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By *UNCHBOX OP Man
over a year ago
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It seems as though some feminist groups have got their nickers in a twist about lads mags that feature naked women on the front covers(nuts,Zoo etc), because they think shop workers being made to handle these could sue because of sex discrimation or sex harassment laws.
While i agree these should be kept from the reach of under age children, will these feminist groups demand the shop workers can refuse to handle books like 50 shades of grey as well? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The whole world has gone politically correct mad. Total bollocks.
However I don't think kids need to see magazines etc with women's boobs out on the front.
50 shades books have a generic pic on the front so no harm done. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I understand why people are doing this, but my concern is where will it end.
You stop lads mags, I back the top shelf mags being in wrappers. Could this spread to car and bike mags that have a woman in lingerie sprawled across the car/bike on the cover of them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I understand why people are doing this, but my concern is where will it end.
You stop lads mags, I back the top shelf mags being in wrappers. Could this spread to car and bike mags that have a woman in lingerie sprawled across the car/bike on the cover of them."
Yes why not. Little kids don't need to see it when they are out shopping. They aren't banning the mags, just covering them up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Think it would probably extend to most womens mags as well, many have sex reference text on the covers, and quite often scantily clad women on them too... or how about news papers, books, and as for the suggestive shapes in the fresh fruit and veg aisle... sensationalism gone mad once again. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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i know its not lads mags but i have personally complained to morrisons about how they put wine forsale on the checkouts right next to the sweets,like duh kids see the sweets and the wine next to each othet and think what ??????? idiots  |
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"It seems as though some feminist groups have got their nickers in a twist about lads mags that feature naked women on the front covers(nuts,Zoo etc), because they think shop workers being made to handle these could sue because of sex discrimation or sex harassment laws.
While i agree these should be kept from the reach of under age children, will these feminist groups demand the shop workers can refuse to handle books like 50 shades of grey as well? "
50 Shades of Grey has a picture of a tie on the cover.
Not really comparable to women with their boobs out, so why should feminists demand anything of the sort? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It seems as though some feminist groups have got their nickers in a twist about lads mags that feature naked women on the front covers(nuts,Zoo etc), because they think shop workers being made to handle these could sue because of sex discrimation or sex harassment laws.
While i agree these should be kept from the reach of under age children, will these feminist groups demand the shop workers can refuse to handle books like 50 shades of grey as well?
50 Shades of Grey has a picture of a tie on the cover.
Not really comparable to women with their boobs out, so why should feminists demand anything of the sort?"
Oh I don't know I like my pic with the tie  |
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"i know its not lads mags but i have personally complained to morrisons about how they put wine forsale on the checkouts right next to the sweets,like duh kids see the sweets and the wine next to each othet and think what ??????? idiots "
And think...
Yay I can get pissed as mum n dad scoff my Haribo |
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By (user no longer on site)
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So using the logic of the feminist brigade on this issue will pictures of men showing bodies also be targeted i think not.
Folk should tell the politicsl correctness crew to fuck off if women really want the equality they should have then lets have less of this crap anf accept men like female pics and vice versa. |
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Perhaps we should also start a campaign that skirts above the knee should be banned and menu with no shirts on be arrested for indecent exposure.
Yes some lad mags push the boundaries of what can be shown, but then the womans magazines with words like sex and orgasm on them should be plain covered too. |
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"So using the logic of the feminist brigade on this issue will pictures of men showing bodies also be targeted i think not.
Folk should tell the politicsl correctness crew to fuck off if women really want the equality they should have then lets have less of this crap anf accept men like female pics and vice versa."
But men baring their chests isn't considered sexual. They do it all the time when it's sunny or on the beach or at the swimming pool etc. For your ideal of equality men would have to cover their chests up and make baring them titillation or boobs will have to lose their sexual appeal so women can walk round naked from the waist up like men do. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It said that shop workers have sued for sexual harrasment for having to handle them.
Erm did the shop not have these mags before they started working there? If it offends them that much don't work there!
Would a vegetarian work in a butchers if they didn't eat meat for animal rights
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"So using the logic of the feminist brigade on this issue will pictures of men showing bodies also be targeted i think not.
Folk should tell the politicsl correctness crew to fuck off if women really want the equality they should have then lets have less of this crap anf accept men like female pics and vice versa.
But men baring their chests isn't considered sexual. They do it all the time when it's sunny or on the beach or at the swimming pool etc. For your ideal of equality men would have to cover their chests up and make baring them titillation or boobs will have to lose their sexual appeal so women can walk round naked from the waist up like men do. "
Really? Not according to the myriad of coca cola adds! What could be described as the most iconic company in the word used the provocative of a man removing a wet top to sell cans of diet to women would pretty much confirm the opposite. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The issue isn't nakedness.
The issue is perception of.
The issue is attitude toward. "
The issue is control by some over others if we are going to be precise. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I understand why people are doing this, but my concern is where will it end.
You stop lads mags, I back the top shelf mags being in wrappers. Could this spread to car and bike mags that have a woman in lingerie sprawled across the car/bike on the cover of them.
Yes why not. Little kids don't need to see it when they are out shopping. They aren't banning the mags, just covering them up. "
Sounds good. They just want to see a total ban and using this to inch closer. What they don't realise is for every woman that hates it, there's a woman who happily makes a living out of it.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just some barrister trying to make money..."
Its a little more than that. There are a number of different micro groups who dislike things like this. There are the jealous of better looking women ones, the ones that hate magazines because they blame them for their partner fucking off. there are those ones who are right wing lezzas and others who hate any sort of flesh on display. The worst though ate those who have achieved little so far in life and feel they are intellectually better than they really are so strive to achieve minor victories to gloat in some perverse way if they are successful. Sad really to waste time on such a trivial issue when there are far more unpleasant things in society that could do with their attention. |
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Where is the line drawn ? What is acceptable to one shop worker will be unacceptable to another. Obviously the answer is to ban magazine cover pics completely ! In fact, why not ban magazines full stop ? Just imagine - someone could accidentally leave one on a bus or train and someone else could pick it up and be scarred for life by the contents ! Hang on - feel a compensation claim coming on .....  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Wow I'm amazed at how many misogynistic guys are in here. Some rather low comments from some posters above 
I don't object to any legal soft or hard porn. But there's a time and a place and when the Internet provides such freedom for this, I fail to see why we have to be subjected to this in environments like supermarkets. Certain ethnics who run shops are even worse and display magazines a plenty and DVDs at low level.
No it's not acceptable. And nope I'm not jealous or a Lezza or any of the other ridiculous accusations levied from above. It is exactly that women are being shown as unequal sexual beings and no I don't want this for me or my daughter thank you very much.
This is 2013 boys |
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Can't quote on my phone but cumsluts post says it all. As I said it is about the objectification of women and by comments on here lots of men and women seem to have no problem with it.
Sex sells for sure but what are we buying in to? |
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"So using the logic of the feminist brigade on this issue will pictures of men showing bodies also be targeted i think not.
Folk should tell the politicsl correctness crew to fuck off if women really want the equality they should have then lets have less of this crap anf accept men like female pics and vice versa.
But men baring their chests isn't considered sexual. They do it all the time when it's sunny or on the beach or at the swimming pool etc. For your ideal of equality men would have to cover their chests up and make baring them titillation or boobs will have to lose their sexual appeal so women can walk round naked from the waist up like men do.
Really? Not according to the myriad of coca cola adds! What could be described as the most iconic company in the word used the provocative of a man removing a wet top to sell cans of diet to women would pretty much confirm the opposite. "
Confirms nothing. Most women don't wank over a diet add. If the add was reversed sales of Kleenex would increase because half of the population were knocking one out over norks at 10:30 |
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I have another tit bit to throw in. I have no clear stand on this but just like go throw arguments out there 
Why is it the responsibility of shop owners and magazine editors to censor what your children see and the views they generate from those images?
Surely as a parent you should be educating your children in acceptable social attitudes regardless of what Zoo and Nuts put on the front of their magazines.
Is this just another way of removing parental responsibility Just like sex education being left yo schools etc?? |
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Parents should educate their children I agree that's partly why I hold the opinions I do and my children also. However it's the public and general acceptance if women as sex objects that people are exposed to that engenders the lack of respect so often shown to women and makes tacit sexism acceptable in the mainstream or certainly contributes to it that I object to. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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So if my child wants some sweeties then he or she has to put up with pornographic material
I think with the advent of other media like Internet that the argument of portraying pornographic material in high street shops is a nonsense.
If you want to view these images you can and you make a conscious decision to do that. This is exactly my argument with the high street. People view these images whether they want to or not. I personally think that's unfair. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It seems as though some feminist groups have got their nickers in a twist about lads mags that feature naked women on the front covers(nuts,Zoo etc), because they think shop workers being made to handle these could sue because of sex discrimation or sex harassment laws.
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Good job doctors and nurses can cope with the sight of nakedness without resorting to claims their inner sensibilities risk being violated on a daily basis  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I didn't know that porn mags still existed - I thought they would be out of business with the internet.
a naked breast or torso is not sexual per se. it is playing with it that is sexual.
go to the beach in france.
go to a sauna in Austria.
men and women walk around naked in a perfectly normal way and once we brits get used to it it ceases to become sexual.
doesnt hiding the sweetie jar make kids want sweets all the more? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wow I'm amazed at how many misogynistic guys are in here. Some rather low comments from some posters above
I don't object to any legal soft or hard porn. But there's a time and a place and when the Internet provides such freedom for this, I fail to see why we have to be subjected to this in environments like supermarkets. Certain ethnics who run shops are even worse and display magazines a plenty and DVDs at low level.
No it's not acceptable. And nope I'm not jealous or a Lezza or any of the other ridiculous accusations levied from above. It is exactly that women are being shown as unequal sexual beings and no I don't want this for me or my daughter thank you very much.
This is 2013 boys "
Nor do i want my son taking steroids because he thinks he needs to look like the diet guy or some guy of a perfume ad.
It seems as usual its only sexist when its females on the receiving end |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wow I'm amazed at how many misogynistic guys are in here. Some rather low comments from some posters above
I don't object to any legal soft or hard porn. But there's a time and a place and when the Internet provides such freedom for this, I fail to see why we have to be subjected to this in environments like supermarkets. Certain ethnics who run shops are even worse and display magazines a plenty and DVDs at low level.
No it's not acceptable. And nope I'm not jealous or a Lezza or any of the other ridiculous accusations levied from above. It is exactly that women are being shown as unequal sexual beings and no I don't want this for me or my daughter thank you very much.
This is 2013 boys
Nor do i want my son taking steroids because he thinks he needs to look like the diet guy or some guy of a perfume ad.
It seems as usual its only sexist when its females on the receiving end"
My comments about sexism were aimed at some previous posters above. Yes I find done of those comments very sexist. I made no comment on male nudity as the post is aimed at men's magazines. Thank you very much. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wow I'm amazed at how many misogynistic guys are in here. Some rather low comments from some posters above
I don't object to any legal soft or hard porn. But there's a time and a place and when the Internet provides such freedom for this, I fail to see why we have to be subjected to this in environments like supermarkets. Certain ethnics who run shops are even worse and display magazines a plenty and DVDs at low level.
No it's not acceptable. And nope I'm not jealous or a Lezza or any of the other ridiculous accusations levied from above. It is exactly that women are being shown as unequal sexual beings and no I don't want this for me or my daughter thank you very much.
This is 2013 boys
Nor do i want my son taking steroids because he thinks he needs to look like the diet guy or some guy of a perfume ad.
It seems as usual its only sexist when its females on the receiving end"
Sadly your right on that part there are so many bitter people who hate for various reasons and franky haven't even looked to see what its all about. Any magazines are kept high up out of sight for kids aka the term top shelf the whole issue is about High street retailers are exposing staff and in some cases customers to publications whose handling and display may breach equality legislation. Yet clearly there hasn't been the same uproar about the diet adds that constantly play pre watershed. At this rate it will be compulsory burkas for all but no doubt the pc brigade won't like that either. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wow I'm amazed at how many misogynistic guys are in here. Some rather low comments from some posters above
I don't object to any legal soft or hard porn. But there's a time and a place and when the Internet provides such freedom for this, I fail to see why we have to be subjected to this in environments like supermarkets. Certain ethnics who run shops are even worse and display magazines a plenty and DVDs at low level.
No it's not acceptable. And nope I'm not jealous or a Lezza or any of the other ridiculous accusations levied from above. It is exactly that women are being shown as unequal sexual beings and no I don't want this for me or my daughter thank you very much.
This is 2013 boys
Nor do i want my son taking steroids because he thinks he needs to look like the diet guy or some guy of a perfume ad.
It seems as usual its only sexist when its females on the receiving end
My comments about sexism were aimed at some previous posters above. Yes I find done of those comments very sexist. I made no comment on male nudity as the post is aimed at men's magazines. Thank you very much. "
So yours is a personal snipe at other posters then is that not against the forum rules? |
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About 1% of the reasons above are really what the objections are about.
Most of what is above has been fabricated from? ..... your guess is as good as mine.
I doubt if even those spouting mistruths know exactly why they do it either but it's frightening that they do.
They ooze unsubtantiable , fear filled garbage with venom equal to that of bitter , hate filled zealots.
Re read the posts above. Note how many times women and women's groups are misquoted, misrepresented and have accusations about them made for which there is not one shred of evidence.
Opinions are not facts. They do often reveal the characters of who you sit with here from day to day and to a lesser extent who you have the misfortune to meet with.
I'm seldom surprised by the mysoginistic attitudes of some on here. Nor am I surprised by females that support such tripe because they fear not having the 'adoration' of a man; ANY man. They even like attention of men that are so unsure of their own status that they need to veto women , revile their every attempt to be women and be respected for being women.
I haven't commented on the lads mags issue and don't know whether I will.
If i do, it will be a comment based on gleaned facts, without bias , without too much ignorance and certainly without hate. |
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" About 1% of the reasons above are really what the objections are about.
Most of what is above has been fabricated from? ..... your guess is as good as mine.
I doubt if even those spouting mistruths know exactly why they do it either but it's frightening that they do.
They ooze unsubtantiable , fear filled garbage with venom equal to that of bitter , hate filled zealots.
Re read the posts above. Note how many times women and women's groups are misquoted, misrepresented and have accusations about them made for which there is not one shred of evidence.
Opinions are not facts. They do often reveal the characters of who you sit with here from day to day and to a lesser extent who you have the misfortune to meet with.
I'm seldom surprised by the mysoginistic attitudes of some on here. Nor am I surprised by females that support such tripe because they fear not having the 'adoration' of a man; ANY man. They even like attention of men that are so unsure of their own status that they need to veto women , revile their every attempt to be women and be respected for being women.
I haven't commented on the lads mags issue and don't know whether I will.
If i do, it will be a comment based on gleaned facts, without bias , without too much ignorance and certainly without hate. "
As many are unsurprised by the man haters who twist and misquote the facts there is far too much ignorance spouting poppycock about adoration driving people to have views other than their own. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So using the logic of the feminist brigade on this issue will pictures of men showing bodies also be targeted i think not.
Folk should tell the politicsl correctness crew to fuck off if women really want the equality they should have then lets have less of this crap anf accept men like female pics and vice versa.
But men baring their chests isn't considered sexual. They do it all the time when it's sunny or on the beach or at the swimming pool etc. For your ideal of equality men would have to cover their chests up and make baring them titillation or boobs will have to lose their sexual appeal so women can walk round naked from the waist up like men do.
Really? Not according to the myriad of coca cola adds! What could be described as the most iconic company in the word used the provocative of a man removing a wet top to sell cans of diet to women would pretty much confirm the opposite. "
ooooh but isn't he sooo hot!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It seems as though some feminist groups have got their nickers in a twist about lads mags that feature naked women on the front covers(nuts,Zoo etc), because they think shop workers being made to handle these could sue because of sex discrimation or sex harassment laws.
While i agree these should be kept from the reach of under age children, will these feminist groups demand the shop workers can refuse to handle books like 50 shades of grey as well? "
i remember having one on my desk at work once (i had my own office) which id just purchased and my boss going mental about it.
i ain't brought one in years..... Best to just follow Nuts and Zoo on Twitter |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"Wow I'm amazed at how many misogynistic guys are in here. Some rather low comments from some posters above
I don't object to any legal soft or hard porn. But there's a time and a place and when the Internet provides such freedom for this, I fail to see why we have to be subjected to this in environments like supermarkets. Certain ethnics who run shops are even worse and display magazines a plenty and DVDs at low level.
No it's not acceptable. And nope I'm not jealous or a Lezza or any of the other ridiculous accusations levied from above. It is exactly that women are being shown as unequal sexual beings and no I don't want this for me or my daughter thank you very much.
This is 2013 boys
Nor do i want my son taking steroids because he thinks he needs to look like the diet guy or some guy of a perfume ad.
It seems as usual its only sexist when its females on the receiving end
My comments about sexism were aimed at some previous posters above. Yes I find done of those comments very sexist. I made no comment on male nudity as the post is aimed at men's magazines. Thank you very much.
So yours is a personal snipe at other posters then is that not against the forum rules? "
I think you are mis reading, the person is commenting on other peoples posts....that is fine for a forum. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wow I'm amazed at how many misogynistic guys are in here. Some rather low comments from some posters above
I don't object to any legal soft or hard porn. But there's a time and a place and when the Internet provides such freedom for this, I fail to see why we have to be subjected to this in environments like supermarkets. Certain ethnics who run shops are even worse and display magazines a plenty and DVDs at low level.
No it's not acceptable. And nope I'm not jealous or a Lezza or any of the other ridiculous accusations levied from above. It is exactly that women are being shown as unequal sexual beings and no I don't want this for me or my daughter thank you very much.
This is 2013 boys
Nor do i want my son taking steroids because he thinks he needs to look like the diet guy or some guy of a perfume ad.
It seems as usual its only sexist when its females on the receiving end
My comments about sexism were aimed at some previous posters above. Yes I find done of those comments very sexist. I made no comment on male nudity as the post is aimed at men's magazines. Thank you very much.
So yours is a personal snipe at other posters then is that not against the forum rules?
I think you are mis reading, the person is commenting on other peoples posts....that is fine for a forum."
Oh I thought the op said "previous posters" not previous comments. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think maybe a bit of pedantics going on.
I often say previous poster and not posts, but it doesn't mean it is having a pop at that person, just answering their post."
An interesting interpretation. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"I think maybe a bit of pedantics going on.
I often say previous poster and not posts, but it doesn't mean it is having a pop at that person, just answering their post."
PS...the second sentance of the persons post confirms it is what she thinks are sexist comments she is commenting on. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"I think maybe a bit of pedantics going on.
I often say previous poster and not posts, but it doesn't mean it is having a pop at that person, just answering their post. An interesting interpretation."
We can't all be perfect, sometimes we don't write the way you would like.
Attacking a post is fine, attacking a poster isn't....as far as I can see the person commenting on the post that she/he deemed sexist.
If you don't agree, report the post and let Admin take a look.
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By *ugby 123Couple
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I think if there is still a market for lads mags then why should they be banned.
The women posing for them normally make money how they want to so I don't get the whole degrading to women bit....they obviously don't think it is degrading for them.
For the people who have to sell them, they probably knew the shop sold them before they got the job.
I do think they should be on the top shelf though, as although one poster ( not sure who without going back ) said that parents should educate their kids about mags like these....sometimes a child isn't old enough to be told certain things and I for one wouldn't have told my young kids of four why men like to see womens boobs out on mags.
Either way I think it is PC gone mad. |
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"The whole concept of "lads mags" irks me. If these magazines are a truly acceptable appreciation of healthy sexual attitude then why are they only for lads?"
There has been in the past I don't know if it sold well or not but I think one was scarlet or velvet or something like. I dont think the publishers have a lads only attitude they would be happy for ladies to read too and some do read. |
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"I think you can get womens ones too  "
But they are usually harder to obtain, have more discreet covers and don't seem to raise issues of prudish, nudity hating men who should lighten up and get a grip cos it's only natural... |
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"i dont take any notice of them, i am more concerned about ilegal internet porn, a lot of girls walk around half naked anyway dont they?"
Good point if all this effort was put into making sure under 18s cant access hardcore porn it would be better spent. |
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"Feminists play the victim when it suits. They get there own way and protected far far too much. "
Thanks for the insight.
Please can you share some well known examples where feminists play victim and explain the levels to which society protects them 'far far too much'.
Could you please also let me know what they need protection from ?
I'd be most grateful. |
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Sales of lads’ mags have dropped significantly in the past few years. Nuts sold just 80,186 by the end of 2012, down 30 per cent in one year. FHM was down 18.5 per cent to about 115,000, and Zoo was down 19.3 per cent to 44,068.
Vive le internet ??
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think you can get womens ones too
But they are usually harder to obtain, have more discreet covers and don't seem to raise issues of prudish, nudity hating men who should lighten up and get a grip cos it's only natural..."
Still it shows they arnt only available for lads. Obtain well not sure but I do know I have seen them a few years back in a small local called Tescos. Top shelf they should all be for sure though. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"I think you can get womens ones too
But they are usually harder to obtain, have more discreet covers and don't seem to raise issues of prudish, nudity hating men who should lighten up and get a grip cos it's only natural..."
I think it is probably more they are not as popular as the lads mags so people don't often sell them
I don't know if they are covered up better or not as I can't say I have noticed any, same as I don't the mens mags if they are along the top shelf.
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Parents with children in primary schools have the choice as to whether or not their child takes part in sex education. The materials used are made available for parents to view so that they can make an informed choice. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Sales of lads’ mags have dropped significantly in the past few years. Nuts sold just 80,186 by the end of 2012, down 30 per cent in one year. FHM was down 18.5 per cent to about 115,000, and Zoo was down 19.3 per cent to 44,068.
Vive le internet ??
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Probably....why pay if it can be got for free. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"what about the nudity you see on embarasing bodies then, no difference if you ask me."
Its graphic it displays peoples problems for others to gowp at and in my opinion bad taste maybe you could say it is unfair on the camera man and sound man I guess. |
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I thought this was being raised by some lawyers, who felt that it was potentially infringing womens rights.
Though over in Iceland, they're considering porn bans... in an attempt to protect children. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/25/iceland-seeks-internet-pornography-ban That's a bigger mine-field, as porn is likely more essential than loaded etc |
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"Sales of lads’ mags have dropped significantly in the past few years. Nuts sold just 80,186 by the end of 2012, down 30 per cent in one year. FHM was down 18.5 per cent to about 115,000, and Zoo was down 19.3 per cent to 44,068.
Vive le internet ??
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The issue is not circulation figures. |
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"Sales of lads’ mags have dropped significantly in the past few years. Nuts sold just 80,186 by the end of 2012, down 30 per cent in one year. FHM was down 18.5 per cent to about 115,000, and Zoo was down 19.3 per cent to 44,068.
Vive le internet ??
The issue is not circulation figures. "
What is the issue ? |
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"I think if there is still a market for lads mags then why should they be banned.
The women posing for them normally make money how they want to so I don't get the whole degrading to women bit....they obviously don't think it is degrading for them.
For the people who have to sell them, they probably knew the shop sold them before they got the job.
I do think they should be on the top shelf though, as although one poster ( not sure who without going back ) said that parents should educate their kids about mags like these....sometimes a child isn't old enough to be told certain things and I for one wouldn't have told my young kids of four why men like to see womens boobs out on mags.
Either way I think it is PC gone mad."
I think they should be allowed to be sold and women can do what they want as far as jobs. Nude modelling, anything they like. (As long as they are not forced into it.)
I just don't think magazines with semi naked people should be on open display at supermarkets where little kids are. Primary school kids may well be taught sex education but most aren't mature enough to understand properly. |
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In all shops I use with the exception of licensed sex shops the real "soft porn" / "glamour" magazines are on the top shelf in bags that cover all but the title, I have to confess I have not bought one of the magazines for decades so have no real idea of content. and I don't know if there is a room full of impressionable child labourers in the back room of all shops putting them in bags or if that is how they are supplied.
I have taken the first paragraph of the BBC News item on this subject, it may still be out of context or just wrong... but hey got to start with something.
"Retailers are being warned they could face legal action if they continue to sell magazines showing images of naked and semi-naked women."
now given the semi-naked part of that phrase, and that they are not concerned about if it's the cover picture or content that would actually cover just about all general and fashion interest womens magazines. Almost all perfume adverts would be included.
This will probably come to nothing, but the scatter gun approach may also miss fire and take out a lot more than intended.
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To the posts above decrying that exposure to children, I have to ask why do you use the shops if it's an issue to you?
If your child demanded sweets whilst passing an Anne Summers, would you take them in and buy them a cock shaped lollypop? or would you say in a minute and take them to a more suitable shop? |
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Another question: why is it that afficionadoes of 'lads mags' are exhibiting healthy sexual attitudes yet any criticism is often derided as political correctness gone mad or jealous feminist rantings or right wing lezzas?
Why do personal insults figure so strongly in what should be an open and constructive debate? |
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"maybe if more mens mags showing there bit be ok not just woman? just as long as under age cant see .."
As many posters on here have stated they find torso / bums much sexier than cock pics. I don't expect to see many magazine publishers / advertisers missing that opportunity. nor do I really expect to see women corrupted by the imagery so all men feel the need to oil up and airbrush in their abbs. shadows to stand a chance  |
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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago
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If we aren't too carefull we could be sleepwalking into a life where evrything is bland and grey so that nothing exists in public which could upset any minority group or individual to the point where they feel compelled to submit a claim for mental or emotional pain caused by them being over-stimulated by its presence.
There has to be some point where the public say eneough is enough and stop the government from going PC to the point where everything is so bland; life will not be worth living. |
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"I thought this was being raised by some lawyers, who felt that it was potentially infringing womens rights.
Though over in Iceland, they're considering porn bans... in an attempt to protect children. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/25/iceland-seeks-internet-pornography-ban That's a bigger mine-field, as porn is likely more essential than loaded etc"
It was started by about fourteen or fifteen Equality Lawyers. A mix of males and females.
They are not involved in any arguments about the objectification of women but they are warning businesses that they are possibly in breach of a law , existant since 2010.
It's been interesting to me that most posters seem to take for granted that feminists began the approach or warning to stockists and also seem to think that is only women and children who are to be 'saved' from handling magazines.
Part of the issue is that there are many people in society who would object to being exposed to this kind of material on a daily basis in their job. This includes MALES and FEMALES and both genders of differing religious persuasions.
Feminista and I think it's 'Object' have joined forces with the lawyers in highlighting the possible breach.
They are actually warning the stockists that they are leaving themselves open to litigation from MALES or FEMALES.
Feminista do argue that mags are objectifying women and that long term damage is caused to women through the existence of such mags BUT they did not start the campaign they joined an existing campaign.
Unfortunately , media reporting does take up the more inciteful angle and sit back to watch the public bite.
It's so easy to set women against men and men against women. While we are busy fighting and forgetting to be 'people' those who benefit from it can carry on making money.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Another question: why is it that afficionadoes of 'lads mags' are exhibiting healthy sexual attitudes yet any criticism is often derided as political correctness gone mad or jealous feminist rantings or right wing lezzas?
Why do personal insults figure so strongly in what should be an open and constructive debate? "
Ask your self which group are championing this issue, which group are wanting to change what publications do. Lets be honest here there is a real underlining issue here and it is that certain groups do not like these publications, they would like to remove them but at present the law doesn't class them as offensive and allows publication. Is the real issue shop workers being offended by these publications? In the average day are they in reality more likley to be offended by a customer more or line managers?
What you have to appreciate is that people see through the whitewash of this issue to what is really in play and what the real intent is and many find it an affront that some people would happily chose what other people do or don't based on their own moral viewpoints.
In reality these pressure groups would be equally offender and possibly more by this site and swinging in general and a large percentage of people who dislike lads mags would if they could stop people swinging if they could. |
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"Another question: why is it that afficionadoes of 'lads mags' are exhibiting healthy sexual attitudes yet any criticism is often derided as political correctness gone mad or jealous feminist rantings or right wing lezzas?
Why do personal insults figure so strongly in what should be an open and constructive debate? "
Ignorance, fear? You name it.
We still live in a patriarchal society where women continue to be derided ,ridiculed and beaten for having views. |
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"Another question: why is it that afficionadoes of 'lads mags' are exhibiting healthy sexual attitudes yet any criticism is often derided as political correctness gone mad or jealous feminist rantings or right wing lezzas?
Why do personal insults figure so strongly in what should be an open and constructive debate?
Ask your self which group are championing this issue, which group are wanting to change what publications do. Lets be honest here there is a real underlining issue here and it is that certain groups do not like these publications, they would like to remove them but at present the law doesn't class them as offensive and allows publication. Is the real issue shop workers being offended by these publications? In the average day are they in reality more likley to be offended by a customer more or line managers?
What you have to appreciate is that people see through the whitewash of this issue to what is really in play and what the real intent is and many find it an affront that some people would happily chose what other people do or don't based on their own moral viewpoints.
In reality these pressure groups would be equally offender and possibly more by this site and swinging in general and a large percentage of people who dislike lads mags would if they could stop people swinging if they could."
Which group is championing this issue ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Kids see more flesh on display in any town centre then they ever would on a shop shelf.
Perhaps they should censor people...
Government agents following people around with big black rectangles covering anything that may cause offence to anyone. |
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"Kids see more flesh on display in any town centre then they ever would on a shop shelf.
Perhaps they should censor people...
Government agents following people around with big black rectangles covering anything that may cause offence to anyone."
yes your right ... you do get to see all sorts I don't go into town a lot but it can open your eyes on a hot summers day . |
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"Government agents following people around with big black rectangles covering anything that may cause offence to anyone."
Cool, unemployment solved recession over  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Bloomin' workers should put the mags straight onto the top shelf and stop leafing through them for a look-see!
Maybe if publishers sealed them in partly opaque bags or had a wide band around the middle section of the mag it would protect workers and kids from seeing the naughtiest bits. Only the hard core followers would see once they have purchased said mags. |
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"We could take the other more efficient angle and just supply everyone with blacked out glasses."
If you are doing that..... who is supplying the white sticks?
You really haven't thought this through. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Have the freanch got it right being more open about sex and more into nacher ? Not read all this post but the body is a lovely thing to look at .. and not just for sex ,  |
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"We could take the other more efficient angle and just supply everyone with blacked out glasses.
If you are doing that..... who is supplying the white sticks?
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Anne Summers ........ get your vibrating white sticks here ..... read all about it! |
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"We could take the other more efficient angle and just supply everyone with blacked out glasses.
If you are doing that..... who is supplying the white sticks?
Anne Summers ........ get your vibrating white sticks here ..... read all about it! "
Of course! We'd be able to hear them as well.
Laine for Prime Minister ! |
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"We could take the other more efficient angle and just supply everyone with blacked out glasses.
If you are doing that..... who is supplying the white sticks?
Anne Summers ........ get your vibrating white sticks here ..... read all about it! "
God that would really make your eyes water if that BIG , lol Maybe glow in the dark too ,lol come in handy . |
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"Anne Summers ........ get your vibrating white sticks here ..... read all about it! God that would really make your eyes water if that BIG , lol Maybe glow in the dark too ,lol come in handy . "
Now I can't shift the image of Vibrating light sabres as the whole population re-enacts star wars fights.
Um what was the subject again
May the force be with you... |
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i think a lot of parents teach their kids to be hung up about nudity and sex.
i think people would be happier if they
didnt take it so seriously and werent made to feel ashamed about it.
there are a lot worse things going on in the world after all than to be worrying about a few magazines. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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Not read the article so hard for me to really give much of a response. However, being a feminist (and have been since I was 18) I can understand, totally, one particular argument. It is the objectifying of women's bodies. We see it all over in our culture. It IS a relevant argument and an issue which everyone should care about. It is very complicated and this really is not the forum for any lengthy discussion on the subject. It can take in such issues as pornography, use of female body parts to advertise anything, the issue of body dysmorphia (sp?) in younger women, the way women feel pressured to look a particular type of 'perfect', etc, etc.
Should they be banned? Not sure, to be honest. But have to say I find they make me uneasy. Does porn (which is what it really is) belong in a newsagent's? |
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" About 1% of the reasons above are really what the objections are about.
Most of what is above has been fabricated from? ..... your guess is as good as mine.
I doubt if even those spouting mistruths know exactly why they do it either but it's frightening that they do.
They ooze unsubtantiable , fear filled garbage with venom equal to that of bitter , hate filled zealots.
Re read the posts above. Note how many times women and women's groups are misquoted, misrepresented and have accusations about them made for which there is not one shred of evidence.
Opinions are not facts. They do often reveal the characters of who you sit with here from day to day and to a lesser extent who you have the misfortune to meet with.
I'm seldom surprised by the mysoginistic attitudes of some on here. Nor am I surprised by females that support such tripe because they fear not having the 'adoration' of a man; ANY man. They even like attention of men that are so unsure of their own status that they need to veto women , revile their every attempt to be women and be respected for being women.
I haven't commented on the lads mags issue and don't know whether I will.
If i do, it will be a comment based on gleaned facts, without bias , without too much ignorance and certainly without hate.
As many are unsurprised by the man haters who twist and misquote the facts there is far too much ignorance spouting poppycock about adoration driving people to have views other than their own. "
Men haters eh?!!! I chose to work in a male dominated environment and have been happily doing so for over 20 years.
No the issue is not nudity as has already been said. I'm no prude and I view porn myself. I don't wear dungarees and I'm not just viewing lesbian porn either
Applaud you granny on your comnents above, I think you're right. I'm sure some women aren't bothered but I think that others feel they have to side with the guys and be " cool" about this issue.
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"To the posts above decrying that exposure to children, I have to ask why do you use the shops if it's an issue to you?
If your child demanded sweets whilst passing an Anne Summers, would you take them in and buy them a cock shaped lollypop? or would you say in a minute and take them to a more suitable shop? "
is disgusting. What a vile thing to say let alone think. Why do I take my child to a supermarket ??? And what shop is more suitable than a supermarket to buy groceries from pray tell.
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" About 1% of the reasons above are really what the objections are about.
Most of what is above has been fabricated from? ..... your guess is as good as mine.
I doubt if even those spouting mistruths know exactly why they do it either but it's frightening that they do.
They ooze unsubtantiable , fear filled garbage with venom equal to that of bitter , hate filled zealots.
Re read the posts above. Note how many times women and women's groups are misquoted, misrepresented and have accusations about them made for which there is not one shred of evidence.
Opinions are not facts. They do often reveal the characters of who you sit with here from day to day and to a lesser extent who you have the misfortune to meet with.
I'm seldom surprised by the mysoginistic attitudes of some on here. Nor am I surprised by females that support such tripe because they fear not having the 'adoration' of a man; ANY man. They even like attention of men that are so unsure of their own status that they need to veto women , revile their every attempt to be women and be respected for being women.
I haven't commented on the lads mags issue and don't know whether I will.
If i do, it will be a comment based on gleaned facts, without bias , without too much ignorance and certainly without hate.
As many are unsurprised by the man haters who twist and misquote the facts there is far too much ignorance spouting poppycock about adoration driving people to have views other than their own.
Men haters eh?!!! I chose to work in a male dominated environment and have been happily doing so for over 20 years.
No the issue is not nudity as has already been said. I'm no prude and I view porn myself. I don't wear dungarees and I'm not just viewing lesbian porn either
Applaud you granny on your comnents above, I think you're right. I'm sure some women aren't bothered but I think that others feel they have to side with the guys and be " cool" about this issue.
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Far from it many of us have our own opinion and balk at the lengths some go to force their viewpoint on others and to say people are trying to be cook about it shows how far out of touch you are with people. |
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"No more than you are out of touch. "
Really most would claim the opposite but there and again you are trying to force your opinions on others rather than let people have an opinion.
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"To the posts above decrying that exposure to children, I have to ask why do you use the shops if it's an issue to you?
If your child demanded sweets whilst passing an Anne Summers, would you take them in and buy them a cock shaped lollypop? or would you say in a minute and take them to a more suitable shop?
is disgusting. What a vile thing to say let alone think. Why do I take my child to a supermarket ??? And what shop is more suitable than a supermarket to buy groceries from pray tell.
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Using the Simpsons cry of "what about the children" simply shifts your responsibility onto society as a whole.
Yes it is disgusting... BUT so is using children as a reason why shops shouldn't sell what they like! The point I was making is YOU choose which shop to take your charges into, and it's your responsibility not the shop keepers, of course as a business if enough people boycott then things often change.
As someone else commented the issue of feminism and the effect of photographs of models in any context who are a stylised version of what the photographer / dress designer thinks women should look like is a complex subject and not 100% relevant to this topic. |
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" The point I was making is YOU choose which shop to take your charges into, and it's your responsibility not the shop keepers, of course as a business if enough people boycott then things often change.
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And is that an informed choice? Do I know whether images I do not wish my children to be exposed to will be inappropriately displayed before I enter?
If newsagents wish to place a sign on the entry door stating "material of an adult nature on display on these premises" then I would have the facts to hand and could make an informed decision.
But they don't because they know that this would result in reduced trade.
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"It seems as though some feminist groups have got their nickers in a twist about lads mags that feature naked women on the front covers(nuts,Zoo etc), because they think shop workers being made to handle these could sue because of sex discrimation or sex harassment laws.
While i agree these should be kept from the reach of under age children, will these feminist groups demand the shop workers can refuse to handle books like 50 shades of grey as well? "
what about anti smokers, what about Catholics working at chemists selling contraceptives, people who don't drink and don't want to sell alcohol working at the local supermarket, it could get really silly  |
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People complain about allsorts it will never stop! As long as there high and out of way no harm done!
We all have the right to buy and choose as we wish amd should not have the right taken from us!
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"i think a lot of parents teach their kids to be hung up about nudity and sex.
i think people would be happier if they
didnt take it so seriously and werent made to feel ashamed about it.
there are a lot worse things going on in the world after all than to be worrying about a few magazines."
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