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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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On news actor william roache aka has been arrested re an alleged sexual assault in the 1960s.
If true and proven then he deserves what the courts decide but what concerns me as a bloke is someone could accuse me or anyone and with it being so long ago how can you disprove it.
I hope to god there is definitive evidence otherwise yet again someone elses name and reputation tarnished.
I am at a loss as to why anyone accused of rape does not get same anonymitity as the alleged victims.
Police have power to place strict bail conditions as example no contact with the alleged victim etc so in my view it is manageable. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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I just saw that. It does seem that anyone involved in television or radio from 1960 onwards is fair game.
Someone had to tell the press - whether that is the police or Ken Roach's own PR we don't know. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its probably some one after some compensation.
I don't think people being questioned or arrested should be named till guilty, its not fair if there innocent |
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By *aturasqCouple
over a year ago
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"Its probably some one after some compensation.
I don't think people being questioned or arrested should be named till guilty, its not fair if there innocent"
Do you think people should make sweeping generalisations about victims of crime all wanting compensation ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I can't be sure of an alibi for 4 months ago let alone 4 decades. No physical evidence, no reliable witness's I fear that if he was not on tv this would have been thrown out by any police station in the world.
Arrest records are public and newspaper researchers scan them for famous names. Can't decide between open and available justice or protection until guilt is proven. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"alleged offence took place in 1967  .the whole historical rape allegations saga gets more farcical by the day.the lawyers will be rubbing there hands"
All this sex business from decades ago is very worrying and seems to be having overtones of Arthur Miller's play The Crucible I feel |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I can't be sure of an alibi for 4 months ago let alone 4 decades. No physical evidence, no reliable witness's I fear that if he was not on tv this would have been thrown out by any police station in the world.
Arrest records are public and newspaper researchers scan them for famous names. Can't decide between open and available justice or protection until guilt is proven. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Its probably some one after some compensation.
I don't think people being questioned or arrested should be named till guilty, its not fair if there innocent
Do you think people should make sweeping generalisations about victims of crime all wanting compensation ? "
No no not at all. Didn't mean to tar with them with the same brush. But id say a few of them are false allegations for a quick payday |
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By *tomComMan
over a year ago
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I wonder if we should have a limitation on the time after an incident that someone can report it?
I mean if I had someone commit a serious crime against me, I would not wait for over 10 years to report it!
I mean after so many years it becomes so hard to prove if you did or did not do something.
All this is going to do is sell more newspapers. Rupert is just going to get richer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I can't be sure of an alibi for 4 months ago let alone 4 decades. No physical evidence, no reliable witness's I fear that if he was not on tv this would have been thrown out by any police station in the world.
Arrest records are public and newspaper researchers scan them for famous names. Can't decide between open and available justice or protection until guilt is proven. "
Arrest records are NOT public. It does not become public until they appear in court. The law will soon be changed to prevent the practise of the police confirming the names of those arrested (when slimey journos say we know its so and so, can you confirm it).
IMHO, it shouldn;t matter what the offence is, no one should be named until they get to court. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I wonder if we should have a limitation on the time after an incident that someone can report it?
I mean if I had someone commit a serious crime against me, I would not wait for over 10 years to report it!
I mean after so many years it becomes so hard to prove if you did or did not do something."
You mean like Americas statue of limitations? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There should never be a time limit, alot of people are scared to report crime, and things have changed massively making it easier now to feel safe reporting it. I know someone who was abused 12 yrs ago and did tell someone but they were disbelieved. However after complaining again last yr the person who abused her has just received 6 yrs in prison and rightly so, as other victims also came forward. Many of these sex offence victims were children and very scared and we should make sure people pay for such vile crimes, if naming and shaming brings forward more victims then so be it.. |
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i don't believe in a time frame to report crimes, many victims of serious crime (particularly sexual abuse) only have the confidence to report later in life.
However, in the same way that the alleged victim can remain anonymous I believe the alleged perpetrator should have anonymity. If they are proven guilty in a fair process then fine but until then it can ruin lives. |
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By *tomComMan
over a year ago
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"i don't believe in a time frame to report crimes, many victims of serious crime (particularly sexual abuse) only have the confidence to report later in life.
However, in the same way that the alleged victim can remain anonymous I believe the alleged perpetrator should have anonymity. If they are proven guilty in a fair process then fine but until then it can ruin lives."
If you take many years in reporting a crime then it becomes harder to prove it.
Also if someone has committed an offense and it is not reported then that offending person is free to offend again. |
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i agree that in an ideal world people would report straight away.
However not everyone does, for various reasons so of course people are free to commit again (unfortunately). How many cases have there been when people have been shown to have a violent/controversial past who have committed serious crimes.
However, particularly in this case why should Bill Roache not have anonymity until something (if anything) is proven? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"i don't believe in a time frame to report crimes, many victims of serious crime (particularly sexual abuse) only have the confidence to report later in life.
However, in the same way that the alleged victim can remain anonymous I believe the alleged perpetrator should have anonymity. If they are proven guilty in a fair process then fine but until then it can ruin lives."
What about when an alleged victim is proved to have made the whole thing up?
Should they retain their anonymity? |
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By *tomComMan
over a year ago
Wellingborough |
"i don't believe in a time frame to report crimes, many victims of serious crime (particularly sexual abuse) only have the confidence to report later in life.
However, in the same way that the alleged victim can remain anonymous I believe the alleged perpetrator should have anonymity. If they are proven guilty in a fair process then fine but until then it can ruin lives.
What about when an alleged victim is proved to have made the whole thing up?
Should they retain their anonymity?"
If the case is dropped, would it be right for the alleged victim's name to be released ? and for the paper's to put a front page news story on stating that the case has been dropped ! |
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there have been cases where people who have made serious allegations that have been proven to be false have been prosecuted and named - quite right in my view.
Allegations like this are so serious they can destroy people.
This is the F speaking and i would say anyone guilty of any sexual assault of any type should be taken to court and made to pay. However, I don't think the system is currently fair in terms of anonymity. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"there have been cases where people who have made serious allegations that have been proven to be false have been prosecuted and named - quite right in my view.
Allegations like this are so serious they can destroy people.
This is the F speaking and i would say anyone guilty of any sexual assault of any type should be taken to court and made to pay. However, I don't think the system is currently fair in terms of anonymity."
Got it in 1 there. |
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"there have been cases where people who have made serious allegations that have been proven to be false have been prosecuted and named - quite right in my view.
Allegations like this are so serious they can destroy people.
This is the F speaking and i would say anyone guilty of any sexual assault of any type should be taken to court and made to pay. However, I don't think the system is currently fair in terms of anonymity.
Got it in 1 there. "
thankyou... it's a subject i feel very strongly about x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Im glad I saw this thread. Its just been brought to my attention that an old friends dad has been convicted of sexually assaulting two sisters in the 70s. I can't believe it, how can something that happened so long ago be proved? |
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By *tomComMan
over a year ago
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"Im glad I saw this thread. Its just been brought to my attention that an old friends dad has been convicted of sexually assaulting two sisters in the 70s. I can't believe it, how can something that happened so long ago be proved?"
Well depends, did he admit to it? Were there witnesses?
Sometimes it just comes down to their word against yours though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I just saw that. It does seem that anyone involved in television or radio from 1960 onwards is fair game.
Someone had to tell the press - whether that is the police or Ken Roach's own PR we don't know."
When all these celeb sex cases started to come to light, Frankie Boyle flippantly suggested that maybe we should just arrest the 1970s.
I am beginning to think he may have had a point  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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If for example if an alleged victim of rape turned out to have made false allegation in my view they should get the same jail sentence as when a bloke is convicted of rape.
Reason i say this is instead of getting slap on wrist it will send out message that this is taken more serious because the damage caused to the falsely accused cannot really fixed.
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By *tomComMan
over a year ago
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"If for example if an alleged victim of rape turned out to have made false allegation in my view they should get the same jail sentence as when a bloke is convicted of rape.
Reason i say this is instead of getting slap on wrist it will send out message that this is taken more serious because the damage caused to the falsely accused cannot really fixed.
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In cases like this, being accused is more damaging than being convicted! How long after an accusation is made until the sick peado jokes come out. It is too easy for an innocent person to be linked to people like Jimmy Savile and Gary Glitter, as well as their crimes ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Im glad I saw this thread. Its just been brought to my attention that an old friends dad has been convicted of sexually assaulting two sisters in the 70s. I can't believe it, how can something that happened so long ago be proved?
Well depends, did he admit to it? Were there witnesses?
Sometimes it just comes down to their word against yours though."
I don't know all the details. Just what I've read on the police website. Hes denied it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In a bid to boost Coronation Street's ratings ITV bosses are going to run a risky story line
It's going to involve Kevin Webster and Ken Barlow running an under sixteen disco in the Rovers.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My main concern with all of these current allegations and arrests is that they probably can't be proven or dis-proven. I have a nasty feeling they won't ever get to court, that means those arrested will always be looked on with suspicion whilst those accusers will never be known.
What happened to the days when people "helped Police with their enquiries" seems that all this fuss and publicity could be avoided if they just kept it informal until they were ready to press charges.
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Seems like a bit of karma to me, I'm sure bill roach appreciates the universe getting him back after his fucking stupid comment about abuse victims. For those that don't know he said that sex abuse victims were suffering due to the sins of their former lives.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If for example if an alleged victim of rape turned out to have made false allegation in my view they should get the same jail sentence as when a bloke is convicted of rape.
Reason i say this is instead of getting slap on wrist it will send out message that this is taken more serious because the damage caused to the falsely accused cannot really fixed.
In cases like this, being accused is more damaging than being convicted! How long after an accusation is made until the sick peado jokes come out. It is too easy for an innocent person to be linked to people like Jimmy Savile and Gary Glitter, as well as their crimes !"
i would be very careful what you write on the internet as Jimmy Saville has not and will never be found guilty of anything, just look at the case of Lord McApine |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i don't believe in a time frame to report crimes, many victims of serious crime (particularly sexual abuse) only have the confidence to report later in life.
However, in the same way that the alleged victim can remain anonymous I believe the alleged perpetrator should have anonymity. If they are proven guilty in a fair process then fine but until then it can ruin lives."
After 35 years for gods sake ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If for example if an alleged victim of rape turned out to have made false allegation in my view they should get the same jail sentence as when a bloke is convicted of rape.
Reason i say this is instead of getting slap on wrist it will send out message that this is taken more serious because the damage caused to the falsely accused cannot really fixed.
You can not libel the dead .
In cases like this, being accused is more damaging than being convicted! How long after an accusation is made until the sick peado jokes come out. It is too easy for an innocent person to be linked to people like Jimmy Savile and Gary Glitter, as well as their crimes !
i would be very careful what you write on the internet as Jimmy Saville has not and will never be found guilty of anything, just look at the case of Lord McApine"
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"i don't believe in a time frame to report crimes, many victims of serious crime (particularly sexual abuse) only have the confidence to report later in life.
However, in the same way that the alleged victim can remain anonymous I believe the alleged perpetrator should have anonymity. If they are proven guilty in a fair process then fine but until then it can ruin lives.
After 35 years for gods sake !"
I believe it is actually 45 years. The woman will be 61 now. |
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"Seems like a bit of karma to me, I'm sure bill roach appreciates the universe getting him back after his fucking stupid comment about abuse victims. For those that don't know he said that sex abuse victims were suffering due to the sins of their former lives.
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If he said that then he deserves all he gets. |
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" there have been cases where people who have made serious allegations that have been proven to be false have been prosecuted and named - quite right in my view.
Allegations like this are so serious they can destroy people.
This is the F speaking and i would say anyone guilty of any sexual assault of any type should be taken to court and made to pay. However, I don't think the system is currently fair in terms of anonymity."
"Seems like a bit of karma to me, I'm sure bill roach appreciates the universe getting him back after his fucking stupid comment about abuse victims. For those that don't know he said that sex abuse victims were suffering due to the sins of their former lives.
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I agree with both of these posts made in the thread. Interestingly in the same interview as quoted above, Roach made an impassioned statement that anyone famous could be accused of something, and while he thought some would be guilty he argued that the accused should remain nameless until charged, he may have even said found guilty. As this was said in a TV interview in New Zealand in March 2013, and now this has come out including him being charged, it does make you wonder if he knew this was heading his way and was simply waiting for the knock on the door. |
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He is in the same social circle as my ex wives mother known him for over 50yrs and I have met him a few times at parties and when out locally!!
The older women who dont really know him fawn all over him, others closer to him very much less so and knew he was a bit of a lothario during his heyday in the 60's before getting married. He was a major celebrity and like today's footballers in manchester there were many groupies wanting to bed him that he took advantage of !!
Now I'm not in any shape or form defending this but many women did target him as someone famous to sleep with, now if this was the case I'm sure he thought most women were fair game!!
So who's to know or not the ages of all the women he slept with during that time? Now the victim is supposed to have been 15 at the time of the alleged offense and also reported it at the time, and this was supposed to have been investigated at the time and nothing happened then, as rape wasn't taken seriously like in today's world and rightly so!!
Until found guilty he's innocent until proven,band it is his word against hers, it needs investigating and rightly so, there will be I'm sure little evidence no DNA etc etc so We will see what happens. This doesn't mean it did or didn't happen and only the two people involved know what really happened in this case!!
The police have to follow this up and do their duty as do the CPS. As the CPS have take. It to court I'm sure they have some evidence of something happening so let's wait before we all hang him!!  |
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By *tomComMan
over a year ago
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"He is in the same social circle as my ex wives mother known him for over 50yrs and I have met him a few times at parties and when out locally!!
The older women who dont really know him fawn all over him, others closer to him very much less so and knew he was a bit of a lothario during his heyday in the 60's before getting married. He was a major celebrity and like today's footballers in manchester there were many groupies wanting to bed him that he took advantage of !!
Now I'm not in any shape or form defending this but many women did target him as someone famous to sleep with, now if this was the case I'm sure he thought most women were fair game!!
So who's to know or not the ages of all the women he slept with during that time? Now the victim is supposed to have been 15 at the time of the alleged offense and also reported it at the time, and this was supposed to have been investigated at the time and nothing happened then, as rape wasn't taken seriously like in today's world and rightly so!!
Until found guilty he's innocent until proven,band it is his word against hers, it needs investigating and rightly so, there will be I'm sure little evidence no DNA etc etc so We will see what happens. This doesn't mean it did or didn't happen and only the two people involved know what really happened in this case!!
The police have to follow this up and do their duty as do the CPS. As the CPS have take. It to court I'm sure they have some evidence of something happening so let's wait before we all hang him!! "
Normally the evidence in this sort of case is based on if there is proof, say by witness statements, photographs or video that the 2 people where in the same place at the same time. This of course does not prove that anything want on, it is just a starting point that is based on facts. It is then for the courts to decided.
Though problem with this story and others like it, is that the accused get a trial by media, not a trial by court. The media can twist and turn the story anyway they like. |
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Many years ago I met 'someone', high profile and under investigation. Somewhere I have a photo that I had taken with him and I can prove the date it was.
All it needs is for me to say I met him and something inapropriate happened. I have the proof of time and date. But nothing happened. But it looks like it can be so simple.
And before anyone says, no I wouldn't |
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"Many years ago I met 'someone', high profile and under investigation. Somewhere I have a photo that I had taken with him and I can prove the date it was.
All it needs is for me to say I met him and something inapropriate happened. I have the proof of time and date. But nothing happened. But it looks like it can be so simple.
And before anyone says, no I wouldn't"
I think why would people do this if not true ? thay put themselfs under the spot light and will be with them all there life , So makes me feel theres somthing and yes some funny people around i know, But even years ago it stay with them feel like yesterday to alot .. and never got it out in the open . |
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My theory is there was always strong evidence in these cases from the time of the offence but by the looks of it these celebs were seen as untouchables in this period of time and the case thrown under the carpet. Now with it seems they are all fair game and all this cases are looked again. And treated fairly.
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