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Yes. Quantum teleportation is a thing - particles existing in two places at once. We’ve hardly scratched the surface of course, but with the rise of AI and with quantum computing moving closer to practical applications… watch this space. |
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No, because of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
Star Trek even had Heisenberg Compensators
(The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is a concept in physics that says you can't know certain properties of a tiny particle, like its position and speed, simultaneously with perfect accuracy. Basically, measuring one property can disturb the other, making it impossible to know both precisely at the same time.) |
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"No, because of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
Star Trek even had Heisenberg Compensators
(The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is a concept in physics that says you can't know certain properties of a tiny particle, like its position and speed, simultaneously with perfect accuracy. Basically, measuring one property can disturb the other, making it impossible to know both precisely at the same time.)"
Exactly this! |
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"Do you think it'll ever be possible to have a star trek style transporter?"
Nope, breaking down matter is one thing... Rebuilding it in exactly the same structures and position is nigh on impossible, cool concept though... We are probably more likely to be able to time travel than transport from one place to another. 🥴 |
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"Doesn't the transporter break you down and reassemble you? So are you even the same person after every use, aren't you just a clone of yourself?"
But then, would that matter? (Pun not intended.)
More importantly, would you trust the transporter company to destroy the old you? And to not make multiple clones? How would you ever know? How you feel to find out, years later, that they’d been selling clones of you to work in the mines, or to do depraved sex work for cheap? |
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By *avinaTVTV/TS 1 week ago
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"Doesn't the transporter break you down and reassemble you? So are you even the same person after every use, aren't you just a clone of yourself?"
Yes. This always made me wonder about this tech. Effectively anyone using it gets killed when they're disintegrated, and a copy of them with the same memories is reintegrated and carries on at the receiving station. I certainly wouldn't step into one. Anyway, Bones was always sceptical about having his molecules scrambled. If you ask me, Reg Barclay was right to be scared of transporters.
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By *aizyWoman 1 week ago
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"Doesn't the transporter break you down and reassemble you? So are you even the same person after every use, aren't you just a clone of yourself?
But then, would that matter? (Pun not intended.)
More importantly, would you trust the transporter company to destroy the old you? And to not make multiple clones? How would you ever know? How you feel to find out, years later, that they’d been selling clones of you to work in the mines, or to do depraved sex work for cheap?"
Or even worse one of your clones is richer and more successful than you! 😱😆 |
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By *aizyWoman 1 week ago
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"Doesn't the transporter break you down and reassemble you? So are you even the same person after every use, aren't you just a clone of yourself?
Yes. This always made me wonder about this tech. Effectively anyone using it gets killed when they're disintegrated, and a copy of them with the same memories is reintegrated and carries on at the receiving station. I certainly wouldn't step into one. Anyway, Bones was always sceptical about having his molecules scrambled. If you ask me, Reg Barclay was right to be scared of transporters.
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Yep, I'm with you and Bones I wouldn't get in one. |
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By *INTMan 1 week ago
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"Do you think it'll ever be possible to have a star trek style transporter?
Nope, breaking down matter is one thing... Rebuilding it in exactly the same structures and position is nigh on impossible, cool concept though... We are probably more likely to be able to time travel than transport from one place to another. 🥴"
Or take an inifine universes concept - you don't *actually* travel through time but rather to a point in a different universe which is almost identical to the one you're in in every way.
This allows for the solution of all sorts of time travel paradoxes as well. So even if you fuck up in one universe with extremely negative consequences, you can jump back to another universe to a point prior to the decision which led to the cataclysmic series of events.
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"Or even worse one of your clones is richer and more successful than you! 😱😆"
Or maybe you *are* the clone and because you have the same memories the other you is in what you remember as being *your* house, fucking your partner and raising your kids. |
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"So even if you fuck up in one universe with extremely negative consequences, you can jump back to another universe to a point prior to the decision which led to the cataclysmic series of events. "
Like going UNLOS and starting back up on Fab with a new account? Gotcha. |
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Can you imagine if a few atoms escaped, you'd be missing something. Or worse, they got mixed up with someone else's... You'd have an extra nose or ear...
Though no mouth and an extra vagina sounds like a great comprise! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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By *aizyWoman 1 week ago
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"Or even worse one of your clones is richer and more successful than you! 😱😆
Or maybe you *are* the clone and because you have the same memories the other you is in what you remember as being *your* house, fucking your partner and raising your kids."
I'm just getting confused now, see this is why I don't watch things like Star Trek! |
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By *aizyWoman 1 week ago
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"Can you imagine if a few atoms escaped, you'd be missing something. Or worse, they got mixed up with someone else's... You'd have an extra nose or ear...
Though no mouth and an extra vagina sounds like a great comprise! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣"
Remember what happened in The Fly! 😱 |
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By *avinaTVTV/TS 1 week ago
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"Can you imagine if a few atoms escaped, you'd be missing something. Or worse, they got mixed up with someone else's... You'd have an extra nose or ear...
Though no mouth and an extra vagina sounds like a great comprise! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣"
I saw The Fly 😱😳 |
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"Without being able to carry consciousness to the new reassembled you it won't be you. Since consciousness isn't physical I fail to see how transportation would work "
How do you know consciousness isn’t physical? Where does it reside if not in your brain and body? |
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"Without being able to carry consciousness to the new reassembled you it won't be you. Since consciousness isn't physical I fail to see how transportation would work
How do you know consciousness isn’t physical? Where does it reside if not in your brain and body?"
Really good question... Like a memory... It must be a physical existence ( chemically in the brain)..🤔 |
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"No, because of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
Star Trek even had Heisenberg Compensators
(The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is a concept in physics that says you can't know certain properties of a tiny particle, like its position and speed, simultaneously with perfect accuracy. Basically, measuring one property can disturb the other, making it impossible to know both precisely at the same time.)"
When asked about Heisenberg compensators, Michael Okuda, the technical consultant for Star Trek, famously replied, "It works very well, thank you”. This response became a reference point for how the technical details of Star Trek were handled, often implying that the scientific explanation was complex but ultimately effective |
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By *avinaTVTV/TS 1 week ago
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"Without being able to carry consciousness to the new reassembled you it won't be you. Since consciousness isn't physical I fail to see how transportation would work
How do you know consciousness isn’t physical? Where does it reside if not in your brain and body?"
I think it's more correct to say it's physical, but ephemeral, in that it consists of a web of electro-chemical impulses and currents. To duplicate that, you'd have to duplicate the exact set of electrical relationships in the target's body at the point of disintegration. This is where the Heisenberg uncertainty principle comes in, making transportation impossible. All you'd get at the other end is an inert, dead collection of cells in the shape of the subject. |
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"Without being able to carry consciousness to the new reassembled you it won't be you. Since consciousness isn't physical I fail to see how transportation would work
How do you know consciousness isn’t physical? Where does it reside if not in your brain and body?
I think it's more correct to say it's physical, but ephemeral, in that it consists of a web of electro-chemical impulses and currents. To duplicate that, you'd have to duplicate the exact set of electrical relationships in the target's body at the point of disintegration. This is where the Heisenberg uncertainty principle comes in, making transportation impossible. All you'd get at the other end is an inert, dead collection of cells in the shape of the subject. "
That's exactly the problem... Putting it all back together in the same way...
We can already break down matter now..solid, liquid,gas... All things are effected by temperature... simply setting fire to something breaks it down and releases atoms and leaves behind the carbon atoms... But putting it back together....nope.🥴 |
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"No, because of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
Star Trek even had Heisenberg Compensators
(The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is a concept in physics that says you can't know certain properties of a tiny particle, like its position and speed, simultaneously with perfect accuracy. Basically, measuring one property can disturb the other, making it impossible to know both precisely at the same time.)"
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Ok maybe it's beyond our current comprehension and understanding at this moment in time, but look how far science has progressed in the last two hundred years,50,40,30 years....
Imagine having a smartphone in the early 80's? We'd be like WTF!
OBVIOUSLY matter transference is far more complicated, but let's jump 1000 years into the future assuming we haven't all been blown to kingdom come or victims of a virus think of how much further our technology will have advanced and our understanding of EVERYTHING it's possible that many things that are currently science fiction could be very real.
I mean it's only just over 100 year's since the first manned flight,look how far we've come since.
1000 year's form now??? |
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"Without being able to carry consciousness to the new reassembled you it won't be you. Since consciousness isn't physical I fail to see how transportation would work
How do you know consciousness isn’t physical? Where does it reside if not in your brain and body?"
It's called the "Hard problem of consciousness" for a reason. It cannot be proven either way. Even Erwin Schrödinger strongly believed that consciousness can't be physical or at least the way science works today cannot understand consciousness. |
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