead.

The murderer took someone else's life they should forgo theirs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Should be brought back.

I'd rather be alive in a cell than dead.

The murderer took someone else's life they should forgo theirs. "

How strange that I agree with you in one thread and then immediately disagree in another one! I'm against capital punishment purely because it's easy to talk in the abstract about someone losing their life to the death penalty who is innocent being a "price worth paying", unless of course, it's a miscarriage against you, your children, anyone you know or like.

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By *londeCazWoman over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria

It is NOT the lap of luxury - don't believe what the gutter press claim!

Are you referring to prisons in the UK or those in other countries? I've only worked/visited 3 prisons (one a Cat A) but none had poor sanitation, all had pretty good gym facilities and no-one was banged up for 23 hours unless in Seg.

I still maintain that to a pensioner struggling to survive on their money, some may well consider prisoners to live in the lap of luxury with being fed and watered, kept warm, given almost immediate access to healthcare, opportunities to educate themselves and keep fairly active.

I don't disagree with your view, just can see how it might look to some

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

It is NOT the lap of luxury - don't believe what the gutter press claim!

I don't disagree with your view, just can see how it might look to some"

But the single thing which defines it is freedom - the lack of it. Unless a person has experienced having their freedom taken they cannot know what it is like. My mother, in spite of being a pensioner, struggling, and confined to her house, still had a level of freedom which prisoners do not have. This is the punishment aspect of imprisonment - not to mention the removal from general society of those who we cannot allow to roam free in it for safety's sake. My mother could still be taken out weekly for trips, shopping, theatre visits.

She was free to make calls to anyone at any time. Free to watch what she liked. Free to entertain whatever visitor, whenever she liked.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd agree and disagree. Having also worked in child offenders "prisons". The structure of having meals and having warmth medication etc. is good. However, this totally removes us from the fact that there is nothing remotely luxurious about any of these places. Comparing them to pensioners is a bit like saying pensioners live in luxury because the homeless don't have any of the things a pensioner has.

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By *londeCazWoman over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria

"I'd agree and disagree. Having also worked in child offenders "prisons". The structure of having meals and having warmth medication etc. is good. However, this totally removes us from the fact that there is nothing remotely luxurious about any of these places. Comparing them to pensioners is a bit like saying pensioners live in luxury because the homeless don't have any of the things a pensioner has. "

But that is a personal perception of luxury and I can also understand a homeless person possibly thinking that...I only used the lap of luxury term because it had previously been used, i know prison accom isnt luxurious but I stand by my comments and have enjoyed reading the thread so far

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

The idea of the 'lap of luxury' is also a term which suggests personal perception though. I don't feel that I live in the lap of luxury but others may think I do in comparison to their own circumstances.

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By * Jay69Man over a year ago

Bridgwater - Somerset

I'm against the ultimate sanction. It's a toss up, does the low recidivism rate outweigh the real possibility of mistakes? Not for me.

If killing people is wrong - it's wrong, state sponsored murder - not in my name.

Hate, vengeance and retribution are very negative emotions, they bring out the worst in people.

Lap of luxury - loaded phrase, prison might be luxurious to someone who's been sleeping on the street - but when the cell door slams shut and you take in the fact that there is no handle on the inside and you're sharing in a cell designed for one! Most cells have sanitary facilities but no privacy cubicle - slopping out is comparatively rare now.)

I think you'll find many rough sleepers would soon rather be back on the street.

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By *irtydanMan over a year ago

Blackpool

get them hung

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"get them hung "

Meat is hung. People are hanged.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't agree with it nobody has the right to end another persons life. I think life in prison should be 30 years though and prisoners should work to pay for their room and board.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Im totally against it,always have been and no ones reasonable debates that are for it have ever changed my mind

I say reasonable debate because most of the time people shouting out for the death penalty are knee jerk emotional reactions to topical news subjects

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It may not be a lap of luxury, but we don't think it's as bad as some try to make it, yes years ago it may have been a hard doing time. But the facilities they have at there disposal is very good,ie education, gym equipment, televisions and some cell even have there own toilet and wash facilities, long gone are the days of slopping out,now to you and me it's not nice but to a person serving 3 years it's not bad, and what about open prison where some go outside to work not for the prison but main stream employers

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why would anyone want to bring back a system that doesnt work in any other country that has it.

If a country that used it had no more murders at all since it came out. I would give it some thought.

The countries that have it and use it, wouldnt need to use it if it was a deterrent.

It isnt a deterrent so it is simply state sanctioned murder.

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By *plankyMan over a year ago

Beeston

I'm with hels bels, dukilad and those who are against capital punishment.

First, there could be a mistake and people like the Birmingham 6 who were subsequently found innocent (20 years later) would have been wrongfully executed.

Second, I can't see how it is a punishment in any way to kill those who do not value human life. As far as They are concerned it is all over quickly and humanely. And often the worst type of criminals choose to kill themselves - remember Fred West? He chose to leave this life in his own time.

Far more retributive, in my opinion, to make them really suffer. Every new day is a day with steadily decreasing hope of a quick exit. How did the child murdered Brady adjust to the last forty years of his life?

Not very well.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Has the death sentence proved to be an effective deterrent in any country that has it? That'd be a no the, so the only role it serves is vengeance and anyone that thinks that that fits within the idea of a civilised society is wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has the death sentence proved to be an effective deterrent in any country that has it? That'd be a no the, so the only role it serves is vengeance and anyone that thinks that that fits within the idea of a civilised society is wrong. "

May not be a deterrent to others but certainly stops the person who did it reoffending

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know this is unrelated but I think the first thing we need to do as a nation is take care of those persons that pose a threat to our national security. Deport the hate preachers and there families without delay. They quote its against their human rights but never respect ours. Our government should just deal with it and f**k brussels.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

May not be a deterrent to others but certainly stops the person who did it reoffending

Thats true....it also means that if that person is found to be innocent its a little too late to say ooopppps sorry about that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is that anyone that preaches hate? So where are we going to ship Tommy Robinson and Kev Carroll too? Or Nick Griffin? Because they preach hatred at any given opportunity... Or is that not what you meant?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

May not be a deterrent to others but certainly stops the person who did it reoffending

and when the dead person is found to be innocent after the punishment has been carried out..?

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By *orset manMan over a year ago

Bournemouth

no- too many innocent people gone to the gallows

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

May not be a deterrent to others but certainly stops the person who did it reoffending

Thats true....it also means that if that person is found to be innocent its a little too late to say ooopppps sorry about that"

Fair point but if there is no doubt the person is guilty well................,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

May not be a deterrent to others but certainly stops the person who did it reoffending

and when the dead person is found to be innocent after the punishment has been carried out..?"

Think by saying the person who did it not who was charged or accused of doing it shows I know you have to be 100 percent certain before you execute

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

May not be a deterrent to others but certainly stops the person who did it reoffending

Thats true....it also means that if that person is found to be innocent its a little too late to say ooopppps sorry about that

Fair point but if there is no doubt the person is guilty well................,"

it would not work..

Stephan Kizko was found guilty of mudering a youg girl with at the time of conviction 'no doubt' that he had done it..

until 16 yrs later when the truth came out..

i have no doubt that Bridger murdered April Jones, its one of those pretty cast iron cases...

but then again so was..

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By *innamon!Woman over a year ago

no matter

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I do believe in death penalty for acts of treason ( the killing in cold blood of a soldier last week) No mistaking who did that , also the murder of children .

I dont agree with life being 10 / 13 years . There are very few mistakes made over these crimes."

but what if one of your own was one of the few mistakes..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

May not be a deterrent to others but certainly stops the person who did it reoffending

Thats true....it also means that if that person is found to be innocent its a little too late to say ooopppps sorry about that

Fair point but if there is no doubt the person is guilty well................,

it would not work..

Stephan Kizko was found guilty of mudering a youg girl with at the time of conviction 'no doubt' that he had done it..

until 16 yrs later when the truth came out..

i have no doubt that Bridger murdered April Jones, its one of those pretty cast iron cases...

but then again so was..

So the murders in London last week didn't do it ????

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Think by saying the person who did it not who was charged or accused of doing it shows I know you have to be 100 percent certain before you execute "

So because you can never be 100% certain, you can never carry it out.

One of the many reasons civilised nations dont use it

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

May not be a deterrent to others but certainly stops the person who did it reoffending

Thats true....it also means that if that person is found to be innocent its a little too late to say ooopppps sorry about that

Fair point but if there is no doubt the person is guilty well................,

it would not work..

Stephan Kizko was found guilty of mudering a youg girl with at the time of conviction 'no doubt' that he had done it..

until 16 yrs later when the truth came out..

i have no doubt that Bridger murdered April Jones, its one of those pretty cast iron cases...

but then again so was..

So the murders in London last week didn't do it ????

thats a bit of a silly question as we all know they did..

so we execute them as the burden of proof is x pages high..

and for another murder where there is only 1 piece of evidence we do what..?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

May not be a deterrent to others but certainly stops the person who did it reoffending

Thats true....it also means that if that person is found to be innocent its a little too late to say ooopppps sorry about that

Fair point but if there is no doubt the person is guilty well................,

it would not work..

Stephan Kizko was found guilty of mudering a youg girl with at the time of conviction 'no doubt' that he had done it..

until 16 yrs later when the truth came out..

i have no doubt that Bridger murdered April Jones, its one of those pretty cast iron cases...

but then again so was..

So the murders in London last week didn't do it ????

thats a bit of a silly question as we all know they did..

so we execute them as the burden of proof is x pages high..

and for another murder where there is only 1 piece of evidence we do what..? "

It wasn't a silly question it was trying to show that if your 100 percent sure then the death penalty is justified. Some people ( on here included ) try to say you can never be certain but I think London proves that you can be.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

May not be a deterrent to others but certainly stops the person who did it reoffending

Thats true....it also means that if that person is found to be innocent its a little too late to say ooopppps sorry about that

Fair point but if there is no doubt the person is guilty well................,

it would not work..

Stephan Kizko was found guilty of mudering a youg girl with at the time of conviction 'no doubt' that he had done it..

until 16 yrs later when the truth came out..

i have no doubt that Bridger murdered April Jones, its one of those pretty cast iron cases...

but then again so was..

So the murders in London last week didn't do it ????

thats a bit of a silly question as we all know they did..

so we execute them as the burden of proof is x pages high..

and for another murder where there is only 1 piece of evidence we do what..?

pardon it was'nt a silly question it was the way you worded it..

have stated earlier that i think Bridger is guilty, 'cast iron'..

but you cant have a system whereby the likes of the 2 who murdered Lee Rigby are executed and others who have also been proven guilty of murder though in less public circumstances not..

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By *aucy3Couple over a year ago

glasgow

May not be a deterrent to others but certainly stops the person who did it reoffending

Thats true....it also means that if that person is found to be innocent its a little too late to say ooopppps sorry about that

Fair point but if there is no doubt the person is guilty well................,

it would not work..

Stephan Kizko was found guilty of mudering a youg girl with at the time of conviction 'no doubt' that he had done it..

until 16 yrs later when the truth came out..

i have no doubt that Bridger murdered April Jones, its one of those pretty cast iron cases...

but then again so was..

So the murders in London last week didn't do it ????

thats a bit of a silly question as we all know they did..

so we execute them as the burden of proof is x pages high..

and for another murder where there is only 1 piece of evidence we do what..?

pardon it was'nt a silly question it was the way you worded it..

have stated earlier that i think Bridger is guilty, 'cast iron'..

but you cant have a system whereby the likes of the 2 who murdered Lee Rigby are executed and others who have also been proven guilty of murder though in less public circumstances not..

in law,there are no degrees of guilt.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

May not be a deterrent to others but certainly stops the person who did it reoffending

Thats true....it also means that if that person is found to be innocent its a little too late to say ooopppps sorry about that

Fair point but if there is no doubt the person is guilty well................,

it would not work..

Stephan Kizko was found guilty of mudering a youg girl with at the time of conviction 'no doubt' that he had done it..

until 16 yrs later when the truth came out..

i have no doubt that Bridger murdered April Jones, its one of those pretty cast iron cases...

but then again so was..

So the murders in London last week didn't do it ????

thats a bit of a silly question as we all know they did..

so we execute them as the burden of proof is x pages high..

and for another murder where there is only 1 piece of evidence we do what..?

pardon it was'nt a silly question it was the way you worded it..

have stated earlier that i think Bridger is guilty, 'cast iron'..

but you cant have a system whereby the likes of the 2 who murdered Lee Rigby are executed and others who have also been proven guilty of murder though in less public circumstances not..

in law,there are no degrees of guilt."

exactly my point..

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By *aucy3Couple over a year ago

glasgow

May not be a deterrent to others but certainly stops the person who did it reoffending

Thats true....it also means that if that person is found to be innocent its a little too late to say ooopppps sorry about that

Fair point but if there is no doubt the person is guilty well................,

it would not work..

Stephan Kizko was found guilty of mudering a youg girl with at the time of conviction 'no doubt' that he had done it..

until 16 yrs later when the truth came out..

i have no doubt that Bridger murdered April Jones, its one of those pretty cast iron cases...

but then again so was..

So the murders in London last week didn't do it ????

thats a bit of a silly question as we all know they did..

so we execute them as the burden of proof is x pages high..

and for another murder where there is only 1 piece of evidence we do what..?

pardon it was'nt a silly question it was the way you worded it..

have stated earlier that i think Bridger is guilty, 'cast iron'..

but you cant have a system whereby the likes of the 2 who murdered Lee Rigby are executed and others who have also been proven guilty of murder though in less public circumstances not..

in law,there are no degrees of guilt.

exactly my point.."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

May not be a deterrent to others but certainly stops the person who did it reoffending

Thats true....it also means that if that person is found to be innocent its a little too late to say ooopppps sorry about that

Fair point but if there is no doubt the person is guilty well................,

it would not work..

Stephan Kizko was found guilty of mudering a youg girl with at the time of conviction 'no doubt' that he had done it..

until 16 yrs later when the truth came out..

i have no doubt that Bridger murdered April Jones, its one of those pretty cast iron cases...

but then again so was..

So the murders in London last week didn't do it ????

thats a bit of a silly question as we all know they did..

so we execute them as the burden of proof is x pages high..

and for another murder where there is only 1 piece of evidence we do what..?

pardon it was'nt a silly question it was the way you worded it..

have stated earlier that i think Bridger is guilty, 'cast iron'..

but you cant have a system whereby the likes of the 2 who murdered Lee Rigby are executed and others who have also been proven guilty of murder though in less public circumstances not..

You can have a system of proven without doubt then I beleve the death penalty is acceptable. Is it right that a convicted killer can be released to kill again or even kill in prison?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Stephan Kizko was found guilty of mudering a youg girl with at the time of conviction 'no doubt' that he had done it..

until 16 yrs later when the truth came out..

You can have a system of proven without doubt then I beleve the death penalty is acceptable. Is it right that a convicted killer can be released to kill again or even kill in prison?"

see above m8 and history is littered with other cases of 'proven' cases which were overturned by the Court of Appeal..

maybe the issue about release is down to the system not being stringent enough..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Too harsh to put in here without getting a ban

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Stephan Kizko was found guilty of mudering a youg girl with at the time of conviction 'no doubt' that he had done it..

until 16 yrs later when the truth came out..

You can have a system of proven without doubt then I beleve the death penalty is acceptable. Is it right that a convicted killer can be released to kill again or even kill in prison?

see above m8 and history is littered with other cases of 'proven' cases which were overturned by the Court of Appeal..

maybe the issue about release is down to the system not being stringent enough.."

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying hang everyone who's accused of murder I'm not even saying do it to everyone who's convicted ie a person who's been abused and snappes there are circumstances where a life sentence (life meaning life as in no parole for 150 years) can be and is appropriate but in my opinion which is all it is my opinion there are some people who's crime does not warrent them living

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

May not be a deterrent to others but certainly stops the person who did it reoffending

Thats true....it also means that if that person is found to be innocent its a little too late to say ooopppps sorry about that

Fair point but if there is no doubt the person is guilty well................,

it would not work..

Stephan Kizko was found guilty of mudering a youg girl with at the time of conviction 'no doubt' that he had done it..

until 16 yrs later when the truth came out..

i have no doubt that Bridger murdered April Jones, its one of those pretty cast iron cases...

but then again so was..

So the murders in London last week didn't do it ????

thats a bit of a silly question as we all know they did..

so we execute them as the burden of proof is x pages high..

and for another murder where there is only 1 piece of evidence we do what..?

pardon it was'nt a silly question it was the way you worded it..

have stated earlier that i think Bridger is guilty, 'cast iron'..

but you cant have a system whereby the likes of the 2 who murdered Lee Rigby are executed and others who have also been proven guilty of murder though in less public circumstances not..

You can have a system of proven without doubt then I beleve the death penalty is acceptable. Is it right that a convicted killer can be released to kill again or even kill in prison?"

You cannot have 2 tiers of guilt.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

killers are a minority

tampered with evidence is in the minority(I hope)

mistakes are a minority

false claims of being the killer(s) are a minority

none of the above are acceptable..they do happen, thats why the capital punishment system will never work

and to the 'this country..prisons are great..I'll push the button'-mob.. stop talking shite

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bring it back

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"killers are a minority

tampered with evidence is in the minority(I hope)

mistakes are a minority

false claims of being the killer(s) are a minority

none of the above are acceptable..they do happen, thats why the capital punishment system will never work

and to the 'this country..prisons are great..I'll push the button'-mob.. stop talking shite

Talking shite? So because I have a different opinion to you I'm talking shite. Get a grip

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"killers are a minority

tampered with evidence is in the minority(I hope)

mistakes are a minority

false claims of being the killer(s) are a minority

none of the above are acceptable..they do happen, thats why the capital punishment system will never work

and to the 'this country..prisons are great..I'll push the button'-mob.. stop talking shite

Talking shite? So because I have a different opinion to you I'm talking shite. Get a grip

No but all those who say that they'd happily be the executer are.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"killers are a minority

tampered with evidence is in the minority(I hope)

mistakes are a minority

false claims of being the killer(s) are a minority

none of the above are acceptable..they do happen, thats why the capital punishment system will never work

and to the 'this country..prisons are great..I'll push the button'-mob.. stop talking shite

Talking shite? So because I have a different opinion to you I'm talking shite. Get a grip

No but all those who say that they'd happily be the executer are."

No I think it takes a special person or people to do it but there will be people who would do it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"killers are a minority

tampered with evidence is in the minority(I hope)

mistakes are a minority

false claims of being the killer(s) are a minority

none of the above are acceptable..they do happen, thats why the capital punishment system will never work

and to the 'this country..prisons are great..I'll push the button'-mob.. stop talking shite

Talking shite? So because I have a different opinion to you I'm talking shite. Get a grip

No but all those who say that they'd happily be the executer are.

No I think it takes a special person or people to do it but there will be people who would do it. "

I was joking btw...the cyclic death penalty conversations always come up..

and so soon after the deaths(or the sentences), we get the vengeance squad...

almost before a crime HAS been committed they are judge,jury and executioner

and for that...i say...talking shite..in capitals I will say again SHITE lol