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Not what you may think!
Due to the financial crisis the country is in, you'd have to be living in outer space not to realise taxes are going to be increased at some stage, seeing as a member of the opposition have now declared taxes will be going up should they win the next election, has being honest done them any favours? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I truly believe honesty must always prevail......
on tax returns etc etc...
if yu fiddle 5p on a monday and get away with it...
yu will fiddle 10p on a tuesday..
15p on wed....... and a slippy road down from there.... |
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Well i dont do politics, reason is no matter who is in power money has to be found from somewhere. I do however, think that the country should be run by someone whose lived in the real world and knows about life.
For example when i worked in the hospital the budget for buffets for meetings could have bought some life saving equipment |
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By *ebzStarWoman
over a year ago
Notting |
Diamonds- again i agree with you here hun.
Politics is a funny subject that a lot of people wish to not get invollved in - yet it affects ALL our lives.
BUT
Aha - here is the BUT
Prefer a peachy BUTT myself....
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BUTT
IF
They actually DID have this war room they talk of =- where ALL get involved and ALL ideas are discussed and chewed over,
If they designated people on each erea, that they are specifically knowledgeable about - then all in each area would benefit.
When i worked in charity - the "goveners" who controlled our spendature but had never worked in the company at all!!! Was a bloody farce!!!
Still laugh now as how they think they know it all - have these brain storming sessions - but have no brain!!!!
LOL |
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You know what is the biggest laugh, when they go and live on an inner city estate and live of benefits for a week. ANYONE could live on next to nothing for a week what happens when new shoes and clothes are needed or haircuts ect and what about christmas's. School uniforms ect like to see them budget for all that |
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For example when i worked in the hospital the budget for buffets for meetings could have bought some life saving equipment"
I have seen the remains of those meetings and it sickens me that training sessions that are needed by staff to keep them updated are cancelled for months at a time due to financial reasons,but the budget for fancy food for the managers "meetings" seems to be a bottomless pit  |
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For example when i worked in the hospital the budget for buffets for meetings could have bought some life saving equipment
I have seen the remains of those meetings and it sickens me that training sessions that are needed by staff to keep them updated are cancelled for months at a time due to financial reasons,but the budget for fancy food for the managers "meetings" seems to be a bottomless pit "
It made me sick as well i have never seen so much food and they had special caters to do it. A cup of tea and a biscuit would have been plenty. I went to one such meeting once and the fresh fruit alone would of fed an army. Tell you what if i run the country they would bloody no about it |
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If someone actually got a manufacturing base back in this bloody country
Then there would be less need ta find jobs involving pointless paperwork and rules for people ta fill
IE jobs for the boys xxx  |
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"You know what is the biggest laugh, when they go and live on an inner city estate and live of benefits for a week"
I've never felt comfortable with these “Publicity” stunts, we have elected inner city Mps why aren't they doing more for their constituents, the sooner MPs are reminded they're roll as an elected member of parliament is to be a servant of the people, not a master of the people. |
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For example when i worked in the hospital the budget for buffets for meetings could have bought some life saving equipment
I have seen the remains of those meetings and it sickens me that training sessions that are needed by staff to keep them updated are cancelled for months at a time due to financial reasons,but the budget for fancy food for the managers "meetings" seems to be a bottomless pit
It made me sick as well i have never seen so much food and they had special caters to do it. A cup of tea and a biscuit would have been plenty. I went to one such meeting once and the fresh fruit alone would of fed an army. Tell you what if i run the country they would bloody no about it"
Shame they don't feed the patients with the same choice of food,instead of giving them tastless airplane food |
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For example when i worked in the hospital the budget for buffets for meetings could have bought some life saving equipment
I have seen the remains of those meetings and it sickens me that training sessions that are needed by staff to keep them updated are cancelled for months at a time due to financial reasons,but the budget for fancy food for the managers "meetings" seems to be a bottomless pit
It made me sick as well i have never seen so much food and they had special caters to do it. A cup of tea and a biscuit would have been plenty. I went to one such meeting once and the fresh fruit alone would of fed an army. Tell you what if i run the country they would bloody no about it
Shame they don't feed the patients with the same choice of food,instead of giving them tastless airplane food "
Do you know, when i had callum he was in special care and i spent all my time there, when i went back to the ward they wouldnt heat something up in the microwave for me for two weeks i lived on next to nothing and no hot food |
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i worked in welsh assembly for six months the wasted food at the meetings there was given to staff who are all over paid anyway, such a waste outside caterers were brought in every time, thats our bliddy council tax paying for that and they get interest free loans |
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By *ebzStarWoman
over a year ago
Notting |
There is far too much greed, big headedness and pain in this country alone - never mind looking further afield.
Its sad.
And the worse people of all are these bloody do gooders who go on about human rights - protecting criminals and the likes, while the families and victims suffer.
Of course i would not like to be wrongly accused of a crime, but if i was one in a million that was - then justice really would be done surely???
I hate the fact our systems are taken the piss out off - and no - no just by the foreigners - most of out unemployed and single mothers are white.
They knoow how to play the system - get owt for nowt, and not pay for nothing.
And oh, the world does owe them a favour you know.
Grrr, sorry, will shut up now  |
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"And the worse people of all are these bloody do gooders who go on about human rights - protecting criminals and the likes, while the families and victims suffer"
We the people have allowed it to happen, no matter which party is in power, Governments will get away with what the people allow, classic case, Thatcher on the poll tax! |
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By *ebzStarWoman
over a year ago
Notting |
"Im not adding to this anymore lol, it all makes my blood boil"
Me too.
And sorry Bi darlings - but we have to vote SOMEONE in - and what bloody choice that is eh????
And by not voting at all its not even classed as a no vote as it is when you go in and destroy your ballot paper - but how many actually go ahead and do that???
HMMMMMMMMMMMM????
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"And sorry Bi darlings - but we have to vote SOMEONE in - and what bloody choice that is eh????"
Mps hold monthly surgeries, if people don't inform their elected MP want they want, there will never be change, the problem with most peeps in this Country, apathy rules most peoples lives. |
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By *ebzStarWoman
over a year ago
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"And sorry Bi darlings - but we have to vote SOMEONE in - and what bloody choice that is eh????
Mps hold monthly surgeries, if people don't inform their elected MP want they want, there will never be change, the problem with most peeps in this Country, apathy rules most peoples lives."
YEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Let's say, for example, that the country was run properly without any of the toffs at the top sticking their noses in the trough. Let's also say that they had to be accountable for every single penny. Let's take it further by reducing their expenses, cutting their wages and putting them on performance related pay.
What would happen?
They'd leave politics and go get a fat cat job in the City.
But who would fill their shoes?
The Loony Left Brigade, that's who!
And then we'd all be paying 60p/£ in stealth taxes to provide for all the lazy, inept and weak who won't, can't or refuse to pay for themselves and their 13 offspring.
We'd have the floodgates opened on immigration and the tide of economic refugees would be so great we'd never be able to close the doors again. All adding to the welfare state. All breeding here and not paying into the system. We'd have committees and associations set up for them and have every single piece of govt literature printed in 30 different langauges with interpeters employed by the taxpayer to make their transition into British life that much more comfortable. Our schools would be overun by them and our culture lost under a deluge of Eastern European 'mix n match', 'who are you' cultural differencies.
The less than qualified politicians would cover up their inadequecies and sweep the truth about the state of the country under the carpet whilst still claiming to be doing a 'good job' for Britain.
Our youth would leave school unable to read or write and, after finding their place in the employment market has been taken by a Pole earning 1/5 of what he would have earned, he will resort to crime with no thought of the consequences. His girlfriend would place an 'order' for whatever they need to feed their 3 kids and he'd break into the corner shop at 3am to get it, knifing anyone who dared to take offence at it.
Maybe the local priest would condone his actions thus inviting anyone else suffering in the same way to act accordingly.
Sound familiar?
Change the rules and you get the smart cats fuck off to the City. Keep the rules as they are and you keep the same snuffling pigs in govt.
Change the way people think and you might just start getting somewhere. |
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"If someone actually got a manufacturing base back in this bloody country
Then there would be less need ta find jobs involving pointless paperwork and rules for people ta fill
IE jobs for the boys xxx "
I do agree with you, but fear that's something much easier said than done.
People in the UK have become used to paying Chinese labour rates for goods bought in this country imported from abroad. Who actually bought MG Rover? Who buys Jaguar now?
We have a massive cultural problem in the UK in that people just like to be negative and slap down anything that comes from the UK.
With minimum wages etc, intended to make things better for people on low incomes, companies trying to compete with the far east on price (because British people always end up buying the cheapest) either close down or move abroad.
Even that insufferable Dyson bloke moved abroad to make his vacuum cleaners because the UK is just too expensive to manufacture things in.
Our problem isn't only that we'd be too expensive to export our produce (which is what we really need - foreign money in, our own money not going out), but also that British people will talk it down and buy cheaper imports anyway.
Jobs for the boys is what's desperately needed here. Not everyone can be in the usual Professions. If it's not public sector work though, then it has to be profitable.
That's just incredibly difficult given the relatively high price of skilled labour and the extremely low price of the equivalent goods on the international market we'd be competing against on our home turf.
Technology (such as CNC manufacturing) has largely improved quality and production by removing the need for a human too.
It would be very difficult now to get any sort of worthwhile (and profitable) manufacturing back up and running in the UK. |
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"Change the way people think and you might just start getting somewhere.
The problem is, you can't educate those that don't want to be educated."
You can influence them though.
Most change comes through a fashio or a trend. Someone picks up on it, gets it in the mainstream and at some point it reaches critical mass and turns into a tipping point. That's what happened with the whole eco-green thing.
What this country needs is someone unimpeachable to stand up and speak for the UK. To make the stand we all want but to do it in a way that allows others to live and work here but under much better conditions. Speaking our langauge should be a prerequisite for coming here. Working in the community should be mandatory if you are out of work - but not as a punishment, as a pleasure, as if you were truly valued. The sense of belonging to society that that would give would be enough to make someone look at their life and see where it's going awry.
But for those who scoff and refuse to adapt, well, their former criminal brothers will be building them a new prison to think it over in. |
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"Let's say, for example, that the country was run properly without any of the toffs at the top sticking their noses in the trough. Let's also say that they had to be accountable for every single penny. Let's take it further by reducing their expenses, cutting their wages and putting them on performance related pay.
What would happen?
They'd leave politics and go get a fat cat job in the City.
But who would fill their shoes?
The Loony Left Brigade, that's who!
And then we'd all be paying 60p/£ in stealth taxes to provide for all the lazy, inept and weak who won't, can't or refuse to pay for themselves and their 13 offspring.
We'd have the floodgates opened on immigration and the tide of economic refugees would be so great we'd never be able to close the doors again. All adding to the welfare state. All breeding here and not paying into the system. We'd have committees and associations set up for them and have every single piece of govt literature printed in 30 different langauges with interpeters employed by the taxpayer to make their transition into British life that much more comfortable. Our schools would be overun by them and our culture lost under a deluge of Eastern European 'mix n match', 'who are you' cultural differencies.
The less than qualified politicians would cover up their inadequecies and sweep the truth about the state of the country under the carpet whilst still claiming to be doing a 'good job' for Britain.
Our youth would leave school unable to read or write and, after finding their place in the employment market has been taken by a Pole earning 1/5 of what he would have earned, he will resort to crime with no thought of the consequences. His girlfriend would place an 'order' for whatever they need to feed their 3 kids and he'd break into the corner shop at 3am to get it, knifing anyone who dared to take offence at it.
Maybe the local priest would condone his actions thus inviting anyone else suffering in the same way to act accordingly.
Sound familiar?
Change the rules and you get the smart cats fuck off to the City. Keep the rules as they are and you keep the same snuffling pigs in govt.
Change the way people think and you might just start getting somewhere."
I agree with everything you've said, but would perhaps pose a hypothetical question...
What if we paid MPs significantly more?
Most of the truely brilliant minds are already in the city, or heading up BAE Systems etc etc. These people, the Alan Sugars of the world, often state when asked about politics that they couldn't afford to be a politician.
Perhaps we're attracting the wrong people into national leadership by pitching the salary at £60,000/year.
Don't get me wrong, £60k is not to be sniffed at and is several times what many families take home, but it's not a dazzling wage. There are many areas of the private sector where that sort of figure truely is a pittence.
Maybe we're attracting the sort of person who thinks £60k would be a great achievement, rather than the sort of clever f**ker who reasonably expects an extra digit on his or her salary as a starting point? |
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"The sense of belonging to society that that would give would be enough to make someone look at their life and see where it's going awry.
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We had that once, and have one person to blame for destroying it: Thatcher! |
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"I agree with everything you've said, but would perhaps pose a hypothetical question...
What if we paid MPs significantly more?
Most of the truely brilliant minds are already in the city, or heading up BAE Systems etc etc. These people, the Alan Sugars of the world, often state when asked about politics that they couldn't afford to be a politician.
Perhaps we're attracting the wrong people into national leadership by pitching the salary at £60,000/year.
Don't get me wrong, £60k is not to be sniffed at and is several times what many families take home, but it's not a dazzling wage. There are many areas of the private sector where that sort of figure truely is a pittence.
Maybe we're attracting the sort of person who thinks £60k would be a great achievement, rather than the sort of clever f**ker who reasonably expects an extra digit on his or her salary as a starting point?"
I couldn't agree with you more but try and run that by the electorate in today's current political climate. It would get short shrift I fear. I'd much rather the Secretary for Employment be someone like Alan Sugar than a ditherer who only got the job because he/she was hopeless in their last cabinet post.
Why is failure often rewarded in this country? I don't get that at all. |
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By *im53Man
over a year ago
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if this does not make sense its because
i`m pissed lol 
the minesters are moved around all the time
how come they know all about transport one week then are suposed to run the health service the next and then moved on to some thing else later
it`s the ones behind them making all the decisions and they do not change no matter what goverment is in power
yes minister was so true to life its a wonder they let it on tv |
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