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Petrol, electric or hybrid car?
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By *litterbabe OP Woman 1 week ago
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I'm looking a cars at the moment, and really don't know what the best way to go is.
Im self employed, with business use of only about 5%, so the tax benefits of an electric car don't really make a lot of difference to me with such a low business use.
I feel potentially purchasing an electric car may not be a great idea because it just won't hold its value, as the battery in about 10 years woould need replacing and therefor make the car have a low residual value.
I bought my current car 10 years ago when it was five years old so this is a whole different way of doing things. I'm not even sure whether to look at leases, PCP plans or really what to do.
Any advice is appreciated. Please keep the messages in the thread so whomever can contribute if they would like to.
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By *litterbabe OP Woman 1 week ago
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I have a diesel currently, and it's been great, it is going to be time to change in the next six months or so.
I will consider another diesel though.
Can I ask why you advise a diesel. It's just there's so many choices now since I last looked at buying one, 10 years ago.
I wish I could benefit more from the tax advantages of an electric car.
I don't even have a lot of faith in EVs regardless of anything |
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I would day diesel too, my personal opinion is electric vehicles are not the long term solution, adequate infrastructure is not in place & MY idea of adequate infrastructure never will be, to my mind hydrogen is the long term future, I'll just pick up on one other thing, you suggested that after 10 years the battery in an electric car needs replacing, my understanding is the batteries are designed to last the lifetime of the car & would only need replacing if they developed a fault, manufacturers do point out battery performance drops off over time but not to the point that the vehicle becomes unusable... not my cksim remember... theirs. |
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I currently have a diesel and that van runs really well. But to be objective i think a hybrid makes quite alot of sense. The technology in the hybrids is actually really good and after alot of mileage they stil do hold value. One of the best is a toyota prius which is what most taxi drivers use. Hybrids can give be extremely economical when driven in cities as most of time you cant do more than 30 but then on the long drivws u can put your foot down and just still enjoy driving without it being a gas guzzler. Its quite beneficial on the pocket and there reliable hence why the taxi dtivers use it. Hope that helps |
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We love our electric, it’s very cheap to charge at home. We worked out that what we save in fuel would nearly pay the pcp cost each month, however I wouldn’t buy an electric for the reasons you just mentioned, instead we will swap it in every few years |
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You do know you can salary sacrifice the lease payments of an electric car and get a free installation of a charger on one of the super cheap mans tariffs.
If you pay tax particularly 40 or 45% rate or you have student loans to pay off, then a new EV is pretty much a no brainer
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I also strongly disagree with anyone that says there isn’t the infrastructure for electric cars, using the zap map app, there are always loads of places to charge on whatever route you take, just sometimes needs a little planning beforehand.
However switching to octopus, being put over to their EV rates and charging at home, for us, is 10 times cheaper |
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With electric there second hand valve is shocking, can you charge it at home if you need to? Have you got time to wait for it to charge up. These are all factors to take into account. If you do short journeys is it worth getting a diesel. The amount of cars with dpf faults from short journeys is crazy! Most petrols now are clean running and have good fuel economy. |
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From a practicality point of view, and just my opinion, the infrastructure for electric cars is not there yet. If you use the car mainly for work commuting then fine, but long journeys or driving to remote areas the recharging could become an issue.
Also, the technology is expensive in comparison to petrol / diesel vehicles. So you’re paying more for a start. I also think, if you are going to own the vehicle the depreciation is typically higher than traditional fuel cars.
I know a few people who have had reliability issues with their EV as well, but I also know others with same on their diesel car; so not sure on this part of the equation.
And finally, whilst the tax benefits might be favourable for EV’s now, bear in mind this may change and the gap closes against the other fuel vehicles.
Like I say, just my opinion. |
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"I'm looking a cars at the moment, and really don't know what the best way to go is.
Im self employed, with business use of only about 5%, so the tax benefits of an electric car don't really make a lot of difference to me with such a low business use.
I feel potentially purchasing an electric car may not be a great idea because it just won't hold its value, as the battery in about 10 years woould need replacing and therefor make the car have a low residual value.
I bought my current car 10 years ago when it was five years old so this is a whole different way of doing things. I'm not even sure whether to look at leases, PCP plans or really what to do.
Any advice is appreciated. Please keep the messages in the thread so whomever can contribute if they would like to.
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Real world evidence has actually shown that EV batteries actually last MUCH better than expected with most used EVs still having 80% or more of their original range.
Also, according to the repair & recovery industries, EVs are 60% less likely to break down.
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As a recent owner of an ev. I can advise that over the last few weeks and cold weather, the battery range is affected considerably. Some public charging is very expensive. You pay more x3 for the rapidness of the charge. And as others have said the network in the uk is poor. The cold weather ups the demand and makes the places very busy. And in the summer your aircon drains the battery. Unless you have private charging I would go for a petrol/diesel option. |
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Personally I don't think Ev is ever going to be here to stay it's more of a stop gap as there is no infrastructure in a place for them, also the batteries are just not good enough for real world driving, then there is the cost
If I were you I go Hybrid preferably a petrol version
Personally I would stick with a nice V8 Petrol |
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"Personally I don't think Ev is ever going to be here to stay it's more of a stop gap as there is no infrastructure in a place for them, also the batteries are just not good enough for real world driving, then there is the cost
If I were you I go Hybrid preferably a petrol version
Personally I would stick with a nice V8 Petrol"
Seriously not true with the infrastructure, there are so many charge points if you know where to look. But I would definitely consider a hybrid! |
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What qualities are you looking for in a vehicle?
Low running cost
Low outright purchase
Power on demand
Luxury experience
Etc
Etc
Once you have an idea of these then you can make a personal informed decision. |
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I've got a non-plug-in hybrid and love it. Get diesel-like MPG on some journeys and has the benefit of electric instant torque.
Better in the warmer weather though - I got it in the summer and the electric system was used more. In the colder weather the engine runs more to keep up to temperature and the battery depletes faster. |
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I'm seeing a lot say diesel but it's going to depend on how far you're travelling when you do use it. Diesel fuel usage is great for long journeys but absolutely garbage for short. Electric I believe the infrastructure still isn't there to make proper use of them anyway yet. |
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By *riSiMan 1 week ago
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I rated my Toyota corolla hybrid, super efficient and decent to drive. There's a reason a lot of Uber drivers use them.
2 months ago, I got a plug in BMW. Great for 40 mile range on battery. A bit thirsty when on engine only. I use a 3 pin charger at the moment on Octopus tariff. Good tax savings make up for it. |
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By *scapenwMan 1 week ago
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Totally agree with this
I’ve had an EV on sacrifice for four years.
Just signed this morning to replace it with another.
The charging for long journeys isn’t an issue anymore. You get 300 miles easily and that’s realistically 5 hours. I’m stopping after 5 hours for 30 mins regardless. |
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"Totally agree with this
I’ve had an EV on sacrifice for four years.
Just signed this morning to replace it with another.
The charging for long journeys isn’t an issue anymore. You get 300 miles easily and that’s realistically 5 hours. I’m stopping after 5 hours for 30 mins regardless. "
But useless when you have power cut and get that reg here |
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I've always had petrol cars but wanted to try an EV as my circumstances changed and I most of my driving is now fairly local.
I bought a 3 year old Jaguar I-Pace so the previous owner had taken the hit on depreciation and I got a very nice, low mileage car with all the bells & whistles for a little over 20 grand.
I've had it for about 8 months and spent around £150 charging it in that time. That's home charging, public charging would obviously be more. The saving in petrol costs will have easily covered the cost of the charger installation within a year.
In the summer the car was showing a range of around 260 miles on a full charge. That was with using air con, etc. In the really cold snaps recently that dropped to around 210 miles when using heaters, heated seats, heated steering wheel, heated windscreen, etc.
The car makes perfect sense financially given I'm only doing short journeys. It's lovely to drive and I've had no problems with it at all. However, it doesn't have that engine note when you put your foot down so in that respect it's a bit soulless really.
Would I recommend EV's? Absolutely as long as it makes financial sense to you and that's all you're looking at. However, if you're a bit of a petrol head then an EV is probably not for you. |
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If you're putting it through the business I would suggest leasing an EV from a tax perspective. Depending on how much long distance travel you do just check on the ranges...mine will do 400 easily and if you're on a long run you should stop for a break anyway and it'll charge up to 80% by the time I've had a coffee and cake. |
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"Insurance seems to be higher on EVs for some reason. "
I think it's just because of the much higher cost for equivalent cars.
We had an electric for a few years and for 95% of our driving it was brilliant.
My advice is always based on these things:
Do you regularly do long motorway journeys (more than 75% of the stated range).
Do you have the ability to charge at home easily
How many miles do you do a year
Charging on the go is a bit of a pain, but fine if you only need to top up from 20% to 50-80%. Driving on the motorway eats the battery quickly compared to city driving.
Charging at home is cheap and easy. If you always have to top up away it's expensive and not far off cost of petrol per mile.
The extra cost of an electric car erodes the benefits of the price per mile even if charging at home. That is unless you do lots of shortish trips (say under 150 miles round trip and 8k+ a year) and less if you have solar power at home
If these aren't issues for you then electric is amazing. Otherwise for now you'd be better getting a cheap petrol car
My final advice is I vastly prefer lease to PCP, in fact better than any form of buying a new car really. You can choose your deposit from zero to 12 months and the payments are lower,z some incredible deals on at the moment. 3 years later you can get yourself a new one again or just go and buy a 2nd hand car. Add insurance for wheel trims etc and you can get maintenance, otherwise you need to pay for servicing yourself.
Good luck
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I'm not going to claim to have any real knowledge about cars but when I looked at the amount I drive (to and from work once a week and just here and there the rest of the time) I went with a petrol hybrid car. |
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By *litterbabe OP Woman 1 week ago
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Thank you so much for everybody's perspective, you are all really helpful.
To answer some of the questions, I'm a sole trader so I can't salary sacrifice.
I would be doing around 10,000 miles a year, mostly less than 50 in a day round trip but occasionally somewhat more if I get to visit family around 200 miles away, which I only do about twice a year.
To a fixed place of work I can't claim those as business mileage so my business mileage is very low. Probably only 500 miles a year so I don't see how I can rmbenefit from a tax perspective electric car, although like somebody said those picks tax wise may disappear soon like the free congestion charge, parking and road fund all have.
I do have a driveway so I could put in a home charger.
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If you can get it through a company then EV. The tax treatment is so much better of EV company cars.
As a sole trader you can’t take advantage of that. But it would be worth asking an accountant if it was worth incorporating so that you can do it (and other tax advantages).
For the journeys you’re doing an EV would be fine. I’ve done long journeys and it is not an issue. You need to approach it slightly differently (top up when you can) but stopping for a coffee whilst it charges is all that’s needed.
To be honest I think that you’re going the wrong way about choosing. Don’t ask what type of car should I buy as the answer is it depends. Look at what you can afford and make a short list of options. And then choose between those, which will be an easier, more specific question. If the EVs you can afford are small with a rubbish range then you can cross them off. |
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Generally EV's lose 1% of their charging capacity per year, so a 10 year old battery would give you 90% of the range of a new one. That's not really much of a difference so saying they need replacing after 10 years is not really accurate.
In the long term hydrogen would be a better bet but at present there is not the infrastructure in place to support it. |
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By *litterbabe OP Woman 1 week ago
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Someone said very interestingly, that when no new petrol or diesel cars are allowed to be sold in the UK, in 2030, will it become much more expensive to maintain existing ones, and will the government be doing things to make it more difficult to keep them on the road like extra taxes.
I felt this was an interesting point and wondered what people thought about that? |
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As an ex petrol station owner,the simple answer is diesel,however it won't be too far away that hydrogen is the best form of fuel,but this has its own issues as you shouldn't tax water,so governments won't make a shit load of revenue. |
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"Someone said very interestingly, that when no new petrol or diesel cars are allowed to be sold in the UK, in 2030, will it become much more expensive to maintain existing ones, and will the government be doing things to make it more difficult to keep them on the road like extra taxes.
I felt this was an interesting point and wondered what people thought about that?"
I imagine manufacturers will maintain a high stock of parts for those last cars sold, plus, there’ll still be millions of 2nd hand petrol of diesel cars on the road for years after that. Maybe 10-15 after the ‘ban’, it might start to become an issue. I guess it depends if parts makers and suppliers see any profit in it by then.
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"Someone said very interestingly, that when no new petrol or diesel cars are allowed to be sold in the UK, in 2030, will it become much more expensive to maintain existing ones, and will the government be doing things to make it more difficult to keep them on the road like extra taxes.
I felt this was an interesting point and wondered what people thought about that?"
By 2030 we may have a new party in government who have already stated they will scrap net zero policies and allow petrol and diesel cars to be sold as normal  |
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Personally unless your current vehicle is being very unreliable or simply rusting away I'd be inclined to keep it and run it into the ground. The overall environmental cost will be less, you already own it so no finance to keep up and I think at the moment the car industry is in a state of flux and (abit like the whole beta max/VHS thing for those that remember) id not want to invest on the losing tech.
Which is why I'm keeping my 10y old van
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"Personally unless your current vehicle is being very unreliable or simply rusting away I'd be inclined to keep it and run it into the ground. The overall environmental cost will be less, you already own it so no finance to keep up and I think at the moment the car industry is in a state of flux and (abit like the whole beta max/VHS thing for those that remember) id not want to invest on the losing tech.
Which is why I'm keeping my 10y old van
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That’s my plan too. |
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"Someone said very interestingly, that when no new petrol or diesel cars are allowed to be sold in the UK, in 2030, will it become much more expensive to maintain existing ones, and will the government be doing things to make it more difficult to keep them on the road like extra taxes.
I felt this was an interesting point and wondered what people thought about that?"
Politically that would be a bold move. It only works if most people have moved to a different solution that they are happy with. |
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I'm waiting on my Hybrid being delivered. I went for the salary sacrifice scheme. My current diesel is great but costing a lot to maintain. I can have a charger fitted but the Hybrid will pull the same MPG as my diesel and has the torque boost of the battery. The 24 week lead time sucks dick though. |
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I've had my hybrid for nearly 5 years now.
I absolutely love it.
I think it gives me the best of both worlds:
Electric for short journeys
Diesel for long journeys.
Both to beat the boy racers off the line.  |
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"I also strongly disagree with anyone that says there isn’t the infrastructure for electric cars, using the zap map app, there are always loads of places to charge on whatever route you take, just sometimes needs a little planning beforehand.
However switching to octopus, being put over to their EV rates and charging at home, for us, is 10 times cheaper"
Octopus are so good, so generous too. Some days they pay you for taking power , I’m spending a fraction of what I was this time last year |
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"If you can get it through a company then EV. The tax treatment is so much better of EV company cars.
As a sole trader you can’t take advantage of that. But it would be worth asking an accountant if it was worth incorporating so that you can do it (and other tax advantages).
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Why would you ask an account this. It is always more beneficial to incorporate. You pay way less tax. You get VAT knocked off purchases, assets or protected, you can do much more on business expenses such as VAT free vehicle leases. |
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EV owner here, problems with charging seem to be vastly overstated. I did 500 miles last weekend and I wasn’t even slightly worried about getting around. If you’re mostly charging at home (as you would be with what you said) the fuel savings can be significant. The daily commute is easy unless you get something ancient with terrible range.
My previous car was petrol (after several diesels before that) and if you’re not sure about going electric I’d say a petrol is favourite.
With recent emissions regulations, diesels have a lot of very expensive equipment to make them cleaner and any fuel savings over petrol can be wiped out immediately. Petrol cars are generally simpler and therefore more reliable and cheaper when they’ve slid past need to be fixed.
Hybrids can seem like a halfway house but you have all the complexity, weight and cost with a small saving in fuel.
Mostly though, get something you like. We spend a lot of time and money on these things so an attraction is useful. |
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"If you can get it through a company then EV. The tax treatment is so much better of EV company cars.
As a sole trader you can’t take advantage of that. But it would be worth asking an accountant if it was worth incorporating so that you can do it (and other tax advantages).
Why would you ask an account this. It is always more beneficial to incorporate. You pay way less tax. You get VAT knocked off purchases, assets or protected, you can do much more on business expenses such as VAT free vehicle leases."
You don’t have to be incorporated to be reclaiming VAT (it’s not knocked off, you pay it and reclaim it) |
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By *litterbabe OP Woman 1 week ago
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"If you can get it through a company then EV. The tax treatment is so much better of EV company cars.
As a sole trader you can’t take advantage of that. But it would be worth asking an accountant if it was worth incorporating so that you can do it (and other tax advantages).
Why would you ask an account this. It is always more beneficial to incorporate. You pay way less tax. You get VAT knocked off purchases, assets or protected, you can do much more on business expenses such as VAT free vehicle leases."
Why doesn't everybody incorporate them, there are a lot of sole traders who are not incorporated. |
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If you buy new they will try and get you into Electric as they are required to sell a certain percentage or they get fined. If you plan to change in 3 years then longer term value doesn’t matter as you can go for a PCP where you get a guaranteed future value at the end of the PCP term.
Insurance has also become more in line with similar fuel powered vehicles. Try everything and pick what you like best  |
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So I have a hybrid Hyundai Ioniq, a full tank takes 40 litres & will drive around 550 miles. Before they changed the fuel type, it could do over 600 potentially.
I don't understand the obsession with diesel, which is dirty but also a lot of towns are introducing congestion charges, eg London, Birmingham, Oxford.
I drove a new Tesla from London to Birmingham last year. Electric makes sense if most of your driving is local. If you charge at home electric is cheaper. If you charge at a charging point it's about 40% cheaper than fuel. But much more expensive than home.
In your position I'd buy electric, as most journeys are local. Diesel I guess makes sense if you travel long distance. But if you need to do that, then you can hire a diesel for the rare long drive.
Perhaps a diesel enthusiast can advise why? |
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Good used diesel any day. Lose to much buying new. Electric depreciation is terrible and range/charging is a nightmare. PCP don’t put much deposit down. Put low mileage in agreement and swap 3 years in on a four year agreement with different dealer. PM for more |
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By *ty31Man 1 week ago
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"So I have a hybrid Hyundai Ioniq, a full tank takes 40 litres & will drive around 550 miles. Before they changed the fuel type, it could do over 600 potentially.
I don't understand the obsession with diesel, which is dirty but also a lot of towns are introducing congestion charges, eg London, Birmingham, Oxford.
I drove a new Tesla from London to Birmingham last year. Electric makes sense if most of your driving is local. If you charge at home electric is cheaper. If you charge at a charging point it's about 40% cheaper than fuel. But much more expensive than home.
In your position I'd buy electric, as most journeys are local. Diesel I guess makes sense if you travel long distance. But if you need to do that, then you can hire a diesel for the rare long drive.
Perhaps a diesel enthusiast can advise why?"
Diesel makes sense for me due to high miles I cover and the type of driving I mostly do- it's cheaper to run a large engine diesel than an average petrol engine (mpg wise) plus I find that diesel engines are a bit more reliable (at least in my experience).
A hybrid vehicle doesn't make sense for me as covering distance it would be pretty much running on petrol. A hydrid might be good for someone who does a few miles locally (short commute etc) and very occasionally needs to do a longer drive.
I like the idea of switching to electric (emissions and it's cheaper to charge) but right now I'm put off by a few things- there's not many that I actually like the look of and the ones that I do are prohibetely expensive. Currently I have nowhere at home to charge the thing up (which would be almost daily) and I'm concerned about the longevity of the battery life and the ethics of where the materials were extracted from (there's been allegations of human rights abused at the mines) |
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By *litterbabe OP Woman 1 week ago
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"Good used diesel any day. Lose to much buying new. Electric depreciation is terrible and range/charging is a nightmare. PCP don’t put much deposit down. Put low mileage in agreement and swap 3 years in on a four year agreement with different dealer. PM for more "
How would it work swapping in a year early with a different dealer, and also if I put low mileage in but do higher mileage they'll be quite a big penalty to
pay.
I don't really understand but I'm very keen to know more.
A low deposit is fine but it just makes the payments higher so in the end the effective monthly cost of having the car (before running costs) will still be quite high.
Unders I understand it it makes no difference if it a low deposit as that just increases the monthly payments. |
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By *litterbabe OP Woman 1 week ago
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"So I have a hybrid Hyundai Ioniq, a full tank takes 40 litres & will drive around 550 miles. Before they changed the fuel type, it could do over 600 potentially.
I don't understand the obsession with diesel, which is dirty but also a lot of towns are introducing congestion charges, eg London, Birmingham, Oxford.
I drove a new Tesla from London to Birmingham last year. Electric makes sense if most of your driving is local. If you charge at home electric is cheaper. If you charge at a charging point it's about 40% cheaper than fuel. But much more expensive than home.
In your position I'd buy electric, as most journeys are local. Diesel I guess makes sense if you travel long distance. But if you need to do that, then you can hire a diesel for the rare long drive.
Perhaps a diesel enthusiast can advise why?
Diesel makes sense for me due to high miles I cover and the type of driving I mostly do- it's cheaper to run a large engine diesel than an average petrol engine (mpg wise) plus I find that diesel engines are a bit more reliable (at least in my experience).
A hybrid vehicle doesn't make sense for me as covering distance it would be pretty much running on petrol. A hydrid might be good for someone who does a few miles locally (short commute etc) and very occasionally needs to do a longer drive.
I like the idea of switching to electric (emissions and it's cheaper to charge) but right now I'm put off by a few things- there's not many that I actually like the look of and the ones that I do are prohibetely expensive. Currently I have nowhere at home to charge the thing up (which would be almost daily) and I'm concerned about the longevity of the battery life and the ethics of where the materials were extracted from (there's been allegations of human rights abused at the mines)"
All these are very good points. |
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There’s only a penalty for exceeding you contracted mileage if you run full term and swap with same dealer if you part ex in with another dealer they don’t want to know originally contract or deal it’s just a part ex |
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By *litterbabe OP Woman 1 week ago
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"There’s only a penalty for exceeding you contracted mileage if you run full term and swap with same dealer if you part ex in with another dealer they don’t want to know originally contract or deal it’s just a part ex "
I believe there's a fine for leaving the contract early though? |
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By *abioMan 1 week ago
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I have had the OG hybrid (Toyota Prius) for almost 9 years now.. still getting 50-55 mpg out of it.. but I’ve never been a boy racer and the “engine noise” thing has never been a issue
Love it, would recommend it to anyone
Having said that, I am not gonna lie… I have been looking at switching to an EV (I remember being on the original model 3 waiting list many moons ago when they said even then it was going to be around 25-30k)
Well.. that price never materialised… and the EV price had always been just outside my range
But now… the cheaper EVs are finally coming, was looking at Tesla, waited to seen what the updated model Y was coming out at… now going elsewhere!
So there are two different ways to attack EVs, I could look at getting a 2nd hand business/ex fleet of which there are loads coming onto the market after the first lot of tax write offs finish
Or I could look at a new one…. If I had the money tomorrow I’d get a Kia EV9, since I’m living in the real world the EV3 is a baby EV9, also don’t sleep on Skoda, they do some fantastic EVs….
One last thing about EV’s that should be mentioned, the EV/hybrid road tax rules are changing as of April ! So if whatever you are buying is between year 2 and year 6 AND was more than 40000 at its original pricing… it will cost you an extra 400 pounds per year to get taxed
So on a 2 year old car… that would be an extra 2k in road tax until it gets to year 7 |
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A couple of points worth correcting, electric cars don’t catch fire all the time, petrol / diesel catch fire 20 times more often and that’s taking into account there are more on the road.
Batteries seem to last longer than the car, except for very early Nissan Leafs and their type. The warranty is usually 7 - 8 years and there are plenty of EVs on 150,000+ miles and still going strong. Cars have very sophisticated battery monitoring systems and cooling systems so it’s not like a phone or laptop that loses its capacity after 2 years.
If you’re concerned about the chemicals used in the battery packs, LFP technology is available in some cars which uses zero cobalt. The place that does use a lot of cobalt is the refining process for petrol and diesel.
Whatever power method you look at, it seems like the sweet spot is 2-3 years old and keep for 5+ years. That should get you something which has some warranty left but has done a chunk of its depreciation.
Also worth looking at what servicing costs will be while you own it, by the time it gets to 6 years old there could be some big bills which change the value calculations. I’ve definitely had fuel savings wiped out by an expensive repair.
It’s worth doing the sums to see if a lease or bank loan is cheaper, the difference could be sizeable. |
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All the people saying avoid electric cars usually have no experience with them, I’m on my 3rd and have had no issues at all. I’d never go back to diesel . In 10 years time what ever you buy will have lost most its value. |
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By *elshie_69Man 1 week ago
Mean streets of Heathrow |
I had a petrol ‘64 plate Honda CRV for 4yrs up until May of last year, changed it for a ‘70 plate Honda CRV petrol/hybrid..was getting around 32 MPG in my old one, now getting around 50 MPG in this one..bulletproof engines too.
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"Diesel.
We can travel 500 miles on a tank then fill it a few minutes.
Electric vehicle technology cannot match that. Not yet anyway. "
Unfortunately the best diesels are gone.
They were reliably, uncomplicated and ran just fine on cheap,legal, cooking oil for most of the year. Glad I was lucky enough to enjoy 10 years or so of owning one.
Back on petrol automatic again.
Can't afford the oncost of innovation or inconvenience and, above all, complexity |
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By *vcarolTV/TS 1 week ago
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I’m in the motor trade - fixing the what are very expensive purchases.
Simply list your alternatives. There cost, project that over the period. If you get any tax breaks/ discounts/ returns included that as well .
Ask a dealer for valuation on your possible intended trade in in 2/3/4 years time.
Factor all the costs- including depreciation.
Everyone has different circumstances and values and costs change and have done dramatically over the past 2 years alone.
My best thought on what you’ve said, looking at costs wise will be a small petrol, possibly ex demonstrator, on a simple purchase HP deal.
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Only consider an electric car if you have (or can have) a home charger fitted. In turn, this implies that you have an off road parking space, ideally your own driveway. Public charging costs are about 10x what you can expect to pay compared to a decent home tariff.
With that out of the way, are you looking to buy new or used? How are you funding the purchase? Can you accurately predict the annual mileage that you will do? These are crucial to questions to answer. You’re taking about two things here. The most suitable vehicle and the most effective way to get the vehicle. (Purchase outright, lease, hp, pcp, etc.)
I’d disregard diesel straight away, unless you’re looking at a large van, or commercial type pickup truck, and do very high mileage. The latest diesel engines require adblue, and the DPF fitted means that unless you are doing long journeys every day then diesel is unsuitable for your use.
A hybrid car will comfortably give you over 500 miles to a tank of petrol, which is cheaper than diesel. But without knowing more about your circumstances it’s difficult to say.
Be wary of taking decisions based on the tax policy in place today. They can and do charge at the drop of a hat.
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It depends on how you use the car. Short or long trips. I would stay away from electric and hybrids as you have said resale won't be great. If you do a lot of motorway driving a diesel is definitely for you. If you tend to stay local I would say petrol. I have a hybrid and my previous car was diesel, they are company cars so it made sense for me tax wise but the diesel was way better. |
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EVs only make financial sense at the moment, the government are going to need to replace the revenue that is starting yo be lost due to the increase in EVs, so road tax and electricity will start to rise soon |
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By *abioMan 1 week ago
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"EVs only make financial sense at the moment, the government are going to need to replace the revenue that is starting yo be lost due to the increase in EVs, so road tax and electricity will start to rise soon "
With regards to EVs and hybrids as I said the road tax rules are changing as of April
For cars bought before April 2025
It’s 10 pounds in road tax in yr 1 of a cars life….
Then from year 2 onwards it’s 195 pounds per year
The same applies for cars built after April 2025 with one major exception
However .. if the car is worth more than 40000 pounds at it’s original selling price, then between year 2 and year 6 of that car’s life, it will have an “expensive EV road tax premium” of 410 pounds per year on top of the 195.. so in year 2 to 6 of a 40k plus EV, in effect it would cost £605 per year in road tax
If you keep the car from year 7 it goes back down to 195 pounds per year |
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"EVs only make financial sense at the moment, the government are going to need to replace the revenue that is starting yo be lost due to the increase in EVs, so road tax and electricity will start to rise soon
With regards to EVs and hybrids as I said the road tax rules are changing as of April
For cars bought before April 2025
It’s 10 pounds in road tax in yr 1 of a cars life….
Then from year 2 onwards it’s 195 pounds per year
The same applies for cars built after April 2025 with one major exception
However .. if the car is worth more than 40000 pounds at it’s original selling price, then between year 2 and year 6 of that car’s life, it will have an “expensive EV road tax premium” of 410 pounds per year on top of the 195.. so in year 2 to 6 of a 40k plus EV, in effect it would cost £605 per year in road tax
If you keep the car from year 7 it goes back down to 195 pounds per year "
And as we know that could change any time soon |
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"EVs only make financial sense at the moment, the government are going to need to replace the revenue that is starting yo be lost due to the increase in EVs, so road tax and electricity will start to rise soon
With regards to EVs and hybrids as I said the road tax rules are changing as of April
For cars bought before April 2025
It’s 10 pounds in road tax in yr 1 of a cars life….
Then from year 2 onwards it’s 195 pounds per year
The same applies for cars built after April 2025 with one major exception
However .. if the car is worth more than 40000 pounds at it’s original selling price, then between year 2 and year 6 of that car’s life, it will have an “expensive EV road tax premium” of 410 pounds per year on top of the 195.. so in year 2 to 6 of a 40k plus EV, in effect it would cost £605 per year in road tax
If you keep the car from year 7 it goes back down to 195 pounds per year
And as we know that could change any time soon "
I pay that additional tax element on my current petrol Audi. |
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By *ushym8Man 1 week ago
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The electric infrastructure is just poor, many times I’ve arrived at the services where they have 2 chargers, one not working and a massive queue for the others. Until that improves would never recommend that the only car in the household is electric. If it’s part of a pair of cars in a household then one fossil fuel for long distance type driving and electric for local commute then all good |
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" road tax and electricity will start to rise soon "
And here we have the problem with fuelling transport from a utility. Especially given that we’re being pushed to go electric for heating (heat pumps) and cooking.
Ditch gas, no more standing charge.
But if leccy prices go up because of car usage that’s going to punish the poorest people in society who already struggle to heat their homes.
So it’s more likely that vehicle taxation is increased for all fuel types. That will still leave electric vehicles cheaper to run than ICE and encourage the switch whilst allowing us to keep the lights on. |
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Im very sceptical of electric vehicles...I drive over 15,000 a year a lot of motorway miles so I'm sticking with a Diesel vehicle..I'm currently awaiting delivery on my new SUV,LeaseLoco have some good deals on for business and personal use |
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By *litterbabe OP Woman 6 days ago
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"Thank you for all your comments, so many great pieces of information
Does it make your choice any easier?  "
Yes definitely.
I'm going to try and look at cars that are between 1 and 3 years old so the depreciation has already took the biggest hit, probably going to go for petrol or electric.
Most likely a lease purchase.
I'm not completely sure but that is wheat I'm feeling at the moment.
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"Thank you for all your comments, so many great pieces of information
Does it make your choice any easier?
Yes definitely.
I'm going to try and look at cars that are between 1 and 3 years old so the depreciation has already took the biggest hit, probably going to go for petrol or electric.
Most likely a lease purchase.
I'm not completely sure but that is wheat I'm feeling at the moment.
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You are definitely a gluten for punishment  |
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"Thank you for all your comments, so many great pieces of information
Does it make your choice any easier?
Yes definitely.
I'm going to try and look at cars that are between 1 and 3 years old so the depreciation has already took the biggest hit, probably going to go for petrol or electric.
Most likely a lease purchase.
I'm not completely sure but that is wheat I'm feeling at the moment.
You are definitely a gluten for punishment "
Anyone that thinks using diesel over petrol or electricity is damaging the environment need to learn the science behind it all now if humans could learn to stop volcanic eruptions and utilise nuclear energy in vehicles that would be great maybe then stopping the use of diesel might make the smallest difference until then the planet will do more damage to itself than we ever could stop believing everything the news tells you and actually do the research |
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I drive 2000 miles a week delivering new cars and vehicles coming off lease. You shouldn't even consider buying electric if you travel more than 100 miles on a regular basis or if you don't have the ability to charge at home. If you are going to test drive one, make sure you do so in the winter and have it for at least 2 days. |
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"Totally agree with this
I’ve had an EV on sacrifice for four years.
Just signed this morning to replace it with another.
The charging for long journeys isn’t an issue anymore. You get 300 miles easily and that’s realistically 5 hours. I’m stopping after 5 hours for 30 mins regardless.
But useless when you have power cut and get that reg here"
You do know petrol pumps run on electricity too don’t you? |
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"Totally agree with this
I’ve had an EV on sacrifice for four years.
Just signed this morning to replace it with another.
The charging for long journeys isn’t an issue anymore. You get 300 miles easily and that’s realistically 5 hours. I’m stopping after 5 hours for 30 mins regardless.
But useless when you have power cut and get that reg here
You do know petrol pumps run on electricity too don’t you? "
Sure but can you guess where that electricity comes from? Also you can choose to fill up at any point in a petrol or diesel and it won't make any real difference to your joinery half tank quarter tank running on fumes stop and fill up at anytime but on a journey with an ev you are pretty much forced to charge up at very specific points otherwise all it will do is extend the time that journey takes even more so if you start charging at 50% you would be stopping constantly and thats assuming you don't need to wait 40 mins for a charging point to become available so the only way it makes sense is to run it down I'd rather have freedom of choice anytime than have an inanimate object decide when I need to stop bad enough the distance limitations on a full charge as it is so end of the day unless someone is one of those people who only spends 10/20 mins a day in their car an ev is pointless as for the infrastructure it's only there for the current number of ev's on the road swap every car in the country tomorrow to ev and that infrastructure will collapse so if you look at how long it takes our pathetic goverment to do anything by the time the infrastructure is correct we will all be in the ground pushing up daisy's |
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I've a Mazda CX-30 on a 69 plate. Which is a mild petrol hybrid using a 2 litre engine with around 35k miles.
Good points:
Midlands to London is currently £35 a week in fuel. Averaging 50mpg. As it switches to 2 cylinders, when ambling along and the engine isn't under load.
Bad Points.
Road tax £180.
Acceleration is not wonderful around 120hp. Reasonably cheap to insure. Bought the car with a service plan. Suspension because of the pot holes, I don't think is too wonderful.
Comparisons:
2 year old 4,000 miles Mercedes Diesel. 200hp. £30 per year road tax. (As it had bluetec.) Never out of the repair garage due to issues with front brakes.
Same with a 2 litre diesel Citroen DS4. The nox sensor went kaput at 55k miles, and 3 weeks in a main dealership and £1000 later.
Would never touch anything by Stellantis or German, and will only go for Japanese cars nowadays. As they seem more reliable. |
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"I've a Mazda CX-30 on a 69 plate. Which is a mild petrol hybrid using a 2 litre engine with around 35k miles.
Good points:
Midlands to London is currently £35 a week in fuel. Averaging 50mpg. As it switches to 2 cylinders, when ambling along and the engine isn't under load.
Bad Points.
Road tax £180.
Acceleration is not wonderful around 120hp. Reasonably cheap to insure. Bought the car with a service plan. Suspension because of the pot holes, I don't think is too wonderful.
Comparisons:
2 year old 4,000 miles Mercedes Diesel. 200hp. £30 per year road tax. (As it had bluetec.) Never out of the repair garage due to issues with front brakes.
Same with a 2 litre diesel Citroen DS4. The nox sensor went kaput at 55k miles, and 3 weeks in a main dealership and £1000 later.
Would never touch anything by Stellantis or German, and will only go for Japanese cars nowadays. As they seem more reliable."
Wait wait wait anyone looking for guidance please do the research properly don't listen to me or especially anyone that doesn't seem to know cars not everyone who has a driving licence is a driver for instance a strange list here considering the brakes on a car have nothing to do with whether its a diesel or petrol car therefore irrelevant as for getting a repair done at a main dealer unless the car is under warranty there is absolutely no benefits to that only negatives and lots of them but most of all if someone thinks that the engineering in a mazda is better than Audi or Vw that's someone that doesn't know cars at all although would maybe make sense as to why they would get a repair done at a dealership no offence intended but wouldn't like to think of someone taking that as sound advice it could cost them large sums of money like £1k and or considerable time eg weeks a person in that situation doesn't own a mazda hybrid over a passat or a6 because it's better they own it because they are travelling to London and can't afford to pay or don't want to pay the charges driving a diesel car in London would cost that's why there's more ev's and hybrids in London per capita than anywhere else in the uk |
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In answer to the question though, every diesel car I’ve ever had has had problems, EGRs, DPFs etc, and I drive 15,000 miles a year so it wasn’t down to lack of use. I’d be buying a petrol of a hybrid at this point in time. Miss has a Renault Clio hybrid that’s so economical it makes a diesel pointless. |
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"...If someone thinks that the engineering in a mazda is better than Audi or Vw that's someone that doesn't know cars at all. "
https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/threads/brake-discs-keeps-warping-after-700-to-1000-miles.277191/
Yep because German Engineering is so wonderful?
(There's a difference German engineering and reliability. Reference the invasion of Russia.)
3 times the franchised dealer changed the discs. 4th time I took it to Mercedes and they found out the root cause. After l'd already found out, that the hubs were warped ...and they were about to fit another set of discs.
"...for getting a repair done at a main dealer unless the car is under warranty there is absolutely no benefits to that only negatives and lots of them but most of all."
Having taken it to a diagnostic garage in Brentwood. Who charged £60 and couldn't and wouldn't fix it. The car flagged up that after 900 miles I would not be able to use it. I Think it went into the Citroen dealership with 120 miles left.
I would never normally touch a main dealer because of the cost, as you correctly pointed out. As, Sh1troen wouldn't touch it, unless I paid £144. 20 days later, they were saying it was the adblue tank ffs.
"...in that situation doesn't own a mazda hybrid over a passat or a6 because it's better they own it because they are travelling to London and can't afford to pay or don't want to pay the charges driving a diesel car in London would cost that's why there's more ev's and hybrids in London per capita than anywhere else in the uk"
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E-tron owner here. We absolutely love it.
I can see why if you had long journeys to do every day then electric would not be the way to go, but for us, with short driver most days and the occasional long one it’s perfect.
Unbelievably cheap to run as well. 1000 miles a month and not spent more than £20 on charging.
Not sure we could go back now. |
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By *litterbabe OP Woman 6 days ago
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"Thank you for all your comments, so many great pieces of information
Does it make your choice any easier?
Yes definitely.
I'm going to try and look at cars that are between 1 and 3 years old so the depreciation has already took the biggest hit, probably going to go for petrol or electric.
Most likely a lease purchase.
I'm not completely sure but that is wheat I'm feeling at the moment.
You are definitely a gluten for punishment "
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Work out the total cost of the vehicle over the time you expect to keep it (purchase price, servicing, fuel, mot etc). That will give you a pence per mile cost.
Do you need to carry tools with you or not as that will decide if you need something with a lot of luggage space. That could exclude cars like the Zoe (other small cars are available).
Diesels generally go on forever if you treat them right.
Would an EV last the longest round trip you do? Can you charge it easily?
Do you actually need to change the car now?
I have a diesel 208 - I get 70-80mpg from it, so I fill up once a month in general. |
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I've been driving an EV for three years now, covering 21,000 miles in that time. I've got a charger at home and have not needed the public charging network at all. I'm also still on the original tyres.
I bought one with an official range of 280 miles but last summer it thought I could do 321 on a charge. The lowest I've seen indicated is 255, but this year it's not suggested below 275.
Last year I did two long runs, both in the region of 240 miles and had no issues.
The biggest issue I've had in three years is that the lack of a heat source under the bonnet means when the washer fluid freezes it could be a while before it unfreezes. Somewhat ironically I had to stop at a petrol station to get a bottle of water to clean the windscreen with during the really cold snap in late 2022.
I have adapted my driving style to the EV which certainly helps with range. Using the accelerator gently means the tyres are lasting. The car can spin the front wheels in slightly damp conditions, so it's encouraged me to be gentle.
Also I plan more time for journeys, and try not to go over 60mph as the increased air resistance will decrease your range.
I'm likely to change the car in October or November and I'm not considering going back to petrol or diesel.
Buying an EV generally needs more thought as thinking about the journeys you a likely to make and how they fit the official range is a good idea. There are a lot of offers out there at the moment on finance deals, so even if you take out a three year PCP, you could refinance the balloon payment at the end to keep it longer.
If buying used, ask to see a battery condition report for both the EV traction battery and the traditional 12v battery, the latter can be a weak point on EVs.
Also if buying used go on to the government MOT check website as you can use it to see if there are any recalls pending, even on a two day old car. That's true for any fuel type.
Once you've got a couple of models in mind join some owners forums or Facebook groups to get the experience of real owners. |
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"E-tron owner here. We absolutely love it.
I can see why if you had long journeys to do every day then electric would not be the way to go, but for us, with short driver most days and the occasional long one it’s perfect.
Unbelievably cheap to run as well. 1000 miles a month and not spent more than £20 on charging.
Not sure we could go back now. "
We have an Etron too, home charger and with the Octopus Smart EV tariff, very cheap to run indeed. Maintenance costs are negligible but I echo the poster above who bemoaned how long it takes for the washer bottle to defrost on very cold days, due to the lack of an engine to warm it up. But that's a small issue. |
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By *litterbabe OP Woman 6 days ago
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"I've been driving an EV for three years now, covering 21,000 miles in that time. I've got a charger at home and have not needed the public charging network at all. I'm also still on the original tyres.
I bought one with an official range of 280 miles but last summer it thought I could do 321 on a charge. The lowest I've seen indicated is 255, but this year it's not suggested below 275.
Last year I did two long runs, both in the region of 240 miles and had no issues.
The biggest issue I've had in three years is that the lack of a heat source under the bonnet means when the washer fluid freezes it could be a while before it unfreezes. Somewhat ironically I had to stop at a petrol station to get a bottle of water to clean the windscreen with during the really cold snap in late 2022.
I have adapted my driving style to the EV which certainly helps with range. Using the accelerator gently means the tyres are lasting. The car can spin the front wheels in slightly damp conditions, so it's encouraged me to be gentle.
Also I plan more time for journeys, and try not to go over 60mph as the increased air resistance will decrease your range.
I'm likely to change the car in October or November and I'm not considering going back to petrol or diesel.
Buying an EV generally needs more thought as thinking about the journeys you a likely to make and how they fit the official range is a good idea. There are a lot of offers out there at the moment on finance deals, so even if you take out a three year PCP, you could refinance the balloon payment at the end to keep it longer.
If buying used, ask to see a battery condition report for both the EV traction battery and the traditional 12v battery, the latter can be a weak point on EVs.
Also if buying used go on to the government MOT check website as you can use it to see if there are any recalls pending, even on a two day old car. That's true for any fuel type.
Once you've got a couple of models in mind join some owners forums or Facebook groups to get the experience of real owners."
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By *litterbabe OP Woman 6 days ago
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"I am looking for a car later this year. Due to driving a lot in London, I am looking at an electric as it will be cheaper for the ULEZ."
Anything above a Euro 4 for a petrol and a Euro 6 for a diesel should be fine for the Ulez charge, don't forget that congestion charge will apply from later this year for electric cars just the same as petrol and diesel. |
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"I'm looking a cars at the moment, and really don't know what the best way to go is.
Im self employed, with business use of only about 5%, so the tax benefits of an electric car don't really make a lot of difference to me with such a low business use.
I feel potentially purchasing an electric car may not be a great idea because it just won't hold its value, as the battery in about 10 years woould need replacing and therefor make the car have a low residual value.
I bought my current car 10 years ago when it was five years old so this is a whole different way of doing things. I'm not even sure whether to look at leases, PCP plans or really what to do.
Any advice is appreciated. Please keep the messages in the thread so whomever can contribute if they would like to.
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Talk to your accountant and they’ll advise the best way for you.
If it’s not a true company car you should avoid bik so you’ll run it as your own car and claim business expenses (I think)
If that’s true a good diesel should get the most mpg but make sure you give it a good blast occasionally if you only do local runs to save the dpf (I think) clogging up.
Good luck
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"Please would you expand on why leasing rather than buying an Ev?"
Leasing fixes the costs up front so protects you if depreciation is heavy. On a 2+ year old car, depreciation is generally easier to predict so a bank loan may be cheaper. They’re around 6% whilst leases are closer to 10%. |
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"If it’s 15 years old and low mileage and reliable you could just keep running it until it does start giving you repair bills"
My thoughts too, as I said earlier on in the thread that a possible change of government in the next 4 years and abandonment of net zero policies could turn the whole new and used car market in the UK on its head.
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"Please would you expand on why leasing rather than buying an Ev?"
Frankly garages are avoiding used EVs the residual values are shocking and with the marching on of technology they are akin to a used laptop.
Hence the lease deals on some used make them attractive, but you don't want to own the problems, I know of cars going in for their second or third battery packs in less than 60k..
Been in the motor trade most of my life and I wouldn't 'buy' one. As a company car granted for tax reasons until they're pulled.
Hybrids are fine but you are carrying a hell of a lot of weight around and real mpg figures are not great.
Understandable many will disagree, but that's my feeling. |
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By *eyeYCouple 6 days ago
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"Please would you expand on why leasing rather than buying an Ev?
Leasing fixes the costs up front so protects you if depreciation is heavy. On a 2+ year old car, depreciation is generally easier to predict so a bank loan may be cheaper. They’re around 6% whilst leases are closer to 10%."
I was meaning you can give back when it's obsolete or you are sick of it being in the garage.. |
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"Please would you expand on why leasing rather than buying an Ev?
Frankly garages are avoiding used EVs the residual values are shocking and with the marching on of technology they are akin to a used laptop.
Hence the lease deals on some used make them attractive, but you don't want to own the problems, I know of cars going in for their second or third battery packs in less than 60k..
Been in the motor trade most of my life and I wouldn't 'buy' one. As a company car granted for tax reasons until they're pulled.
Hybrids are fine but you are carrying a hell of a lot of weight around and real mpg figures are not great.
Understandable many will disagree, but that's my feeling."
Globally, only 1.5% of EVs manufactured since 2011 have needed a replacement battery... although this does also include the Chevy and the Hyundai battery recalls, so that figure is a ctually a bit lower. HOWEVER, most EVs are much newer than 2011, so the statistics are skewed by that. Ultimately, it is VERY unlikely that you are going to NEED a new battery on an EV that's less than 10 years old.
In my experience, real world fuel economy is actually really good on hybrids, especially plug-in hybrids. A cheap rate overnight charging can contribure to real world mpg figures of over 80MPG. My father-in-law says it costs him around "80p" for the overnight charge on his Toyota. |
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Diesel if you are regularly driving 100 miles per journey. If not waste of time due to DPF faults as others mentione
Everyone stresses about EV charging. If you only do a 200+ mile journey for holidays etc and rest of time you are just in and around town then my guess is EV is way to go. Or Hybrid.
If you can charge outside your house then I’d go EV if you can’t then go hybrid. |
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"I also strongly disagree with anyone that says there isn’t the infrastructure for electric cars, using the zap map app, there are always loads of places to charge on whatever route you take, just sometimes needs a little planning beforehand.
However switching to octopus, being put over to their EV rates and charging at home, for us, is 10 times cheaper"
These are both absolutely true. (I use OVO charge anytime, which is very similar.) What you didn’t mention is they’re fun to drive and *quick* when you want them to be. And there’s no exhaust smell!
OP, try to ignore all the anti-EV stories you see in the media. Very often they’re essentially funded by the big oil companies, and are highly misleading at best and outright lies at worst.
Instead take a look at the videos from Everything Electric, by Robert Llewelyn (Kryten from Red Dwarf!) and they do a couple of very popular show events every year. Quentin Wilson (ex Top Gear) has a free EV myth busting book on https://www.faircharge.co.uk/ |
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The starting point with EV’s is to ignore most of the nonsense written about them. For example you’re as likely to ever change a battery then you would change an engine. There’s loads of good factual information now available about them.
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Petrol for me. You get stuck in a snowstorm with a decent amount of fuel and you can idle all night, can't in an electric.
Drive to off the beaten path areas, bring a can or two fuels. EV bring a generator and fuel for that.
Let's not fire hazard with EV. There was a new one on fire very close to my house, rural area. The local fire department only had 500 gals of water and no way to get more water. They ended up getting a digger to put buckets on snow on it, no change. It got pushed into the ditch and they dumped loads of sand on it to bury the vehicle and extinguish the fire.
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"The starting point with EV’s is to ignore most of the nonsense written about them. For example you’re as likely to ever change a battery then you would change an engine. There’s loads of good factual information now available about them.
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Changing a complete engine is very rare. There are engines that run for decades with minimal maintenance, oil and filter changes. Even if it does need to be swapped out you can recycle the engine easily. Not so with an EV battery. |
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"EV mining is not environmentally friendly. "
No mining is environmentally friendly. Extracting fossil fuels is extremely environmentally unfriendly, and releases about 30 times more CO2 than mining.
Your claim about not surviving a snow storm is also untrue but I can’t be bothered to find the recent evidence. |
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"EV mining is not environmentally friendly.
No mining is environmentally friendly. Extracting fossil fuels is extremely environmentally unfriendly, and releases about 30 times more CO2 than mining.
Your claim about not surviving a snow storm is also untrue but I can’t be bothered to find the recent evidence."
Most critical minerals are in areas of the world with lax or no environmental regulations and poor labour laws.
If you didn't have those fossil fuels then there would be no mining.
Don't doubt a man that lives in a cold environment and works in an extreme one. I know men that spent 3 days stuck in a fuel and service truck during an Arctic blizzard. Let's not count when our highways get closed due to blizzards. |
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I have always had diesel but changed to electric for my new car. So cheap to run and can get to my parents a couple of hours away and back on a single charge. I do lease and get a new one every three years so don’t need to think about long term or resale.
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"I have a diesel currently, and it's been great, it is going to be time to change in the next six months or so.
I will consider another diesel though.
Can I ask why you advise a diesel. It's just there's so many choices now since I last looked at buying one, 10 years ago.
I wish I could benefit more from the tax advantages of an electric car.
I don't even have a lot of faith in EVs regardless of anything"
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We were sceptical but now we love the EV. Not because of environmental reasons, it's about the smooth ride, charging it for £2.50 at home, and how well they perform on the road.
If you use your car for constant long trips then don't EV. If you use your car every now and then, then don't go for EV. If you use your car every day on short distances, an EV is great.
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"Petrol for me. You get stuck in a snowstorm with a decent amount of fuel and you can idle all night, can't in an electric.
Drive to off the beaten path areas, bring a can or two fuels. EV bring a generator and fuel for that.
Let's not fire hazard with EV. There was a new one on fire very close to my house, rural area. The local fire department only had 500 gals of water and no way to get more water. They ended up getting a digger to put buckets on snow on it, no change. It got pushed into the ditch and they dumped loads of sand on it to bury the vehicle and extinguish the fire.
EV mining is not environmentally friendly. "
From what this poster describes it seems like the EV's battery had gone into thermal runaway
A useful source of information on thermal runaway in lithium ion batteries can be found if you look up -Stache D Training- on Y** T*be |
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